The Real Reasons Google Killed SOPA/PIPA

by sbucciarel Banned
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I thought this was a very interesting article in Forbes Tech. I had just sent a bunch of DMCAs to Google and Google Adsense for links to a pirated product of mine and got back a response from Google saying, we don't see any copyright infringement. It read like a pasted response and was the first time that I had sent DMCAs to Google that I got such a response. So I wrote an article on Google Profiting from Piracy with screenshots of Adsense ads displayed all over the links to pirated products that had been reported to Google to no avail.

Read the full article here: The Real Reasons Google Killed SOPA/PIPA - Forbes

Why Google Sees Effective Property Rights Enforcement as a Mortal Threat

1. Google Copies the Whole Internet
2. Google is the World's-Leading Internet Navigation Tool
3. Google Has the World's Worst Theft/Piracy Track Record
4. Google's Business Model Fuels Piracy
5. Google's Innovation Model Depends on Property Infringement
#google #killed #real #reasons #sopa or pipa
  • Profile picture of the author logoonlinepros1
    Totally true... That's really a big reason which is risky for google first. Becuase they do so many thing according to this act SOPA.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
    Well I'm glad to hear that, the SOPA/PIPA Bill needed to be destroyed actually.
    And to know that Google had a huge effect then that's even more of a relief.

    I agree Google's model is based on what you stated. Makes total sense!
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Kal Sallam View Post

      Well I'm glad to hear that, the SOPA/PIPA Bill needed to be destroyed actually.
      And to know that Google had a huge effect then that's even more of a relief.

      I agree Google's model is based on what you stated. Makes total sense!
      I agree that SOPA/PIPA needed to be shelved, but I'm not opposed to anti-piracy legislation that isn't over-reaching, if there is such an animal.
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    • Profile picture of the author Keith Green
      Well, whenever I send DMCA takedown notice for my contents, I never receive any response from any file hosting site.
      Even I check back later and my contents are not removed. I think I am doing something wrong while sending DMCA takedown notice.

      Can you please tell me how do you do it?
      Do you send DMCA takedown notice manually or you use a software?
      Which is the best software for sending DMCA takedown notice?

      Thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Keith Green View Post

        Well, whenever I send DMCA takedown notice for my contents, I never receive any response from any file hosting site.
        Even I check back later and my contents are not removed. I think I am doing something wrong while sending DMCA takedown notice.

        Can you please tell me how do you do it?
        Do you send DMCA takedown notice manually or you use a software?
        Which is the best software for sending DMCA takedown notice?

        Thanks
        You will need to find out who hosts the website and that is easily found out using this website: http://who-hosts.com/. The host is who you will send the take down notice to, as they are the ones who are hosting copyrighted material. In the case of the file lockers, just send it to them. They usually have a DMCA contact email on their site.

        Here's the sample DMCA

        To: HOSTING COMPANY
        cc: Google, Inc.

        My name is YOUR NAME and I am the owner of COMPANY OR WEBSITE. A website that your company hosts (according to WHOIS information) is infringing on at least eleven copyrighted articles owned by my company. He purchased the site from me and after launching it, requested a refund from Paypal, which was granted. After refunding, I informed him that he no longer had license to use the Woo theme under my developers license or the content that came with the site. He refused to remove the theme and content. You can see the Paypal transaction plus refund at PAYPAL PROOF SCREENSHOT. You can also see the site he purchased from my site here: http://nichebloggingtreasure.com/cat...tfitness/yoga/. This is my business, and my intellectual property and can only be used for personal use if purchased from me.

        Therefore, the articles are copied onto your servers without permission and he is even hotlinking to my images that I purchased from iStockphoto without an iStockphoto license to use them. He is also using a custom made Woo theme designed for me without my permission from me or without a valid license from Woo to use the Woo theme.

        These articles are being used without permission or attribution. The original articles and photos, to which we own the exclusive copyrights, and the infringing copies can be found at:

        URLS OF YOUR MATERIAL AND URLS OF INFRINGING MATERIAL

        This letter is official notification under Section 512(c) of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (”DMCA”), and I seek the removal of the aforementioned infringing material from your servers. I request that you immediately notify the infringer of this notice and inform them of their duty to remove the infringing material immediately, and notify them to cease any further posting of infringing material to your server in the future.

        Please also be advised that law requires you, as a service provider, to remove or disable access to the infringing materials upon receiving this notice. Under US law a service provider, such as yourself, enjoys immunity from a copyright lawsuit provided that you act with deliberate speed to investigate and rectify ongoing copyright infringement. If service providers do not investigate and remove or disable the infringing material this immunity is lost. Therefore, in order for you to remain immune from a copyright infringement action you will need to investigate and ultimately remove or otherwise disable the infringing material from your servers with all due speed should the direct infringer, your client, not comply immediately.

        I am providing this notice in good faith and with the reasonable belief that rights my company owns are being infringed. Under penalty of perjury I certify that the information contained in the notification is both true and accurate, and I have the authority to act on behalf of the owner of the copyright(s) involved.

        Should you wish to discuss this with me please contact me directly.

        Thank you.
        YOUR NAME

        ADDRESS

        PHONE

        EMAIL
        I actually nearly always get a response back and most of the time, they remove the content ... or at least say they do.

        I'm using software now which makes the job a whole lot easier and faster. I got it from this WSO and it works fantastic

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      • Profile picture of the author Luis Vaugier
        Originally Posted by Keith Green View Post

        Well, whenever I send DMCA takedown notice for my contents, I never receive any response from any file hosting site.
        Even I check back later and my contents are not removed. I think I am doing something wrong while sending DMCA takedown notice.

        Can you please tell me how do you do it?
        Do you send DMCA takedown notice manually or you use a software?
        Which is the best software for sending DMCA takedown notice?

        Thanks
        I've sent several DMCA notices to many hosting sites, they all removed my product, sometimes they ask to put your address and telephone number if you don't they'll just ignore you
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      • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
        Originally Posted by Keith Green View Post

        Well, whenever I send DMCA takedown notice for my contents, I never receive any response from any file hosting site.
        Even I check back later and my contents are not removed. I think I am doing something wrong while sending DMCA takedown notice.

        Can you please tell me how do you do it?
        Do you send DMCA takedown notice manually or you use a software?
        Which is the best software for sending DMCA takedown notice?

        Thanks
        Just what sbucciarel said works. I have also sent to google via their copyright infringement links domain URL's where my product was being sold illegally, and they (google) buried that page, it no longer can be found. The domain is still live but the page that had my content being used illegally from that domain was either vaporized or buried or tucked away somewhere.....
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  • Profile picture of the author wilken
    I do not support SOPA but I think Google have not been the good guys for years...
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  • Profile picture of the author Geraldm
    I love the end summary:

    In sum, Google — as the world’s dominant navigation tool to find pirated content and dominant monetization engine to monetize pirated content — could unilaterally reduce piracy of American intellectual property if it wanted to. However, for the reasons above, Google does not want to reduce piracy. Google simply wants to do the minimum necessary under the DMCA (taking pirated content down promptly when notified) to meet the technical letter, but not the spirit of the DMCA and property law.
    .. says it all really...

    Cheers ....
    Gerald.
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  • Profile picture of the author Wilton White
    With the proliferation of proxies, VPN gateways, Torrent sites, and the ease of establishing domestic and international domains that host these constructs that facilitate anonymity, there will definitely be no significant reduction in piracy or copyright infringement any time soon. Some of the keys to the issue appear to be the desire for privacy or the desire for freedom of expression. This alone mandates a certain degree of anonymity. A lack of responsibility in this anonymity is what causes all of the problems!

    I'm certain that having your products pirated feels like being robbed. It's happened to me a couple of times, too (being "robbed", that is). It sounds like you did the best you could after the fact. Legislation is always a bit behind technology, so perhaps investing in technical means of product protection may be the best we can do for now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joey Tribbiani
    As you stated there, Google pretty much "owns" internet. So yeah. But it's good it's stopped or it'll be much more different.
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  • Profile picture of the author jugnu
    By the way, google will die due to SOpa..? what will happen next...? if SOPA effect to google then what will be the future of internet marketers,....?
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by jugnu View Post

      By the way, google will die due to SOpa..? what will happen next...? if SOPA effect to google then what will be the future of internet marketers,....?
      Google is quite hostile to Internet Marketers. Most of their algo changes are detrimental to Internet Marketers, in addition to massive blogger blog and youtube deletions of anything that smacks of make money online.

      A vacuum wants to be filled and Bing or another search engine is quite capable of taking over the #1 search engine role should Google be knocked down a few pegs.
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      • Profile picture of the author jugnu
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        Google is quite hostile to Internet Marketers. Most of their algo changes are detrimental to Internet Marketers, in addition to massive blogger blog and youtube deletions of anything that smacks of make money online.

        A vacuum wants to be filled and Bing or another search engine is quite capable of taking over the #1 search engine role should Google be knocked down a few pegs.
        But this not the clear answer of my question, anyone else can discuss on it.?
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      • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        Google is quite hostile to Internet Marketers. Most of their algo changes are detrimental to Internet Marketers
        I wonder why that would be? It couldn't possibly be all the spun garbage clogging up the internet? Or the 'high quality articles' the 'marketers' paid $3 for? etc....

        Which makes Google look bad causing people to use other search engines. Costing Google advertising revenue.

        in addition to massive blogger blog and youtube deletions of anything that smacks of make money online.
        Why should Google foot the bandwidth bill so you can make money off them using their resources for free?

        A vacuum wants to be filled and Bing or another search engine is quite capable of taking over the #1 search engine role should Google be knocked down a few pegs.
        In the event that happened, how long do you think it will be before they follow the same path as Google?


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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by Chris Worner View Post

          I wonder why that would be? It couldn't possibly be all the spun garbage clogging up the internet? Or the 'high quality articles' the 'marketers' paid $3 for? etc....

          Which makes Google look bad causing people to use other search engines. Costing Google advertising revenue.

          Why should Google foot the bandwidth bill so you can make money off them using their resources for free?

          In the event that happened, how long do you think it will be before they follow the same path as Google?

          Peace
          Chris
          Completely agree. If Google were my search engine, I would scrub the trash off the curb too. My only point is that if Google disappeared, someone would very quickly take its place ... and the gaming would begin all over with a new property. lol.
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    • Profile picture of the author wilken
      Originally Posted by jugnu View Post

      By the way, google will die due to SOpa..? what will happen next...? if SOPA effect to google then what will be the future of internet marketers,....?
      I don't think there is a danger for internet marketers if Google die. First, Google is not very IM friendly even now. And second, if Google dies there will be immediately a replacement. If there is a demand, there will be a supply too.
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    • Profile picture of the author Cicak
      Originally Posted by jugnu View Post

      By the way, google will die due to SOpa..? what will happen next...? if SOPA effect to google then what will be the future of internet marketers,....?
      I highly doubt it, yes you might say SOPA will be back in the form of another ridiculous bill but I doubt any of these bills will take down Google....Google's there to stay!
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  • Profile picture of the author prian
    if google die due to SOPA?
    then youtube, facebook, yahoo, etc will also die due to SOPA
    No more IM things
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  • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
    Well, at least Google and the Feds are on different sides of the argument.

    However...if they ever form an alliance, we're all screwed...
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  • Profile picture of the author Poindexter29
    I think that Google has way too much leverage when it comes to online search. It seems as though we have to dance to Google's tune when it comes SEO algorithms & other common IM tactics; they kinda remind me of the NFL commissioner. That's why there needs to be more Search engine competition so they can't wield too much power on IM's
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  • Profile picture of the author andynathan
    I remember a quote once that said roughly, "if two catholic churches made the church weaker than we want you to set up as many as possible."

    The same thing goes with large corporations and the government. The more divisions, no matter the reason, the better off we are with someone being a supporter of small business.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alan Chatfield
    I saw all of the reactions to SOPA (people shutting down their sites etc) but hadn't realized it had been stopped.

    Is that it now, no more SOPA (e.g. not even an amended version)?

    I know Google rule the universe but I quite like the way they seem to do business (vs the way, for example, Facebook do business - i.e. making changes without telling anyone).

    Whoever started this, thanks for posting.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Alan Chatfield View Post

      I saw all of the reactions to SOPA (people shutting down their sites etc) but hadn't realized it had been stopped.

      Is that it now, no more SOPA (e.g. not even an amended version)?

      I know Google rule the universe but I quite like the way they seem to do business (vs the way, for example, Facebook do business - i.e. making changes without telling anyone).

      Whoever started this, thanks for posting.
      Yeah ... both bills are officially shelved for now, at least until they amend them and try to sneak them through in the middle of the night tacked onto some other irrelevant bill.
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      • Profile picture of the author Lori Kelly
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        Yeah ... both bills are officially shelved for now, at least until they amend them and try to sneak them through in the middle of the night tacked onto some other irrelevant bill.
        And that's exactly how legislation passes - in the middle of the night and at page 1,406 in a 6,398 bill.

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    • Profile picture of the author wilken
      Originally Posted by Alan Chatfield View Post

      Is that it now, no more SOPA (e.g. not even an amended version)?
      Yes, but as I wrote somewhere else "SOPA is dead but is it buried?".
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Google is quite hostile to Internet Marketers
        I don't believe that. Many thousands of IMers profit from their place on google and the traffic gained through google.

        On the other hand, internet marketers (as they are defined here at least) are often all about fooling google. Profile links, links through blog comments, all sorts of little tricks of the trade are designed to "fool google" into placing your site or blog near the top of search results.
        Not surprising a company would not favor a business model that tries to manipulate it.

        When it came to the argument against SOPA most of the groups involved had their own agenda. Initially, google was criticized for not committing to the protest - then it did participate and now is criticized for participating?

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        • Profile picture of the author Sarah21
          Silly guys! The real reason that the government doesn't care that SOPA/PIPA were killed because they already have ACTA- which is much, much worse. This is on a global level. Google ACTA to see what it is about.
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          When it came to the argument against SOPA most of the groups involved had their own agenda. Initially, google was criticized for not committing to the protest - then it did participate and now is criticized for participating?

          kay
          Google's involvement with SOPA/PIPA/piracy legislation began long before they slapped a little black bandaid over their logo. They spend millions of dollars in lobbying the government.

          Spending Plus Online Clout Put Google in Lobbying Class of Its Own - Josh Smith - NationalJournal.com


          "Google recently paid a half billion dollars to settle a criminal case because of the search-engine giant's active promotion of rogue foreign pharmacies that sold counterfeit and illegal drugs to U.S. patients," he continued. "As a result of their actions, the health and lives of many American patients may have been endangered. Their opposition to this legislation is self-serving since they profit from doing business with rogue sites."
          Because of the criminal action above and resulting settlement, Google has much to fear from anti-piracy legislation. Not to mention the lost ad revenue should all the links to pirated products be eliminated from their search results.

          Google chairman says online piracy bill would 'criminalize' the Internet - The Hill's Hillicon Valley
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          • Profile picture of the author Witty
            I remember listening to a radio interview a few days back, it was a debate between a person supporting SOPA and some other guys. One of them asked him, "So will Youtube get shutdown? It's got loads of copyrighted material."

            Guess what he replied?

            "Come on, no-one's gonna shut down Youtube."

            The nonchalance of the man...
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            • Profile picture of the author Venturetothetop
              Glad someone else is saying this too. I was a little bemused at just how many people were reading this all wrong in regard to Google's support against Sopa - it's all in their best business interests!!

              It was quite funny to read the statement by Google which claims it would be near impossible to remove all violating content from Google themselves, they needed people to report it.

              They brand themselves as a 'right' not as a service. A company earning billions (be that down a few billion from last year) surely has to look after its own business!

              We all will have to take responsibility to content on our websites, and Google should not be exempt.

              Rant over...I'm happy now
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            Google's involvement with SOPA/PIPA/piracy legislation began long before they slapped a little black bandaid over their logo. They spend millions of dollars in lobbying the government.
            It was a protest with odd bedfellows - that's for sure. But it succeeded -for now, at least - in part because there was big money behind the complaints. Money is leverage - like it or not.

            I don't trust google's motives any more than I trust Anonymous - but I ended up on the same side as both of them in this argument.

            The future will be handled when it comes - no reason to keep arguing SOPA day after day - and for the person who joined just to educate about ACTA - most of us know what it is. It's been in process for 3 years.
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      • Profile picture of the author atvking
        SOPA is far from dead and buried. Remember the "Patriot act"? It too got shot down and came back out of the ashes and got passed.

        Here's how hard it is to rewrite SOPA:

        "Pirate sites will be taken down and owners,advertisers,payment processors,affiliates charged AFTER due process,court whatever."

        There It took 10 seconds.

        Google/Facebook/Youtube have "user experience" to lose if they enforce SOPA. They will lose $$$$ directly from advertising, indirectly through having to employ more people to actually monitor their "file sharing" platforms and last but not least they present themselves as "protectors of free piracy..errrr...speech" and hope the uninformed will jump on the "Free speech" and "our rights" bandwagon

        Imagine Facebook with no theft and blatant stealing of intellectual property

        Imagine Youtube that only allows actual user generated content

        Lets face it: It's nice to "share" other peoples stuff and pretend that its "free speech". :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author Marvin Johnston
    This is the first time *I* have seen something like this in a national magazine ... many thanks for posting the link!

    I think YouTube is probably the worst offender of abusing copyrights ... I am constantly amazed at what can be found there.

    With this kind of publicity and what I see as a growing exposure of Googles hypocracy, this can only result in more awareness of the Google manta:

    "Don't be evil ... do as we say, not as we do."

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  • Profile picture of the author solado
    Im backing Google.

    This internet has functioned fine over the past few years, Now the governments are rocking the ships its causing people to throw their arms in the air. Who cares if a big named musician loses out on a few sales ? Im sure his $1+ million pay check would have been worth it regardless of his tiny percentage of downloads.

    Google is an up to date business model, its about time the film / music industry (who are causing all this turbulence) updated their business model to match it instead of creating millions of unhappy people all around the world.
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    • Profile picture of the author atvking
      Originally Posted by solado View Post

      Im backing Google.

      This internet has functioned fine over the past few years, Now the governments are rocking the ships its causing people to throw their arms in the air. Who cares if a big named musician loses out on a few sales ? Im sure his $1+ million pay check would have been worth it regardless of his tiny percentage of downloads.
      Every single creative person on the planet cares. Anybody who creates content cares. They care a LOT.

      Big named musicians are free to do with THEIR intellectual property (Notice I accented the word "their" as in "NOT yours") what ever they want. If they do not want people to listen to their music for free then this is their full legal and moral right.

      If a big named musician wants to diamond plate the soles of his shoes then: it's absolutely non of your business.

      Creative people make the internet what it is today. Creative people lead the world. Creative people should be rewarded.

      Non productive parasites should never ever ever get asked about how creative people should sell their content or how much money they should be happy with. Non productive parasites opinions should never be taken in to consideration.



      Originally Posted by solado View Post

      Google is an up to date business model, its about time the film / music industry (who are causing all this turbulence) updated their business model to match it instead of creating millions of unhappy people all around the world.

      Oh so the legal owners and producers of intellectual property should make room for the parasites and leeches making billions from THEFT? They should update their business model to allow for piracy and theft?

      Why don't you just admit it: you create nothing at all, and you like getting other peoples stuff for free on the net?
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  • Profile picture of the author magentawave
    This is an old post but I don't want the state F-ing up the internet like they do with everything else so we all need to do everything to stop any attempts for censorship by signing petitions like the ones — Demand Progress and similar sites put out. Lets face it, these thugs basically murdered Aaron Swartz who stopped SOPA with his Demand Progress site, so creating a phony false flag op as a pretext to internet censorship isn't beyond them. In fact, as of two weeks ago these same psychopathic control freaks in both houses were still trying to roll out their next version of internet control.
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  • Profile picture of the author juangarciamtl
    i think information should be free
    so we can advance and create more
    advance in technology is copy the ideas other people had
    and make them better. basically thats how all greates invents
    were made. so it advance more and more
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    • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
      Originally Posted by juangarciamtl View Post

      i think information should be free
      so we can advance and create more
      advance in technology is copy the ideas other people had
      and make them better. basically thats how all greates invents
      were made. so it advance more and more
      Complete bulls*t... as many of your other posts today.

      Can you create me a script for free? It's just information, what the heck... it should be free so that I can advance and create more (money).
      :p
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