Why Size Doesn't Matter!

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Recently I have been pm'd about helping with some list building and a question was asked...

'What size list should I aim for?'

I know this has been talked about here many times before but I thought I would post an answer again, from my point of view.

Having a successful mailing list is all about the RELATIONSHIP you have with the list and nothing to do with the size.

It is a two-way communication and you have to have people on your list that want to hear what you have to say. If they don't want to hear what you have to say then they sure as hell are never going to purchase anything from you!

What this means is that we can dispel myth one of email lists...

You have to try and keep everyone happy.

This is absolute rubbish and is also impossible. You have to know that some people just won't see eye to eye with you and be happy for them to unsubscribe. It doesn't matter because if they don't like what you are saying they aren't going to purchase anything from you anyway.

I am not going to go into a complete listbuilding strategy in this post but I do want to explain a bit further on why it is important to build the relationship and why most people involved in IM still do not do this.

A squeeze page is not just about getting email addresses!

Your squeeze page should be about so much more. You want to provide your new subscribers with what you promised them and then a whole lot more.

This is called offering value. Go above and beyond what you told them you would give them.

If you are giving them a free ebook on SEO then follow this up for the next 8 weeks with an autoresponder that gives extra tips advice and takes them to a more advanced level.

Encourage your list to respond to you, reply to you and get in touch with you.

Care about how much success they have and they will reward you by giving your success.

Do this and you can have an ultra-responsive list.

I recently read a very well-known marketer (who I very much respect) saying he got about 1,600 clickthroughs from a mailing list of 68,000. He considered this to be an excellent response rate and had many colleagues who had much lower responses. This is a 2.35% clickthrough.

My personal opinion is that this sucks!

Here is the results of a recent general mail out that I did to 5543 people.



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As you can see I got 912 clickthroughs at a 16.5% rate this is 652% better than the well known marketer!

Don't forget that this was a general mail out, targeted mail outs achieve clicks well over 20% and often over 30%.

If I had sent this to a list of 68,000 I would have got over 11220, okay probably would have been slightly worse because of scaling but I would be upset at only 1600.

Bottom line take care of and respect your subscribers and they will take care of you.
#matter #size
  • Profile picture of the author FredJones
    You know what, I rarely, rarely email. But afterreading this post I went ahead and checked. So far my CTR as per Aweber has been more than 18% for all broadcast emails (but remember again, I rarely broadcast - plan to scale the broadcast though), and it has rarel been less than 20%, and the highest seems to have been 81%+ (once only), which is almost unbelievably high. I guess, once you start providing valuable content and your customers know what you are doing, it starts sky-rocketing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Michael,
      It doesn't matter because if they don't like what you are saying they aren't going to purchase anything from you anyway.
      I generally agree with pretty much everything you said there, except this one statement.

      I have had subscribers for a loooong time who disagreed with me on almost every editorial issue, but who bought my "how to" products and loved them. Not surprisingly, these are subscribers who know how to disagree in a civil and intelligent fashion, and who appreciate a well-thought out response.

      The way you present your views on controversial issues is as important as taking stands only on topics you feel strongly about and understand well enough to discuss with some clarity.

      Another part of it is not demonizing the honest opposition.


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  • Profile picture of the author JoeDRL
    Thanks for that man,
    I am also thinking your way. That if you have a HUGE list that's not interested in what you have to say, it means nothing.

    It goes back to the old Quality over quantity right

    (Going to review my autoresponders messages...)

    Be happy, be successful,
    ~ JoeDRL
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  • Profile picture of the author Coby
    I'll take both

    If you practice providing value when the list is "small" you will have a much more valuable asset when it "grows up"...

    I get similar open rates and I'm often asked about my subject lines and most find it shocking when I don't really have any "tricks"...

    Most folks fail to realize that the first thing people look at is the FROM name and not the subject...

    So - like the OP says - if you provide value then your list will provide value back
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    • Profile picture of the author michaelwilding
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      I have had subscribers for a loooong time who disagreed with me on almost every editorial issue, but who bought my "how to" products and loved them. Not surprisingly, these are subscribers who know how to disagree in a civil and intelligent fashion, and who appreciate a well-thought out response.
      Paul you are totally right!

      I should have said the people who get decide that they don't like what you say and then get offensive and leave (I am sure you know the sort )
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  • Profile picture of the author sonnywacko
    Originally Posted by michaelwilding View Post

    Recently I have been pm'd about helping with some list building and a question was asked...

    'What size list should I aim for?'

    I know this has been talked about here many times before but I thought I would post an answer again, from my point of view.

    Having a successful mailing list is all about the RELATIONSHIP you have with the list and nothing to do with the size.

    It is a two-way communication and you have to have people on your list that want to hear what you have to say. If they don't want to hear what you have to say then they sure as hell are never going to purchase anything from you!

    What this means is that we can dispel myth one of email lists...

    You have to try and keep everyone happy.

    This is absolute rubbish and is also impossible. You have to know that some people just won't see eye to eye with you and be happy for them to unsubscribe. It doesn't matter because if they don't like what you are saying they aren't going to purchase anything from you anyway.

    I am not going to go into a complete listbuilding strategy in this post but I do want to explain a bit further on why it is important to build the relationship and why most people involved in IM still do not do this.

    A squeeze page is not just about getting email addresses!

    Your squeeze page should be about so much more. You want to provide your new subscribers with what you promised them and then a whole lot more.

    This is called offering value. Go above and beyond what you told them you would give them.

    If you are giving them a free ebook on SEO then follow this up for the next 8 weeks with an autoresponder that gives extra tips advice and takes them to a more advanced level.

    Encourage your list to respond to you, reply to you and get in touch with you.

    Care about how much success they have and they will reward you by giving your success.

    Do this and you can have an ultra-responsive list.

    I recently read a very well-known marketer (who I very much respect) saying he got about 1,600 clickthroughs from a mailing list of 68,000. He considered this to be an excellent response rate and had many colleagues who had much lower responses. This is a 2.35% clickthrough.

    My personal opinion is that this sucks!

    Here is the results of a recent general mail out that I did to 5543 people.



    Uploaded with ImageShack.us

    As you can see I got 912 clickthroughs at a 16.5% rate this is 652% better than the well known marketer!

    Don't forget that this was a general mail out, targeted mail outs achieve clicks well over 20% and often over 30%.

    If I had sent this to a list of 68,000 I would have got over 11220, okay probably would have been slightly worse because of scaling but I would be upset at only 1600.

    Bottom line take care of and respect your subscribers and they will take care of you.
    Michael

    thanks so much for your advice and help

    Sonny
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