Should I pursue this opportunity?

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I recently signed up for clickbank and I came across an affiliate niche that has 3 products with gravities of around 8, 4 and 1.7~

I've done some basic keyword and competition research on google for this niche.

I've found 4 phrases that have between 18,000 and 22,000 global monthly exact searches a month. allintitle: for these phrases brings up around 600 results (average) and allinurl: produced around 140 results (average) - So low competition right?

On top of this all four phrases have exact match .com domains available

Is this a good opportunity? Should I go for one of all of the available domains?

I'm new to IM in practice as I've mainly done freelance article writing for other people so far. Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author JimWaller
    From what you've provided, it looks promising to me as far as traffic goes.
    Is it a niche you have some interest in? If you have interest, it makes it easier to pursue.
    As for the domains, I'd say at least get one to try it out with. Whether or not you get all of them is your choice. If you get them all, the initial cost is naturally higher, but you eliminate potential competition getting the domains if it proves to be profitable.

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    • Profile picture of the author petemcal
      Originally Posted by JimWaller View Post

      Is it a niche you have some interest in? If you have interest, it makes it easier to pursue.
      I'm not particularly interested in the topic at hand. However I'm an article writer on a freelance basis so I'm used to writing about things that I have no interest in.

      So as long as I can keep up the patience I should be okay.

      I think I'll jump in and try out one domain to start with and see if it works. As the domains probably have no resell or flip value if there's nothing to be made.
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      Originally Posted by JimWaller View Post

      From what you've provided, it looks promising to me as far as traffic goes.
      Is it a niche you have some interest in? If you have interest, it makes it easier to pursue.
      As for the domains, I'd say at least get one to try it out with. Whether or not you get all of them is your choice. If you get them all, the initial cost is naturally higher, but you eliminate potential competition getting the domains if it proves to be profitable.

      HTH,
      Jim Waller
      I like Jim's response here. Is this of interest?

      From the statistics, it's a go. 100%. worst case, it bombs, you fail. You scrap it, clear your head and go on to your next opportunity.
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  • Profile picture of the author wilken
    Maybe you should do some further research. There could be a reason why there is not high competion. You can check some of the sites related to this niche. Also you can check if there are many PPC ads when you search for these keywords in Google.
    Of course, it might be that you're just lucky and you've found a good niche.
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    Theoretically sounds fine. But I imagine you knew that already?
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  • Profile picture of the author petemcal
    Thanks for all the replies so far!

    When I type in the search phrases to google there is a load of ppc ads coming up. Which is a good sign.

    The main reason I was asking is because I didn't know if the monthly traffic was enough to be profitable. But from your responses it sounds like it could be!
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  • Profile picture of the author wilken
    Yes, I think the amount of monthly searches is good. Of course, if the majority of them are not coming from Iran, for example.
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    • Profile picture of the author petemcal
      Originally Posted by wilken View Post

      Yes, I think the amount of monthly searches is good. Of course, if the majority of them are not coming from Iran, for example.
      Are there any ways to break down the global monthly searches into country or even continent statistics?

      I've tried fiddling with the adwords tool, and googling how to do this but I can't find a way.
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      • Profile picture of the author wilken
        Originally Posted by petemcal View Post

        Are there any ways to break down the global monthly searches into country or even continent statistics?

        I've tried fiddling with the adwords tool, and googling how to do this but I can't find a way.
        Yes, there is a way. On the page of the Google keyword tool there is an option to select a particular country.
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        • Profile picture of the author petemcal
          Originally Posted by wilken View Post

          Yes, there is a way. On the page of the Google keyword tool there is an option to select a particular country.
          Thanks! sorry to ask such a simplistic question, still learning.
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          • Profile picture of the author wilken
            Originally Posted by petemcal View Post

            Thanks! sorry to ask such a simplistic question, still learning.
            You're welcome!

            btw. I don't know what "gravity" is cause I haven't used clickbank but I suppose it is similar to "Network Earnings" on Commission Junction. So, at least for CJ I think this could be quite misleading because I think this indicator does not consider the reverted sales. There are advertisers at CJ with the max possible "Network Earnings" but they have an enormous percentage of reverted sales so I doubt they have really such a big volume in reality. It's still good to look for higher values of this indicator cause if it's low then it's sure this advertiser does not have a huge volume of sales.
            I just mentioned it cause it could be similar at clickbank.
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    Hit it anyway, if 3 conversions is all you need to make her profitable then roll it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Synx
    Check if it is not a trademark, if not I think you're good to go. These are not easy to find them nowadays. In any case you don't have much to lose by registering few domains, only good opportunities. Good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author petemcal
      Originally Posted by Synx View Post

      Check if it is not a trademark, if not I think you're good to go. These are not easy to find them nowadays. In any case you don't have much to lose by registering few domains, only good opportunities. Good luck.
      No it's not a trademarked name or revolving around a trademarked platform i.e. tips for ebay etc.

      Thanks
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    Originally Posted by petemcal View Post

    Is this a good opportunity?
    From what you've said, Pete, it all sounds fine in principle.

    There are many practicalities which (in reality) are going to be more important than the points you've mentioned so far, though ...

    Some examples ...

    (i) Are the sales pages of those products suitable for affiliate promotion, e.g. they don't have leaks, they're not hypey, they won't put lots of people off, and so on - in short, criteria like these: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post2161932 ;

    (ii) Do you think the keywords you've investigated are going to be "buying keywords" rather than keywords usually searched by people looking only for free information, and so on (sometimes there's a reason for "low competition");

    (iii) Do you think the sales pages are likely to be able to convert successfully the sort of traffic you can attract with articles (if that's how you're going to promote them)?

    If they look ok on those fronts, then it could easily be worth testing them - if the products themselves look good, and are things to which you're willing to attach your own name/reputation by promoting them, of course.

    At this stage, I think you'd be very well advised to be thinking a little more about these absolutely essential qualitative considerations, and a little less (or even a lot less!) about SEO.
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    • Profile picture of the author petemcal
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      From what you've said, Pete, it all sounds fine in principle.

      There are many practicalities which (in reality) are going to be more important than the points you've mentioned so far, though ...

      Some examples ...

      (i) Are the sales pages of those products suitable for affiliate promotion, e.g. they don't have leaks, they're not hypey, they won't put lots of people off, and so on - in short, criteria like these: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post2161932 ;

      (ii) Do you think the keywords you've investigated are going to be "buying keywords" rather than keywords usually searched by people looking only for free information, and so on (sometimes there's a reason for "low competition");

      (iii) Do you think the sales pages are likely to be able to convert successfully the sort of traffic you can attract with articles (if that's how you're going to promote them)?

      If they look ok on those fronts, then it could easily be worth testing them - if the products themselves look good, and are things to which you're willing to attach your own name/reputation by promoting them, of course.

      At this stage, I think you'd be very well advised to be thinking a little more about these absolutely essential qualitative considerations, and a little less (or even a lot less!) about SEO.
      Hi Alexa, great advice thanks for sharing! I've had a look at your "selecting product post" and I've looked at the affiliate pages. The main affililate offer I think will sell does not have any leaks, is professionally written, links in well with customers demands etc. it seems the perfect fit.

      I need to ask however why do you stay away from products with high gravity? That means that lots of unique sellers have sold that product in the last 8 weeks. I know that means that the competition is red hot but it also means the product sells.

      I understand gravity has its pitfalls as well as an indicator. If a product has a gravity of 30 it means 30 sellers have made sales (let be rough about it, without weighting etc). But you do not know how many have been advertising the product unsuccessfully against the 30 that have.



      In answer to your point about buying keywords I reckon it's the sort of thing I could make sales on. The subject is a "how do I ..." type of thing. Rather than "pictures of parrots" etc
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by petemcal View Post

        I need to ask however why do you stay away from products with high gravity? That means that lots of unique sellers have sold that product in the last 8 weeks.
        It honestly doesn't, Pete.

        This is a widespread misunderstanding.

        Products can actually have a high gravity (and some do, especially in niches like "internet marketing advice" and "make money online") without anyone actually having sold a copy to a customer at all.

        Originally Posted by petemcal View Post

        I know that means that the competition is red hot but it also means the product sells.
        It just doesn't mean that at all, I'm afraid.

        There's no correlation between gravity and numbers of sales.

        Here's a post which explains the whole thing, with some examples: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post2495251

        Originally Posted by wilken View Post

        I don't know what "gravity" is cause I haven't used clickbank but I suppose it is similar to "Network Earnings" on Commission Junction.
        Sorry, but this is just totally wrong. :rolleyes:

        May I make a suggestion to you, Wilken, without offending you and without you imagining I'm trying to be rude? I appreciate that you meant it only helpfully, of course, but when you have absolutely no idea what something is or how it works, that's really not the ideal time to try to suggest to other people what it might mean and how it might work.
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          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Sorry, but this is just totally wrong. :rolleyes:

          May I make a suggestion to you, Wilken, without offending you and without you imagining I'm trying to be rude? I appreciate that you meant it only helpfully, of course, but when you have absolutely no idea what something is or how it works, that's really not the ideal time to try to suggest to other people what it might mean and how it might work.
          Thanks for your suggestion Alexa! I simultaneously agree and disagree with it.

          I agree that there is a difference between CJ's "network earnings" and Clickbank's gravity.

          I disagree with your statement that my "suggestion" is wrong. First, it was not a suggestion but supposition. Second, if you read it carefully, you will see it is essentially true. My statement basically was that a volume indicator could not be taken directly into account without some further considerations.

          Obviously, both indicators indicate volumes (although different types of volumes) and my statement is correct for both of them cause they are misleading.

          I appreciate that you clarified the exact meaning of the clickbank's indicator (which I have never claimed to know) but the rest was a supererogation in fact.
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            Originally Posted by wilken View Post

            Obviously, both indicators indicate volumes
            Sorry, but however "obvious" that seems to you, it simply isn't so: ClickBank's gravity figure - contrary to what one might guess - has in fact no correlation with volume.

            This is the point made at such length, and in such detail, and with explanatory examples, in the long post linked to in my post above.

            Just to be really clear and unambiguous about this: it's actually quite common, on ClickBank, for products with gravities around 4 or 5 regularly to be outselling products with three-figure gravities; these are not just "obscure exceptions".
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              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

              Sorry, but however "obvious" that seems to you, it simply isn't so: ClickBank's gravity figure - contrary to what one might guess - has in fact no correlation with volume.

              This is the point made at such length, and in such detail, and with explanatory examples, in the long post linked to in my post above.

              Just to be really clear and unambiguous about this: it's actually quite common, on ClickBank, for products with gravities around 4 or 5 regularly to be outselling products with three-figure gravities; these are not just "obscure exceptions".
              Absolutely right...
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            • Profile picture of the author wilken
              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

              Sorry, but however "obvious" that seems to you, it simply isn't so: ClickBank's gravity figure - contrary to what one might guess - has in fact no correlation with volume.

              This is the point made at such length, and in such detail, and with explanatory examples, in the long post linked to in my post above.
              Sorry but after reading your long post again it is definitely so.
              These 2 quotes are from the long post:
              "Gravity is an indication of how much competition there is. It measures the number of affiliates who have each made one or more sales over the previous 8 weeks."
              "gravity measures the number of affiliates who (eventually) make a sale, not the number of sales made."

              It's obvious that the gravity indicates the volume of affiliates that have done something.

              You have probably made some association of "volume" in your head and you cannot accept to relate the word volume to other things.


              Just to be really clear and unambiguous about this: it's actually quite common, on ClickBank, for products with gravities around 4 or 5 regularly to be outselling products with three-figure gravities; these are not just "obscure exceptions".
              I haven't questioned this.
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              • Profile picture of the author kia123guy
                Why not give it a try. If you have the keyword research done and it looks promising then go for it. Nothing gained if you don't try.
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                • Profile picture of the author petemcal
                  Originally Posted by kia123guy View Post

                  Why not give it a try. If you have the keyword research done and it looks promising then go for it. Nothing gained if you don't try.
                  Yeah I've purchased one of the four domains and I'm building up content for it now. Thanks.
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        • Profile picture of the author petemcal
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          There's no correlation between gravity and numbers of sales.
          Thanks Alexa I've looked at your linked post and it's cleared up gravity for me a lot more. I understand now that high gravity will usually not mean high conversion, high sales etc.

          Does popularity actually work as an indicator of sales levels/volume then?

          To be honest I am starting to think that none of this really matters. Gravity, popularity erc - none show conversions.

          I think perhaps people are best to choose the product(s) that they think they can convert the best from their site or list. The ones that are best presented and do not detriment your site's brand or image. If you are happy you can make money and sell it, why bother about how many others are (or are not).
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          • Profile picture of the author myob
            Originally Posted by petemcal View Post

            To be honest I am starting to think that none of this really matters. Gravity, popularity erc - none show conversions.

            This shows you are starting to catch on. I think you'll find that the major factor that really matters (apart from the $ indicators and other criteria recommended by Alexa) is the relevance of the product(s) to your niche, visitors, and subscribers. You are planning on building a list, right?
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            • Profile picture of the author petemcal
              Originally Posted by myob View Post

              This shows you are starting to catch on. I think you'll find that the major factor that really matters (apart from the $ indicators and other criteria recommended by Alexa) is the relevance of the product(s) to your niche, visitors, and subscribers. You are planning on building a list, right?
              Thanks, it's good to hear I'm starting to understand better.

              I want to build a list of course, but I have no experience and I'm going to do a lot of research to make sure I get it right. I want to learn how to build a list the right way, then use it to it's full potential.

              UPDATE: I've acquired one of the four domains I mentioned in the first post. I'm doing some IM / SEO research then I'll develop it and if it goes well and the others are available I'll buy them too. (This may seem ridiculous buy I literally have a shoe string budget so it's going to be a slow builder)
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew S
    There was a warrior who made a thread about his info product keyword gets a whopping 300 something searches a month and he does $XXXX a month on it.

    Looking at the keywords is a good rule of thumb but I believe your sales will depend more on your sales page and product quality.
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  • Profile picture of the author Glen1
    Depending on your competition's backlinking efforts this shouldn't be too hard to get there with some good on page and off page backlinking
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Daniels
    Its always good to do extensive research, that would be my first move, that should tell you what you need to know if you want to pursuit it or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author yasser
    Excellent hunt. Go for it. I always think of it as a single project.I bought a domain last month from blogger for $10. My blog is on page one and with only 2 articles. I made profit 20 dollars. This is 100 % profit for my project. i never think of this project again. If it bring more sales, that's fine, if not , i do not renew the domain.I then go and look for another project.
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    • Profile picture of the author petemcal
      Originally Posted by yasser View Post

      Excellent hunt. Go for it. I always think of it as a single project.I bought a domain last month from blogger for $10. My blog is on page one and with only 2 articles. I made profit 20 dollars. This is 100 % profit for my project. i never think of this project again. If it bring more sales, that's fine, if not , i do not renew the domain.I then go and look for another project.
      I definitely think this is a good attitude. I managed to secure the domain for £4 which is a little over the price of a beer in a bar. So no sweat if I don't make money on it.

      I'm fairly confident with the research and niche that it's something I can at least make a little bit out of.

      Plus it's a really fun learning experience!
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      • Profile picture of the author wilken
        Originally Posted by petemcal View Post

        I definitely think this is a good attitude. I managed to secure the domain for £4 which is a little over the price of a beer in a bar. So no sweat if I don't make money on it.

        I'm fairly confident with the research and niche that it's something I can at least make a little bit out of.

        Plus it's a really fun learning experience!
        Even the learning experience will be worth the effort and these money but don't give up too fast cause if you put more efforts in this initiative you could earn more money. It's not guaranteed, of course, but it's rare when somebody makes lots of money with minimal efforts (although this happens too sometimes).
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        • Profile picture of the author petemcal
          Originally Posted by wilken View Post

          Even the learning experience will be worth the effort and these money but don't give up too fast cause if you put more efforts in this initiative you could earn more money. It's not guaranteed, of course, but it's rare when somebody makes lots of money with minimal efforts (although this happens too sometimes).
          Thanks, I suffer too often from impatience. I'll keep at it and not just write some content and give up at the first hurdle. I understand from people's experience on this forum that there's no get rich quick schemes (unless their selling you something :p)
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    Hey man, how is this initiative going? Have you got any success?
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  • Profile picture of the author Simon Ashari
    From what I've read above, nobody has been able to come up with a reasonable objection to you getting into this niche.

    The objections (or possible objections) that have been raised have been addressed by you.

    I think it's time you went for this.

    Good luck.

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