The Proper Way To Promote Affiliate Products At The Warrior Forum

lgibbon

Banned 16 years ago

So basically it will waste a bit more of our time
to find out they're selling the same old MMM crap.
Pure genius.

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Marhelper

16 years ago

Good point. In the end, isn't it the same thing really? Just a longer route to take to get to the crapola.

Originally Posted by lgibbon

So basically it will waste a bit more of our time
to find out they're selling the same old MMM crap.
Pure genius.

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Steven Wagenheim

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Marhelper

Good point. In the end, isn't it the same thing really? Just a longer route to take to get to the crapola.

You're missing the point. Most of these people will never bother going
through all of this.

Aside from that, in spite of how we may feel about these programs, as long
as they have a legit site in their signature, they are entitled to promote
them, unless we then want to go down another slippery slope and make a
list of all the products that are forbidden to be promoted on your own site.

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lgibbon

Banned 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

You're missing the point.

No you're missing the point Steve.
How many of these people are actually going to make even one
sale competing against the numerous others selling the same crap?
Very few that's for sure.
Once again this is very misleading information.

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stevecl

16 years ago

Originally Posted by lgibbon

No you're missing the point Steve.
How many of these people are actually going to make even one
sale competing against the numerous others selling the same crap?
Very few that's for sure.
Once again this is very misleading information.

I wouldn't say it was misleading information. Steve is just outlining what is required to build an affiliate site and be able to promote it in your Sig without breaking any of the rules. If they follow the steps outlined by steve then it will put them ahead of most that are promoting this crap.

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lgibbon

Banned 16 years ago

Originally Posted by stevecl

If they follow the steps outlined by steve then it will put them ahead of most that are promoting this crap.

How on earth do you work that out?
People will still end up on the same salespage
that they've seen umpteen times before.
All they'll be doing is spending 10 times longer earning nothing.

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JayXtreme

16 years ago

Originally Posted by lgibbon

How on earth do you work that out?
People will still end up on the same salespage
that they've seen umpteen times before.
All they'll be doing is spending 10 times longer earning nothing.

Les,

I don't have a dog in this fight... I'd just like to say this...

YOU promote an autoresponder service in your sig, right?..

The exact same argument you are putting forward could be said of the failure rate with people who pay for that autoresponder and then fail to utilise it for profit.

Perceived Value is different from all perspectives..

The same could be said for ANY of us with sig files...

Remove the MMM that Steve was talking about, and allow for the fact that he was just satisfying his need to voice something today.

The result? = he satisfied his need, hurt nobody, and actually helped a few people realise that they could benefit from their participation here in more ways than one.

Don't take yourself so seriously Les. I have a massive amount of respect for the time you put in at the forum when you are here in helping to keep it clean, so please don't think I am just jumping on the band wagon here. I'm just providing another perspective that you might see

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marcanthony 16 years ago

Originally Posted by lgibbon

this is very misleading information.

I agree with Les on this one...

This is a misleading post... especially for someone new to the forum.

What Steven has outlined--seems to be in compliance with the rules. However, this information... in the wrong hands--can easily be seen as a blueprint to creatively spam the forum.

I see Steven's point though. The system he's laid out is a good one...

But the message can easily be mistaken as an invitation to use more advanced spamming tactics--when promoting affiliate products in your sig.

I believe that Steven's intentions are good...

But nonetheless, the information is misleading...

It's even more misleading to a spammer that's looking for loopholes to exploit
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- Jeremy Kelsall 16 years ago
  
  Marc,
  
  Just about every piece of information that is shared on this forum can be used for "evil"...
  
  Steve said this:
  
  If you want to promote affiliate products in your sig, do it legitimately and even do it in a way where you're likely to actually get something out of it, why not try this?
  
  Nothing about spamming there...
  
  Then he said
  
  1. Get a domain that closely relates to the product that you're selling.
  
  2. Setup hosting for it.
  
  3. Install a Wordpress blog.
  
  4. Sign up with a decent autoresponder service.
  
  Holy crap, Batman! It sounds just like every single ebook that I've ever read! Surely they are all not out to get the warrior forum, right?
  
  The rotten guy then went on to tell people to create a list from the people that visit their LEGITIMATE website! How dare he!
  
  Personally, I think if Steven is going to try to help people start a list and do things the right way he should surely be banned! Rotten no good mofo that he is!
  
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  marcanthony 16 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall
  
  Marc,
  
  Just about every piece of information that is shared on this forum can be used for "evil"...
  
  Hey Jeremy,
  
  Steven's post was A-O.K. with me...
  
  Maybe pointing out that the post could easily be misconstrued was a redundant point for me to make... I can accept that.
  
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Mike Hill

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Doug English

I'm not sure I understand what the complaints against this OP are about.

It's because Steve makes too much money and still finds the time to write posts that make sense instead of others I keep seeing who follow Steve around and write 3 line posts that bash him.

Mike Hill

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lgibbon

Banned 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Hill

It's because Steve makes too much money and still finds the time to write posts that make sense instead of others I keep seeing who follow Steve around and write 3 line posts that bash him.

Mike Hill

That's one more than you managed doing exactly the same thing.

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Steven Wagenheim 16 years ago

For anybody who has a problem with what I've proposed in this thread,
this is directly from the Warrior Forum rules as written by Michael Tracey.

If you want to promote an affiliate program do it on your own domain. Your own web site. Not a "pre-made" web site. Your own web site, a real one. Then put THAT web site in your sig file.

I am just elaborating on what Michael has stated in the rules so that people
who come here who don't have their own products and promote affiliate
products might actually at least provide some value to the visitor experience.

Do I like every affiliate program out there? No.

Do I like MMM? No.

Is it for me to say that somebody can't put up a legit review site to
promote MMM or any other affiliate program?

No...it is not. I truly believe that once we start dictating to people what
programs they can and can't promote that we are walking down a very
dangerous and slippery slope.
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Mike Hill

16 years ago

Originally Posted by lgibbon

That's one more than you managed doing exactly the same thing.

Truth is I'm NOT bashing him and I've seen you pop your head in every post Steve makes and shoot it down faster than _ _ _ _.

Steve's posts actually help a lot of newbies and he provides good info. Don't know what your beef is?

Mike Hill

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lgibbon

Banned 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Hill

Truth is I'm NOT bashing him and I've seen you pop your head in every post Steve makes and shoot it down faster than _ _ _ _.

Steve's posts actually help a lot of newbies and he provides good info. Don't know what your beef is?

Mike Hill

Maybe you ought to check your facts before you start making accusations.
I think you'll find there are many more posts by Steve that I haven't made a comment in, than one's that I have.
So that rules out the "every post" theory.

Whether his posts are helpfull or not is a matter of opinion.
You have yours, and I have mine.
The fact is this is a discussion forum so when someone leaves themself
wide open with inaccurate info they should expect a reaction.

If you don't agree with what I have said then fine, why not explain your reasons instead of reverting to the usual "stalking" accusations.
You're no better than what you're trying to accuse me of.

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webpromotions 16 years ago

Les, with all due respect, Mike does have a point.
I'm fairly new to this forum and even I have seen this.

Also, I still don't understand your problem with Steven's post.
The site in your sig goes to your own blog and has affiliate links.

Isn't that exactly what he was trying to explain to people?
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LegitIncomes

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Hill

It's because Steve makes too much money and still finds the time to write posts that make sense instead of others I keep seeing who follow Steve around and write 3 line posts that bash him.

Mike Hill

I agree 100%. Steven makes some great posts on the forum, and I'm certain they are very helpful to others. There's absolutely no need to bash someone for pointing out how to follow the rules. He was just letting people know how to take the signature file that is not allowed, and turn it into something that is.

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Cynthia A.

16 years ago

Originally Posted by lgibbon

So basically it will waste a bit more of our time
to find out they're selling the same old MMM crap.
Pure genius.

Not surprisingly, "Mack" is one of the top referrers here. Over 100 people in just a couple of months.

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

John,If it's their domain, yes. Allen was specific about that being allowed.

I have reported every person I've spotted lately with an MMM affiliate link or affiliate redirect in their sig file. I've seen a bunch who've got review pages in between, and I did NOT report those, even though that's the only purpose of the entire site.

In the long run, the people who are here just to push MMM, or any other affiliate product, are going to screw up and get bounced, or get tired of being beat up and leave on their own. Or, for a small few, wise up and realize that there's more here than they expected.

Patience sorts them out.

Paul

Paul,

I'm guilty of having a review site, but I actually review & test out the products. They either get a thumbs up or down based on what I find. BTW, you're on my "Good IMers" list.

Cynthia

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Nick Brighton

16 years ago

Originally Posted by capriliz

The Maverick Money Maker guy just asked his affiliates to not post on the WF anymore.

I don't promote the product, but did just receive his request via email.

There - I am sure that will put a stop to it!

Carmen

Shame really. Because I'm just doing an indepth review and I have to tell you, some Warriors could use their time far better applying what is taught inside that program...it's mind blowing stuff, and worth every penny.

Shame that the good program owners feel that they have to shy away from outlets where their target audience hangs out, for no legitimate reason.

I've personally never promoted stuff that I don't run/partnership/own, including said program, but if I did, I'd make sure it was done according to the rules...does anything else need to be said on the matter?

P.S - Steve, I don't know what it is about your posts, but they sure do get some eyeballs my friend...seems like you know which buttons to push (consciously or unconsciously) around here!

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Killer Joe 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Nick Brighton

Shame that the good program owners feel that they have to shy away from outlets where their target audience hangs out, for no legitimate reason.

Nick, you can't be serious? "For no legitimate reason"?

Did you just get back from a long vacation? :confused:

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Paul Myers

16 years ago

Cynthia,

Not surprisingly, "Mack" is one of the top referrers here. Over 100 people in just a couple of months.

I have been wondering right along why that "gentleman" was not relieved of his account months ago.

I'm guilty of having a review site, but I actually review & test out the products. They either get a thumbs up or down based on what I find.

Nothing at all wrong with a genuine review site. I don't see many of them in this business, but that's a different issue.

BTW, you're on my "Good IMers" list.

But is that an unbiased review?

Paul

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lgibbon

Banned 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

I have been wondering right along why that "gentleman" was not relieved of his account months ago.

Paul

His account says he's banned Paul.
If I had to guess why it was left there, I should imagine admins can view his referrals, making it a lot easier to keep track of them all.

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Steven Wagenheim

16 years ago

Because of the turn that this thread has taken, I have a question to ask that
really has me puzzled. Quite honestly, I don't even know how to ask it so I'm
going to try to do it via the use of a hypothetical example. Please bare with
me as this may take a while to explain.

John Doe comes to this forum as a new member. He has no intention of
trying to spam it or game it in any way. He's simply a total newbie and
doesn't know anything about marketing or forums or even that forums
have rules. All he knows is that he was told when coming here by whoever
referred him that he can have a link in his signature.

Well, John Doe doesn't create his own products. He's a new affiliate marketer
and he's just trying to make a few sales selling whatever affiliate product
it is he's selling.

So he puts his affiliate link in his signature.

Okay, a member points out that this is a violation of the forum's TOS.
John Doe asks why and is told the following:

The link in your signature must be to a site YOU own.

That's right out of the forum rules.

Well, John Doe doesn't own a site, but he wants to participate in the
forum and be able to have a signature per the forum rules.

So, John Doe goes out and buys a domain and hosting. He then puts up
some page, maybe a blog, or maybe just a static HTML page and on it he
puts the following:

A header
A brief intro
A pitch for his product.

He puts the link to his site in his signature.

Technically, he is now within the TOS of the forum BUT a member decides
that his site is not quality enough because it's nothing more than a cheap
landing page for his affiliate pitch. So the member reports him and the
other members agree.

So, John Doe then asks, "Okay, then what do I have to have on my site?"

It is at this point in time that I have no idea what to tell this person
because my original post of this thread, IMHO, is what the perfect
affiliate site should be. It has content, an opt in, video, honest reviews
and certainly a site with value.

And yet, it was said that giving this advice was dangerous.

Okay, fine. So then what do we tell these people? Do we tell them that
their site has to have quality content but can only promote products that
you yourself have created? Because that's what it seems like based on
the outcome of this thread.

I mean let's really just cut to the chase here.

Are we saying to people, "Look, if you're an affiliate marketer who doesn't
create his own products, we don't want your site in your signature no
matter how good it is because you have nothing unique to give the
other members."

If that's what it boils down to, fine. I'll obey any laws and rules laid down
by this forum. But I need to know what to tell the next person who comes
here honestly, without the intent of spamming, who just happens to be
an affiliate marketer so that I am not giving him dangerous information.

Please, if somebody can answer this for me, I'd be really grateful because
I am truly stumped by this whole matter. It makes no logical sense to me
not to tell somebody how to put up a site that is within the forum
signature guidelines, which is essentially what I tried to do with my
initial post.

So please help a totally confused member. :confused::confused::confused:

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ExRat

16 years ago

Hi Steven,

Just tell them to slow down a bit, get to know the forum and it's members a bit before trying to sell to them, and to get to know how to put a half decent site together before trying to link to it from here.

If they can't knock out a decent site of their own and write at least a helpful article for it, then they're not likely to be in a position to find someone elses product that is going to interest any of us - so no sales, no point.

As you can see, I'm not quite there yet and need to get to know you all a bit more before I start asking for your money

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Steven Wagenheim

16 years ago

Originally Posted by ExRat

Hi Steven,

Just tell them to slow down a bit, get to know the forum and it's members a bit before trying to sell to them, and to get to know how to put a half decent site together before trying to link to it from here.

As you can see, I'm not quite there yet and need to get to know you all a bit more before I start asking for your money

Roger, in theory I agree with you. But the above answer is still going
to leave the member with more questions.

get to know the forum and it's members a bit before trying to sell to them

For how long? A week, a month, 3 months? There's nothing in the forum
rules that says, "You must be a member here for X number of months
before you can have a forum signature." And then, does this apply to all
members or just members who don't have their own product?

If John Doe was a famous Internet marketer who everybody knew and
just joined this forum, would he be able to have a sig right away? Doesn't
seem fair to me to say yes to him but no to somebody else just because
they're not a known quantity.

put a half decent site together before trying to link to it from here

What's a half decent site? By whose definition? Certainly I felt my
suggestion provided more than a half decent site. Yet it was said to be
dangerous. Are we not supposed to help the person in the process at all?
Is he totally on his own to figure it out?

I'm sorry, I'm still confused. Your answer doesn't help me. Maybe I'm
stupid, fine. I'll take the blame for my stupidity. But if I'm still having a
problem understanding this then I am sure others are as well.

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ExRat

16 years ago

Hi Steven,

Just tell them they will know when they are ready - because their posts will stop disappearing

No, seriously - tell them if they are in any doubt, go and do their affiliate marketing elsewhere and stick their own site with their own products in the sig to avoid any problems.

It's really not hard to answer any question anyone could ask about this. If you don't know what to say, just use the above.

If they're that focussed on selling other peoples' products here, they would do a lot better by reading the posts and learning how to create their own products, or just concentrating on selling on the other 4 trillion websites out there.

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Mike forget it. We're just supposed to let new people to this forum figure
it out on their own and if they don't it's just too bad for them.

What???!! (ducks to avoid flying toys).

You know, it's almost as if whatever anyone says, you were going to get to the 'hissy fit' stage regardless, purely because your OP was changed. You made a big point of stating that certain people were going on your ignore list, so why are you commenting on their posts?

And people wonder why you get grief in threads that you start...

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Steven Wagenheim

16 years ago

Originally Posted by ExRat

Hi Steven,

Just tell them they will know when they are ready - because their posts will stop disappearing

No, seriously - tell them if they are in any doubt, go and do their affiliate marketing elsewhere and stick their own site with their own products in the sig to avoid any problems.

It's really not hard to answer any question anyone could ask about this. If you don't know what to say, just use the above.

If they're that focussed on selling other peoples' products here, they would do a lot better by reading the posts and learning how to create their own products, or just concentrating on selling on the other 4 trillion websites out there.

Edit -

What???!!

Okay, so correct me if I'm wrong, but what you're saying in a very nice
and politically correct way is this.

No matter how nice and fancy your site is and no matter how many bells
and whistles it has (articles, videos, opt ins, whatever) if ultimately your
means of monetization is selling products other than your own, you are
probably wasting your time here.

Is that essentially it?

EDIT - My comment above was sarcasm to Les reply

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ExRat

16 years ago

Hi Steven,

Okay, so correct me if I'm wrong, but what you're saying in a very nice
and politically correct way is this.

No matter how nice and fancy your site is and no matter how many bells
and whistles it has (articles, videos, opt ins, whatever) if ultimately your
means of monetization is selling products other than your own, you are
probably wasting your time here.

Is that essentially it?

There's no point me re-phrasing what I said, as it makes sense left as it was -

If they can't knock out a decent site of their own and write at least a helpful article for it, then they're not likely to be in a position to find someone elses product that is going to interest any of us - so no sales, no point.

What don't you understand about that?

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Steven Wagenheim 16 years ago

Originally Posted by ExRat

Hi Steven,

There's no point me re-phrasing what I said, as it makes sense left as it was -

What don't you understand about that?

Thanks Roger, I get it. I'm dense, but I'm not that dense.

I'm now going to head to my recording studio and spend the rest of the
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KarlWarren

16 years ago

This is hilarious...

been reading this thread on and off since it started.

The rules make if VERY clear, and have done for a long time.

Sig > Your domain > Your site > your content > aff link = ok
Sig > Your domain > Pre-made site > generic content > aff link = not ok
Sig > Your domain > Redirect > aff link = not ok
Sig > Aff link = not ok

It's not difficult at all.

The rest is just common sense... fair enough, something which might not be so common nowadays.

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JayXtreme

16 years ago

Originally Posted by KarlWarren

This is hilarious...

been reading this thread on and off since it started.

The rules make if VERY clear, and have done for a long time.

Sig > Your domain > Your site > your content > aff link = ok
Sig > Your domain > Pre-made site > generic content > aff link = not ok
Sig > Your domain > Redirect > aff link = not ok
Sig > Aff link = not ok

It's not difficult at all.

The rest is just common sense... fair enough, something which might not be so common nowadays.

Ack... c'mon Mr Warren.. now you're just tryin to talk sense, always with the logical explanations aren't you!... sheesh!!

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KarlWarren 16 years ago

Lol, I was going to do a flow chart, but that would have been overkill.

Looks like the wind has changed here in WF temporarily, I hold myself fully responsible for taking some time away while I get my brain back in gear. Normal service will resume shortly, once said brain is discovered (most likely hiding in my belly button)

Until then, the bickering is pretty to watch :p

Originally Posted by JayXtreme

Ack... c'mon Mr Warren.. now you're just tryin to talk sense, always with the logical explanations aren't you!... sheesh!!

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16 years ago

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MikeAmbrosio

16 years ago

Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises

First, you are wrong. I have signed up for several lists through signatures as well as explored a number of great websites, blogs and WSOs. I very much doubt I am the only one.

Second, why do you bother having a signature in here?

Tina G

He's not so much wrong as stating what he thinks. He didn't say no one clicks - just he doubted many do. I have also stated that it's a RARE occasion for me to click on links. And it's also rare I get new signups and customers via my links (of course, it could be my products are crap too, I suppose

)

The second one - who knows? There are people who click (such as yourself

) and others use it simply as a one-way link to their site(s)

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Paul Myers 16 years ago

Before we get on a "Sig File Ban-Wagon," maybe reading this would help: Being a Better Member Moderator.

You want the section starting at the second bolded line.

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Cynthia A.

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Nick Brighton

Shame really. Because I'm just doing an indepth review and I have to tell you, some Warriors could use their time far better applying what is taught inside that program...it's mind blowing stuff, and worth every penny.

I disagree. If for example, there are say 20 videos teaching 20 different strategies in the members area (I know what's inside, I was a paid member) and 8 of those strategies don't work, would you say that the program is worthwhile? I wouldn't. Because the people who follow the 8 strategies that don't work, are going to blame themselves when it's not their fault at all. No one knows which strategies are going to appeal to which people. So how would new members know which strategies work and which strategies don't? Do they throw darts, do they do eeny, meeny, minee, moe? If there are 8 strategies that don't work, why not just eliminate them? If this person ("Mack") really did use these strategies to make his money, wouldn't he know which ones worked and which ones didn't? :confused:

This program is just a lower priced version of one he had out around June or July of last year. The word about that program was that when people tried to implement the strategies shown in the videos, they were unsuccessful. And when they went to "Mack" (who at the time went by a different name), he gave very vague answers that were of no help. It was concluded by the people who were trying to make it work that the reason for the vague answers was because he didn't actually know how to make it work because he'd never really used them himself. I don't have a problem with selling PLR info. I do have a problem though if you say that you used these strategies yourself to make your millions when you didn't. Sadly, there are many marketers who do this same thing.

Originally Posted by Nick Brighton

Ah, I know exactly what's going on now Joe. Here's the deal:

I've been through hours of video content inside MMM (in order to produce an honest, legitimate review)

I believe that one cannot give a fair review of a product without actually using it. That way you can see what works and what doesn't for yourself. You can no more give an honest review of a product that you've never tried, than you could tell someone that chocolate covered rabbit turds are gourmet chocolates. You can't just look at them, you have to try them to know.

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Cynthia, But is that an unbiased review?

Paul

You don't remember me but several years ago we had a long phone conversation before I bought one of your products. I learned a lot in that one conversation. From that point on, I've been a TalkBizNews subscriber & secret fan.

Cynthia

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Administrator 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Okay, so correct me if I'm wrong, but what you're saying in a very nice
and politically correct way is this.

No matter how nice and fancy your site is and no matter how many bells
and whistles it has (articles, videos, opt ins, whatever) if ultimately your
means of monetization is selling products other than your own, you are
probably wasting your time here.

Is that essentially it?

EDIT - My comment above was sarcasm to Les reply

Oh come on. You're taking this to crazy extremes now Steve. I don't give a damn if they sell Mother Teresa's used underwear with an affiliate link from their own domain, as long as it is on their own domain and they don't tell me about it here, along with 100 others telling me about it also.

This is not that hard to understand...

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by admin

I don't give a damn if they sell Mother Teresa's used underwear with an affiliate link from their own domain, as long as it is on their own domain and they don't tell me about it here, along with 100 others telling me about it also.
This is not that hard to understand...

Agree. We want nun of that.

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Nigel Greaves 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Harvey.Segal

Agree. We want nun of that.

Harvey

Hang on Harvey, not so fast. Niche market, mate, niche market!
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Originally Posted by Harvey.Segal

Agree. We want nun of that.

Harvey

Harvey, that pun was calcutta disgraceful.
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16 years ago

Allen,

This is not that hard to understand...

No, it wasn't. But it was fun to watch the list lawyers trying to pin things down. Now you've gone and ruined it... [sniff]

Cynthia,

You don't remember me but several years ago we had a long phone conversation before I bought one of your products. I learned a lot in that one conversation. From that point on, I've been a TalkBizNews subscriber & secret fan.

I'm not placing the name, but I'll bet I'd remember if you gave me a few hints. I think. I'm not as young as I once was...

I'm glad the conversation was useful for you. As far as the "secret" thing... There's no need to be ashamed any more. You can come out of the newsletter closet now. You're among friends.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

I'm glad the conversation was useful for you. As far as the "secret" thing... There's no need to be ashamed any more. You can come out of the newsletter closet now. You're among friends.

Paul

OK Paul, I'm coming out. When I change my email address, you're the only one I notify so I can continue to get TalkBizNews. There...I said it!

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Originally Posted by admin

Mother Teresa's used underwear

Thanks for the awkward visual!
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16 years ago

Originally Posted by admin

Oh come on. You're taking this to crazy extremes now Steve. I don't give a damn if they sell Mother Teresa's used underwear with an affiliate link from their own domain, as long as it is on their own domain and they don't tell me about it here, along with 100 others telling me about it also.

This is not that hard to understand...

Allen,

Referring back to Steven's original post...

Unless I missed something, wasn't the point of his original post to basically tell those who want to promote an affiliate product to create a quality site on their own domain and then refer them to the product?

And then didn't you tell him that THAT was a dangerous thing to be posting?

And then didn't you amend the rules telling members their links had to go to their OWN site and you didn't care what they promoted?

So, then if I got all of that right (which I am not sure because the original post is now gone), then why was there any fuss to begin with? And why was his original post called dangerous?

I am not being snarky - I am genuinely confused about all the hub-bub.

I could care less about all the other posts Steven has made in this thread at this point. Just the first one and why it became such a big deal...

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

Allen,

Referring back to Steven's original post...

Unless I missed something, wasn't the point of his original post to basically tell those who want to promote an affiliate product to create a quality site on their own domain and then refer them to the product?

And then didn't you tell him that THAT was a dangerous thing to be posting?

And then didn't you amend the rules telling members their links had to go to their OWN site and you didn't care what they promoted?

So, then if I got all of that right (which I am not sure because the original post is now gone), then why was there any fuss to begin with? And why was his original post called dangerous?

I am not being snarky - I am genuinely confused about all the hub-bub.

I could care less about all the other posts Steven has made in this thread at this point. Just the first one and why it became such a big deal...

Mike

That's what I thought too. I thought the updated rules CONFIRMED what Steven had written in his original post. So here I am, really confused about all the fuss.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Josh Kulp

That's what I thought too. I thought the updated rules CONFIRMED what Steven had written in his original post. So here I am, really confused about all the fuss.

Mike and Josh

I think the title of the post itself might have been problematic as we're here primarily to discuss and learn, not to promote products.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Martin Luxton

Mike and Josh

I think the title of the post itself might have been problematic as we're here primarily to discuss and learn, not to promote products.

Martin

This thread is starting to make sense again...for a minute there it looked like we had come full circle without any resolution.

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16 years ago

KJ,

The clue was here:

We're trying to keep Sig files valuable, and we do that by each being unique. Going to peoples own domain, or WSO. Not having 1000's of sig's all leading to some popular affiliate program.

It was probably more obvious for people who've been through one of these "assaults" before. The PIPS onslaught was probably the biggest. There was a smaller, much less noticed, one with the release of Traffic Secrets. I'm sure there were others, but I don't recall the programs at the moment.

Ultimately, it's a judgment call. Some people have a problem dealing with anything that can't be reduced to a formula, and it gets annoying to have to argue with forum lawyers after a while. So, you hand them wording, and let them make their own choices on how to interpret it.

Forum lawyers don't like judgment calls. No wiggle room, no loopholes, no appeals, and no recourse to argue their case.

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Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

Allen,

Referring back to Steven's original post...

Unless I missed something, wasn't the point of his original post to basically tell those who want to promote an affiliate product to create a quality site on their own domain and then refer them to the product?

And then didn't you tell him that THAT was a dangerous thing to be posting?

And then didn't you amend the rules telling members their links had to go to their OWN site and you didn't care what they promoted?

So, then if I got all of that right (which I am not sure because the original post is now gone), then why was there any fuss to begin with? And why was his original post called dangerous?

I am not being snarky - I am genuinely confused about all the hub-bub.

I could care less about all the other posts Steven has made in this thread at this point. Just the first one and why it became such a big deal...

Mike

Hi Mike,

Someone mentioned that the rules has been changed recently, like today or yesterday. They haven't. They have been just like they are for at least the last two years.

The difference between the rules and Steve's post was that Steve's post would have led people to create sites specifically for a program such as MMM and then all have sig lines like this:

"Watch this video: Millionaire Tells you Blah Blah"

Or something similar...

Even if they used a free report as a hook...

"Millionaires Reveals All In Free Report"...

To me that's no different that just putting the direct affiliate link in.

It's hard to explain because everyone picks every minor detail apart but there is a big difference. One way ends up with fairly unique sigs with domains that have something on it you might not have seen. The other way ends up with sigs obviously all promoting the same damn affiliate program.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by admin

Hi Mike,

Someone mentioned that the rules has been changed recently, like today or yesterday. They haven't. They have been just like they are for at least the last two years.

I knew it!!!

I was sure nothing changed.. thought I was losin it (already have?)... they were just clarified.

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MikeAmbrosio

16 years ago

Ah, ok. Makes more sense now.

I remember reading the original thread, but I never heard of this MMM, so I didn't make the connection.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Mike

Originally Posted by admin

Hi Mike,

Someone mentioned that the rules has been changed recently, like today or yesterday. They haven't. They have been just like they are for at least the last two years.

The difference between the rules and Steve's post was that Steve's post would have led people to create sites specifically for a program such as MMM and then all have sig lines like this:

"Watch this video: Millionaire Tells you Blah Blah"

Or something similar...

Even if they used a free report as a hook...

"Millionaires Reveals All In Free Report"...

To me that's no different that just putting the direct affiliate link in.

It's hard to explain because everyone picks every minor detail apart but there is a big difference. One way ends up with fairly unique sigs with domains that have something on it you might not have seen. The other way ends up with sigs obviously all promoting the same damn affiliate program.

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Jenni Mac 16 years ago

Okay, I've observed it for weeks and months now, of late it's been pretty difficult to miss and if anyone answers, it will probably get this thread locked or deleted, but...

...what the hell is it between Steven & Leslie? :confused: And why so public & so continual?
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16 years ago

Originally Posted by ExRat

Hi Steven,

Just tell them they will know when they are ready - because their posts will stop disappearing

No, seriously - tell them if they are in any doubt, go and do their affiliate marketing elsewhere and stick their own site with their own products in the sig to avoid any problems.

It's really not hard to answer any question anyone could ask about this. If you don't know what to say, just use the above.

If they're that focussed on selling other peoples' products here, they would do a lot better by reading the posts and learning how to create their own products, or just concentrating on selling on the other 4 trillion websites out there.

Edit -

What???!!

Roger,

You make some excellent suggestions. But let's be honest... even the innocent newbie who comes here and makes a faux paux gets jumped on by a certain element here. Sometimes deservedly, sometimes not.

I see what Steven is doing as trying to help the newbies while making the forum better. And even he got jumped on about his sig file...

Hell, we all get jumped on from time to time. No one is perfect, always right or always wrong. But sometimes we have self-appointed forum cops who have itchy trigger fingers.

Tell me we don't...

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Martin Avis

16 years ago

I've said it before, but I still think the best solution is to stop allowing sigs altogether in the main forum.

It would stop all the fuss and bother - and rampant animosity - at a stroke and would result in people actually posting to help and to seek help.

If a system is being gamed to death, remove the system and let the folks who just want to talk marketing get on with it.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Martin.Avis

I've said it before, but I still think the best solution is to stop allowing sigs altogether in the main forum.

It would stop all the fuss and bother - and rampant animosity - at a stroke and would result in people actually posting to help and to seek help.

If a system is being gamed to death, remove the system and let the folks who just want to talk marketing get on with it.

Martin

I for one would not complain if sig files disappeared. It would stop a lot of the BS threads, and the BS arguments about the BS threads

Truth be known, this is a great forum, but the traffic I get from here pales in comparison to my other traffic sources (as it should).

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ExRat 16 years ago

Hi Mike/Steven,

To make a point, I need to explain something purely from my own selfish point of view. From that point of view, I've got absolutely zero interest in even hearing the opinions of someone who comes here totally focussed on promoting their sig, and who doesn't have the ability or the inclination to either -

a) build a site that is sure to be acceptable to link to

or

b) forego the link in their sig for the time being

Any posts that they make are only going to make it harder for me to find and read the posts that I want to read, from those who either have what it takes, or the desire to develop what it takes, to succeed online. By satisfying A above, in my opinion they prove that they have the basics to be able to make worthwhile comments about online business.

If they don't, they can still participate - but I'm suggesting that it would be wise to forego the sig for a while.

I can't speak for everyone else, but I wish everyone thought along these lines because I'm finding an increasing amount of trash posts, many with awful advice in them, getting in the way of my navigation around the main forum and putting me off from contributing - if I ever correct someone without writing paragraphs of 'kid glove' stuff to protect their fragile egos, I get hung, drawn and quartered by the politically-correct newbie bully prevention squad.

I've got nothing against newbies, but I'd rather only help those who are willing to also help themselves. If they're not, they will surely end up in the 9/10 who go and get a job eventually because they fail in business.

Does anyone feel that this forum would be better if it were 'dumbed down' or with more 'kid gloves' about it than 'tough love'?

I don't.
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Paul Myers

16 years ago

Les,

Ah. Good point. I hadn't thought of that.

Mr Wagenheim,

Are you that unaware of your actions, or is this just a sneaky way to get your article back into the thread? Allen was pretty specific that this was advice he didn't want posted here, yet you feel it appropriate to re-post it?

Great big brass ones.

Sure, you mention that. But if your goal was to get an answer, you know quite well that the people in this thread who are experienced enough to answer the question already saw the original post.

What you tell them is, "It's risky. I wouldn't recommend it."

If they ask for more details, quote them Allen's edit to your OP, and let them make their own decision. Show them a little respect.

You do not have to have final answers for every question.

I defended the original post, and still think it was appropriate prior to Allen's change/clarification of policy.

That said, this business of arguing policy under the guise of watching out for newbies is getting a bit old. They do what we all do: Accept the rules, or go to another board. There's no shortage of them.

Mike forget it. We're just supposed to let new people to this forum figure it out on their own and if they don't it's just too bad for them.

That's utter crap, and you know it. I think your pulpit is getting a little tight around those big brass ones.

There are plenty of people who will help new folks, but we expect them to put in some effort, too. This isn't the kindergarten forum, and you're not Mrs Ketter, always there to hold their hands.

This place isn't that difficult to figure out. It's a discussion forum. The primary purpose is discussion.

If you screw up in any of the normal ways, someone will tell you. If you adjust, they think, "Cool. He's making an effort." If you don't, they think, "Great. Another lamer who wants to rewrite the rules."

The vast majority of people who come in here have no problems at all. The ones who have problems and ask, or listen to advice, quickly lose their problems.

It worked here for almost 10 years before you ever showed up, and it will keep working.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

This isn't the kindergarten forum, and you're not Mrs Ketter, always there to hold their hands.

LOL - and you call ME a smart ass...

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16 years ago

Mike,

LOL - and you call ME a smart ass...

Dewd! You do what you're good at.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Mike,Dewd! You do what you're good at.

Paul

Now if I could just get my wife to accept that notion...

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Mike,

Now if I could just get my wife to accept that notion...

Ooops. Wrong department. Marital counseling is three doors down. This is "Getting hit on the head" lessons.

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Harvey Segal

16 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

I agree about the trash posts from those looking to just get their links out
there I agree it should be dealt with. Which is why I agreed with Martin.
Get rid of them. There is always the WSO forum if you want to sell stuff.
And since they need to be manually approved, it would greatly reduce the crap.

But you still have the problem that you need 30 posts
before running a WSO - which is another reason for the
junk posts.

So my 2nd suggestion - along with my previous about having
to pay to have a sig file - is to abolish that rule.

It is stated that "WSO's are only for members who contribute
to the forum" but it would not worry me as a Warrior if a
new person came in and provided a good WSO. I don't see why
he has to have contributed to the forum.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Harvey.Segal

But you still have the problem that you need 30 posts
before running a WSO - which is another reason for the
junk posts.

So my 2nd suggestion - along with my previous about having
to pay to have a sig file - is to abolish that rule.

It is stated that "WSO's are only for members who contribute
to the forum" but it would not worry me as a Warrior if a
new person came in and provided a good WSO. I don't see why
he has to have contributed to the forum.

Harvey

Good point Harvey. I missed your earlier post about a sig file fee. I like that thought too.

Unfortunately, in a forum of this size, and popularity, I don't think there is a way to STOP all the crap posts, etc. There are too many people out there with selfish intentions - may as well try to change human behavior.

But suggestions from experienced people can go a long way to help clean up much of the trash.

Question is, what does Allen think about the sig file suggestions? I would have to think they were brought up and considered before...

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Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

Good point Harvey. I missed your earlier post about a sig file fee. I like that thought too.

Thank you Mike.

Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

Unfortunately, in a forum of this size, and popularity, I don't think there is a way to STOP all the crap posts, etc.

Well there would be no longer be any point in posting them as

1 - you won't need them to have a WSO.

2 - you won't have a sig file unless you were one of the (relatively) few who
had now paid for it and know that it would be removed if you abused it.

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Martin Luxton 16 years ago

Karl's summary of what is acceptable and what isn't works for me.

On top of that, the Warrior Forum is a long-established community and newcomers have to learn there is no short cut to earning respect here.
Maybe I understood that better than some people when I first came here because I was an army brat and every 2 years I had to join a new school and make new friends so I am very experienced at working out how to become part of a community.

The secret?

Respect for the community and common sense.

If you keep putting your foot in it or do something beyond the pale you are obviously lacking one or both of those qualities.

We have all make mistakes here. The most valuable members have learnt from them, be they newbies or 'old' Warriors, and moved on.

I don't personally feel we should hold people's hands too much. We all need to learn how to take knocks if we are to survive in business.

If anybody really feels we should make newcomers' lives extra easy how about starting the Warrior Kindergarten Forum?

After six months playing around there and 500 lines - oops! I mean 'posts', they can graduate to the Warrior Forum proper.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

Good point Harvey. I missed your earlier post about a sig file fee. I like that thought too.

Unfortunately, in a forum of this size, and popularity, I don't think there is a way to STOP all the crap posts, etc. There are too many people out there with selfish intentions - may as well try to change human behavior.

But suggestions from experienced people can go a long way to help clean up much of the trash.

Question is, what does Allen think about the sig file suggestions? I would have to think they were brought up and considered before...

Mike

Heck, I know some of my posts can be pretty crappy sometimes.

Of course, the intention isn't to promote anything or build post count, but that doesn't mean they all resonate the way I was hoping.

All the best,
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Originally Posted by Harvey.Segal

It is stated that "WSO's are only for members who contribute
to the forum" but it would not worry me as a Warrior if a
new person came in and provided a good WSO. I don't see why
he has to have contributed to the forum.

Harvey

I'm rapidly beginning to feel the same way Harvey. The 30 post thing is causing way too much work.

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Frank Donovan

16 years ago

I was following this thread yesterday up to the point where Allen edited the OP. Foolishly, I expected that would put an end to the matter but I've just returned to find that what I thought would be a five-minute argument has turned into the full half-hour (to pick up on Paul's MP reference

)

Instead of accepting the wisdom of the edit, it seems the OP sought to prolong the thread with feigned ignorance, thus starting a string of hand-wringing posts about sig file reform.

To me, the situation is very simple.

Not that I would presume to take on the mantle of Forum Spokesperson, but if this hypothetical newbie were to ask me for the sort of clarification which apparently prompted this thread, I would probably respond something like:

- Asking the question (effectively) "I'm new here - how do I exploit this place?" is not usually the best way to start.

- The forum rules are written, by and large, at the comprehension level of the average adult human.

- A sig file is not compulsory. Neither is it an enshrined right.

- The main purpose of joining this forum should be to learn from the wealth of experience on display and to contribute when you feel you have something to offer.

- Sig files displayed by experienced members can also be a source of learning for newcomers. This benefit would be diluted if there were a flood of sig files all leading to a virtual landing page for the affiliate product of the month. This, I believe, is what prompted Allen to edit the OP.

And if still in doubt, just ask Roger

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Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

- Sig files displayed by experienced members can also be a source of learning for newcomers. This benefit would be diluted if there were a flood of sig files all leading to a virtual landing page for the affiliate product of the month. This, I believe, is what prompted Allen to edit the OP.

Frank

Bingo. Can't get any clearer than that. Thank You!

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ExRat

16 years ago

Hi Louis,

Steven, it's a shame we don't see more of you around here buddy, but we can understand why.

With respect, can I ask who this 'we' is that you're taking it upon yourself to speak for?

Anyone would think there was a mob following Steven around. You're just perpetuating the same childish myth that Steven has been for so long, purely to create drama and build a following. There's only one person here that could reasonably be accused of 'following' him and posting negatively.

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Steven Wagenheim

16 years ago

Originally Posted by ExRat

Hi Louis,

With respect, can I ask who this 'we' is that you're taking it upon yourself to speak for?

Anyone would think there was a mob following Steven around. You're just perpetuating the same childish myth that Steven has been for so long, purely to create drama and build a following. There's only one person here that could reasonably be accused of 'following' him and posting negatively.

Roger is right Louis.

Look, I was just trying to help people put together an acceptable site.
I was then just trying to understand how to handle people with bad sigs
in the future. I wasn't trying to circumvent anything or cause any
problems. I was just trying to understand something that was making no
sense to me.

If I'm guilty of anything it's being thick skulled.

Anyway, I've gotten my answers, I now know how to handle this in the
future and I won't be bringing this up anymore.

My apologies to the forum for causing yet more problems.

It was not done intentionally.

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Paul Myers

16 years ago

Mr Wagenheim,

It was not done intentionally.

If a pattern continues long enough, intention ceases to matter. Apologies cease to matter. The only thing that matters is the action that makes up the pattern.

For example, saying "I'm going to do X for the rest of the day," and being back here in a matter of a few minutes.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Mr Wagenheim,If a pattern continues long enough, intention ceases to matter. Apologies cease to matter. The only thing that matters is the action that makes up the pattern.

For example, saying "I'm going to do X for the rest of the day," and being back here in a matter of a few minutes.

Paul

Damn it man! OT.. Those are the exact words I was looking for today when I tried to explain to my son why he could not play basketball this year!!

Jeffery 100% :-)

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Jeffery,

Damn it man! OT.. Those are the exact words I was looking for today when I tried to explain to my son why he could not play basketball this year!!

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- ExRat 16 years ago
  
  Hi Paul,
  
  (OT)
  
  Here's a related 'tough-love' parenting story.
  
  On selected occasions when my son was younger, I chose to educate him with some tough love - pointing, laughing and calling him a silly name.
  
  This was usually reserved for when he had already been warned (usually just prior) but in his youthful exuberance he chose to 'know better', and where the consequence was some sort of humiliation and minor pain - like falling over, banging his swede, dropping heavy cutlery onto toes etc.
  
  I remember after quite a few of these, he questioned me about my motives. He asked (while still smarting from whatever accident had befallen him), "Why is it when something bad happens to me, you always find it funny?"
  
  I explained that after I had checked he was generally OK, in the right circumstances, it helped to imprint it in his memory for future benefit and that it was a method that had been proven to have helped me as a young man.
  
  Recently, he decided to confess to me that I had been right all along, it had worked as planned (he learnt way more quickly (in the right circumstance) from minor humiliation) and that one of the greatest things I had ever done for him was to call him a 'duffer' on a regular basis.
  
  Bless...:rolleyes:
  
  PS Now he's a young man, we have tweaked the (now) reciprocal insult lesson phrase from duffer to oaf. There's nothing more gratifying than to see that he is learning the lessons and adopting the ExRat way when he turns the tables and laughs at the big oaf as I'm rolling around frantically rubbing my sore shin/swede/knee/funny bone etc.
  
  PPS Actually, after reflection, I have possibly identified the original incident that may have made him see minor cruelty (at first) in my actions. He was about three or four, and was still using one of those airtight non-spill cups. The big oaf (me) didn't think straight and put fizzy pop in it. When the top inevitably blew off, a fountain of sticky pop went up and every drop seemed to manage to land directly on his head and run down his face - at which point he burst into tears from the shock of the 'explosion'.
  
  It wasn't so much that I laughed, but the fact that I had just been using the camera, rushed to grab it again, got the perfect shot and have continued to pull out the photo on a regular basis when he is around and tell him how funny it was - again.
  
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  Hi Paul,
  
  Ever since you called me a duffer
  
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16 years ago

Originally Posted by ExRat

Hi Louis,

With respect, can I ask who this 'we' is that you're taking it upon yourself to speak for?

Anyone would think there was a mob following Steven around. You're just perpetuating the same childish myth that Steven has been for so long, purely to create drama and build a following. There's only one person here that could reasonably be accused of 'following' him and posting negatively.

I've edited to.. "I".

I'm not perpetuating anything. Just simply saying I understand why he wouldn't want to post as much here anymore.

Stoopid me thinking and typing out loud.

Originally Posted by Steven.W

Roger is right Louis.

Yeah, he usually is. As to be expected with experience.

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Paul Myers 16 years ago

Louis,

Yeah, he usually is. As to be expected with experience.

True. There's also the fact that he did what he's suggesting others do. (Wait. That is experience.)

Never mind.

Roger gives some of the best advice in the place for new folk who want to learn the ropes and get the maximum benefit from the group. Probably THE best advice, from the perspective of maintaining balance.

Paul
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Harvey Segal 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Martin.Avis

I've said it before, but I still think the best solution is to stop allowing sigs altogether in the main forum.

Suppose you had to pay to have a sig file . . . .

And it could be removed if you abused it.

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R Hagel 16 years ago

Originally Posted by ExRat

As you can see, I'm not quite there yet and need to get to know you all a bit more before I start asking for your money

I just knew your 3.5 years and nearly 7000 posts on this forum were all leading up to something. Ooops, looks like you let it slip a little in your post. Too late for you to edit it now that I caught it.

Your plans for world domination are now officially derailed.

And now for something completely different...

Karl put forth a good explanation. And anyone who needs further clarification should get into a yoga position and contemplate the last line in Allen's post about God disliking monotony.

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Banned 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

But I need to know what to tell the next person who comes
here honestly, without the intent of spamming, who just happens to be
an affiliate marketer so that I am not giving him dangerous information.

I'm just wondering why YOU have to tell them anything?
Have you been elected as our spokesperson or something?
I'm sure there are plenty of others that can put them in the picture.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by lgibbon

I'm just wondering why YOU have to tell them anything?
Have you been elected as our spokesperson or something?
I'm sure there are plenty of others that can put them in the picture.

Why can't he? Maybe he wants to be helpful...

And you could ask yourself the same question, couldn't you?

Man, the animosity that oozes around here sometimes.

Just my opinion.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

Why can't he? Maybe he wants to be helpful...

And you could ask yourself the same question, couldn't you?

Man, the animosity that oozes around here sometimes.

Just my opinion.

Mike forget it. We're just supposed to let new people to this forum figure
it out on their own and if they don't it's just too bad for them.

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Martin Avis

16 years ago

It seems that Allen has added a new clause to the forum rules sticky:

Edit: Due to certain people trying to find a loophole I needed to add yet another edit. Please do not try to get around these rules by getting your own domain name and simply redirecting it to an affiliate program. You Will Be Removed From Here When Caught.

If you want to promote an affiliate program do it on your own domain. Your own web site. Not a "pre-made" web site. Your own web site, a real one. Then put THAT web site in your sig file.

A simple way to stay within this rule is this: Promote Your Own Real Web Site And Do Not Listen To Anyone Who Tells You To Come Here Just To Promote A Site They Created For You.

Not wishing to stir things up even more, but isn't that what the OP was saying in the first place - before his post was removed for promoting dangerous practices?

I've never put an affiliate link in my sig at all, but I can see why the question is causing confusion.

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Administrator 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Technically, he is now within the TOS of the forum BUT a member decides
that his site is not quality enough because it's nothing more than a cheap
landing page for his affiliate pitch. So the member reports him and the
other members agree.
:confused::confused::confused:

No member has any right to tell him anything about his own domain. If it is his own domain and not just used as a redirect he is within the rules.

Some of you are making this harder than it needs to be.

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sahi

16 years ago

Good post Steven, but I wonder how many would follow it!! Some people just love to break rules, and some just mistakenly break them.

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Amitywill

16 years ago

I agree with lgibbon.

Now instead of simply seeing that they are promoting maverick money makers or whatever.. you have to go to their site to see their fake review about maverick money makers. This won't eliminate 1 line posters at all and will just make it harder to get rid of them because then they have the excuse of "but it's not an affiliate link"

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Amitywill

I agree with lgibbon.

Now instead of simply seeing that they are promoting maverick money makers or whatever.. you have to go to their site to see their fake review about maverick money makers. This won't eliminate 1 line posters at all and will just make it harder to get rid of them because then they have the excuse of "but it's not an affiliate link"

Will

You certainly bring up a good point and let's face it, people who are
determined to game the system are going to game it.

However, how many people are going to go through all this trouble? It
will certainly cut down on the number of spammers.

The alternative is to expressly forbid any site in sigs that is not for
selling your own product.

And I'm not sure that's a slope we want to go down. Not everybody is
a product creator and certainly those who are affiliate marketers should
be allowed to have signatures if they have a legit site.

This thread was simply to show how to create such a legit site.

If one is determined to game the system, that is beyond the scope of
the message I am trying to get across.

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George Wright

16 years ago

Hi Steven,

You are right of course, however, my first thought on this matter is when they just come here and do it wrong it's easier to zap them. IMHO

George Wright

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

You certainly bring up a good point and let's face it, people who are
determined to game the system are going to game it.

However, how many people are going to go through all this trouble? It
will certainly cut down on the number of spammers.

The alternative is to expressly forbid any site in sigs that is not for
selling your own product.

And I'm not sure that's a slope we want to go down. Not everybody is
a product creator and certainly those who are affiliate marketers should
be allowed to have signatures if they have a legit site.

This thread was simply to show how to create such a legit site.

If one is determined to game the system, that is beyond the scope of
the message I am trying to get across.

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Gunter Eibl 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

The alternative is to expressly forbid any site in sigs that is not for
selling your own product.

I personally think that's a good way. I don't see any benefit for the members when the sig is full of affiliate links or links to MFA sites. There are enough other ways to build backlinks and traffic to such sites, don't have to misuse this forum for that.

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16 years ago

Hi Steve,

Good points.

I have asked this several times, with no response. I have seen numerous sig sites that are affiliate review pages. All that is there is the review of the product or service and a link at the bottom to go to the vendors site.

Is this permitted?

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16 years ago

John,

I have asked this several times, with no response. I have seen numerous sig sites that are affiliate review pages. All that is there is the review of the product or service and a link at the bottom to go to the vendors site.

Is this permitted?

If it's their domain, yes. Allen was specific about that being allowed.

I have reported every person I've spotted lately with an MMM affiliate link or affiliate redirect in their sig file. I've seen a bunch who've got review pages in between, and I did NOT report those, even though that's the only purpose of the entire site.

In the long run, the people who are here just to push MMM, or any other affiliate product, are going to screw up and get bounced, or get tired of being beat up and leave on their own. Or, for a small few, wise up and realize that there's more here than they expected.

Patience sorts them out.

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16 years ago

Les,

No you're missing the point Steve.
How many of these people are actually going to make even one
sale competing against the numerous others selling the same crap?
Very few that's for sure.
Once again this is very misleading information.

Not this time. If you take your focus off of MMM, and read the post with the open field of affiliate products as the topic, your objections become invalid.

Yes, the MMMers are almost certainly wasting their time here, no matter how they promote the thing. No argument from me on that. But that post covers a whole lot of other possibilities. And, if someone takes the time to use that advice, they've created an asset for their business which can be used elsewhere and in other ways.

They'll also learn the process, which has real value even if they never make a sale from it.

I'm not even a little bit happy with Mr Wagenheim. I'm also not happy with people saying something is misleading when it's not.

Now, you may disagree with the advice as a business practice, for any number of reasons. That's fair. But that doesn't change the fact that it accomplished what the thread title and the body content says it will do: Gives anyone who wants to promote affiliate products using their signature file here a way to do it that's within the rules and has at least a chance to actually work.

Product delivers promise: Not misleading.

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Banned 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Les,Not this time. If you take your focus off of MMM, and read the post with the open field of affiliate products as the topic, your objections become invalid.

Yes, the MMMers are almost certainly wasting their time here, no matter how they promote the thing. No argument from me on that. But that post covers a whole lot of other possibilities. And, if someone takes the time to use that advice, they've created an asset for their business which can be used elsewhere and in other ways.

They'll also learn the process, which has real value even if they never make a sale from it.

I'm not even a little bit happy with Mr Wagenheim. I'm also not happy with people saying something is misleading when it's not.

Now, you may disagree with the advice as a business practice, for any number of reasons. That's fair. But that doesn't change the fact that it accomplished what the thread title and the body content says it will do: Gives anyone who wants to promote affiliate products using their signature file here a way to do it that's within the rules and has at least a chance to actually work.

Product delivers promise: Not misleading.

Paul

That's a fair comment Paul.
But I think this post was directed at the MMM brigade,
that's why he specifically mentioned them.
I'll have to PM you my reasons for thinking this.

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Misery loves company.....thats all I gotta say
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stefanjames

16 years ago

I think the complaint was not to blatantly promote any affiliate product in your sig file if you don't have something like a review site or blog. I promote many products and MMM is one of them. People were coming to Warrior just posting to the sig which was against Warrior rules I take it.

So if I'm not mistaken the correct way to do this is to create a review, blog, videos on your own hosted site.

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16 years ago

Hi, I enjoyed that post. I'm not new to forums, I have made those mistakes in the past, but now I know the rules. I think these comments are useful because it helps new people understand why certain things aren't allowed. Great thread.

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ildarius

16 years ago

Good post, it will most certainly filter out a lot of direct affiliate linkers.

Honestly I'm yet to see an ebook on IM that had 0 value and didn't turn out to be useful in one way or another. A fake review doesn't indicate a fake product.

Voting to make this a sticky

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16 years ago

Well done Steven. I'm new to this site and like most people here, I'm not independently wealthy, therefore I would like to make mutually beneficial contacts in a manner that does not violate accepted cannons of ethics.

I thought so much of your post, I downloaded it and it will be my guide for proper site etiquette here and with proper attributation may I use it verbatum as a guide on a couple of other forums where I am a member that would greatly benefit from your sage advice.

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16 years ago

Les,

Chill out. People have the option to choose whether to click on a sig file or not. If they do click and like the information being provided they may take action. If they don't like what they see they move on...simple...

Steve is just showing people how to do things the correct way, IE providing visitors information they may want. The visitor will then decide whether they clickthrough to the salespage.

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mfleisch

16 years ago

Thanks for the thorough layout on selling affiliate products. I disagree with the last post about telling us something we already know. This basic set up is what makes affiliate marketing tick. Personally, I only believe in promoting affiliate products I use myself, but this process is a good one.

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16 years ago

Marc, how can you possibly say that with a post that has a sig going to an Adsense site?
Getting his sig noticed is exactly why Steven made his post. Its also exactly why you made your reply.
All he did was inform people on how to follow the rules of the forum on the use of sig links.
He pretty much told people to do what you are doing in your own post.

This thread is mind boggling. People use the advertising system created by this forum, but now its somehow only 'sometimes ok' to promote affiliate links on your own site...

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marcanthony 16 years ago
Originally Posted by Doug English

Marc, how can you possibly say that with a post that has a sig going to an Adsense site?

How can I possibly say what?

Steven's post was great!

Adsense site? Are you kidding me?

I really hope you don't think that I expect to make thousands of dollars from Adsense through this forum.

I'm not blatantly spamming or selling anything...

Getting his sig noticed is exactly why Steven made his post. Its also exactly why you made your reply.

Wrong...

That's not why he made this post.

If you paid attention to the not so fine print... you would have noticed that his sig is empty.

All he did was inform people on how to follow the rules of the forum on the use of sig links.

And he did a great job of it...

However, in the wrong hands... his message can easily be misconstrued.

He pretty much told people to do what you are doing in your own post.

What was that?

My site is not:
- A Wordpress blog
- There's no Autoresponder
- The members create all of the content(no need for PLR)
- There are no written reviews
- No Camtasia Videos
- And, there isn't anything to buy
This thread is mind boggling. People use the advertising system created by this forum, but now its somehow only 'sometimes ok' to promote affiliate links on your own site...

I think that your confusion is what's boggling your mind.

So far... not one person has claimed or implied that it's "sometimes ok" to promote affiliate links.

The only opposing argument--Is that the information is misleading.

So please explain, in more detail, what exactly you are talking about.
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16 years ago

On a more serious note, folks.

I'm enjoying chocolate cream eclairs, RedBull and listening to audio from that crazy clayton fellow...

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16 years ago

I think Steven's post was good for showing people how to actually make a worthwhile affiliate site. Now, we might not all agree that it's the best use of somebody's time (i.e. promoting <insert latest scam here> with a review/blog and stuff like that) but it's their time...eventually they'll come around and get smart that IM is about more than a commission. If they don't - well, that's one less to worry about

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webpromotions

16 years ago

Marc - I see 5 sig links in Stevens post(s), so not sure on that one.

If i misunderstood your opinion on this post, I apologize, but it seems to me like the complaints to this post were that its 'wrong' to promote affiliate links on your own site, and most of the people who complained are promoting affiliate links on their own site. (yes, adsense is an affiliate link)

My real point is this - 99% of you are here for the sig link exposure...and all Steven did was point out how to follow the forum rules, so whats the problem?

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capriliz

16 years ago

The Maverick Money Maker guy just asked his affiliates to not post on the WF anymore.

I don't promote the product, but did just receive his request via email.

There - I am sure that will put a stop to it!

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by capriliz

The Maverick Money Maker guy just asked his affiliates to not post on the WF anymore.

I don't promote the product, but did just receive his request via email.

There - I am sure that will put a stop to it!

Carmen

Hi Carmen.

I would appreciate a copy of that e-mail via PM if it's at all possible

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marcanthony

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Doug English

Marc - I see 5 sig links in Stevens post(s), so not sure on that one.

I've attached a picture of what I see...

I don't see any links in Steven's post... that's wierd!

If i misunderstood your opinion on this post, I apologize, but it seems to me like the complaints to this post were that its 'wrong' to promote affiliate links on your own site, and most of the people who complained are promoting affiliate links on their own site. (yes, adsense is an affiliate link)

No need for an apology...

But..

Who's complained?

Also...

I don't doubt that Adsense is a variation of affiliate marketing.

My real point is this - 99% of you are here for the sig link exposure...and all Steven did was point out how to follow the forum rules, so whats the problem?

Who said there was a problem?

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16 years ago

Doug

Not sure who's post your looking at with the 5 siggies, but it sure aint Steve's cos he definitely doesn't have a sig there. He didn't have one when he first posted either because I was one of the first people to read it.

I'd be interested to know where you get your stats about 99% of people only post here for link exposure because I think you'd be surprised to find many of us actually just enjoy coming to the forum and having a good old debate

Kim

Originally Posted by Doug English

Marc - I see 5 sig links in Stevens post(s), so not sure on that one.

If i misunderstood your opinion on this post, I apologize, but it seems to me like the complaints to this post were that its 'wrong' to promote affiliate links on your own site, and most of the people who complained are promoting affiliate links on their own site. (yes, adsense is an affiliate link)

My real point is this - 99% of you are here for the sig link exposure...and all Steven did was point out how to follow the forum rules, so whats the problem?

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Jeremy Kelsall 16 years ago

Kim, I think he might have been looking at the people that "thanked" Steven for the post...and mistakenly thought they were links...
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  In all fairness to Doug...
  
  Steven's original post doesn't show any links in his sig...
  
  But the rest of his posts do...
  
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  In all fairness to Doug...
  
  Steven's original post doesn't show any links in his sig...
  
  But the rest of his posts do...
  
  I just caught that!
  
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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Doug English

Marc - I see 5 sig links in Stevens post(s), so not sure on that one.

If i misunderstood your opinion on this post, I apologize, but it seems to me like the complaints to this post were that its 'wrong' to promote affiliate links on your own site, and most of the people who complained are promoting affiliate links on their own site. (yes, adsense is an affiliate link)

My real point is this - 99% of you are here for the sig link exposure...and all Steven did was point out how to follow the forum rules, so whats the problem?

Doug, the snapshot that you posted showed five THANK YOUs, not signature links.

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Kay King 16 years ago

Overanalysis can lead to inelegant conclusions....

9 of 10 people joining would not take the time to follow the advice about creating a site for a signature that Steven is talking about. Their only goal is to slap up a CB link (several reported yesterday) or a cloned affiliate page or other tricks in the hope of "making money".

1 of 10 might do it - and they would learn something in the process. They might realize there is a process to making money online - there is work involved - there are requirements to participation on a valuable forum.

One of the reasons I like the strict signature rule here is because you have to DO something to have a signature. You have to CREATE a site, a blog, a product, a lens, etc before you can claim it in your WF signature. May not sound like much but it includes basics such as niche research, keyword research, writing content and perhaps an autoresponder email series.

At least if you end up on an MMM page you will know that person had to do some work to get you there!....and you can still leave!

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  Kim, I think he might have been looking at the people that "thanked" Steven for the post...and mistakenly thought they were links...
  
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16 years ago

Many legitimate newbie affiliates don't have a clue of what they are doing. They don't know the rules, hell, they don't even know that there are any rules.

For someone who is sincere in learning IM, makes a simple mistake here at the WF, they get an infraction and a hazing of a lifetime. Not the warmest welcome, but those who stick around and apologize for their mistake, usually follow the rules quite well, and go on to listen and learn from those who can show tested results on how to do something.

The spammers will allways be 1 liners, of no relevency to the topic being discussed. They are not hard to spot... you know they are not being sincere, and probably copy and paste their replys to get enough posts to spam some PM's, then try a scam at the WSO, those are the ones that I take time to check out their sig, and 9 times out of 10, they are breaking the sig rule.

White Hat: Sell the best stuff you know, believe in it, and follow the rules.

Gray Hat: Do White Hat stuff, but throw in some bullshit and if, perchance, you sell some crap, take the money and run.

Black Hat: Get as much money for as little as you can. Favor quantity crap over quality value.

I think the true 'Black Hatters' will see this thread and hopefully think, "ah crap, I'm not going to do all that, guess they are strict on spamming around here. Off to the next target..."

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ShayB 16 years ago

I look at it this way. The WF has a lot of info about affiliate marketing.

For a newbie, they may not understand the fine line between something that is permitted in the WF rules and what isn't.

The OP explained that very well, IMHO, and it will help ALL newbies that come here legitimately to learn and profit.

Spammers and scammers won't care. They will keep on doing the same old cr*p.

This post will help the ones who really want to learn and do things the right way.
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16 years ago

Steven your post is spot on as usual, keep on sharing them golden nuggets my friend, you are a true asset to this forum.

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16 years ago

The first post I see in this by Steven does not have any sigs, but the 2nd one has 5. Just clicked the first one on this list and it goes to a WSO by him. Perhaps this has something to do w/ the 'thanks' system? If so, I have no idea. Don't know how that works.

Kim - don't know what to say, other than I disagree. I honestly don't think most of the posts here would exist if it weren't for the link or branding exposure. I don't have any problem with this because its what this forum exists for (and for a good reason), but I also don't see any problem in calling a spade a spade. In fact, the sig links is the entire reason this post was made. (the MMM and other affiliate link spamming)

I should have been more upfront w/ my first reply...I was afraid to violate 'rule #1'. lgibbon has a personal beef w/ Steven and its blatantly obvious. If nobody else can see this, well, I guess I'm just crazy.

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Jason G Anderson 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Doug English

The first post I see in this by Steven does not have any sigs, but the 2nd one has 5. Just clicked the first one on this list and it goes to a WSO by him.

That's true, but come on - does Steven really have to turn off his sigs in every single post he makes to a thread he starts so people stop complaining that all he's doing is self promotion (or whatever the latest complaint is). Sheesh! He turned of his sig in the first post - that should be enough.

And for what it's worth - I think the original post is a good plan. Sure, it could be used to promote crap - just about any information posted to the WF could be used to promote crap. It doesn't mean it's bad information, just the person using it needs to take a long hard look at themself.
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  No, Steven does NOT need to turn off his signature - it's his choice whether to show it or not. Just as it is with anyone else here using valid signature links as he does.
  
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Craig McPherson

16 years ago

For the record I am not a huge fan of Swagen, but that is just my opinion and we all know what opinions are worth.

In saying that the man does post some very good information at times and this is one of them.

Thanks for the info and the heads up swagen.

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tommygadget

16 years ago

I really wish that those of us who like negativity would keep quiet more often. Pissing contests that arise for no reason at all are very unproductive. I am SURE that Steven was not telling scammers to be more industrious and creative so we have to weed out more spam. Really, can't we just talk about making money.

BTW, I like posting here a lot more than I need signature line exposure.

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Nick Brighton 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Killer Joe

Nick, you can't be serious? "For no legitimate reason"?

Did you just get back from a long vacation? :confused:

KJ

Ah, I know exactly what's going on now Joe. Here's the deal:

I've been through hours of video content inside MMM (in order to produce an honest, legitimate review) and the only reference I see to the WF is by running WSOs.

Now I've just read another post about how the program was apparently advising people to post in forums with an affiliate sig link.

I can see where the problem has come from, but obviously the error has been corrected at the source.
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marcanthony 16 years ago

Originally Posted by tommygadget

I really wish that those of us who like negativity would keep quiet more often.

There's negativity in all discussions--Although this particular discussion has far more positive responses than negative ones.

I am SURE that Steven was not telling scammers to be more industrious and creative so we have to weed out more spam.

Nobody in this thread doubts that Steven had good intentions...

BTW, I like posting here a lot more than I need signature line exposure.

TomG.

Me too..
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ORIGINAL POST EDITED BY ADMIN:

There is no proper way to promote affiliate programs in the Warrior Forum.

If I see 10 people with sig lines that have the same program name in them they are all going to get deleted, whether it's going to their own domain or not.

Steve this was a very dangerous post for some folks.

We're trying to keep Sig files valuable, and we do that by each being unique. Going to peoples own domain, or WSO. Not having 1000's of sig's all leading to some popular affiliate program.

Even God hates monotony.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by admin

ORIGINAL POST EDITED BY ADMIN:

There is no proper way to promote affiliate programs in the Warrior Forum.

If I see 10 people with sig lines that have the same program name in them they are all going to get deleted, whether it's going to their own domain or not.

Steve this was a very dangerous post for some folks.

We're trying to keep Sig files valuable, and we do that by each being unique. Going to peoples own domain, or WSO. Not having 1000's of sig's all leading to some popular affiliate program.

Even God hates monotony.

Allen, please accept my apologies. It was my intention to only try to
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Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Allen, please accept my apologies. It was my intention to only try to
stop people from trying to game the forum and actually put up some
sites of value.

No problem Steve.

I'm working on a way to get rid of those people. Member moderation is good but it has its limits when experience is needed.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by admin

No problem Steve.

I'm working on a way to get rid of those people. Member moderation is good but it has its limits when experience is needed.

Kind of like Thor and his mighty hammer. It's hammer time (sorry, bad '80's ref).

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Paul Myers

16 years ago

The Maverick Money Maker guy just asked his affiliates to not post on the WF anymore.

About time.

Allen has cleared up a point in the policies here that make this a somewhat moot discussion anyway.

Nick,

Shame that the good program owners feel that they have to shy away from outlets where their target audience hangs out, for no legitimate reason.

The problem is with telling newbies to come in here and post just for the sig file exposure. That creates floods of bullshit posts, and fights about them getting deleted.

Allen,

I'm working on a way to get rid of those people. Member moderation is good but it has its limits when experience is needed.

If you want a hand with that, let me know.

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Originally Posted by Paul Myers

About time.

Allen has cleared up a point in the policies here that make this a somewhat moot discussion anyway.

Nick,The problem is with telling newbies to come in here and post just for the sig file exposure. That creates floods of bullshit posts, and fights about them getting deleted.

Allen,If you want a hand with that, let me know.

Paul

PS: "MC Gadget" is in da house!

My God...I need both your hands.. :-)

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Paul Myers 16 years ago

Allen,

My God...I need both your hands.. :-)

Around whose neck(s)?

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My God...I need both your hands.. :-)

I would help but my eyes are cross eyed and could lead to deleting the wrong person.

That means if Riley is deleted it wasn't my fault.
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16 years ago

richard,

The WSOs are OUR products, not affiliate products.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by richard655

Hey Allen you know this is very strange. You say it's OK to sell you product but it is not OK to sell affiliate products.Something just is not right. In fact i had planned on making a purchase from you. I better rethink that.

What are you talking about????

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Paul Myers 16 years ago

What are you talking about????

He/she/it was making a lame attempt at retroactive, and illiterate, blackmail.

You don't really believe this kind of person is capable of independent and coherent thought, do you?

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by richard655

Hey Allen you know this is very strange. You say it's OK to sell you product but it is not OK to sell affiliate products.Something just is not right. In fact i had planned on making a purchase from you. I better rethink that.

Is there a way to embed the Twilight Zone theme? Just asking. BTW, Allen, if you need another pair of hands around someone's neck, just let me know and I'll take them off mine for a minute or two

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Sean A McAlister 16 years ago

Originally Posted by tommygadget

if you need another pair of hands around someone's neck, just let me know and I'll take them off mine for a minute or two

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Yea man Im in too! Love that stuff! We will do like we do elsewhere....Forget bout it...capiche
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Originally Posted by richard655

Hey Allen you know this is very strange. You say it's OK to sell you product but it is not OK to sell affiliate products.Something just is not right. In fact i had planned on making a purchase from you. I better rethink that.

I know Allen will be upset that he will have to cancel his Cuba trip because of that one sale.

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appsrus

16 years ago

lgibbon I hear what you're saying, but come on buddy

if you click everyones sig link you will always end up at shit pages like that! :p

I totally agree, this is a great approach to take.

In any case, we all must realize that many of the stupid people who come to forums and try to do shit like that with 1 line posts, they never even read the rules so they will all be banned soon anyways with this policy!

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MikeAmbrosio

16 years ago

Roger,

Good points.

I guess I am just one of those who really could care less about sig files because I rarely click on them.

I agree about the trash posts from those looking to just get their links out there I agree it should be dealt with. Which is why I agreed with Martin. Get rid of them. There is always the WSO forum if you want to sell stuff. And since they need to be manually approved, it would greatly reduce the crap.

And you have to face the facts - no matter how easy it is to follow the rules there will be those who could care less and those who don't understand.

Those who could care less, delete them.

Those who don't understand, teach them. Which is what I initially viewed Stevens post to be. Teaching them.

Interesting all the viewpoints you see on a forum, isn't it?

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16 years ago

Steven, it's a shame we don't see more of you around here buddy, I can understand why.

Back to the affiliate/sig subject:

Instead of linking to an affiliate site via your domain/re-direct or whatever and making one sale and possibly becoming N/A, why not capture the lead in your mailing list.. build a good bond with your subscribers.. and make a possible 20 sales?

I sold 2000 eBooks in my first year and not once captured the lead. Please learn from my stoopid mistake lol.

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16 years ago

Would it be wrong of me to recommend a group hug?..

Y'all big, strapping warriors would be great for a cuddle

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I soooo needed more sleep last nite...

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KarlWarren

16 years ago

I don't want to put words into Allen's mouth, because I don't know exactly what he saw in Steven's OP. As far as I could see, his OP did explain the rules.

BUT...

The rule has always stood, and didn't really require any clarification. So, effectively, the OP (title specifically) could be misconstrued...

Instead of:
The Proper Way To Promote Affiliate Products At The Warrior Forum

It could be read as:
Promote Affiliate Products At The Warrior Forum

The question hadn't been raised as far as I can see... Such a discussion (in my opinion) wasn't needed.

Now, back to my cave.

[edit] Allen's subsequent post (made while I was typing this) seems to confirm my view to a degree.

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stevecl

16 years ago

This issue has only really come to light since the MMM debacle. Hopefully that has died down and the status quo can remain.

Perhaps Newbs should be stopped from having a sig for 30-60 days or so, that way any of them jumping on a hot release bandwagon won't have the opportunity ride the wave and spam here.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by stevecl

Perhaps Newbs should be stopped from having a sig for 30-60 days or so, that way any of them jumping on a hot release bandwagon won't have the opportunity ride the wave and spam here.
Steve

Steve,

Allen has already said the 30 post minimum rule is causing him a headache so that would probably give him a migraine.

Maybe on top of the WF rules there should be this

"Before you do anything ask yourself if it will cause admin and the mods extra unnecessary work"

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Paul Myers 16 years ago

Steve,

This issue has only really come to light since the MMM debacle. Hopefully that has died down and the status quo can remain.

If it hasn't died down, it will soon.

If we still had the beer button, I'd recommend we each buy Les a case of his favorite ice cold beverage.

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Kay King 16 years ago

The 30 post rule was a good idea - but people have been determined to find a way around it.

I've always wondered if a "newbie time period" would be effective as so many of these people who join the WF only to promote disappear quickly even if they aren't banned. They seem to have short attention spans.

If they couldn't post a link or signature for 15-30 days - and couldn't run a WSO until they've been contributing members for 60-90 days we might keep the cream of the crop while the spammers move on to something else. They could be allowed to post in the classified section any time.

Just wonder if allowing anyone to sign up to run a WSO wouldn't quickly take the "special" out of the title? Having a WSO on the first page might become 10 minutes of fame:p

That said, the practice of moving a non-conforming (with the rules) WSO to the classified section is a good one.

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16 years ago

Martin,

I'm sure there is a script or something that could help with that kind of thing. Just tossing some idea's into the mix.

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Martin Luxton 16 years ago

Steve,

I thought the same thing about a script.

I think what probably gives him the headache is the complaining plus the spamming people do to reach the target.

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Robert Puddy

16 years ago

Does that mean i cant use an affiliate link to promote one of my own programs in my own sig file?

Or does it mean I have to create a landing page with my affiliate links to my own affilliate program (which I own) ?

Very confusing all this sig file lark

Robert

PS: Oh wait what if i get all my affiliates to put my aff link in thier sig files to go to my landing page with my affiliate links to my own program... wow that would be a wheeze

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Robert Puddy

Does that mean i cant use an affiliate link to promote one of my own programs in my own sig file?

Or does it mean I have to create a landing page with my affiliate links to my own affilliate program (which I own) ?

Very confusing all this sig file lark

Robert

PS: Oh wait what if i get all my affiliates to put my aff link in thier sig files to go to my landing page with my affiliate links to my own program... wow that would be a wheeze

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What?

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16 years ago

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Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

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There is no proper way to promote affiliate programs in the Warrior Forum.

Here's a fine example of just that:
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