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Rinse and repeat? seriously?

by zaco
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Hey Warriors,

I have noticed that alot of successful and advanced Warriors have been recommending the "Rinse and Repeat" method..it does work but I don't think it is the right way to do things even if you are making money from this method.

Here is an example, I have seen everybody saying rinse and repeat when it comes for Amazon sites, alot of marketers are affiliates with Amazon and they are creating those ugly mini sites with few pages and then repeating the same thing using the same themes.. style .. everything..it just looks so ugly! there is no creativity in them, just build sites on EMD domains and threw them online and build your sites "empire" , that is one of the reasons why Google keeps changing the algorithms, they are not providing any quality! its exactly like spamming, who cares about the visitors or how they see the site or what content do I have, as long as I am ranking then who cares right?

Today I was looking at a niche and I noticed most of the sites that I have visited are using the ugly wordpress theme where you have a video on the top right and a list of unorganized reviews on the first page with read review button or buy button, almost 90% of the sites has that theme, the writing is horrible , everything abt the sites is horrible and it is because their owners call themselves "Marketers"

To be a Marketer you need to understand and respect your visitors, maybe u r making money for now but on the long run u r sites will lose their rankings and you will come here crying why it happened, some Marketers are just ruining the whole IM idea! no creativity at all , just copy copy copy then Google is filled with the same BS, I got annoyed by all crap results that I got and went to use Bing which had better results!

If you are doing this then you should change your methods..there is nothing wrong with repeating your marketing tactics but do not copy everything and change words and expect to rank in Google

Maybe I am pissed off because those sites are ranking in every niche I want to go in and I can't?? lol jk

Thanks
#repeat #rinse
  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
    Who is to say? The markets change rapidly, yes they are ugly and yes they make money. Everyone is going to follow what is making money, so if you don't make yours before google changes the rules your out.

    There is no sense in trying to change it cause it will happen, plus people always develop the autobots to automate these websites and scrape other sites while inserting your information. Its going to happen so make as much money as you can before google changes everything up.

    PPC used to be great, adsense used to be great, ebay used to be great, they all have one thing in common, they were flooded and the money got harder to get.

    Now I do not do automation or do ugly sites, I do plain sites though to not take away from the content. But I have no problem with these other people making a buck and knowing that buck will stop soon. If your not using these methods then you shouldnt care about google changing the rules as it shouldnt effect you if your putting up quality content.
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    • Profile picture of the author zaco
      Originally Posted by hustlinsmoke View Post

      Who is to say? The markets change rapidly, yes they are ugly and yes they make money. Everyone is going to follow what is making money, so if you don't make yours before google changes the rules your out.

      There is no sense in trying to change it cause it will happen, plus people always develop the autobots to automate these websites and scrape other sites while inserting your information. Its going to happen so make as much money as you can before google changes everything up.

      PPC used to be great, adsense used to be great, ebay used to be great, they all have one thing in common, they were flooded and the money got harder to get.

      Now I do not do automation or do ugly sites, I do plain sites though to not take away from the content. But I have no problem with these other people making a buck and knowing that buck will stop soon. If your not using these methods then you shouldnt care about google changing the rules as it shouldnt effect you if your putting up quality content.
      Everbody would love to make money, but from your post you are only concerned about money, its not about Google only, its about creativity , respecting your users.. I am not a saint but I feel disrespected if I go to Google and find half of the results are rubbish and people just write rubbish to sell, maybe that's only me !

      People can do a better job, more creative , better quality and maintain their earnings..if some people keep building those rubbish sites and Google keeps them in the results then people will start going to the site directly instead of using Google " I am talking about Amazon sites" .. why do I need to look for a review if most of the webmasters are creating content that doesn't provide any valuable information...THAT WILL leave an impact on all marketers because visitors won't trust anything! u just want to use them to sell and u refuse to deliver what they are looking for!

      Its the same as u r in a job getting paid and doing nothing, how would you feel? you are successful? ha? no..you know ur just making money and u r scared at some point the company will notice and bring someone creative and does the real work..

      Remember customer first

      Btw I am not referring to you, I am referring to people who use such methods
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      • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
        Did you not read, I do not do automation any longer but I have no beef with people that do, its not spamming, you may see it as spamming but how bout twitter do you use it to market, do you call that spamming. Some things people do they do, doesnt mean I have to do it or agree with what they are doing but its going to happen.

        As I said if you build quality then you have nothing to worry about, everything that I have done in the past that is black or gray hat isnt working any longer it never does for long, All the quality sites I have built are still there and working.

        Originally Posted by zaco View Post

        Everbody would love to make money, but from your post you are only concerned about money, its not about Google only, its about creativity , respecting your users.. I am not a saint but I feel disrespected if I go to Google and find half of the results are rubbish and people just write rubbish to sell, maybe that's only me !

        People can do a better job, more creative , better quality and maintain their earnings..if some people keep building those rubbish sites and Google keeps them in the results then people will start going to the site directly instead of using Google " I am talking about Amazon sites" .. why do I need to look for a review if most of the webmasters are creating content that doesn't provide any valuable information...THAT WILL leave an impact on all marketers because visitors won't trust anything! u just want to use them to sell and u refuse to deliver what they are looking for!

        Its the same as u r in a job getting paid and doing nothing, how would you feel? you are successful? ha? no..you know ur just making money and u r scared at some point the company will notice and bring someone creative and does the real work..

        Remember customer first

        Btw I am not referring to you, I am referring to people who use such methods
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        • Profile picture of the author zaco
          Originally Posted by hustlinsmoke View Post

          Did you not read, I do not do automation any longer but I have no beef with people that do, its not spamming, you may see it as spamming but how bout twitter do you use it to market, do you call that spamming. Some things people do they do, doesnt mean I have to do it or agree with what they are doing but its going to happen.

          As I said if you build quality then you have nothing to worry about, everything that I have done in the past that is black or gray hat isnt working any longer it never does for long, All the quality sites I have built are still there and working.
          You shouldn't have a beef but you should disagree strongly in my opinion but its up to you , if someone scraped your content then you wouldn't have a problem with that? if anybody use twitter then they should provide value in their tweets, imagine someone tweeting your tweets, exactly the same but they have their site or affiliate link there, would u still see it as okay?

          I agree with you on the quality but I wish everybody would agree since its giving the IM a really bad name
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    • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
      Originally Posted by hustlinsmoke View Post

      Who is to say? The markets change rapidly, yes they are ugly and yes they make money. Everyone is going to follow what is making money, so if you don't make yours before google changes the rules your out.
      And if you do make yours, you are still out when Google changes the rules. Seriously, why not create something of value that will last. You need then be far less concerned about Google's algorithm changes.

      Will
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  • Profile picture of the author Wilton White
    I believe that those sites will begin to lose their rankings in the future for the very reasons that you mention: they are not providing quality content that is unique and relevant to the niche. You can go up against these sites by properly structuring your site in a way that provides all of the quality and relevance that those sites do not.

    It may take a while for Google's algorithms to sift through and adjust the rankings of the flood of poorly developed, cookie-cutter affiliate/review sites. However, I would not let that stop you from working on a quality site right now!

    I just left a review for an excellent WSO course (Niche Evaluation Storm) that may help you in your endeavors.

    Enjoy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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    Originally Posted by zaco View Post


    Maybe I am pissed off because those sites are ranking in every niche I want to go in and I can't?? lol jk

    Thanks
    Which begs the question....why would anyone take your advice if it doesn't even work for you, lol?
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    • Profile picture of the author zaco
      Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

      Which begs the question....why would anyone take your advice if it doesn't even work for you, lol?
      lol I didn't go into these niches, I have one and I am working on it.. actually it would be a good idea if I go to these niches and provide quality content, with all the rubbish sites out there then I have a big chance to succeed but I don't want to get distracted and start working on 10 projects then never finish any ..
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      • Profile picture of the author Sojourn
        Originally Posted by zaco View Post

        .. actually it would be a good idea if I go to these niches and provide quality content, with all the rubbish sites out there then I have a big chance to succeed but I don't want to get distracted and start working on 10 projects then never finish any ..
        EXACTLY!

        Don't let those thin sites fool you. Just because they're at the top of Google for "such and such reviews" does not mean there isn't room for a quality site even if you can't beat their purchased-backlink, #1 ranking campaigns right away.

        In my experience, the generic review phrase like "such and such reviews" have a lower conversion rate than more specific search phrases - particularly "product name reviews". I've studied a number of niches where similar sites rank at the top of Google and the majority of them don't rank well at all for the product name related searches.

        In addition, it takes great site navigation to help visitors go from those generic review phrases to being able to make a buying decision and most sites don't structure their navigation in a way that helps their site visitors find the content they want.

        Better yet, if you can tell the site material is junk, don't you think people who are really researching the niche can tell, too? They'll keep looking until they find the site that gives them answers to their questions. Just be that site.

        It's one thing to build a site to just drive traffic to Amazon and hope for the opportunity sale but it's another to actually provide a service to people in those niches. There's always room for sites that go the extra mile because it's a level of commitment most people won't put forth.
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  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
    Okay let me try another example. I am making thousands a month right now on ebay, anyone can do it and can not believe I did not or someone did not think of it sooner.

    Some people would consider that spamming. I put up about 20 ads a day, I used to do ten but people watch and rinse and repeat. But right now I'm making about 3,000 a month and about to up the volume tremendously. I don't even have a product, nope, no ebook, no product at all. I sell one small line of text is all.

    I know that won't last as alot of thiings on ebay have came to a halt. But I'm making good money and Im not going to stop. Two more sellers have caught on so I would imagine more will. I am sure ebay will change the rules on us sometime or it will get so flooded I won't see but 1 or 2 sales a week which I'm still good with since a sale is 125 .00 a pop.

    Some would call that blackhat spamming ect. But the customer knows exactly what I'm offering and knows what there getting.
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  • Profile picture of the author johan_malmo
    I agree... too many "copy paste" websites out there just to make a few $ each month.. isn't it better to have like a few "real" websites thats actually making you money? I also think it's easier to handle 10 quality websites then handling 1000 crap ones..
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Have a dig around this forum, and you'll find a few threads titled...

    "I have 60 websites that aren't making any money, what should I do with them?"
    "Ive got all these useless domains, should I sell them..?"
    "What to do with 20 Wordpress blogs. Ive lost interest, should i try and flip them..?"

    Classic examples of people thinking they can simply, throw a site together in 20 minutes, blast useless backlinks all over the place, then "rinse and repeat"

    These sites, are useless. They offer no value to the web.

    Which in a sense is probably what "rinse and repeat" really symbolizes.
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  • Profile picture of the author ErikNilsson
    Those type of sites are useless you can't make much money with them in longterm.I don't know why people will buy such type of sites.Offer a site with good content it will automatically reach the charts.

    @jhonny you better sell those sites and get your money back.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
      Originally Posted by ErikNilsson View Post

      @jhonny you better sell those sites and get your money back.
      What??? :confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author onSubie
    Hi

    You aren't talking about "rinse and repeat", you are talking about quality content and trying to make money from affiliate sites.

    "Rinse and repeat" only comes into play after you are successful. Why would you "rinse and repeat" an unsuccessful model?

    A car dealer ship has a successful model. They get a quality car at a wholesale price, they advertise to their market until they find a buyer and sell the car. That's all well and good, but one car sale won't sustain the business. So a car dealer must "rinse and repeat" that model to continue to acquire cars at wholesale and continue to sell them to multiple and repeated buyers.

    That's the same for websites. If your business is running websites and you find a successful model, you could replicate it to increase income.

    Now you could replicate entire sites so you have a little adsense/Amazon empire of 50 sites. Or you could replicate what works (content & monetization) on a few larger authoity sites.

    Maybe you found a killer method of creating traffic. Of course you would "rinse and repeat" that method for more than one of your websites.

    "Rinse and repeat" doesn't necessarily mean "rinse and repeat crap". It implies being successful at something and then repeating that.

    Mahlon
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  • Profile picture of the author sriram rajan
    Times change and Google has to keep up with it to be best and most used search engine... they cannot ignore the power of FB for long and hence the weightage to social media and introduction of google + .....people who did EMD and made their money, well good for them.. For some one like me starting out the way to go is authority sites focused on only 2-3 niches , it is easier to maintain, but harder to create, so we have to more patient. But you can leverage authority sites much more than a EMD mini site can be, you can put up your books, may be speaking gigs etc if you want to go all in for it ..it is possible more than ever .
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by onSubie View Post

      Hi

      You aren't talking about "rinse and repeat", you are talking about quality content and trying to make money from affiliate sites.

      "Rinse and repeat" only comes into play after you are successful. Why would you "rinse and repeat" an unsuccessful model?

      A car dealer ship has a successful model. They get a quality car at a wholesale price, they advertise to their market until they find a buyer and sell the car. That's all well and good, but one car sale won't sustain the business. So a car dealer must "rinse and repeat" that model to continue to acquire cars at wholesale and continue to sell them to multiple and repeated buyers.

      Mahlon
      Mahlon, I'm going to take your example a step further.

      Look at the uber-successful car dealers. They don't sell just one make of car. They hold distributorships for several makes. Not too many miles away, there's a dealer who handles Porsche, Audi and BMW. He's figured out how to successfully sell a specific type of car to a particular market segment. He has another dealership that handles more economy-targeted models.

      The 'rinse and repeat' came from a) extending his market reach by handling multiple product lines and b) reaching new markets by applying what he's learned about product/market match.

      Under the model zaco was ranting about, he would have set up one dingy little 'buy here, pay here' junker lot, then followed that up by putting similar lots on any corner he could find, hoping to eke out a few sales from each.

      Like so many of these rants, the problem isn't in the principle. It's in the implementation and execution.
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  • Profile picture of the author TBInternetMarketing
    Originally Posted by zaco View Post

    do not copy everything and change words and expect to rank in Google
    I don't think they mean copy when they say rinse and repeat. They mean that you should just scale up something that is working. So in other words, use the same model, not just copy and paste.
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  • Profile picture of the author xxxJamesxxx
    If you find a system that works for you and you and it's scaleable... Then yeah... Rinse that bad boy to scale up your income.

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  • Profile picture of the author Domainate
    The things that are ethically strong and the things that make money sometimes overlap - it sounds like you want to find that overlap. Not everything that makes money involves putting junk on the net or blackhatting or whatnot.
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  • Profile picture of the author alfredpereira
    I think this rinse and repeat problem is partially caused by a "marketing frenzy". The web is dominated by ultra huge sites, such as big social networks, big videogame sites, youtube, etc, etc. so its hard for everyone else to even get seen at all. Some people take time to build nice sites in their niches (the right thing to do) but others become a bit desperate and start making those awful minisites you complained about. But realistically speaking, how effective are those ugly minisites? While annoying, don't realy get too mad at them. Most arent really earning anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    The copy and paste rinse and repeaters will make the quick buck but are always one step away from losing it all.

    If those types of sites are not your thing, try a more authority type of approach. Build a content filled site and continue to build.

    Mini sites can not stand up to authority but ... Most of the mini sites are targeting keywords that do not merit spending a lot of time building authority.

    Mini sites should be third or fourth tier on your funnel .. not your funnel.
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  • Profile picture of the author zaco
    Thank you guys for the replies, Yea as most of u said the rinse and repeat is not copying.. which makes sense but alot of marketers will do the opposite lol but its up to them at the end of the day..

    Thanks again!
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