I actually never offer a promotion only email, that's just lazy, I agree with you that YES it pisses people off!

Yes, that's a good strategy, another one is to barely offer links so when they do get a link it's like finding a treasure for them. What's beautiful is all the possibilities that we have.

But I do know this, make offers and make them OFTEN! But do so in a cool and value providing way. The EASIEST way to make a sale is to GIVE HIGH QUALITY CONTENT with an offer.

What are some other ideas you have about email marketing that have worked for you?

Derek,When you buy the place from Allen, you can tell people what they can and cannot post in threads. Until then, you may want to reconsider the wisdom of insisting on a decision you are powerless to enforce.


Paul

OK, Mike I'll tell you man, you may not believe this, but if you marketed to your list more than every 3-4 months you would make more money.

Don't believe me?

Send me the list and I'll show ya...

I've worked with several businesses who think just like you do now and they ALWAYS make more money once they start doing what I show them...

I agree about testing when you can. However, if you can consistently send out valuable information and high-level products, it'd be better to get consistent money. Plus, you'll build trust so people are repeat buyers. Sure, a big payday is nice but not everyone will buy from an email from someone they don't remember from months ago. Besides, a better CTR on one email isn't nearly as profitable as a worse CTR on several emails. Sorry if you dislike my opinion - I just can't imagine subscribers trusting someone they only get an email from 3-4 times a year. The only benefit I could see is there's less work on your part.

While I respect your opinion, I make most of my money from repeat customers. You probably have been bombarded with promotional emails from people who have no clue how to do what I'm talking about and for that I'm sorry man...

It's not about being scared of missing business, it's about having the offer readily available to people so that if in this particular email they are really wowed or inspired or the email touched on one of their buying triggers, the offer is there ready for them to grab it. It's all in how you do it, which I'll make a thread on soon.

I agree completely.

You NEVER put "buy now" buttons in front of people on email, you give them an opportunity to get even more if they so desire in a very non salesy way, it's quite easy actually.

I agree Claire that spam is awful. I created this thread to show people that Yes, you can make an offer in each email and it will generate more sales for you, but I'll make a new thread explaining "how" to do it...

Mike, you can still provide value to them and this would increase your sales and open rates my friend.

works great when done correctly!

Paul, I respect you because you have been here FOREVER so thank you for your comment. God bless!

This is a very good idea! You have found a way to turn a perceived "negative" into a "positive" Good stuff!

What I've noticed across the board here is that the "new guys" have a much better attitude than the "old guys" So "new guys" Keep up your good attitudes as life is too short to get all crabby and negative and only comment with negativity on other people's threads. You can comment how you want, but maybe you should "consider" if it's just to vent your frustrations or if it provides value which is what I think Allen would want.

I'm sure he doesn't want this place to be a negative place, but a place where people can feel safe to say what's on their mind or share an idea without getting stomped on by negativity. What are your thoughts?

I'm not sure what you are talking about...

Wow... Really?
I must have read the title of this area of the forum incorrectly? On my computer, it says:

"Main Internet Marketing Discussion Forum"

:rolleyes:




Oh, now I can see where the confusion comes in:

You see, when someone pays for an advertisement thread in the WSO forum, and people discuss completely different matters or try to promote their own methods, it is sometimes referred to as "hijacking" the thread.

But, this is a "free" thread in the discussion forum. So, most people who come here get the crazy idea that we are going to bounce ideas off one another, and try to learn from each other, and this crazy thing happens where people all have different experiences and believe different things.

I hope this clarifies why you had to scroll down so much.




By the way, there are some great WSO's "in there". You should always consider investing in yourself and in your business and take a look from time to time.

Rich, it's definitely a great starting point and continue testing and tracking from there to find the formula that works for you, but you always must test and track as long as you live my brother...

It's all in KNOWING your audience. The traffic source is important as well and should be handled differently, however doing what I am describing has worked well for me in all of the different traffic types I've tried because if you turn the tables and look at it from a consumer perspective, if I join a list I am not stupid, I know they are selling something, however what determines whether I buy or not depends on the quality of the free content for starters...if I am interested in making pies and I join your list, and you send out great tips on pie making every day, even if you have a link to buy something at the end I'm still going to open your emails for the pie making tips and if you strike a cord enough with me I may click your buy link a few times before actually making a buying decision

Yea man, some wso's are better than others. It's really how well you can teach people to implement what you are teaching them. I make almost %100 of my money in other niches than IM so I barely do wso's.

I like other niches because the niche with the MOST serial refunders is "internet marketing" and related niches like "make money" etc... no thanks...That is why you'll see my wso's have a "NO REFUND" policy because when I sell a wso I don't care if 5,000 people buy or 50 buy, I make good money doing what I do in other niches. I would prefer to have 50 solid people who take things seriously and I will spend my time teaching and sharing with them. There are MUCH MORE productive ways for me to spend my time other than being here teaching lessons. That is why you'll see huge gaps of time in my posts.

Ramone you can respond any way your heart desires man and each of your posts are real gems.

Umm... Not sure why you think I'm not calm? (btw I just woke-up from a great sleep.) I have purposely added smileys throughout this thread to show that I'm not upset at all. I apologize if it has been taken that way.

Yes, I did purposely choose to avoid commenting about Mike Filsaime. I didn't have anything positive to add to the conversation and didn't want it to veer off course any further than it already has. :p




Ouch.

Well, it started off with what could have been some good conversation about different email campaign structures. And, it became a good example of how not to start-- and perhaps continue-- a thread?




I most certainly didn't say I don't like his idea, only the way in which he presented it.
And, I'm not trying to say he must follow WF "culture", only the WF rules.

I hope that I am not one of the "cases" which appeared to be "nasty" about it, and if so then I sincerely apologize.




So maybe I'm part of the problem... I'll bow out of the conversation, then.

Johnny whilst I agree in principle with your suggestion, I think this thread needs to stay here as a practical example to all, of how not to conduct yourself on a public forum. So rather than having to interpret the rules or understand expected protocols, new readers can see a worked example of bad practice.

Agree totally with Michael in that it was the semantics of the first post which set the scene.

A lesson for all!

HeySal, you are completely right. I could have worded what I said differently in my original post. What I should have said was although this was my personal experience, it is not a one size fits all. I will be more careful with how I word stuff in the future.

Sal, beautiful - I couldn't have said it better!

Paul

Thank you Claire all I was trying to do was just that, give good information to people who would like to take action on it. It's unfortunate that the people who want to learn have to sift through people singling out parts of things I said to launch an all out assault on it.

I showed my brother this thread and he was like, "Well, once you get through all of the battles, there's actually some usable stuff in there!" I agree. On the forum, because it's public, we will have battles and that's part of the appeal for some. Not me so much, but for some.

I hope you never see me go into someone else's thread and single out one little thing they say and start attacking them for it, I just think it's bad form, and again that's just a personal preference as people can say whatever is on their mind, good or bad and that's cool. But we each can decide what type of person we are going to be on here and I learned how to be a little bit better and more careful.

However I have also learned a few lessons about how and how not to defend myself in this thread. I learned a little better how to "pick my battles" so to speak. What's great about this forum is that there are so many different types of people and we all have a different approach on things, it's very interesting and a great lesson on human behavior to watch it all unfold...

its funny i giggled. but the truth is all it takes is one smart remark one unhappy person and everyone jumps on the bandwagon. i have usually seen this happen when some one offers something freely i don't know why but i have watched an entire business go down from people being disgruntled and acting out.