Finally!! THE Secret to Internet Marketing! Blah, I cant Take It!!

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Godddddddddddddd! I can't take it anymore!

I have tried everything to make money online, and all I got for my hard work is $34.94 from Adsense, and 1 $13.07 sale from clickbank over the course of 2 years. I spend ALL of my free time marketing online. I have several websites, several blogs, etc and NONE of them ever catch on amongst readers.

All my content is original, but I don't feel like Im a great writer. I'm sooo tired of reading everyone's repetitive crap ebooks over and over......... I've been told to stick to one area of IM and master it, I've also been told to get my hands into every aspect all at once. It doesnt work. I get vistors (Nothing worth bragging about), but nothing converts, or they dont click my ads (and yes, I know about Adsense placements, and researching to find quality affiliate products that convert)

What am I doing wrong? Why do you Warriors make money online (atleast claim you do) and I don't? I've follow gurus, and Warrior forum members, I've purchased the courses, and ebooks, and followed them to a T, I've taken action like you all have said to do....and still nothing works. Well guess what?????

I HAVE FIGURED OUT THE SECRET TO INTERNET MARKETING!!!!!!!!

HERE IT IS - ARE YOU READY?





The secret is:

Read lot's of other people's ebooks, and learn how to "Supposedly" make money online.

Make lot's of websites and blogs pretending to make lot's of money doing the same thing.

Do this to the point that you become somewhat of an expert and people will look up to you for guidance.

Sell them your ebook, which is just another persons ebook rewritten and profit.

Collect them on an email list and profit off them again by rewritting someone else ebook.

Rinse and Repeat!

Dammit!, Im Pissed
#blah #finally #internet #marketing #secret
  • Profile picture of the author MarQueteer
    Originally Posted by up4bidz View Post

    The secret is:

    Read lot's of other people's ebooks, and learn how to "Supposedly" make money online.

    Make lot's of websites and blog pretending to make lot's of money doing the same thing.

    Do this to the point that you become somewhat of an expert and people will look up to you for guidance.

    Sell them your ebook, which is just another persons ebook rewritten and profit.

    Collect them on an email list and profit off them again by rewritting someone else ebook.

    Rinse and Repeat!

    Dammit!, Im Pissed
    You know the game, now go play it
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    • Profile picture of the author Tim Brendel
      Originally Posted by MarQueteer View Post

      You know the game, now go play it
      Are you serious? Could it be that simple? I never realized it before, but it seems so easy....atleast that part of it.
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      • Profile picture of the author milamber
        Originally Posted by up4bidz View Post

        Are you serious? Could it be that simple? I never realized it before, but it seems so easy....atleast that part of it.
        Duhh.. Now that you know the summary, work on it. Make tons of sites and blogs.. Be creative.. In order to earn, you must give freebies
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        • Profile picture of the author Christian Chan
          Now making a ton of sites and blogs will not make
          you a living. You will need to learn the basics.
          Copywriting + traffic will get you somewhere.

          Originally Posted by milamber View Post

          Duhh.. Now that you know the summary, work on it. Make tons of sites and blogs.. Be creative.. In order to earn, you must give freebies
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          • Profile picture of the author Tim Brendel
            Originally Posted by Christian Chan View Post

            Now making a ton of sites and blogs will not make
            you a living. You will need to learn the basics.
            Copywriting + traffic will get you somewhere.
            Yes, but getting traffic for me has not been easy. Everyone says this to get traffic:

            ` Write articles and send them to article directories
            ` Create Squidoo lenses, other blogs, etc. pointing back to your blog/site
            ` Drop links in forums and signatures
            ` Utilize social networking sites by posting to them with link backs to your site


            All of these require great, if not decent writing ability. I don't think I have that. Maybe Im just down on myself, but I dont think people want to read what Im writing about, or it comes off corny to myself when I re-read what I wrote.

            What else can I do besides this, and PPC of course?
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            • Profile picture of the author ADAMw3
              Originally Posted by up4bidz View Post

              Yes, but getting traffic for me has not been easy. Everyone says this to get traffic:

              ` Write articles and send them to article directories
              ` Create Squidoo lenses, other blogs, etc. pointing back to your blog/site
              ` Drop links in forums and signatures
              ` Utilize social networking sites by posting to them with link backs to your site


              All of these require great, if not decent writing ability. I don't think I have that. Maybe Im just down on myself, but I dont think people want to read what Im writing about, or it comes off corny to myself when I re-read what I wrote.

              What else can I do besides this, and PPC of course?
              You do not have to be a great writer to be a successful article marketer.

              You mentioned you have tried everything, but quick question... How many articles have you submitted to the directories? How many lenses have you built?

              If you are doing these correctly, there is no reason why you will not be making commissions daily. Mass produce that content!
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              • Profile picture of the author John Harrison
                You already have an advantage over other prospective internet marketers, you have made a start, tried things out, and asked for help.

                In the words of Dog the Bounty Hunter "Not everyone is perfect, but you should never give up".

                Good luck with your ventures

                JH
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              • Profile picture of the author jakeh9
                THE FIRST SECRET TO SUCCESS IN ANYTHING IS THE RIGHT MINDSET!
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                • Profile picture of the author gzeus
                  No, it's the right and consistent action.
                  Originally Posted by jakeh9 View Post

                  THE FIRST SECRET TO SUCCESS IN ANYTHING IS THE RIGHT MINDSET!
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                  • Profile picture of the author Ray Erdmann
                    I've noticed a few people early on in this thread mentioning getting a mentor..the only problem I have with that kinda of advice is that in other threads started by others who find themselves in a similar situation as the OP, the responses have all pretty much concluded that 'no one would ever want to mentor someone without some type of upfront monetary contribution'...thus, unless you've got a few "$1,000's" stashed away somewhere, it's going to be pretty hard to find someone to mentor you.

                    If this isn't the case, then I'm all for tying to find a mentor myself, as I find it somewhat difficult to keep the focus in my own a one-man business...and feel that if I had someone to sorta "report to", as I did when working a regular 9-to-5 job, I would probably see more success then what I'm seeing now.

                    Thoughts/opinions welcomed, of course.


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              • Profile picture of the author azurews
                I do know there are a lot of variables and aspects of IM that need to be mastered to be fairly successful. I sure don't claim to have mastered even half of them.

                I also know that I have spent 5 years as a zombified full time college student (mom/homeschooler/freelancer) to get a degree in IST, I am 50 grand in debt from school loans and I still don't feel I know half of what I think I should know in the IT industry. Both industries tend to change at a rapid pace...but the basics are still the same.

                Getting a mentor is a great idea...your own personal professor. Staying focused is another key. I personally have problems with this...I am easily distracted.

                Get a mentor, stay/get organized and stay/get focused.

                Not sure if that's much help...but it's all I got
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            • Profile picture of the author Christian Chan
              1. PPC (google - don't forget its content network, yahoo, and msn)
              2. CPM Mail Drops
              3. Joint Venture

              Originally Posted by up4bidz View Post

              Yes, but getting traffic for me has not been easy. Everyone says this to get traffic:

              ` Write articles and send them to article directories
              ` Create Squidoo lenses, other blogs, etc. pointing back to your blog/site
              ` Drop links in forums and signatures
              ` Utilize social networking sites by posting to them with link backs to your site


              All of these require great, if not decent writing ability. I don't think I have that. Maybe Im just down on myself, but I dont think people want to read what Im writing about, or it comes off corny to myself when I re-read what I wrote.

              What else can I do besides this, and PPC of course?
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            • Profile picture of the author Emmanuel Betinis
              Originally Posted by up4bidz View Post

              What else can I do besides this, and PPC of course?
              Have you considered utilizing effective Search Engine Optimization (other than "SEO methods" that result in one-time bursts of traffic that deliver no long-term, residual, quality targeted traffic?

              P.S. Don't see your posts as 'cheesy' or 'embarassing' to yourself when you go back and read them (as you mentioned earlier). We're all always learning...and I can guarantee you what you think might be a "dumb" question others wanted to ask and were thankful for your action to ask it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jassim
    Mastering those techniques also not easy. You already spent 2 yrs to figure it out. To perfect what you learned in last two years, will take at least another 6 months i guess.

    If you think you found out the secret, then go ahead & make some money.
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  • Profile picture of the author ptone
    I'm not sure if you are asking for help or you just wanted to vent.

    If you are asking for help, then it may be time to find a mentor. You have obviously spent a lot time, energy and money and have gotten nowhere. Find someone that has been successful and willing to mentor you and pay them to look over all your efforts and teach you what you've done wrong and teach you what to do right.

    In your sig, you have a site that teaches how to flip WP blogs. Have you tried this? I can't believe that you've tried flipping blogs and have made no money. Flipping blogs can be time-consuming, but you should be able to at least make a little bit of money doing this...at least more than you claim you've made over the last two years.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tim Brendel
      Originally Posted by ptone View Post


      In your sig, you have a site that teaches how to flip WP blogs. Have you tried this? I can't believe that you've tried flipping blogs and have made no money. Flipping blogs can be time-consuming, but you should be able to at least make a little bit of money doing this...at least more than you claim you've made over the last two years.
      I actually have made a little bit VERY VERY recently with blogs. That site is a new launch that I also plan to release a digital product with, and then flip the blog. I'm going wait 30-60 days to flip the blog
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    • Profile picture of the author mfleisch
      Hey Warrior... don't fret. Despite the fact that 90% of internet marketing information out there is worthless, the other 10% is VERY valuable. Unfortunately, sometimes you need to wade through the bad stuff in order to find what works.

      I think you should check out some of the offers in the Warrior Forum Special Offers section. Most of these offers are legit. Spend some time reading through the more popular offers and decide what you want to learn about and where you want to focus. Then, just stick with it... you'll get there.
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    • Profile picture of the author gaptel
      Are u a mentor..if so please PM me
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    Instead of having many different sites all at once, pick ONE and get the traffic and sales going. Once that is consistently making $100/day, then do another one. the key is focus.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tim Brendel
      Originally Posted by cypherslock View Post

      Instead of having many different sites all at once, pick ONE and get the traffic and sales going. Once that is consistently making $100/day, then do another one. the key is focus.
      That is WAAAAY easier said than done.
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      • Profile picture of the author dwshoup
        Originally Posted by up4bidz View Post

        That is WAAAAY easier said than done.
        no that is the way to get it done if you have too many systems going at once, then you are spread too thin. I am going to go out on a limb here. I am new to the forum but not to IM. There is a course that is free to take and I can't state enough how much it has helped me to focus. I repeat FOCUS. You need to look into simpleology 101. This is not an affiliate sales attempt they don't have an affiliate program. Trust me 15 minutes a day and you will be amazed at what you can accomplish. ( I hope that mentioning this course doesn't get me an infraction) I really believe that you can benefit from it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tim Brendel
          Originally Posted by dwshoup View Post

          no that is the way to get it done if you have too many systems going at once, then you are spread too thin. I am going to go out on a limb here. I am new to the forum but not to IM. There is a course that is free to take and I can't state enough how much it has helped me to focus. I repeat FOCUS. You need to look into simpleology 101. This is not an affiliate sales attempt they don't have an affiliate program. Trust me 15 minutes a day and you will be amazed at what you can accomplish. ( I hope that mentioning this course doesn't get me an infraction) I really believe that you can benefit from it.

          Thanks so much for the tip!. I will look into this.

          Just an update:

          I have since been working on my new blog, and getting a few websites ready to flip. I have submitted my site to social networking sites, and wrote 1 article yesterday, and Im in the process of writing a Squidoo lenses as we speak.

          Thanks again to all you Warriors!
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  • Profile picture of the author severt
    So you want to make big bucks?
    STEP 1: Look at the guys/girls who already do so and COPY them!

    Find a product that you like but need some improvements.
    Outsource it or do it your self, and MARKET it.

    It's a lot more fun to market something that you own. (trust me )

    Dennis
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  • Profile picture of the author tush
    Hi Up4bidz,
    Maybe you have useda strong language but I know how you feel. You are not alone. I have met sooo many people complaining about the same.. Well, there are so many factors which affect making money online.... ... buut what if I told you that there is a company that helps you to build a profitable business online, guaranteed out of your passion, with free mentorship...IF you follow their step-by-step-guide. Would you give it a try? That company is site build it..USING SITE BUILD IT TO MAKE MONEY ONLINE

    I am a newbie and have been online for slightly over a year. I don't claim I am a millionare yet.. but I have made more money than I ever imagined. You can contact me and I give you proof.

    Bottom line is, don't give up. At that time when you are about to give up, your victory is around the corner. Hang in there.

    Tush
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    • Profile picture of the author Tim Brendel
      Originally Posted by tush View Post

      Hi Up4bidz,
      Maybe you have useda strong language but I know how you feel. You are not alone. I have met sooo many people complaining about the same.. Well, there are so many factors which affect making money online.... ... buut what if I told you that there is a company that helps you to build a profitable business online, guaranteed out of your passion, with free mentorship...IF you follow their step-by-step-guide. Would you give it a try? That company is site build it..USING SITE BUILD IT TO MAKE MONEY ONLINE

      I am a newbie and have been online for slightly over a year. I don't claim I am a millionare yet.. but I have made more money than I ever imagined. You can contact me and I give you proof.

      Bottom line is, don't give up. At that time when you are about to give up, your victory is around the corner. Hang in there.

      Tush
      Thanks for the link, I will check it out tonight. Their service is Free? They ask nothing in return?
      I really hope my victory is around the corner
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  • Profile picture of the author arvada
    I guess re-hashing others' work, lying about your income, and having tons of websites professing your "gurudom" is one way to go about making money. It certainly works for a lot of people in the online business/internet marketing arena.

    Frankly, that's just not my thing.

    Internet marketing must be applied to any online business... not just an internet marketing business. What I mean is that you must apply the principles of internet marketing to ANY niche business in order to be successful.

    Perhaps it's time to stop trying to make all your income from the internet marketing niche and choose a different niche where you can become a big fish in a small pond much more easily?

    The majority of my online profit comes from several non-internet marketing niches. I work on my internet marketing/online business websites because I enjoy doing them and love the subject of internet marketing. They aren't my big money sites.

    Just a thought.

    Best of Luck,
    Arvada Yates
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    • Profile picture of the author AnneE
      Originally Posted by arvada View Post

      Perhaps it's time to stop trying to make all your income from the internet marketing niche and choose a different niche where you can become a big fish in a small pond much more easily?
      This is what is working for me. I stopped looking at the giant markets, the desperate buyers, and I went with a tiny niche that I had some expertise in -- self-publishing children's books.

      Commit to some sustained effort in one direction. I recently participated in the 30-day blog challenge. And.... managed 4 sales of my own product in that 30 days (above my previous average I have to admit) and 26 Amazon affiliate sales.... grand total about $85. BUT.... it's a start and I learned techniques that I can continue to grow.

      I always seem to go with sports analogies (yes, I am a woman, married, kids, go figure). If you were learning to play baseball, you wouldn't want to go to bat against major league pitching. That would be pure frustration. A swing and a miss. A swing and a miss....

      You would either get someone to teach you basic skills (someone above suggested finding a coach or mentor) or start in Little League. A little bit of success seeing a Paypal payment notification in your inbox or querying a search term (even if it is one that gets searched once a day) and seeing your webpage is number 1.... well, it really helps keep you going.

      Anne

      p.s. I understand your anger at all the promises of Stupidly-Simply-Money-Makers and Cash-Machines (Cows) and easy-riches. That is the other half of why I don't want to be selling internet marketing products. Most, but not all, of the internet marketing products I've purchased (including WSO's) have fallen somewhat short of their promises and I don't want to get affiliate commissions from recommending so-so products. I recommend sparingly.
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    • Profile picture of the author gzeus
      Hit the nail on the head. Get out of the overcrowded and tiny (compared to many B2C niches) IM/MMO niche.

      Originally Posted by arvada View Post

      I guess re-hashing others' work, lying about your income, and having tons of websites professing your "gurudom" is one way to go about making money. It certainly works for a lot of people in the online business/internet marketing arena.

      Frankly, that's just not my thing.

      Internet marketing must be applied to any online business... not just an internet marketing business. What I mean is that you must apply the principles of internet marketing to ANY niche business in order to be successful.

      Perhaps it's time to stop trying to make all your income from the internet marketing niche and choose a different niche where you can become a big fish in a small pond much more easily?

      The majority of my online profit comes from several non-internet marketing niches. I work on my internet marketing/online business websites because I enjoy doing them and love the subject of internet marketing. They aren't my big money sites.

      Just a thought.

      Best of Luck,
      Arvada Yates
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Sounds like you're pretty good at websites etc.

    Perhaps you could test providing website and autoresponder services for brick & mortar businesses that want to get online.

    Hope This Helps!!

    TL
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    • Profile picture of the author Tim Brendel
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      Sounds like you're pretty good at websites etc.

      Perhaps you could test providing website and autoresponder services for brick & mortar businesses that want to get online.

      Hope This Helps!!

      TL
      I actually read about this on the forum here a few days ago. I cant remember the thread or title, but I am willing to give this a try. I can do websites, blogs, etc. and I think that would be a great way to gain some cash offline.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vanquish
    Are you using keyword that convert?

    There are two types of keywords

    Buyer keywords- (people actively searching to get rid of a problem)
    Searcher keywords (people searching for info with no bill to buy)


    For ex. someone who is searching for dating advice
    Buyer key word: get more dates
    Searcher keyword: dating tips


    Successful internet marketing is more about finding what poeple want and putting it infront of them vs convincing them to buy.

    You can have a very specific website that has 1000s of visitors a day and make no sales however you can have a site that is searched for less gets 20 visitors a day and 3,4 sales a day.
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    • Profile picture of the author nu2wf
      Originally Posted by Vanquish View Post

      Are you using keyword that convert?

      There are two types of keywords

      Buyer keywords- (people actively searching to get rid of a problem)
      Searcher keywords (people searching for info with no bill to buy)


      For ex. someone who is searching for dating advice
      Buyer key word: get more dates
      Searcher keyword: dating tips


      Successful internet marketing is more about finding what poeple want and putting it infront of them vs convincing them to buy.

      You can have a very specific website that has 1000s of visitors a day and make no sales however you can have a site that is searched for less gets 20 visitors a day and 3,4 sales a day.
      Any tips on how to decide which keywords are buyer vs searcher keywords?
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      • Profile picture of the author Christian Chan
        Buyers search for product name (e.g. Double Your Dating) . Information seekers seek for information (e.g. normally long tail keywords like 'how to date hot women').

        Originally Posted by nu2wf View Post

        Any tips on how to decide which keywords are buyer vs searcher keywords?
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        • Profile picture of the author reapr
          Originally Posted by Christian Chan View Post

          Buyers search for product name (e.g. Double Your Dating) . Information seekers seek for information (e.g. normally long tail keywords like 'how to date hot women').
          Buyers also do the following searches "where can I buy ...." "where can I find ..." when looking for products. These long tails convert real well!!!

          There are no real secrets to internet marketing. Just have to learn to think outside of the box with your own brain, ask other marketers questions when you hit a wall.

          As a prior post stated bum marketing can be rather effective. Once you hit 4 digits a month it just kind of takes on a life of its own.

          Always consider reinvesting a considerable amount of earnings back into tools and info that is highly recommended or even WSO's found in warrior forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author PaulLivingston
    Originally Posted by up4bidz View Post

    What am I doing wrong? Why do you Warriors make money online (atleast claim you do) and I don't? I've follow gurus, and Warrior forum members, I've purchased the courses, and ebooks, and followed them to a T, I've taken action like you all have said to do....and still nothing works.
    Sounds a lot like me...until I found the REAL secret!

    Just sign up for my free ecourse and take the $1,500 OTO and EXPLODE YOUR PROFITS beyond your dreams!

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  • Profile picture of the author MRomeo09
    It may be time to ask for some help. Look if you have a site that isn't making any money anyway. Maybe it's time to pull the covers off one of your sites, and get feedback. I mean who cares if someone rips off your niche, you're not making money anyway.

    Show your website, your stats, your landing pages, any PPC campaigns you have, etc.

    You'll get a lot of fluff responses, but most likely you'll find a few people who will be willing to give you a hand, and maybe they'll see something that you're not seeing. Just a little nudge in the right direction could be all you need to start making money.

    And truth be told most people who say they are taking action really aren't. Are you putting together to-do lists, and always doing the most important action first? I suggest you take a week and write down everything you do in 15 minute increments, I'm sure you'll be surprised at how little productive work you're actually doing. Did you know that most CEO's get on average about 30 minutes of "work" done a day? Even when they "work" around 12 hours a day.

    HTH,

    M
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    • Profile picture of the author Tim Brendel
      Originally Posted by MRomeo09 View Post

      It may be time to ask for some help. Look if you have a site that isn't making any money anyway. Maybe it's time to pull the covers off one of your sites, and get feedback. I mean who cares if someone rips off your niche, you're not making money anyway.

      Show your website, your stats, your landing pages, any PPC campaigns you have, etc.

      You'll get a lot of fluff responses, but most likely you'll find a few people who will be willing to give you a hand, and maybe they'll see something that you're not seeing. Just a little nudge in the right direction could be all you need to start making money.

      And truth be told most people who say they are taking action really aren't. Are you putting together to-do lists, and always doing the most important action first? I suggest you take a week and write down everything you do in 15 minute increments, I'm sure you'll be surprised at how little productive work you're actually doing. Did you know that most CEO's get on average about 30 minutes of "work" done a day? Even when they "work" around 12 hours a day.

      HTH,

      M

      I like this idea - ALOT actually. I will seek out a mentor, and hopefully receive some guidance. One question though, how do you approach someone that you want mentoring from? By email, PM, ???
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  • Profile picture of the author RC7000
    I can tell you now a lot of guru's do this.

    But they make more than $100 a day.
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  • Profile picture of the author severt
    Originally Posted by up4bidz View Post

    Thanks for the link, I will check it out tonight. Their service is Free? They ask nothing in return?
    I really hope my victory is around the corner
    I'm not 100% sure but the links on that page are affiliated!

    http://myws.sitesell.com/annette1.html2.html

    Seems like an affiliate with the name Annette!
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  • Profile picture of the author sunnyman
    Seems you suffer from a common syndrome: reading all the "Guru's" ebooks and trying to implement gazillions of different "strategies"... Been there myself

    SiteSell, which was mentioned here, was the 1st
    It is for real newbies, who know nothing.

    I recommend you throw all those ebooks in the virtual trash, and just follow this forum closely. Look for posts where people actually share something *useful* -- there are a couple of very generous people here.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tim Brendel
      Originally Posted by sunnyman View Post

      Seems you suffer from a common syndrome: reading all the "Guru's" ebooks and trying to implement gazillions of different "strategies"... Been there myself

      SiteSell, which was mentioned here, was the 1st
      It is for real newbies, who know nothing.

      I recommend you throw all those ebooks in the virtual trash, and just follow this forum closely. Look for posts where people actually share something *useful* -- there are a couple of very generous people here.
      Ok, if I trash the ebooks, etc. and start over, where would you recommend I start? I hear everyone say "Affiliate Sales Are The Way To Go", but I dont really buy that hype. Im really concentrating on my new blog 'Cough' link is in my sig' Cough' and the ebook that goes along with it because I honestly believe what I wrote in the initial post about the truth of IM.
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      • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
        Originally Posted by up4bidz View Post

        I honestly believe what I wrote in the initial post about the truth of IM.
        Then you'll like the free, no list sign-up required, eBook in my sig. At least you'll get a laugh or two out of it and there are even a couple of actual secrets in there too.

        Overall, I think the biggest problem people have is that they try to start out by marketing to other marketers. They come to forums like this or one that begins with 'D' or 'S' and assume that's the Internet marketing epicenter. Or they'll find various big name 'make money online' blogs and assume that's the way. Or they click on an Adsense ad pushing an expensive PPC course or online MLM. In reality, this isn't where you want to be if you want to make money online as a beginner.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jonno
          I understand your frustration, I got to a point where I thought the money was just in telling people how to make money, but with some good advice from a fellow warrior, I'm actually starting to see some good results.

          It sounds like you're doing what I did, spreading yourself too thin, be patient and stick to one method and stop chopping and changing, drive traffic to your site(s) (social bookmarking, article submissions, hub pages etc...), above all add good original, quality content

          If you have a lot of regular traffic and you're not getting sales, its more than likely you need to look at your sales copy or your just in a market that isn't "hungry", might be time to move on and try again.

          Be positive that you will succeed and above all work hard, I thought it was going to be easy money when i started out, but I now realise that for the majority of IM'rs... more work = more $$$'s!
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    • Profile picture of the author aistores01
      Originally Posted by sunnyman View Post

      ....just follow this forum closely. Look for posts where people actually share something *useful* -- there are a couple of very generous people here.
      Hi Sunnyman,

      Will appreciate some guidance re the posts you have found to be helpful, and the generous people whose advice you have mentioned.

      Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author GlenHopkins
    I can certainly understand your frustration. Personally, I've been studying and applying marketing for over nine years now and although I am doing very well now, that was not always the case.

    Fact is, it takes a lot of trial and error and lots of testing.

    One thing I would recommend however is that you be careful who you take advise from. As you have figured out, there are many, many people out their who claim to be experts but are far from it.

    Take the time to do your research and hire a mentor with a proven track record. Doing so will cost you up front but by following their proven recipe for success you will save your self a ton of time, money and heartache.

    All the best.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bryan Zimmerman
      Here's what cracks me up. When you read the titles like "Make Thousands In Your Sleep" and "I Know The Secrets" and people buy into it HOPING that this method is going to be the one.

      What would happen if someone came and knocked on your door at your house and fed you the same line and then offered it to you for $97.00? You'd probably slam the door in their face after you asked them If you know the secrets to making millions, what the hell are you doing at my door trying to sell it for $97.00? Why are you not making millions like you say you can instead?

      But on the net it is acceptable. And until people stop believing it, it will always be that way. I know what the secret is. Want to know what it is?

      HARD WORK!!!

      I wonder if I could find a way to sell hard work. Probably not, that would be to difficult of a concept
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      • Profile picture of the author Haltingpoint
        Originally Posted by Bryan Zimmerman View Post

        What would happen if someone came and knocked on your door at your house and fed you the same line and then offered it to you for $97.00? You'd probably slam the door in their face after you asked them If you know the secrets to making millions, what the hell are you doing at my door trying to sell it for $97.00? Why are you not making millions like you say you can instead?
        Brilliant point. One question I'll pose to anybody here who sells IM ebooks is...if you are selling a product that claims to make a large amount of money, why are you selling that product and not using the method instead?

        I wonder how many would be able to seriously answer that.
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  • Profile picture of the author sunnyman
    OK, you mean you are selling your own product? Well, go for it, man!

    Personally, I hate the thought of having to deal with all the hassles but do what's right for *you*...
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  • Profile picture of the author Wah Bhatti
    Originally Posted by up4bidz View Post

    Godddddddddddddd! I can't take it anymore!

    I have tried everything to make money online, and all I got for my hard work is $34.94 from Adsense, and 1 $13.07 sale from clickbank over the course of 2 years. I spend ALL of my free time marketing online. I have several websites, several blogs, etc and NONE of them ever catch on amongst readers.

    All my content is original, but I don't feel like Im a great writer. I'm sooo tired of reading everyone's repetitive crap ebooks over and over......... I've been told to stick to one area of IM and master it, I've also been told to get my hands into every aspect all at once. It doesnt work. I get vistors (Nothing worth bragging about), but nothing converts, or they dont click my ads (and yes, I know about Adsense placements, and researching to find quality affiliate products that convert)

    What am I doing wrong? Why do you Warriors make money online (atleast claim you do) and I don't? I've follow gurus, and Warrior forum members, I've purchased the courses, and ebooks, and followed them to a T, I've taken action like you all have said to do....and still nothing works. Well guess what?????

    I HAVE FIGURED OUT THE SECRET TO INTERNET MARKETING!!!!!!!!

    HERE IT IS - ARE YOU READY?





    The secret is:

    Read lot's of other people's ebooks, and learn how to "Supposedly" make money online.

    Make lot's of websites and blogs pretending to make lot's of money doing the same thing.

    Do this to the point that you become somewhat of an expert and people will look up to you for guidance.

    Sell them your ebook, which is just another persons ebook rewritten and profit.

    Collect them on an email list and profit off them again by rewritting someone else ebook.

    Rinse and Repeat!

    Dammit!, Im Pissed


    And i thought it was having a business and scaling it up thanks for the heads up

    i also thoght that the internet was just a medium to make more sales

    back to the drwing board for me then
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    • Profile picture of the author Tim Brendel
      Originally Posted by Wah Bhatti View Post

      And i thought it was having a business and scaling it up thanks for the heads up

      i also thoght that the internet was just a medium to make more sales

      back to the drwing board for me then

      You gotta love sarcasm!
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      • Profile picture of the author TimCastleman
        I am sorry to hear you are experiencing frustration with marketing. I know how you feel because most of us have been there, done that. Heck, I've been there when you have a million books and each of them telling you something different.

        Here is what I did and hopefully it helps.

        I looked over everything I owned over a weekend and picked a handful of books (like 3 - but only one per subject).

        Then I read them and did exactly what they said to do. If it worked great, if it didn't, then on to the next thing.

        The key is to find a certain thing you want to specialize in. Then find a mentor in that area who has published a real life book - you know the kind that you can find a bookstore and read what they have to say.

        You have to find someone to follow and follow what they say.

        Best of luck.

        Tim
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        • Profile picture of the author Tim Brendel
          Originally Posted by TimCastleman View Post

          I am sorry to hear you are experiencing frustration with marketing. I know how you feel because most of us have been there, done that. Heck, I've been there when you have a million books and each of them telling you something different.

          Here is what I did and hopefully it helps.

          I looked over everything I owned over a weekend and picked a handful of books (like 3 - but only one per subject).

          Then I read them and did exactly what they said to do. If it worked great, if it didn't, then on to the next thing.

          The key is to find a certain thing you want to specialize in. Then find a mentor in that area who has published a real life book - you know the kind that you can find a bookstore and read what they have to say.

          You have to find someone to follow and follow what they say.

          Best of luck.

          Tim

          I think I will try this. I literally have atleast 100 books that I need to go through and pick the best.
          Thanks Tim
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          • Profile picture of the author kurtgeer
            Originally Posted by up4bidz View Post

            I think I will try this. I literally have at least 100 books that I need to go through and pick the best.
            Thanks Tim
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            You sound like you have the DESIRE to succeed.
            You need to focus on YOUR plan
            Work at it, Tweak it, and work at it again
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        • Profile picture of the author joshjindahouse
          Originally Posted by TimCastleman View Post

          I am sorry to hear you are experiencing frustration with marketing. I know how you feel because most of us have been there, done that. Heck, I've been there when you have a million books and each of them telling you something different.

          Here is what I did and hopefully it helps.

          I looked over everything I owned over a weekend and picked a handful of books (like 3 - but only one per subject).

          Then I read them and did exactly what they said to do. If it worked great, if it didn't, then on to the next thing.

          The key is to find a certain thing you want to specialize in. Then find a mentor in that area who has published a real life book - you know the kind that you can find a bookstore and read what they have to say.

          You have to find someone to follow and follow what they say.

          Best of luck.

          Tim
          Would you guys be so kind as to share something that actually works. Unfortunately there are so many scams out there. I'm a noob and I'm looking for a good one to get started on.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
            Hello...

            Originally Posted by joshjindahouse View Post

            Would you guys be so kind as to share something that actually works. Unfortunately there are so many scams out there. I'm a noob and I'm looking for a good one to get started on.

            The funny or not so funny thing about it is -- It all works

            Seriously, Adsense will earn you money. Article Marketing will earn you cash, PPC will make get you sales...

            The thing that most people do though is to try a method for 2 days and not see the results they want and then go to the next thing.

            Pick any one of the methods above that you think you can do. Once you do that search the forum for information related to it, outline a plan, and then work it for 30 days and you will see the money start to appear.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
    Getting frustrated is just a natural part of the journey.

    We all experience frustration sometimes. And that's a good testament to our desire to succeed. What separates the "winners" from the "losers" are those who keep going and use their frustration to propel them forward.

    What you've been doing hasn't been making money so you need to change your approach. You need to start thinking differently. Time for a change. Adopt another system for making money (Info products are my favourite). Start thinking bigger (no point concentrating on $1,000/month when you can make $10,000/month). And get going again bigger and better than ever.

    Because in the process of accomplishing your goals you're becoming someone worth becoming. A champion who never quits even when the going gets tough. That's something to celebrate. Something worth more than all the gold in Fort Knox.

    Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and get going again. And remember you're surrounded by thousands of amazing people that can help you in your Internet Marketing journey.

    Good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tim Brendel
      Originally Posted by ZigZag View Post

      Getting frustrated is just a natural part of the journey.

      We all experience frustration sometimes. And that's a good testament to our desire to succeed. What separates the "winners" from the "losers" are those who keep going and use their frustration to propel them forward.

      What you've been doing hasn't been making money so you need to change your approach. You need to start thinking differently. Time for a change. Adopt another system for making money (Info products are my favourite). Start thinking bigger (no point concentrating on $1,000/month when you can make $10,000/month). And get going again bigger and better than ever.

      Because in the process of accomplishing your goals you're becoming someone worth becoming. A champion who never quits even when the going gets tough. That's something to celebrate. Something worth more than all the gold in Fort Knox.

      Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and get going again. And remember you're surrounded by thousands of amazing people that can help you in your Internet Marketing journey.

      Good luck.

      WOW! I think that's exactly what i needed to hear. I made this post mostly to vent, but I honestly didn't realize I'd receive so much help in the process. Most of my threads to froums get moved to the bottom fairly quickly.

      Thanks to all you Warriors!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author gaptel
      This is ver inspirational and encouraging, god bless you
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    • Profile picture of the author joshjindahouse
      Originally Posted by ZigZag View Post

      Getting frustrated is just a natural part of the journey.

      We all experience frustration sometimes. And that's a good testament to our desire to succeed. What separates the "winners" from the "losers" are those who keep going and use their frustration to propel them forward.

      What you've been doing hasn't been making money so you need to change your approach. You need to start thinking differently. Time for a change. Adopt another system for making money (Info products are my favourite). Start thinking bigger (no point concentrating on $1,000/month when you can make $10,000/month). And get going again bigger and better than ever.

      Because in the process of accomplishing your goals you're becoming someone worth becoming. A champion who never quits even when the going gets tough. That's something to celebrate. Something worth more than all the gold in Fort Knox.

      Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and get going again. And remember you're surrounded by thousands of amazing people that can help you in your Internet Marketing journey.

      Good luck.
      Would you guys be so kind as to share something that actually works. Unfortunately there are so many scams out there. I'm a noob and I'm looking for a good one to get started on.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sylvia Meier
    Getting frustrated and negative about things isn't going to do you any good.

    Honestly, it really isn't so hard to make money online, but you have to approach it with a plan. It's like any other business, you wouldn't just jump into a 100K brick and mortar business without a plan and you shouldn't online either.

    And you need to stop jumping on every "golden egg" that comes along. Like was said earlier in the thread, find something, stick with it till it becomes a passive income and move on. Then build your next one, but always with a plan and an end goal in mind.

    I mean really, I do understand your frustration, I was there myself, but having a plan is key. I mean my little girl whose only 10 made over $700 online in a week, and that was her first attempt at anything, but she had an end goal, focused on her own strengths, found a market willing to purchase those strengths and went after it. But the difference is obvious, she had her plan laid out before she ever tried to sell anything online and she stuck with the one thing. She had her hook (she wanted a bed, she's 10 and she's willing to work for her own item) and we took advantage of her hook to sell her product. Find your own hook and brand and come from that angle. Everyone has something they are good at, that their is a market for, you just have to find yours.

    Best of luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tim Brendel
      Originally Posted by Sylvia Rolfe View Post

      I mean my little girl whose only 10 made over $700 online in a week, and that was her first attempt at anything, but she had an end goal, focused on her own strengths, found a market willing to purchase those strengths and went after it.

      Sylvia
      Damn, I just want to cry reading that.......partly out of joy for her, but mostly out of pity for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Christian Chan
    Adsense is dead A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. Why are
    you still playing that game?

    Originally Posted by up4bidz View Post

    Godddddddddddddd! I can't take it anymore!

    I have tried everything to make money online, and all I got for my hard work is $34.94 from Adsense, and 1 $13.07 sale from clickbank over the course of 2 years. I spend ALL of my free time marketing online. I have several websites, several blogs, etc and NONE of them ever catch on amongst readers.

    All my content is original, but I don't feel like Im a great writer. I'm sooo tired of reading everyone's repetitive crap ebooks over and over......... I've been told to stick to one area of IM and master it, I've also been told to get my hands into every aspect all at once. It doesnt work. I get vistors (Nothing worth bragging about), but nothing converts, or they dont click my ads (and yes, I know about Adsense placements, and researching to find quality affiliate products that convert)
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  • Profile picture of the author eddycole
    You know what sells online?

    Crap.

    About 2 weeks ago I put up a crappy affiliate site filled with crappy PLR articles, got some links to the site from crappy social network and online bookmarking profiles then forgot about it for a week or so.

    I was amazed when order notifications started coming in - 14 in all so far for an aff product with a $100 payout!

    The traffic is coming from search engines and with such a crappy site and lo quality dupe content I expect the gravy train to leave the station soon, but nonetheless, it's taken me totally off guard. I'm glad I put up links to a high paying program rather than adsense ads or else I probably would have only made like a few bucks by now.

    ed
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    • Profile picture of the author Tim Brendel
      Originally Posted by eddycole View Post

      You know what sells online?

      Crap.

      About 2 weeks ago I put up a crappy affiliate site filled with crappy PLR articles, got some links to the site from crappy social network and online bookmarking profiles then forgot about it for a week or so.

      I was amazed when order notifications started coming in - 14 in all so far for an aff product with a $100 payout!

      The traffic is coming from search engines and with such a crappy site and lo quality dupe content I expect the gravy train to leave the station soon, but nonetheless, it's taken me totally off guard. I'm glad I put up links to a high paying program rather than adsense ads or else I probably would have only made like a few bucks by now.

      ed

      Now, do you pre-sell the affiliate product, or let the affiliate sales page do the selling? Im guessing that you are targeting a market that has buyer taping their credit cards on the desk ready to order a product????
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      • Profile picture of the author eddycole
        I didn't do anything really, except what I posted above. I put up 50 hosting related articles on the site, put a big banner under the title of each article but above the content, the banner linked to the hosting company and throughout the articles relevant keywords are linked as well.

        I then linked to the site and a few of the articles from elsewhere on the web, like social networking profiles I have set up around the web. I also submitted an xml sitemap to google.

        That's it.

        For some reason, g has ranked the site and so has yahoo. There's very little traffic but people are clicking and buying the hosting.

        I'm pretty sure this is more of a fluke than anything but It's cool that it's happening ;-)

        ed
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    • Profile picture of the author sylviad
      Originally Posted by eddycole View Post

      You know what sells online?

      Crap.

      About 2 weeks ago I put up a crappy affiliate site filled with crappy PLR articles, got some links to the site from crappy social network and online bookmarking profiles then forgot about it for a week or so.

      I was amazed when order notifications started coming in - 14 in all so far for an aff product with a $100 payout!

      The traffic is coming from search engines and with such a crappy site and lo quality dupe content I expect the gravy train to leave the station soon, but nonetheless, it's taken me totally off guard. I'm glad I put up links to a high paying program rather than adsense ads or else I probably would have only made like a few bucks by now.

      ed
      See, this is the type of thing that gets people like the OP frustrated. We work hard to build a site with good content, find good affiliate products and start promoting. Months and years later, we still haven't seen a $100-day income from all that work.

      What makes your crappy 2-week-old site fly when ours don't?

      Clearly, you are doing something different and it's our job to figure out exactly what.

      To the OP, here are some of the things I discovered recently after going through years of what you describe. Perhaps it's time to look at your methods, as I am mine.

      If you are getting traffic and not making sales, take a look at your site to see what you must be missing. Traffic that is not targeted is useless. You might hit a few who just happen to see something they want, but in general, you want only targeted traffic. Then, make sure they can find it easily once they get to your site.

      These are the things I'm looking at that might help you, too:
      • landing page presentation - does it give big benefits and value? Capture visitor's attention quickly and hold it?
      • keyword relevance - are your keywords targeted to your product and filtered effectively throughout your site?
      • keyword relevance - are people using those words to find what you offer?
      • length of visit - if they leave quickly, they aren't finding what they want
      • easy to purchase - make the links visible
      • visitor interest - do they look around, sign up?
      • promotion methods - are they directed at the right audience in the right way?
      • the competition - what are they doing to get sales of your affiliate product or similar products?
      • how huge is the competition - maybe there are too many people in this niche promoting the same affiliate products.
      • What can you do to make your offer better - add quality bonuses that the competition doesn't have.
      Rather than jumping to another site or product (unless the competition is too big), work with what you have already created. Use it as your base and make it better. Work on nothing else until you either a) see it making money or b) decide it's a bad idea.

      Give it your all by modifying, improving and adjusting until you get it right. Look for information on how to do these things I've listed. Much of it comes down to copywriting and SEO. Focus on these, because it's not your offer - it's what you're doing (or not doing) to attract customers and make sales.

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    • Profile picture of the author KenJ
      Originally Posted by eddycole View Post

      You know what sells online?

      Crap.

      About 2 weeks ago I put up a crappy affiliate site filled with crappy PLR articles, got some links to the site from crappy social network and online bookmarking profiles then forgot about it for a week or so.

      I was amazed when order notifications started coming in - 14 in all so far for an aff product with a $100 payout!

      The traffic is coming from search engines and with such a crappy site and lo quality dupe content I expect the gravy train to leave the station soon, but nonetheless, it's taken me totally off guard. I'm glad I put up links to a high paying program rather than adsense ads or else I probably would have only made like a few bucks by now.

      ed

      Well Bully Bully Bully to you

      what a thoughtless post to make when you consider the OP!

      Don't tell us any details - just brag about your success - why don't you.

      I think far worse than this but I will button it cause I like it here
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    • Profile picture of the author Tim Brendel
      Originally Posted by richard655 View Post

      Hi Richard655 here. I know what you mean. I have gone 6 months with out a sale. But i broke the ice two weeks ago. First sale no website no blog, just the affiliate link the way clickbank gave it to me. As of today 4 sales still no website. I just rewrite other peoples articles. It seems to work for me. I hope you don't give up IM. Good Luck
      One thing is for sure, I WILL NEVER GIVE UP IM!

      Do you mind if I ask how you promote your affiliate link without a site or blog? Forum posts, or signatures Im thinking??? PPC Perhaps?
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  • Profile picture of the author elwissgerena
    Hey there,

    I could not help but reply to your post. I can understand where you are coming from. I too was frustrated with the lack of sales and traffic but over time I have learned that you have to keep things simple. What I mean by that is focus on one product that you truly believe in and become a customer yourself first before investing your time in marketing the program. Just ask yourself this," Why would I want to purchase this product? How can this product be beneficial to me? and finally, Is this product in high demand for the long haul?"

    My point is to become successful and make money you have to become truly knowledgeable of the product that you are marketing (Being a customer yourself etc.), Be enthusiastic and BELIEVE in your product. People will notice you more, respect you and go after you the more well-rounded you are with your product.

    So, my final advice to you is pick one business, try out the product and if you believe in the product than become a customer first and than start to market it. I hope this helps and good luck with your venture.
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    • Profile picture of the author Haltingpoint
      Originally Posted by kennycannon View Post

      BTW, I do this every day so it works. It's a little Blackhat but I dont really mind it because the people are looking for a job and they are submitting their resume to a new site and hopefully that will help them.
      A little blackhat? Correct me if I'm wrong (and I may be), but isn't that explicitly against the Craigslist rules?

      I've considered that tactic before but it just seems too unethical for me. I mean, really, what value are you adding in that instance?
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      • Profile picture of the author Jim Hallmark
        Dude check out this thread. It's about a guy on this forum named Buildingfutures with a similar problem. He hadn't made any money on the net in 3 years of effort. There's a lot of good information there for you if you'll take the time to absorb it.

        Good luck,
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        • Profile picture of the author Tim Brendel
          Originally Posted by Jim Hallmark View Post

          Dude check out this thread. It's about a guy on this forum named Buildingfutures with a similar problem. He hadn't made any money on the net in 3 years of effort. There's a lot of good information there for you if you'll take the time to absorb it.

          Good luck,
          Jim
          Thank you for that Jim. I actually have that thread bookmarked and have skimmed it several times. I will take you advice and thoroughly read it, and add it to the memory banks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tim Brendel
      Originally Posted by kennycannon View Post

      Here is a little tip...Make some money and you'll feel better. I know that sounds HORRIBLE to say, but it's true. Let me explain.

      Forget all that PPC, Hoplink, Blogging to the bank garbage and stick to direct selling.

      What I mean by direct selling is you actually go out and get the people to pay you.

      For example...Lets take an employment CPA offer (great time for this). There is a company that has an offer on CJ and I think its about $1.50 per resume submit.

      Post an ad on CL and say something like "Fortune 500 companies hiring in (city)" Then put something in the body of the ad like "Just because the Wall Street Journal says everyone is laying people off doesn't mean it's true. Companies are HIRING NOW. Email me for details".

      Everyone who emails you send them to the link and have them submit the resume. You should be able to make a few hundred dollars a week with little effort.

      NOW...

      If you REALLY want to make money do this, actually HIRE someone.
      Ad Title "Sales Position Just Opened - Salary + Commission"
      Ad Body "We are the number one manufacturing company in the Southeast. Located close to everything in downtown (city). We are looking to hire sales SUPERSTARS from any industry to start ASAP. Salary to 50K plus commission and benefits from day 1. Email resume for consideration."

      Now the response would be "Thanks for replying to our help wanted ad. We are still sorting through all the resumes and we are looking to choose 3 people by the end of the week. If you don't mind, can you please submit your resume DIRECTLY to us at (CPA offer link). This will speed up the process and move you to the front of the line.
      Speak to you soon,
      Joe Spiller
      Director of recruiting
      (company)"

      With that ad you will get HUNDREDS of responses. With that reply, you should get at least 75 submits. Post 20 ads a day in various cities and your good to go.

      Then at least you have money coming in. Then you can work on your other stuff.


      BTW, I do this every day so it works. It's a little Blackhat but I dont really mind it because the people are looking for a job and they are submitting their resume to a new site and hopefully that will help them.

      I'm all for dabbling a little bit into blackhat areas, but I wonder if my affilate manager would consider this shady and withhold payments. Don't they have the ability to track where incoming clicks come from? On second thought, they would just see it came from an email, no harm there I suppose?
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        • Profile picture of the author Haltingpoint
          Originally Posted by kennycannon View Post

          BTW, you never answered my questions about Clickbank.
          CB has products that are both ethical and unethical. It is your choice what side of the ethical spectrum you wish to conduct your business.
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    • Profile picture of the author Haltingpoint
      Originally Posted by kennycannon View Post

      No thats not against CL's rules at all. You are posting an ad for a job. Nothing says that you can't post an ad and be a "recruiter". Same thing.

      You're adding a lot of value. They are looking for a job (if they aren't they wouldnt have responded) and you are providing them with a resource that has what they are looking for.

      And they DONT have to pay for anything. Thats not unethical at all.
      Interesting, I could have sworn I read that it was against their ToS...oh well, learn something new every day.

      I'd like to rephrase my question though...if you were to tell the person who responded to one of your ads that you were getting paid to pass them on to a link of one of god knows how many of the free job sites exist online that are easily found with a quick search, that any person who is on CL is MORE than capable of doing....if you were to tell them that, would THEY agree that you were adding value?

      I guess I'm just struggling to see how something you yourself admit is black hat could be viewed as ethical under any light...isn't that kind of opposed to the very definition of black hat?

      ***EDIT***
      This was bugging me so I actually did go look at the CL ToS...to quote:
      You agree not to post, email, or otherwise make available Content:
      i) that is false, deceptive, misleading, deceitful, misinformative, or
      constitutes "bait and switch";
      k) that constitutes or contains "affiliate marketing," "link referral code,"
      "junk mail," "spam," "chain letters," "pyramid schemes," or unsolicited
      commercial advertisement;
      So if CL views your tactic negatively enough to prohibit it...I feel your argument for adding value is kind of weak sauce...
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    • Profile picture of the author Haltingpoint
      Originally Posted by kennycannon View Post

      I would consider the method mentioned black hat without a doubt.

      You are adding value because you are giving them something that they want. It doesn't matter who's getting paid or who's paying. The point is that the visitor isn't paying and they are getting something they want.

      The sites that pay are NOT the sites that are found easily online. Most of the sites that pay are the ones who simply collect all the jobs from the big sites and RSS them on there sites and fill the site with CPA's or adsense.

      They may pay you a dollar or two to get the person to sign up and submit a resume because they know that now they have a subscriber on their list and they can hammer him with "job updates" and more then likely get CPA money or adsense clicks.

      I don't want to offend anyone here or say this the wrong way, but the method I mentioned above IS Blackhat and is valuable to the visitor. If you think that the method is unethical what do you think of the 10,000+ ebooks on Clickbank that all basically say the same thing?
      So by your own description...the sites that harvest content from other sites are not legit or unique in and of themselves, and by definition add no value.

      Plus you are utilizing CL's server space for something that makes it more difficult for users to find job listings of value. Hmm...not sure you're making your point very well...

      But enough of the threadjacking...back to the topic at hand.
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      • Profile picture of the author Aare
        Originally Posted by Haltingpoint View Post

        So by your own description...the sites that harvest content from other sites are not legit or unique in and of themselves, and by definition add no value.

        Plus you are utilizing CL's server space for something that makes it more difficult for users to find job listings of value. Hmm...not sure you're making your point very well...

        But enough of the threadjacking...back to the topic at hand.
        i'm so much agree with you, all the content that copied from another website is not legit and unique one. You'll earn temporary legit visitor, and you'll lose all of them in days.

        CL also used by blackhatter cpa player... full of scam and fake things!
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    get a mentor. STAT!
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    only 2 years - why your just starting out (lol)

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  • Profile picture of the author RoyChan
    I hope I have a magic bullet for you, but nah, there isn't. I recommend you to check out the conduit site post, which itself is brilliant.

    It is sad to hear people spending 2 years on stuff and started to sort of "whine", but not exactly. If you were totally frustrated, you would have given up and not written the post.

    Someone suggested SBI! earlier in this thread. SBI is good by itself, but verbose for many and it requires you $299 per year. I have used the service and summarized it onto 1 page, which will give you some thoughts, that's the best thing I can offer you. See attached below. Forget the service, just read the concept it offers, I think that should give you some sort of blueprint to work out the things you have from the ebooks and marketing material. But forget all about that.

    Just think where is the money?

    It will be good if you can work out on; What do you sell? If it's adsense, why do you think you can pull the traffic that can sustain your internet livestyle? If it's affiliate income, why do people have to buy from your links and etc? What value do you provide to your visitors in order to buy it from you? Even it's adsense traffic, why do people have to click on "your site" to give you the ad money?

    The attached will give you some hint. It's not an ebook, but only an one page pdf, which I created mysef. A lot of my customers think it's of good value. See if it may help you as such
    It gives you a 10 step overview of a step by step approach to IM, and it does not involve selling reharsed marketing ebook

    http://thewealthyhub.com/vipdesk/dow...ses-10-day.pdf

    Regarding someone who asks what's the buying keywords. Just think what would you type in the search engine, if you need to buy something [xx] review, buy [xx], compare [xx] with [xyz], is [xx] scam, or does [xx] work... and etc. Those are buying keywords.

    A perfect example: I have been thinking of doing some video marketing, and some guy mentioned "the flip". I went to the search engine and typed "the flip" review, "the flip comment", "flip FAQ",... and etc. You get it. You don't want to advertise or make a website focusing on video marketing, but you would create websites reviewing "the flip", assuming you are not the one who makes video camera. If someone offers me some solution and gives me some review of something that is cheaper, better and easier to use than theflip and within the budget, I WILL seriously consider to buy it That's the qualifying a customer.

    What do you do for your normal 9 to 5? what kind of things people "buy" you for? That's a good place to start.

    Think the money is a flow - of idea/ desires.

    Hope it makes sense and give you some mental support

    Cheers

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  • Profile picture of the author Charann Miller
    Hey there,

    I recall reading a post similar to this from another member who was pretty much at the stage of destroying his computer from frustration and I can only give you the same advice I gave him.

    Find out what people want and just give it to them. Find out what people are searching for through Wordtracker, Google analytics search feature, Google trends.

    Then focus, pick one thing I see you've alot going on there with the Clickbank stuff, Adsense the websites and all the blogs.

    Pick one to really promote and do it. If you go with blogging do that. Spend your time creating content for it doing the RSS feed thing and just getting eyeballs to it then introduce products you can sell, monetize it. When that pulls in regular sales, work on your next blog. When you focus and get good at one thing it gets easier.

    Hope this helps a little.
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    good thread, thanks for the tips on here.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim Brendel
    Originally Posted by Traffic-Bug View Post

    Thanks for all the knowledge gained from knowledgeable folks on this thread! Sure is helping me
    I agree, I really cannot thank you all enough!
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim Brendel
    I want to answer a few of the PM's & questions above, and also put into perspective what I do daily fro my 9-5.

    I work in the IT field for a large hospital here in AZ. I do more support, and sales. I realize that the Spyware, Virus, Malware, etc market is pretty booming, there are lot's of affiliate products for this market, and I am extremly knowledable in the field.

    Would this be a good recommended field to start over in? I dont mean start over in the literal sense, I mean move forward with the fantastic advice I've been given here on the thread and this forum?
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  • Profile picture of the author ltate
    I am just starting and this does not look encouraging. I am not buying anything else, no support, just help tickets. No personal conversation. You know, though, this is fun. Just get away from it for a day or so and regroup. You're right all the e-books and the same ol', same ol' things in them are so repititous and boring. No new ideas. And if there could be one,it costs a fortune. I just lost @ 30K in the last "venture" MLM. DON'T DO THAT! Just take it easy.
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    • Profile picture of the author KenJ
      Hi up4bidz,

      I have read through this thread and I must put you right on something you have got completely wrong.

      You definitely can write
      , and very well at that.

      Your first post was just brilliant. I hate expletives and the like but I read the whole article.

      It is really a good example of how to write to a specific audience and get their attention.

      So unfortunately your writing is not the reason you have not made your first million as yet.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tim Brendel
        Originally Posted by kenj View Post

        Hi up4bidz,

        I have read through this thread and I must put you right on something you have got completely wrong.

        You definitely can write
        , and very well at that.

        Your first post was just brilliant. I hate expletives and the like but I read the whole article.

        It is really a good example of how to write to a specific audience and get their attention.

        So unfortunately your writing is not the reason you have not made your first million as yet.

        :O My First Million! I love the sound of that!

        Thanks for the compliment on my writing. Funny thing is that I wasn't trying to write good there, I was partly venting, & partly crying out for help.
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  • I feel you.

    My results have been a lot better than yours, but I haven't had a lot of success, either. My click-through ratio with AdSense is ridiculously low, and when someone actually buys a product it's like a major coup.

    The thing to think about is this: You're obviously not doing this for a living. If you can do it as a hobby and make $5 every day for the rest of your life, that adds up to a lot of money over time with interest compounding. Slow and steady wins the race, man. Keep trying.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
    Re the opening post, I can't figure out what it is you are selling.

    Are you selling people advice on how to make money when you haven't actually made any yourself online?

    If you are then I have no sympathy.

    However, the way to make money is to chose any one of about twenty million products that you could sell online. Find one that interests you or a niche that interests you and start by becoming an affiliate for a reputable product.

    By applying some very basic marketing skills you should at least be able to make a few hundred dollars a month. Then as you get better, you should comfortable be able to generate at least a $1,000 a month doing this kind of thing.

    Then you can progress even further and eventually get up to $1,000 a week etc.

    Don't try to make money by selling something that supposedly tries to teach others how to make money.

    Walk the walk and then you can talk the talk.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tim Brendel
      Originally Posted by Steadyon View Post

      Re the opening post, I can't figure out what it is you are selling.

      Are you selling people advice on how to make money when you haven't actually made any yourself online?

      If you are then I have no sympathy.

      However, the way to make money is to chose any one of about twenty million products that you could sell online. Find one that interests you or a niche that interests you and start by becoming an affiliate for a reputable product.

      By applying some very basic marketing skills you should at least be able to make a few hundred dollars a month. Then as you get better, you should comfortable be able to generate at least a $1,000 a month doing this kind of thing.

      Then you can progress even further and eventually get up to $1,000 a week etc.

      Don't try to make money by selling something that supposedly tries to tech other how to make money.

      Walk the walk and then you can talk the talk.


      Um, maybe you didn't read the entire thread and posts. Im not selling anything at all. I vented, and cried out for help and that it was I got - and then some! I would love to see some proof of your income since you seem to be so knowledgable on the subject. Im guessing you walk the walk and talk the talk since you wrote that?

      I realize that I SHOULD be making money online, but if you had read all my posts earlier, then you would see that I have jumped around alot from ebook to ebook trying too many things at once, and not sticking with one platform. I think that was my mistake (Atleast one of them)
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      • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
        Originally Posted by up4bidz View Post

        Um, maybe you didn't read the entire thread and posts. Im not selling anything at all. I vented, and cried out for help and that it was I got - and then some! I would love to see some proof of your income since you seem to be so knowledgable on the subject. Im guessing you walk the walk and talk the talk since you wrote that?

        I realize that I SHOULD be making money online, but if you had read all my posts earlier, then you would see that I have jumped around alot from ebook to ebook trying too many things at once, and not sticking with one platform. I think that was my mistake (Atleast one of them)
        Hi,

        I didn't read all the thread as it is a very rambling thread...

        Anyway, for your info, I won't say how much I earn as it is none of your business, or anyone else's in a public forum to be honest, but I generate all of my income from the internet.

        So as I said above and as many others have said, you need to find something of value to sell that you are interested in and find out whether you can become an affiliate and use PPC, or learn some SEO skills and build a website and sell from it etc.

        Probably the two most important things to know, is to not expect to be able to sell some repackaged rubbish and make sufficient money from it and secondly to know that the thing you are interested in selling has sufficient demand for it.

        There are many ways to see what the demand for something is. A couple of ways are to find the volume of searches for something, preferably buying keyword phrases, such as "dog leads for sale" or "arthritis health supplement" or whatever.

        Or you can create some PPC adds and offer them something, such as a short, free report about something connected to your product if they will complete a quick survey. Then you ask them your questions and see what answers you get back. This can be very valuable market research.

        Bear in mind that you have to ask the right questions to get the useful information.

        Anyway, there's are lots of places on the net and this forum that can give you more specific advice.

        If you really wanted a critique about why you haven't made money so far, you will have to divulge a bit more info on what you have done and any website you have created. In my humble opinion, you aren't losing anything by making this public, as you aren't making any sales, and it will be the quickest, no-bullshit way to get some real answers from the forum. That's if you were willing to disclose this information.

        Anyway, regarding talking the talk etc, all I was trying to say was that I think people selling "money" products should only sell them if they have made their money from things other than getting people to give them the money in the first place.

        It's a bit like the old chain letter scams along the lines of "Give me $10 dollars and I'll show you how to everyone to send you $10 dollars" etc...
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        • Profile picture of the author Tim Brendel
          Originally Posted by Steadyon View Post


          If you really wanted a critique about why you haven't made money so far, you will have to divulge a bit more info on what you have done and any website you have created. In my humble opinion, you aren't losing anything by making this public, as you aren't making any sales, and it will be the quickest, no-bullshit way to get some real answers from the forum. That's if you were willing to disclose this information.
          I'm not going to divulge that info for one reason only:

          Rather than keep focusing on what I've done in the past, I'm moving forward with some new ideas and techniques I have learned recently. What I've done in the past is irrelevant now because I'm not going to salvage any of my previous work (except for my newest blog).

          Thanks for your input Steadyon.

          P.S. Im really sorry you find this thread as rambling or drawn-out.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
            Up4Bidz...

            Here's the secret dude....

            Ready for it....

            Here it comes....

            THERE IS NO SECRET! Shocking, huh?

            The process is simple with almost every single thing that we do online to earn cash...

            Traffic ---- Content ----- $$$$$

            or

            Content ---- traffic ---- $$$$$

            That might be overly simplified, but for all intensive purposes it is pretty damn dead on! Anyone that tries to tell you that the process is complex or requires some super ninja tactic is pulling your leg.

            Now, with that being said... There are different ways to generate traffic and different ways to get your content, but at the end of the day...

            Article Marketing works
            PPC works
            Social traffic works

            Writing your own content works
            outsourcing the content works

            You see what I'm getting at here? All this stuff works, it is just a matter of which methods you are comfortable enough with to either perfect or become adequate in.

            Don't get caught up with the "latest and greatest" if you do, chances are good that at some point, you will end up throwing your computer out the window or try to shoot up a post office or something

            Pick a method that you are going to go with and beat the hell out of it for a solid month and see what happens...If you stick to a plan of action without deviating you will make money even if you do the wrong stuff half of the time.

            I think a lot of people over complicate the whole thing in their own head. Seriously, I think that the people that are not making cash think that there is some secret code to all of this when it reality it is nothing more than work ethic...and desire to see the money come in.

            You want to make $500 this month?

            Its easy, dude...

            Make 5 sites that are in the weight loss niche and sell them on site point - Money in the bank!

            Offer your writing services to people at 6 bucks an article and bang out about 50 of them - Money in the bank!

            Offer to do social bookmarking, RSS, and directory submissions using BigMikes software for $27 a pop - Money in the bank!

            Not only will you make cash right away by doing these things, but you will also get a bit of a free education in the process. You will see what niches people are hitting hard, how they are promoting them, and how much money they are willing to dump into the niche.

            I'm not saying that offering services is the only way to make money right away, because it's not. However, for some people it is the easiest way to make money right away, understand?

            Once you see the money sitting in your paypal account you will have a whole new understanding for the way money flows, and chances are your spirits and commitment to making a living online will be renewed at the same time.

            I hope this helped a little bit.

            Jeremy
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            • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
              Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

              Up4Bidz...

              Here's the secret dude....

              Ready for it....

              Here it comes....

              THERE IS NO SECRET! Shocking, huh?

              The process is simple with almost every single thing that we do online to earn cash...

              Traffic ---- Content ----- $$$$$

              or

              Content ---- traffic ---- $$$$$

              That might be overly simplified, but for all intensive purposes it is pretty damn dead on! Anyone that tries to tell you that the process is complex or requires some super ninja tactic is pulling your leg.

              Now, with that being said... There are different ways to generate traffic and different ways to get your content, but at the end of the day...

              Article Marketing works
              PPC works
              Social traffic works

              Writing your own content works
              outsourcing the content works

              You see what I'm getting at here? All this stuff works, it is just a matter of which methods you are comfortable enough with to either perfect or become adequate in.

              Don't get caught up with the "latest and greatest" if you do, chances are good that at some point, you will end up throwing your computer out the window or try to shoot up a post office or something

              Pick a method that you are going to go with and beat the hell out of it for a solid month and see what happens...If you stick to a plan of action without deviating you will make money even if you do the wrong stuff half of the time.

              I think a lot of people over complicate the whole thing in their own head. Seriously, I think that the people that are not making cash think that there is some secret code to all of this when it reality it is nothing more than work ethic...and desire to see the money come in.

              You want to make $500 this month?

              Its easy, dude...

              Make 5 sites that are in the weight loss niche and sell them on site point - Money in the bank!

              Offer your writing services to people at 6 bucks an article and bang out about 50 of them - Money in the bank!

              Offer to do social bookmarking, RSS, and directory submissions using BigMikes software for $27 a pop - Money in the bank!

              Not only will you make cash right away by doing these things, but you will also get a bit of a free education in the process. You will see what niches people are hitting hard, how they are promoting them, and how much money they are willing to dump into the niche.

              I'm not saying that offering services is the only way to make money right away, because it's not. However, for some people it is the easiest way to make money right away, understand?

              Once you see the money sitting in your paypal account you will have a whole new understanding for the way money flows, and chances are your spirits and commitment to making a living online will be renewed at the same time.

              I hope this helped a little bit.

              Jeremy
              Hey Jeremy what software is this? I'm on Linux (Ubuntu) and want to make sure ti will work. Is it windows based or browser based? Thanks man!
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            • Profile picture of the author Tim Brendel
              Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

              Up4Bidz...

              Here's the secret dude....

              Ready for it....

              Here it comes....

              THERE IS NO SECRET! Shocking, huh?

              The process is simple with almost every single thing that we do online to earn cash...

              Traffic ---- Content ----- $$$$$

              or

              Content ---- traffic ---- $$$$$

              That might be overly simplified, but for all intensive purposes it is pretty damn dead on! Anyone that tries to tell you that the process is complex or requires some super ninja tactic is pulling your leg.

              Now, with that being said... There are different ways to generate traffic and different ways to get your content, but at the end of the day...

              Article Marketing works
              PPC works
              Social traffic works

              Writing your own content works
              outsourcing the content works

              You see what I'm getting at here? All this stuff works, it is just a matter of which methods you are comfortable enough with to either perfect or become adequate in.

              Don't get caught up with the "latest and greatest" if you do, chances are good that at some point, you will end up throwing your computer out the window or try to shoot up a post office or something

              Pick a method that you are going to go with and beat the hell out of it for a solid month and see what happens...If you stick to a plan of action without deviating you will make money even if you do the wrong stuff half of the time.

              I think a lot of people over complicate the whole thing in their own head. Seriously, I think that the people that are not making cash think that there is some secret code to all of this when it reality it is nothing more than work ethic...and desire to see the money come in.

              You want to make $500 this month?

              Its easy, dude...

              Make 5 sites that are in the weight loss niche and sell them on site point - Money in the bank!

              Offer your writing services to people at 6 bucks an article and bang out about 50 of them - Money in the bank!

              Offer to do social bookmarking, RSS, and directory submissions using BigMikes software for $27 a pop - Money in the bank!

              Not only will you make cash right away by doing these things, but you will also get a bit of a free education in the process. You will see what niches people are hitting hard, how they are promoting them, and how much money they are willing to dump into the niche.

              I'm not saying that offering services is the only way to make money right away, because it's not. However, for some people it is the easiest way to make money right away, understand?

              Once you see the money sitting in your paypal account you will have a whole new understanding for the way money flows, and chances are your spirits and commitment to making a living online will be renewed at the same time.

              I hope this helped a little bit.

              Jeremy

              Jeremy,

              That actually helps alot and puts things into perspective for me. I want to think of the bigger picture though, as $500 a month selling sites on sitepoint wont pay all the bills. Of course, I also realize that I have to take "baby steps" so to speak - which I am working on now.

              One other thing, I saw that you had some very popular WSO's & just out of curiosity, which one would you recommend to start making money now?
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              • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
                up4bidz,

                Originally Posted by up4bidz View Post

                Jeremy,

                That actually helps alot and puts things into perspective for me. I want to think of the bigger picture though, as $500 a month selling sites on sitepoint wont pay all the bills. Of course, I also realize that I have to take "baby steps" so to speak - which I am working on now.

                One other thing, I saw that you had some very popular WSO's & just out of curiosity, which one would you recommend to start making money now?

                All of the things that I mentioned can be scaled

                For example...

                Do the first 5 sites on your own. When you collect the cash, take $150 of it and have 30 articles outsourced at $5 a piece and keep repeating the process.

                Same thing with the bookmarking stuff. Get some initial money and then outsource the whole thing to someone for about $5 an hour or maybe even less, which will give you a net profit of $22 per hour as long as you can line up 8 people a day for the service which should not be a problem.

                As far as my WSO's go or any of them for that matter...Don't buy anything else or buy into any more systems until you are sure which direction you want to go in.

                Feel free to shoot me a PM if you want to...Don't worry WF police force, I'm not trying to sell him anything Just trying to help him out.

                Jeremy
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          • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
            Originally Posted by up4bidz View Post

            I'm not going to divulge that info for one reason only:

            Rather than keep focusing on what I've done in the past, I'm moving forward with some new ideas and techniques I have learned recently. What I've done in the past is irrelevant now because I'm not going to salvage any of my previous work (except for my newest blog).

            Thanks for your input Steadyon.

            P.S. Im really sorry you find this thread as rambling or drawn-out.
            No problem. I understand.

            The thread is fine - I was just tired last night. I think I see why I got a little frustrated. Mainly because I was in the same boat a few years ago and that is that there are just so many things, methods, ideas and techniques that one can try and do on the internet, that we tend to move too far away from the basics. The basics are along the lines of:

            "find something that people are interested in, that they are willing to pay money for, and offer it to them in such a way that they will buy it and you are able to make a profit" etc.

            There are dozens of variations of wording of that phrase but that in a nutshell is it.

            We all tend to get distracted by the latest ideas, some of which are great, but if we move too far away from that basic statement above, we will lose focus and not get the rewards we think we deserve.

            We all do it. I still do it. But now I can see more quickly when I do it and I correct myself and my businesses etc.

            It's true, we do all have to learn to focus better. BUT I prefer to say "We have to focus better on the RIGHT things".

            Step 1)

            Learn to focus. This involves, self discipline, better management of our time and activities etc. Setting goals. Making plans. Breaking this down into step my step action steps we can take etc.

            Step 2)

            Learn all you can, buy books, read the forum, google, research, survey etc..etc.. Just so that you eventually develop the skills so that YOU KNOW WHAT TO FOCUS ON.

            I sincerely hope this helps.

            Best wishes.
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            • Profile picture of the author wackiin
              i going to have to try this myself some of you make it sound simple but i know it will be ALot of work to make the first 100
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    • Profile picture of the author Charles E. White
      Ok, Here is the big secret to internet marketing.......you can send me all the money you want because I am saving you thousands of dollars for this big secret when you see that it works.....ready?

      There is no big secret!

      There's nothing to buy, nothing to sell that is a big secret in internet marketing.

      Find your product, focus on it, then every day do something that promotes your product or website. Write articles, exchange links, add more content to your site, do anything that will get your more traffic or promote your product. Do it daily! Then test and test some more!

      It kills me because I remember wanting to find that big secret that was going to make me successful, the one big thing, you can look forever and ever and someday you'll realize there is no such thing.

      Then I even see in this thread someone going to sell the big secret...........here's a suggestion...save your damn money because there isn't any. Yes, there is software and products to make marketing easier in some cases but there is no one damn thing that is going to make you an instant success.

      If it wasn't for Allen Says and a post he made years ago, I would probably still be looking for that one big secret and like most never find it because there isn't one.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jenna Paulson
    I cant believe it took you 2 years to figure this out.


    Originally Posted by up4bidz View Post

    Godddddddddddddd! I can't take it anymore!

    I have tried everything to make money online, and all I got for my hard work is $34.94 from Adsense, and 1 $13.07 sale from clickbank over the course of 2 years. I spend ALL of my free time marketing online. I have several websites, several blogs, etc and NONE of them ever catch on amongst readers.

    All my content is original, but I don't feel like Im a great writer. I'm sooo tired of reading everyone's repetitive crap ebooks over and over......... I've been told to stick to one area of IM and master it, I've also been told to get my hands into every aspect all at once. It doesnt work. I get vistors (Nothing worth bragging about), but nothing converts, or they dont click my ads (and yes, I know about Adsense placements, and researching to find quality affiliate products that convert)

    What am I doing wrong? Why do you Warriors make money online (atleast claim you do) and I don't? I've follow gurus, and Warrior forum members, I've purchased the courses, and ebooks, and followed them to a T, I've taken action like you all have said to do....and still nothing works. Well guess what?????

    I HAVE FIGURED OUT THE SECRET TO INTERNET MARKETING!!!!!!!!

    HERE IT IS - ARE YOU READY?





    The secret is:

    Read lot's of other people's ebooks, and learn how to "Supposedly" make money online.

    Make lot's of websites and blogs pretending to make lot's of money doing the same thing.

    Do this to the point that you become somewhat of an expert and people will look up to you for guidance.

    Sell them your ebook, which is just another persons ebook rewritten and profit.

    Collect them on an email list and profit off them again by rewritting someone else ebook.

    Rinse and Repeat!

    Dammit!, Im Pissed
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    • Profile picture of the author Tim Brendel
      Originally Posted by Jenna Paulson View Post

      I cant believe it took you 2 years to figure this out.
      Actually, I've always suspected this to a point, but I either didn't want to believe it or figured it wasn't true. Honestly, it wasn't something I gave a whole lot of thought to.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    I sympathize with the creator of this thread and...

    I knew this thread would get a lot of views.

    Anyone care to view this thread?

    I guess it's at the opposite end of the spectrum.


    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...hos-fault.html

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    • Profile picture of the author Adrian Williams
      Hi up4bidz,

      I can understand your frustration but maybe Clickbank isn't the best place to start.

      I expect others may disagree with me here but if your just starting out and have little cash I would suggest making a review site and to become an Amazon affiliate.

      OK the commission isn't as good as Clickbank, we're talking 4% when you start out but people trust Amazon and their prices are competitive.

      I buy their stuff and sell it too.

      Granted there are some good products on Clickbank but in general people are more sceptical about buying when they don't really know the seller. Amazon sell both really cheap and really expensive goods.

      Cheap goods sell easy but there are some very expensive ones that get hardly any searches but at the same time have hardly anyone promoting them.

      I've found in situations like this you can get top spot on Google with a combination of good SEO and a handful of articles.

      Pick a niche and write 6 articles a week (one a day should take 45 to 90 minutes), three product reviews for your website and three articles for article sites.

      Do it for three to six months.

      Use product names in your titles.

      Use the Internet to find information on your chosen products so you can write your reviews.

      While you're doing this you can use AWSTATS in cpanel to find out what keywords your using to pull visitors.

      If you do this I don't see any reason why you wont start making consistent sales. When you start to see conversions, get more traffic to the reviews you've written that are making the sales.

      It works.

      Best of luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author tush
    All of these require great, if not decent writing ability. I don't think I have that. Maybe Im just down on myself, but I dont think people want to read what Im writing about, or it comes off corny to myself when I re-read what I wrote.

    Unless you over come this complex, you wont do much. Let me tell you a secret, you are what you confess. Yes you can write. Yes people would love to read your content. There is something you know that people would love to read, even pay for it. And, you have to be consistent with what you choose to do. master one skill before you go to the next.. and you know what, If your mind says so, you will.
    These two free books from my mentor, Dr. Ken Evoy will help boost your confidence:
    Make Your Knowledge Sell!
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    All the best
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Hoey
    Take a look at this guy YouTube - 15K a Month at Adsense
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  • Profile picture of the author Trieu
    Are you building a squeeze page or its just a content site with adsense? Perhaps its a good idea to show us your site so we can see what you been doing wrong
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  • Profile picture of the author tess47
    I actually think maybe you are making it too complicated.

    I did this myself before I finally started making money - I would try EVERYTHING I read, and it was really just too much confusion.

    Keep it simple - it works.

    I actually have 3 blogs that I have built on Blogger, all on different niches. I have used keywords that are in the somewhat middle ground (not highly competitive, but not really that long-tail either).

    Build a squidoo lens, a hubpage, and a weebly site linking to your blog.

    Write 2 or 3 articles every day for a couple of weeks, linking them to your blog. Use your chosen keywords as anchor text in your author box, and make sure your articles are compelling.

    If you don't start making money, I will be absolutely shocked!

    Try it - I think you will see that it works. Good luck
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    • Profile picture of the author Tim Brendel
      Originally Posted by tess47 View Post

      I actually think maybe you are making it too complicated.

      I did this myself before I finally started making money - I would try EVERYTHING I read, and it was really just too much confusion.

      Keep it simple - it works.

      I actually have 3 blogs that I have built on Blogger, all on different niches. I have used keywords that are in the somewhat middle ground (not highly competitive, but not really that long-tail either).

      Build a squidoo lens, a hubpage, and a weebly site linking to your blog.

      Write 2 or 3 articles every day for a couple of weeks, linking them to your blog. Use your chosen keywords as anchor text in your author box, and make sure your articles are compelling.

      If you don't start making money, I will be absolutely shocked!

      Try it - I think you will see that it works. Good luck

      Tess, are you making money with Adsense, Affiliate programs, both, none??


      Another question - When people say "Write articles", do they mean write them and post them to EZA and other directories, or make Squidoo lenses and Blogger blogs and post them there?
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  • Profile picture of the author Pat Ordenes
    chin up mate...
    It will get beeter if you keep at it... sometimes it just takes a bit longer, thats all...
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  • Profile picture of the author Mangozoom
    In all honesty my breakthough came in the last two years and I spent a couple before that frustrated as hell.

    You have obviously understood some foundational stuff and maybe as one of my fellow warriors mentioned you could get a mentor with a proven track record

    Hope you get through this and thanks for being honest

    JOHN
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  • Profile picture of the author Simon74
    Hi up4bidz,

    I have been in your same position in the past, I was buying every courses and ebooks that where available to make money online, but doing so I was going from one opportunity to another one and not achieving nothing at all. What I have learned over my experience you need to find a mentor copy what his doing and I am sure you will be successful on IM. That what I have done and now I am working from home and loving it.

    Don't give up keep believing in yourself and you will succeed.

    All the best,
    Simon
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
    The big secret is work hard at it and become 100% obsessed for 1 full year. After that, it only gets easier. Most people aren't 100% obsessed and do whatever it takes (within moral and reason) to succeed and go about it "half-aced". The guys I've personally seen obsess about it and work extremely long hours always are the guys succeeding after that first year.

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  • Profile picture of the author dwshoup
    Originally Posted by up4bidz View Post

    Godddddddddddddd! I can't take it anymore!

    I have tried everything to make money online, and all I got for my hard work is $34.94 from Adsense, and 1 $13.07 sale from clickbank over the course of 2 years. I spend ALL of my free time marketing online. I have several websites, several blogs, etc and NONE of them ever catch on amongst readers.

    All my content is original, but I don't feel like Im a great writer. I'm sooo tired of reading everyone's repetitive crap ebooks over and over......... I've been told to stick to one area of IM and master it, I've also been told to get my hands into every aspect all at once. It doesnt work. I get vistors (Nothing worth bragging about), but nothing converts, or they dont click my ads (and yes, I know about Adsense placements, and researching to find quality affiliate products that convert)

    What am I doing wrong? Why do you Warriors make money online (atleast claim you do) and I don't? I've follow gurus, and Warrior forum members, I've purchased the courses, and ebooks, and followed them to a T, I've taken action like you all have said to do....and still nothing works. Well guess what?????

    I HAVE FIGURED OUT THE SECRET TO INTERNET MARKETING!!!!!!!!

    HERE IT IS - ARE YOU READY?





    The secret is:

    Read lot's of other people's ebooks, and learn how to "Supposedly" make money online.

    Make lot's of websites and blogs pretending to make lot's of money doing the same thing.

    Do this to the point that you become somewhat of an expert and people will look up to you for guidance.

    Sell them your ebook, which is just another persons ebook rewritten and profit.

    Collect them on an email list and profit off them again by rewritting someone else ebook.

    Rinse and Repeat!

    Dammit!, Im Pissed
    Chill, step back and re-examine what you are doing. you cannot spread yourself too thin. A very successful marketer told me one time to look for a niche with little or no competition. Make sure there is a market though. Then get ahold of some plr material for that niche. Create your product and put it on clickbank. Let affiliates drive your traffic. You then build a list while selling your first product. Create a second product related to the first and market that product to your list(who are already buying customers) and they will be more receptive to buy from you as long as the product they already bought from you was a quality product. Rinse and repeat you are on your way.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bryan Kumar
    You wanna know what the big secret to financial (or any other) success is?

    If you've been a Warrior Forum member for a while, it's actually no secret, because we've been talking about this stuff since the early days.

    And I know that many who read this will roll their eyes and go, "Jeez, not this c*ap again!"

    But, believe it or not, this is the secret.

    Ready?

    It's your mindset!

    That's what you need to focus on most. Unless you change and improve on that, no marketing or money making product will help. None!

    I know coz I've been there.

    I've bought and tried more business and moneymaking courses that I'd like to admit to.

    A lot of them were pure junk. But NOT all of them. Some of them really had a good, solid plan of how to make money.

    But, it didn't matter. My mind wasn't ready for success.

    I wasn't ready for wealth.

    You can search for the magic bullet all your life.

    And when you get tired, come back and read what I said above. And start working on it.

    Once you start to adopt the success / wealth / abundance mindset, I can bet that the very next moneymaking idea you try will make you more money than any of the previous ones you've tried.

    Article marketing works, affiliate marketing works, Arbitrage works, authority sites work, SEO works. Heck they all work for those who work it long enough to see any real, measurable results.

    But none of them will work unless your mind's ready for success.

    You've gotta start brainwashing yourself to get rid of the mass mentality. And, you've gotta make it a priority.

    Bryan
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    • Profile picture of the author GlenHopkins
      Originally Posted by Bryan Kumar View Post

      You wanna know what the big secret to financial (or any other) success is?

      If you've been a Warrior Forum member for a while, it's actually no secret, because we've been talking about this stuff since the early days.

      And I know that many who read this will roll their eyes and go, "Jeez, not this c*ap again!"

      But, believe it or not, this is the secret.

      Ready?

      It's your mindset!

      That's what you need to focus on most. Unless you change and improve on that, no marketing or money making product will help. None!

      I know coz I've been there.

      I've bought and tried more business and moneymaking courses that I'd like to admit to.

      A lot of them were pure junk. But NOT all of them. Some of them really had a good, solid plan of how to make money.

      But, it didn't matter. My mind wasn't ready for success.

      I wasn't ready for wealth.

      You can search for the magic bullet all your life.

      And when you get tired, come back and read what I said above. And start working on it.

      Once you start to adopt the success / wealth / abundance mindset, I can bet that the very next moneymaking idea you try will make you more money than any of the previous ones you've tried.

      Article marketing works, affiliate marketing works, Arbitrage works, authority sites work, SEO works. Heck they all work for those who work it long enough to see any real, measurable results.

      But none of them will work unless your mind's ready for success.

      You've gotta start brainwashing yourself to get rid of the mass mentality. And, you've gotta make it a priority.

      Bryan

      This is so VERY true. Having a success mindset is the underlying foundation to everything. In my opinion and experience persisence is key. When you fall down, get back up, re-evaluate and get going again! Below is an excerpt on persistence taken from my book "Lucrative List Building" that some may like...

      One of the keys to being successful in anything you do is persistence.
      Once you have determined exactly what it is you want to accomplish, you
      must take massive action on a consistent, persistent basis in order to
      succeed. Think of it like building a muscle. If you have never weight
      trained before, the first time you walk into a gym, chances are you will
      not be able to bench press 250 lbs. However, if you are persistent, and
      you consistently go back to the gym, you will find yourself getting
      stronger and closer to your goal with each and every visit.

      One of the things you'll notice on your journey towards your goal, are
      roadblocks. That is, you will encounter obstacles that seem to jump out
      of nowhere in an attempt to halt your progress. Count on these obstacles.
      They are a part of life. Everyone would have every success they ever
      wanted if there were no obstacles. Your job is to be persistent and work
      through those obstacles. If you find little or no obstacles along the
      way, chances are you are not really challenging yourself. And when you do
      reach your goal, you won't experience the feeling of 'sweet success'.
      Make your goal a challenging one!

      If you take the time to study any successful person, you will learn that
      the vast majority of them have had more 'failures' than they have had
      'successes'. This is because successful people are persistent; the more
      they stumble and fall, the more they get right back up and get going
      again. On the other hand, people that don't get back up and try again,
      never reach success. For example, Walt Disney was turned down 302 times
      before he got financing for his dream of creating the "Happiest Place on
      Earth". Today, due to his persistence, millions of people have shared
      'the joy of Disney'. Colonel Sanders spent two years driving across the
      United States looking for restaurants to buy his chicken recipe. He was
      turned down 1,009 times! How successful is Kentucky Fried Chicken today?

      Having said this, keep in mind that you must constantly reevaluate your
      circumstances and the approach you are using to reach your goal. There is
      no sense in being persistent at something that you are doing incorrectly!
      Sometimes you have to modify your approach along the way. Every time you
      do something you learn from it, and therefore find a better way to do it
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  • Profile picture of the author simpleonline1234
    The secret to success are this...

    1) Find a niche market to dive into (something that is highly searched for but have low competition.)
    2) Find the keywords that you can easily rank for in Google (or within the near future).
    3) Choose keywords that are worth something as far as PPC goes.

    Note: When choosing keywords use a backwards approach and try to think like a searcher as to what people would type into Google to find that niche. Research the keywords to find the ones that have the highest search rate and the lowest competition and create one page/post dedicated to each keyword.

    Rinse and repeat for each keywords until you have as many angles as possible to pull in your searchers.

    The REAL secret to ranking high in Google for organic traffic is backlinks. Not just backlinks but backlinks that are anchor-text one way backlinks from sites that have PR3/4 or above that are relative to your site in content.

    As far as getting your site out there do some mass article marketing, etc and research your competitions one-way links and send them emails to see if you can either buy a one way link to a post of your choice or if you create a one way link on one of your post to their site if they would do the same to another seperate post from their site to yours. (giving some google juice).

    Don't attempt to setup yoru Adsense on that site until you see that your traffic has gone 80-90% organic to prevent having your entire Adsense account smart priced. (reducing your cost per click ratio).

    Once that's achieved the 80% to 90% organic traffic setup Adsense and sit back and start racking in the dough...

    Be sure to setup analytics to tap into the market and let them create the keywords for your new pages/posts.

    That's the entire secret to it all. Hope i don't get shot for exposing that info.. hehe..
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  • Profile picture of the author Ephrils
    I've been in this about as long as you and only recently am I to a point where I really know and understand everything I'm doing and why. Each project builds on the last, failure or success.

    At the moment I've got a lot of failures, but I know I'm not alone in things that just didn't work out.

    No one's going to give you the keys to the Kingdom, and if they did, how would you know? Would you understand the value in it? Can you put that key into a door and MAKE things happen?

    A lot of people stumble over success, then they pick themselves up and carry on like it didn't happen. So pay attention to your old projects and mistakes, one of those mistakes may be the trigger that makes everything click.
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  • Profile picture of the author DavidTheMavin
    I totally agree with the OP as that in the 10 years I've been doing this I've never see so much BS and hype. I also agree with Ephrils though, and you've actually got to learn something and take that knowledge (which is often found through trial and error) and make some money from it.
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