Why is article rewriting so slow and cumbersome when using Spinning software and faster without?

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Why is article rewriting so slow when you do it using spinning software? I tried it with Spinchief but it's so much easier if you do it without software. I find rewriting some PLR much easier and natural just using the text as a basis for ideas.

Using software I tried changed synonyms first, but it just made it more confusing, changing the synonyms even slightly, changes the article to make it sound like nonsense. There is no short cut to making a PLR artcle unique it takes human intervention to make it intelligible.

Has anyone got a good method of making an article unique as quickly as possible using software?
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan2525
    Originally Posted by madison_avenue View Post

    Why is article rewriting so slow when you do it using spinning software? I tried it with Spinchief but it's so much easier if you do it without software. I find rewriting some PLR much easier and natural just using the text as a basis for ideas.

    Using software I tried changed synonyms first, but it just made it more confusing, changing the synonyms even slightly, changes the article to make it sound like nonsense. There is no short cut to making a PLR artcle unique it takes human intervention to make it intelligible.

    Has anyone got a good method of making an article unique as quickly as possible using software?
    Manual re-writes are so much better for you in the long term.

    I used to use spinning tools but I found the same issue as you.

    Now I do a manual spin inside Article Marketing Automation to
    about 130% uniqueness (10 mins work)

    When I want a super high quality unique copy I just press 'Publish'
    again and I get a new copy.

    Hope this helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Coutts
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      • Profile picture of the author celente
        Originally Posted by John Coutts View Post

        You may find this article interesting ...

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        • Profile picture of the author NicheMayhem
          Originally Posted by celente View Post


          "Eventually we will excercise the demons"
          Haha...Ace Ventura


          That is a very good article. Brings up some great points about the long-term effects of spinning articles.

          Spinning sucks and nothing beats investing the time and effort required to have some professional pride in your work. If a reader likes your article and seeks out what else you have to say, that admiration can quickly be taken over by the realization that you are able to say the same thing a hundred different ways. Which typically replaces respect with distaste, at least it does for me.

          As far as the best tool to use when re-writing PLR?

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    • Profile picture of the author primoquest
      My answer: Because writing a high quality article has a lot to do with a combination of many things. Here are just three that come to mind...
      1. Your Thesis: Your Main Idea
      2. General Knowledge of Your Intended Topic.
      3. General Knowledge on How to Write an Article.
      Your Thesis: Your Main Idea
      Before putting any thoughts into words, think about your thesis or the "main idea" of what you are trying to say. This way you are not all over the place, you have a thought-structure on how everything is going to be laid out and most importantly, it helps bring everything into FOCUS. If you need to jot down a few notes to be reminded of ideas, subheads, snippets, then great.

      General knowledge of your intended topic
      In order to write a quality article in a comfortable amount of time, one should know enough about a topic to structure an article on the fly.

      If this is not possible, then take the time to do some modest research on your topic. With all the tools on the net these days, it should only take around 15-30 minutes (or less), which is way less time it takes to do an adequate "spin and edit" job for a good, quality article (at least for me, that is).

      General knowledge on how to write an article
      A well-written article should be just that... If one struggles with writing, I suggest going to a book store or library and finding literature on how to write articles or research papers. follow the basic guidelines and syntax and there shouldn't be a problem.

      If you are still stuck, go to an article website and see how top writers structure their articles. This will give you a good understanding on how everything should be structured. The reason for good structuring is so real people (not just search engines) can have a complete understanding of your thoughts on your intended subject.

      My experiences with article writing (for what it's worth)...
      When I decided I was going to start writing articles a few years ago, I actually had to do some research on how to write articles, because my educational experiences SUCKED when I was growing up. I hated school and couldn't wait to get home and play (some things never change).

      When I want a super, high-quality, unique article, I write the article from scratch.

      I've tried all the spinners, including "the best spinner" and it takes all the fun out of writing for me.

      On the few times that I have tried using spinners, it takes more time editing everything than it takes to write a genuine article from start to finish.

      For me, the quality between spinner and unique content doesn't even come close in comparison. Most of the spinner stuff I've tried is diluted and loses credibility... sometimes it even looks as though someone unfamiliar with the English language has written the article.

      The biggest benefit of writing fresh content from scratch is that everything is unique and Google will love your stuff.

      So, there's my answer to the question of "why article writing with a spinner is so slow and cumbersome".
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      • Profile picture of the author kia123guy
        I have never really tried spinning software, do they even work?
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  • Profile picture of the author Vibes
    never used article spinning software....don't intend to start just yet
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  • Profile picture of the author dadamson
    Hahah nice article ^ !!!

    Yea, if you find rewriting manually easier than automated spinning software (me too) then it is way better anyway as you can be sure that the output is high quality and perfect for human viewers!
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  • Profile picture of the author madison_avenue
    Thanks for the quick replies. Maybe my question was badly stated, I'm not so much interested in the spinning of an article but rather looking to do a fast rewrite. If a spinner can help me do this by having the facility to change synonyms then it's good, but I've tried it and it's cumbersome.

    But is there a tool or a method which you use, to do a fast rewrite of a single article?
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    • Profile picture of the author Colin Y
      Originally Posted by madison_avenue View Post

      But is there a tool or a method which you use, to do a fast rewrite of a single article?
      I personally outsource my article rewriting on oDesk. I receive good quality rewrites for $1-$2 each.
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  • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
    Spinning is only cumbersome to those for whom comprehensibility is of even the faintest consideration.

    Unfortunately, that seldom enters the doped-up consciousness of its most vocal proponents, including many who'll speak out in denial of such accusations.

    Speed and efficiency comes with practise, and this applies as much to writing (or rewriting) as to most other things in life. It applies to spinning too, with practise simply expediting the production of absolute hokum.
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  • Profile picture of the author madison_avenue
    Thanks for the replies.

    Nathan 2525 I'll check that out.

    ChrisDeal - That's a pretty good deal on odesk.

    I've had a look at WordFlood 2.0 as rewriting tool. I know WordFlood 1.2 was free for a while. Has anyone used this for article rewriting? What do you think? Any other similar tools?

    And is Power Article Rewriter no longer available?
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  • Profile picture of the author cjbmeb14
    PLR articles that are freely available are really a waste of time.
    So many people have them and spin them to death and if you use this method it will have a terrible effect on your website promotion.

    It is better to research you topic and just write what comes into your mind.
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    • Profile picture of the author celente
      Originally Posted by cjbmeb14 View Post

      PLR articles that are freely available are really a waste of time.
      So many people have them and spin them to death and if you use this method it will have a terrible effect on your website promotion.

      It is better to research you topic and just write what comes into your mind.
      so what you are saying is people get jibberish, and then spin that jibberish until it is a great pile of the worlds jibberish. Correct. I still do not know why people do this.
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  • Profile picture of the author stuff2
    I have tried some article rewriting for me they take along time.
    there are tons of free plr out there to practice on. I tried spinning some of them take just as long to set up.
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  • Profile picture of the author DanielMilstein
    Originally Posted by madison_avenue View Post

    Why is article rewriting so slow when you do it using spinning software? I tried it with Spinchief but it's so much easier if you do it without software. I find rewriting some PLR much easier and natural just using the text as a basis for ideas.

    Using software I tried changed synonyms first, but it just made it more confusing, changing the synonyms even slightly, changes the article to make it sound like nonsense. There is no short cut to making a PLR artcle unique it takes human intervention to make it intelligible.

    Has anyone got a good method of making an article unique as quickly as possible using software?
    I think there is no other method better than human written and edited versions. You are correct that it is indeed a cumbersome and time taking. But look at the quality of spun articles that pop out whenever you try to search for some good ones, They all are real big disappointments.

    Being a big fan of content marketing, I personally post slow, but when I post. I post fresh self written article only. Tried my hands at Sebastian Kohl's power article re-writer few years back.. But the results were so pathetic that I immediately stopped with them & never went back!
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Article spinning isn't worth jack unless people click on your links.
    Wrong. Article spinning is viable and works VERY WELL as a means to establish context-relevant backlinks, using blog networks and similar.

    Whether someone clicks on the links is utterly irrelevant.

    People keep posting how spinning is a waste of time and worth jack, having NO idea what it really is used for.

    The same applies for article marketing in general. If you still believe you get significant traffic from "classic" article marketing on ezine/goarticles etc..you are hugely mistaken. Here too, i could care less about someone clicking the actual link (this was valid BEFORE panda before article directories were hit hard by Google) - but as a means to establish backlinks it still works.
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  • Profile picture of the author graemecclark
    I HIGHLY recommend spinchimp! It's insanely easy to use and faster than all the other spinners I've tried. It's also a lot cheaper! You can now get an API key and use it with WP Robot.

    I'm going to create a WSO with PLR content and make videos showing you guys how easy it is to use WP Robot, Spinchimp and other IM stuff as well.

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    • Profile picture of the author celente
      Originally Posted by graemecclark View Post

      I HIGHLY recommend spinchimp! It's insanely easy to use and faster than all the other spinners I've tried. It's also a lot cheaper! You can now get an API key and use it with WP Robot.

      I'm going to create a WSO with PLR content and make videos showing you guys how easy it is to use WP Robot, Spinchimp and other IM stuff as well.

      All the best fellow warriors!
      Hey! did you spin an article and use that as your post

      ahhhh, now I get it, ya sneaky one! Good job! :p:p:p
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  • Profile picture of the author UMS
    I'm with you Georg.

    People argue against the strawman version of article spinners and spun articles.

    There are certainly lots of things you wouldn't use spun articles for, but used correctly, they can be highly effective.

    If you were given the choice of having 1 article published on 200 sites with good authority, or the choice of 200 articles published on 200 sites with good authority, which would you choose? (rhetorical question of course)
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    • Profile picture of the author John Coutts
      Originally Posted by UMS View Post

      If you were given the choice of having 1 article published on 200 sites with good authority, or the choice of 200 articles published on 200 sites with good authority, which would you choose? (rhetorical question of course)
      I would prefer 1 article, 1 very high quality article of 1,000 to 1,500 words long, syndicated to 200 authority sites in my niche (not a rhetorical answer).

      I would prefer this because I would choose the 200 sites very carefully for their authority basis and readership numbers. From that one article, which of course would be published and indexed on my own site first, I would receive tens of thousands of visitors, which would result in many signups to my list, which in turn would result in many, many sales of the product I would be promoting.

      That 1 article would take me perhaps, three or four hours, or even a whole day, to write. If each of the 200 sites could send me (and let's keep the figures low here) just 100 visitors each on average, that would be 20,000 visitors to my site from my 1 article. Let's say I can convert those visitors to my signup box at the low rate of 3%, that's 600 signups, and no doubt a few sales too.

      Over time I could send autoresponder messages to those 600 on my list and get many future sales - forever. Then, of course, I'd repeat the exercise all over again, writing a new article, which would take me a day at most to write.

      The alternative scenario that you put forward would require the writing of 200 articles, each one submitted to just one site. That's a LOT of work, and the return on investment would not be worth it.

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      • Profile picture of the author madison_avenue
        Originally Posted by John Coutts View Post

        I would prefer 1 article, 1 very high quality article of 1,000 to 1,500 words long, syndicated to 200 authority sites in my niche (not a rhetorical answer).

        I would prefer this because I would choose the 200 sites very carefully for their authority basis and readership numbers. From that one article, which of course would be published and indexed on my own site first, I would receive tens of thousands of visitors, which would result in many signups to my list, which in turn would result in many, many sales of the product I would be promoting.

        That 1 article would take me perhaps, three or four hours, or even a whole day, to write. If each of the 200 sites could send me (and let's keep the figures low here) just 100 visitors each on average, that would be 20,000 visitors to my site from my 1 article. Let's say I can convert those visitors to my signup box at the low rate of 3%, that's 600 signups, and no doubt a few sales too.

        Over time I could send autoresponder messages to those 600 on my list and get many future sales - forever. Then, of course, I'd repeat the exercise all over again, writing a new article, which would take me a day at most to write.

        The alternative scenario that you put forward would require the writing of 200 articles, each one submitted to just one site. That's a LOT of work, and the return on investment would not be worth it.

        John.
        Hi John,

        You're getting 20,000 visitors from just one article? That's seriously good work! How do you write such a powerful article?

        How do you find the 200 sites to submit too, are they all high ranking article directories?
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        • Profile picture of the author John Coutts
          Originally Posted by madison_avenue View Post

          Hi John,

          You're getting 20,000 visitors from just one article? That's seriously good work! How do you write such a powerful article?

          How do you find the 200 sites to submit too, are they all high ranking article directories?
          In this example I was simply giving possible numbers. However, if you choose authority sites carefully, and if the owner of the site agreed to publish a high quality article of yours, it would be reasonable to expect at least 100 visitors to your site, people who had clicked on your link in your resource box.

          Think of it this way. Suppose each authority site receives 1,000 visitors a day, and most of them read all the new articles the site publishes, then over the course of a few days it would be more than reasonable to assume that 100 visitors or so would click through to your site.

          If this holds true for each of the 200 authority sites, on average, then 200 times 100 equals 20,000 visitors. Of course, the reality might differ from the theory, but you can see that the reality would likely be very good.

          People actually do this and they do extremely well from it too. This is article marketing in its real form, or article syndication marketing is perhaps a better name for the procedure.

          How do you write such a powerful article? Well, that's the skill you need to make this system work, I'm afraid. You either have it or you don't. For a start, you need to write a long article of at least 1,000 words, but probably no more than 1,500 words. Articles of 400 or 500 words won't get syndicated where it really counts.

          Your article has to be interesting and factual, but it needs to be entertaining too. It needs to make the reader think. It can do that by being a bit controversial, perhaps, by putting forward a point of view that not everyone will agree with, but not strongly disagree with either.

          The article can inject a touch of humor too, but not too much, and it can tell a story. People love a good story, and when it helps to illustrate the main point of the article better, it works really well.

          In short, the kind of article that works best for syndication is one that is written mainly for people, and not mainly for the search engines. This kind of article isn't written with a keyword density in mind. It doesn't have LSI words injected into it, but rather, it will have all these things naturally without artificial manipulation.

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    • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
      Originally Posted by UMS View Post

      I'm with you Georg.

      People argue against the strawman version of article spinners and spun articles.

      There are certainly lots of things you wouldn't use spun articles for, but used correctly, they can be highly effective.

      If you were given the choice of having 1 article published on 200 sites with good authority, or the choice of 200 articles published on 200 sites with good authority, which would you choose? (rhetorical question of course)
      I would not use the "average" spun article on ANY site where i expect an audience or even remotely to any site with authority.

      But that being said, it *is* possible to make/spin articles which look very legit and they don't read any worse than any other article. It's just a matter of carefully selecting the right synonyms and sentence alternatives and to see that the article "flows" and makes sense no matter how it is spun.

      As an interesting "experiment"..i am always playing with the thought to make that one "uber spun" article and want to make a whole site based on that one article and try to rank it in Google

      It would be some monster article covering some subject, each sentence with 10 or more variations plus word synonyms...and then from that one article you dynamically spin new content and fill your site with it every time you need new content. I am pretty sure that would work
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  • Profile picture of the author Paperchasing
    Originally Posted by madison_avenue View Post

    Why is article rewriting so slow when you do it using spinning software?
    Because nobody thinks in spintax.
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  • Profile picture of the author solado
    I don’t think article spinning is completely useless - I learned quickly that posting spun content on popular web 2.0 properties doesn't survive long and provides very little value (if any).

    But writing short blog posts from scratch using a spun syntax can work with scrapebox.
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    • Profile picture of the author 123andyt
      I think there are 2 different things under discussion here

      i) The OP originally talked about rewriting a single article using spinning tools. TO me the only way to rewrite a single article is to do it manually sentence by sentence or paragraph by paragraph. There are a few tools that help you do this. Mark Hess released a Wordpress plugin as a WSO a few weeks ago which broke down your post, encouraged you to rewrite each sentence and then put it back together again. I think Content Mania by Incansoft does something similar, but essentially for a single article rewrite I would probably just do it manually every time

      Incidentally I did try WordFlood for a while which is a single article rewriter and found it much quicker to do the whole thing manually

      ii) Spinning to produce multiple articles from a single article is a different kettle of fish (British expression!). So if you want to submit the same article all over the place but worded differently this is where you would use an article spinner. Of course there are arguments (eloquently put forward by John Coutts) against this approach as well but essentially this is(to my mind) where you would use a spinner.
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  • Profile picture of the author primoquest
    Anyone here ever tried writing crap articles (intentionally) so visitors would click away, thus hitting the ads on the page?

    This is the only way I could see posting spun articles that suck.

    So, from what I gather, there is a place and time for spun articles, but NOT on authority sites... makes sense to me.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Coutts
      Originally Posted by primoquest View Post

      ... there is a place and time for spun articles ...
      I can't agree with that. Spun articles have no place with me - ever.

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  • Profile picture of the author AndyBlackSEO
    Originally Posted by madison_avenue View Post

    Why is article rewriting so slow when you do it using spinning software? I tried it with Spinchief but it's so much easier if you do it without software. I find rewriting some PLR much easier and natural just using the text as a basis for ideas.

    Using software I tried changed synonyms first, but it just made it more confusing, changing the synonyms even slightly, changes the article to make it sound like nonsense. There is no short cut to making a PLR artcle unique it takes human intervention to make it intelligible.

    Has anyone got a good method of making an article unique as quickly as possible using software?
    Using spinning software is more for creating multiple articles in my opinion. If I want to rewrite just one article so that it is completely unique in the eyes of the search engines I use my rewriting software. However, this just simplifies the process and requires far less thinking... but you still do the writing yourself.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mindz
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    • Profile picture of the author NicoleBeckett
      Originally Posted by confidencemagnet View Post

      Article spinning isn't worth jack unless people click on your links.
      What are the odds that someone is even going to make it to your links, when you've published something sub-par? Sure, there are people out there who swear that they can use their spinners to create readable content - and it only takes them 3 days to do it! Personally, I'd rather use my brain and spend 20 minutes rewriting an article that actually flows properly, makes sense, and provides valuable information :rolleyes:


      Originally Posted by UMS View Post

      If you were given the choice of having 1 article published on 200 sites with good authority, or the choice of 200 articles published on 200 sites with good authority, which would you choose? (rhetorical question of course)
      With all due respect, which "sites with good authority" are accepting spun articles? Sure, you might be able to get them posted on a few article directories, but then you're only getting PR0, non-relevant links.


      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      But that being said, it *is* possible to make/spin articles which look very legit and they don't read any worse than any other article. It's just a matter of carefully selecting the right synonyms and sentence alternatives and to see that the article "flows" and makes sense no matter how it is spun.
      But how long is that taking you? Why not just skip the brackets and the syntax and rewrite it yourself? It would be so much faster :confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author Asante
    I recently took an ecourse by Jason Fladlien that describes how to write high-quality articles quickly. The course also outlines a way to turn each article into 7 more by structuring the same information to apply to different learning styles. Both techniques are very helpful. The course is called "How to Write an Article in 7 Minutes. Good Luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
      Originally Posted by Asante View Post

      I recently took an ecourse by Jason Fladlien that describes how to write high-quality articles quickly. The course also outlines a way to turn each article into 7 more by structuring the same information to apply to different learning styles. Both techniques are very helpful. The course is called "How to Write an Article in 7 Minutes. Good Luck.
      So, just out of curiosity, what are the names of the other 7 variations of this course that I assume exist, catering to different learning styles?
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  • Profile picture of the author khanma4
    Spun articles are pretty much history, unless if they are ultra unique ( around 70%) or higher. I use my own high quality unique articles, which are 100% unique. Google doesn't like duplicate content and we all know that.
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    Very interesting to read this thread about article writing. Hope this helps me too.
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