Is it common place for Freelancers to NEVER meet your deadline? (need advice)

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Hello Warriors. I just want to first say this it not just a thread to vent, I want to be informed.

I've hired 15 freelancers off odesk over the last year, out of those 15, maybe 1 met the deadline that I clearly laid out in the ad. This could range anywhere from articles written, to wordpress themes edited to software creation.

I never hire anyone without less than 4.5 feedback. I invite the best and select the best out of the many that accept the invite.

So my question is, is it simply unrealistic for me to expect a freelancer to meet a deadline, at least most of the time? Or is it just a Odesk thing? If any of you have used Elance, please let me know how they are on their. I dont want to sign up to Elance, only for it to be the same deal.

It can be highly irritating, when you clearly say you need this delivered within 48 hours, you know personally the job is not like some extreme custom software where they can run into unforseen problems. So, it seems they just accept the job offer, simply to get the job, with no intention to actually do it in the time frame you'd like.

If this is just the nature of the business, cool, I can understand, and will keep that in mind going forward. But if anyone has any advice, or another site to use that's more reliable, I'm all ears.

Thanks will go to all helpful responses!
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  • Profile picture of the author onegoodman
    The problem with freelancers on odesk, they are usually working on multiple projects, and this is why you never meet deadlines.

    I had tasks where suppose to be completed on a day takes over a week.

    So, I would say yes, many of them don't meet deadlines.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Patrick
    I don't know what site I could recommend that would be better than Odesk. I've run a few projects there recently involving dozens of hires, and things have worked out pretty well. I have had a couple of people flake out or miss deadlines, but certainly nothing like what you're experiencing. There is something about your project that's causing this to happen - I don't know enough about your project to give you more advice than that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Gram
    I used to have this problem on Odesk all the time until I changed a few things.

    Now, in my listings, I specify the deadline when the project must be completed AND I clearly state that they should only bid if they can guarantee they will complete it by my required date. In addition, I also put (in my listing) that I will not pay if the project is not completed on time.

    Ever since we started doing that, we have had zero issues with late projects.
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    • Profile picture of the author MarketingVet09
      Originally Posted by Paul Gram View Post

      I used to have this problem on Odesk all the time until I changed a few things.

      Now, in my listings, I specify the deadline when the project must be completed AND I clearly state that they should only bid if they can guarantee they will complete it by my required date. In addition, I also put (in my listing) that I will not pay if the project is not completed on time.

      Ever since we started doing that, we have had zero issues with late projects.
      I truly thank you for this post. I thought that I would scare people away with this...

      Scare only the BOGUS people away, that is... Thank you very much, I will CERTAINLY start doing this, as it's getting ridiculous now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Norfolk
    Deadline is called DEAD line for a reason - after this line, the project is dead. They don't respect the deadline, you don't pay them. Simple as that. Make it clear in your ad and in communication with them. Ask them for daily progress reports and explanations why they run into delays.
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    • Profile picture of the author BrashImpact
      Originally Posted by Norfolk View Post

      Deadline is called DEAD line for a reason - after this line, the project is dead. They don't respect the deadline, you don't pay them. Simple as that. Make it clear in your ad and in communication with them. Ask them for daily progress reports and explanations why they run into delays.
      I could not have put that any better. With that i would also like to add, it's not their project or money, therefore they really have no skin in the game. When it gets to that point be very very Clear in how you work in your original ad copy for a Hire.

      Or you could simply find someone to handle all your work...but that takes time and energy to find a great one... Look for "A" Players Only

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    • Profile picture of the author Kamran
      If it is a long project, it helps to make it mandatory for freelancers to come for a skype chat for a progress, they stay on track and meet deadlines
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    • Profile picture of the author mysterrio
      Originally Posted by Norfolk View Post

      Deadline is called DEAD line for a reason - after this line, the project is dead. They don't respect the deadline, you don't pay them. Simple as that. Make it clear in your ad and in communication with them. Ask them for daily progress reports and explanations why they run into delays.
      I do agree with this. The thing is that many of the people who are working at these sites are doing many projects and they apply for the job you listed and you respond to them. They never go back are read the job you posted.

      I think you have to be crystal clear: John, this job has a deadline of Friday the 14th and I need to get it on or before that date or I can not use it. Remember that business is business. People do not plan to fail however, they do fail to plan and such is the way it sometimes goes.
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  • Profile picture of the author YasirYar
    I know a lot of people who have found great freelancers who take deadlines seriously, but you are right, there are a lot of them who take up way too many projects and then struggle to meet deadlines on a consistent basis.

    I would recommend you make more of an effort when you hire these freelancers. If you have stringent enough a process, you can filter out people who seem unlikely to meet deadlines in the future from the start only, so as to avoid dealing with them at all.

    Hold strict interviews and make it clear that you do not compromise on deadline, and you might see better results. Remember to treat your freelancers well as well, because once you develop a personal relationship with them, they're more likely to do your job on time!
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    • Profile picture of the author NicoleBeckett
      Originally Posted by Jusumax View Post

      So my question is, is it simply unrealistic for me to expect a freelancer to meet a deadline, at least most of the time?
      No. It is most definitely not unrealistic for you to expect timely work. Anyone who can't meet their clients' deadlines shouldn't be in business. Period.

      Originally Posted by Jusumax View Post

      If this is just the nature of the business, cool, I can understand, and will keep that in mind going forward. But if anyone has any advice, or another site to use that's more reliable, I'm all ears.
      It might be "the nature of the business" if you're dealing with people who are unprofessional. However, there are plenty of freelancers who have their act together, who can actually do a good job and deliver on time.

      Originally Posted by onegoodman View Post

      The problem with freelancers on odesk, they are usually working on multiple projects, and this is why you never meet deadlines.
      Hate to tell ya, but all freelancers are working on multiple projects :p Heck, I've got half a dozen different clients' work on my to-do list today, but that doesn't give me a reason to make them wait forever to get their work done. They're paying me for a service, so it's up to me to make sure they're getting what they paid for.

      Originally Posted by Norfolk View Post

      Deadline is called DEAD line for a reason - after this line, the project is dead. They don't respect the deadline, you don't pay them. Simple as that. Make it clear in your ad and in communication with them. Ask them for daily progress reports and explanations why they run into delays.
      You're right... they either meet the deadline, or they haven't held up their end of the bargain. However, it's a complete waste of everyone's time to have daily progress reports. After all, these people are supposed to be saving you time! Wading through a list of excuses isn't a good way to save time

      Originally Posted by Kamran View Post

      If it is a long project, it helps to make it mandatory for freelancers to come for a skype chat for a progress, they stay on track and meet deadlines
      If you're hiring the right people, you don't need to spend time chatting over their progress. They either do the work properly or they don't. If you're going to spend time babysitting them, why not just do the work yourself?

      It really pains me to see so many people with problems like these, because they can so easily be avoided - just by hiring a better caliber of people.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Warriors
    I have an analogy I like to use to explain the kinds of problems you typically encounter on freelancing sites.

    Basically, freelancing sites are like online dating sites for the business world.

    Everyone knows that, when you go on an online dating site, you are going to find people who upload fake pictures, claim fake income, and give fake descriptions. Basically, if you see someone on an online dating site who, according to their profile, is beautiful, rich and emotionally stable, you should come fully prepared to have them be not at all like that when you encounter them in real life.

    Why does this happen?

    Simple: people have no real incentive not to do it. They know everyone else is doing it, so why not do it themselves, to keep up?

    Basically the same type of dynamic exists on freelancing sites like odesk.

    If you're a contractor on a site like odesk, you know that half of the employers don't have the money to pay you and are looking to get work for free. If you're an employer, you know that half the contractors have samples in their portfolio that they either didn't create, or that are way better than anything they turn out on a regular basis.

    Both sides know that a good percentage of their competitors AND their employers are dishonest as ****, so slowly, everyone starts falling into the dishonest tactics themselves, because:

    a) they think they need to do it to keep up with their dishonest competitors.

    and b) after being ripped off a few times, they quickly lose any guilt over deceiving their employer/contractor.

    So, is there any hope?

    I would say the answer is to pay a bit more money for a freelancer who's not primarily based on a freelancing site.

    Just like half the people on online dating sites are too lazy or cheap to meet people in the real world, most of the people on freelancing sites are too lazy or cheap to network and build a stable business.

    Ultimately, you'll do better by working outside these simple, cost-cutting systems.

    Just a thought.

    (note to people who work on freelancing sites: I'm not knocking you at all, I make the vast majority of my money on odesk myself)
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    • Profile picture of the author MarkMilan
      Originally Posted by Andy Button View Post

      I would say the answer is to pay a bit more money for a freelancer who's not primarily based on a freelancing site.
      Where is a good place to find such a freelancer?
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      • Profile picture of the author NicoleBeckett
        Originally Posted by MarkMilan View Post

        Where is a good place to find such a freelancer?
        Start right here, on "Warriors for Hire". You'll find hundreds of people advertising their services.

        Or, do a Google search for what you're looking for. There are plenty of freelancers who have their own sites, who stay away from places like ODesk and Elance. There are certainly exceptions, but if they're savvy enough to create/maintain/promote their own website, they're probably more professional than the hoards of people you're wading through on the freelancing sites.
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          Ive hired people from here on he forum and the work has been of the quality I was expecting and on time.
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  • Profile picture of the author sodevious
    Your experience with odesk should not reflect on your impression of freelancers in general. It really depends on how you find that person, and who they are.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarketingVet09
    Just to note, I think a big problem with odesk, is they show you someone's feedback, but don't show you WHO left the feedback.

    Scriptlance shows you who left the feedback, and how many stars they have.


    So if someone has 20 feedbacks from 15 different people who all have 5 stars themselves, you can pretty much guarantee they are a serious worker.


    Did I just answer my own problem? Maybe I'll use scriptlance for technical projects, and use a new tight and strict process on odesk for everything else.

    I'm going to write odesk a long letter, so they can tighten up the site. I mean seriously, all the traffic and money they make, you would think they would have a team of 5 people at least, working 24/7 on aways to improve the contractor / employer relationships and hiring people.

    I've been using the site for 2 years, and NOTHING has changed once. Warrior Forum, on the other hands, has new improvements and additions all the time. Big props to Allen for not resting on his laurels.

    And thanks everyone for your advice, I will implement your tactics and only work with the most reputable people going forward.
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  • Profile picture of the author Damien Roche
    Not paying if the project is not complete on time epitomizes the ignorance some buyers have when working with freelancers. You should be doing your due diligence as well. Why are you hiring people you can't be sure can complete your project on time?

    If deadlines are a huge issue then why are you hiring freelancers for pennies (who have multiple projects because you hire them for pennies), instead of hiring your own in-house staff? Paying crumbs and working with freelancers will cause these issues. Lot of them are overworked.

    Not paying if deadlines are over shouldn't even be an option as reputable freelancers should be asking for part payments either up front or after predefined milestones. You do know people get scammed both ways, right?

    To the OP: I would stay clear of Odesk completely. Last time I checked it was full of people under-bidding, over-promising and under-delivering. See the pattern? Get on Elance.
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    • Profile picture of the author MarketingVet09
      Originally Posted by Damien Roche View Post

      Not paying if the project is not complete on time epitomizes the ignorance some buyers have when working with freelancers. You should be doing your due diligence as well. Why are you hiring people you can't be sure can complete your project on time?

      If deadlines are a huge issue then why are you hiring freelancers for pennies (who have multiple projects because you hire them for pennies), instead of hiring your own in-house staff? Paying crumbs and working with freelancers will cause these issues. Lot of them are overworked.

      Not paying if deadlines are over shouldn't even be an option as reputable freelancers should be asking for part payments either up front or after predefined milestones. You do know people get scammed both ways, right?

      To the OP: I would stay clear of Odesk completely. Last time I checked it was full of people under-bidding, over-promising and under-delivering. See the pattern? Get on Elance.

      I definitely see the pattern.

      Honestly, Odesk is close to being a joke to me right now.

      They make too much money not to have every option in the world for sorting through contractors.


      On scriptlance, you can buy a gold membership as a contractor... Right then and there I know IMMEDIATELY they are 100% about their business... If you are PAYING to look for work, this weed's out 90% of the foolishness.

      It's absolutely no excuse for a site of odesk's magnitude to rest on it's laurels like they do. It's insane.


      As far as elance.... Sigh... I just had a look.. only 11 programmers come up when I say "have you passed this certain test"... looks like they have even less people than odesk.

      I think it's a way to find truely qualified people on odesk, it's just a shame it has to be an easter egg hunt. They should have every tool in place to make this nothing but a few clicks and BAM, you have the top 10 programmers in the world.

      They could hire someone to come up with an advanced formula to just make everything a sinch, factoring in various variables.


      I saw a blog entry on odesk saying "look at a contractors history to see how much they made on projects... this will help you know if they got big jobs and help you know their quality"...


      Sure, I can do that... but why do I have to? Their should be a feature to sort by contractors who made x amount of dollars per project and what have you.

      Listen, I hate to sound lazy... But maybe I am. They just have too much money for it to be a job to hiring someone for a job. It's a shame.
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      • Profile picture of the author marciayudkin
        I've hired 15 freelancers off odesk over the last year, out of those 15, maybe 1 met the deadline that I clearly laid out in the ad.
        This fact alone, in and of itself, shows that you must be far too easy on your freelancers and not demanding enough in your transactions.

        If deadlines are crucial to you, you need to make them a condition of getting paid. They don't meet the deadline, they don't get paid. If odesk doesn't allow you to do this, then it's the wrong hiring venue for you. If you don't behave strictly in this way yourself, you have no right to complain!

        I am really surprised that you would go back to this hiring venue again and again even though it almost never lived up to your expectations.

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        • Profile picture of the author MarketingVet09
          Originally Posted by marciayudkin View Post

          This fact alone, in and of itself, shows that you must be far too easy on your freelancers and not demanding enough in your transactions.

          If deadlines are crucial to you, you need to make them a condition of getting paid. They don't meet the deadline, they don't get paid. If odesk doesn't allow you to do this, then it's the wrong hiring venue for you. If you don't behave strictly in this way yourself, you have no right to complain!

          I am really surprised that you would go back to this hiring venue again and again even though it almost never lived up to your expectations.

          Marcia Yudkin
          I agree wholeheartedly. It's on ME to be tougher.

          It's all a learning experience... I'm glad I went through it on smaller projects, vs the bigger ones I plan to employ soon, so it all happened for a reason.

          You should see the contracts I'm drawing up now... So strict, they would put a Sony Music lawyer to shame...

          Ok, but seriously.. I'm not playing around anymore.... NO DONE IN TIME? NO PAYEE! lol.

          It's so outlandish and out of hand. I guess I just expect people to be honest and forth coming like myself.

          And I know it's not ALL freelancers... My main complaint is odesk doesn't make it easy to weed out the bad ones.

          Looks like I'll be creating an account with freelancer / elance.


          I'm really glad the dialogue that came from this thread.. Taught me a lot and let me know it's not just me.

          Cheers to everyone who replied so far.
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  • Profile picture of the author Christian Little
    Originally Posted by Jusumax View Post

    I've hired 15 freelancers off odesk over the last year, out of those 15, maybe 1 met the deadline that I clearly laid out in the ad. This could range anywhere from articles written, to wordpress themes edited to software creation.
    It's for this reason that I rarely hire freelancers anymore. And when I do, the only tasks I give them are not time critical.

    I went through probably twice that number of freelancers last year, and only one of them delivered in time (and he's the only one I've continued to send work to).

    However there is a difference between a freelancer and a VA. A VA works for you pretty much like an employee. I've had moderate success hiring VA's and requiring them to use monitoring software while they are on the clock so I can keep tabs on them.

    Unfortunately, unless you give them extremely detailed instructions and pretty much hold their hand through the process they don't really do a good job either.
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  • Profile picture of the author Spock1
    It is common for me because I am into quality over quantity. I hope it will pay off someday.
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  • Profile picture of the author Suthan M
    I have the same problem too. I guess I get too easy and kind towards them.

    Before they get hired for the project, they promise that everything is possible, and its just a matter of changing "1 or 2 lines of codes"

    ..but once project is rewarded, those darn '1 or 2 lines of codes" can take days to update.. :-p

    I am also currently waiting for a project to be delivered to me. It was supposed to be on Wednesday, now fingers crossed that I will get it by this weekend
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  • Profile picture of the author Ben Gordon
    It's mostly oDesk. I personally only hire oDesk employees to work for me full time -- its only effective use in my opinion. I use Freelancer for projects and I've never had deadlines not met. As long as you're hiring the right people, who are trained and professional, then you'll always get what you requested.
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  • Profile picture of the author fuzzyblee
    My best practice when hiring freelancers is I discussed with them how important MY deadline is I make an arrangement with them like for example the deadline is Sunday and the pay is $50... If you finish it on Monday I'll give you $45, if Tuesday $40, etc... so they are aware that they have to finish it on time to get the amount we agreed upon... And so far it works better for me and for them too.
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    • The need for additional training or education
    • The need for special tools (plus purchasing, delivery, distribution, etc.)
    • Requirements of higher management
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    • Consequences for not reaching meeting a deadline
    • Equipment failure
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    This is what makes risk management an absolute must.
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  • Profile picture of the author andynathan
    I generally give a freelancer a test, but I have had a number of VA's who are bad with deadlines on odesk. Dropped a lot of then because of deadlines.
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  • Profile picture of the author danlew
    Most of the freelancers don't meet deadlines, because they are creating their own reasons. No matter if its a valid or a fake reason, freelancers can't really commit in reality to meet the deadline (although they committed it with just words).
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  • Profile picture of the author Fary
    Generally this does not depend on the nature of the freelance website. It mostly depends on the good choice of the freelancer who can finish your work on it. Freelancer.com has a great measurement system for "Finish on Time" rate so I love to use this website when hiring someone.
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  • Profile picture of the author princecapri
    Its unfortunate that people end up with freelancers like these. Thing is, and I tell the truth, they don't have too much respect for your deadline. It doesn't mean as much to them as it means to you. Most of the freelancers work very hard to get a job, but go AWOL after that. I don't have qualms about firing them!

    But personally, I have never missed a deadline (if I have, I have informed in advance), and I use oDesk. So, don't generalize!
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  • Profile picture of the author Anomaly1974
    I have only missed about three deadlines, sadly one of them was with a Warrior as well ... though in my defense, all three occasions were the result of losing computer equipment due to some really funky electrical setups in the more provincial regions of the Philippines. Look for percentiles perhaps ... meaning for example, someone who is in the top tier or top percentage among their peers. Ratings can often be misleading as many clients do not leave it unless specifically asked (begged?) to do so. Many service buyers are also much more likely to respond if there is a complaint even if they do not comment when the service is good. Take all of the factors into consideration before you hire someone and you may be much better off in the long run ... and no, I do not have a lot of negative comments and yes, I am in the top two percent (well, one and one half) among my peers LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author Yudhistira Mauris
    I use freelancer and I am satisfied. There is milestone payment system. So you will pay if you're satisfied and the job completed as your request.

    My condition for bidder is simple, I'll pay when the job done.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryuchi
    You should state in your ad that you won't pay unless the deadline is meet. I will assume that your deadline is realistic enough though, certainly odesk freelancers who are used to fixed priced jobs are better off with deadline than those who usually work per hour.

    oDesk for me, so far has been the best avenue for freelancers I can't recommend any better ones.

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    • Profile picture of the author MarketingVet09
      Originally Posted by ryuchi View Post

      You should state in your ad that you won't pay unless the deadline is meet. I will assume that your deadline is realistic enough though, certainly odesk freelancers who are used to fixed priced jobs are better off with deadline than those who usually work per hour.

      oDesk for me, so far has been the best avenue for freelancers I can't recommend any better ones.

      Ryuchi
      Odesk can be good, if you want to put in the time to find the best of the best.

      Me personally, I dont want to have to work to hire someone.


      And trust me, I definitely looked thoroughly at ALL these candidates... Its a shame you have to threaten someone with non payment if they cant deliver. Never had to do such on Scriptlance, and have had several successful projects there.

      The bottom line and conclusion is, Odesk simply has an inferior level of workers.


      ANd honestly, I think the owners prefer it this way...

      Like the guy above said, their are all types of dating sites... You have ones like plenty of fish, that allow anyone on their with no filter.. then you have ones like eharmony where you have to pay money or verify yourself, so everyone knows the dating is more serious there...

      It's no different from freelancing... Every site has a different model they use... Odesk prefers quantity over quality, because that's their best way of making money...

      THERES NO WAY they can have the number 1 traffic freelancing site in the world, and not see all the advanced features Elance has that they dont (shows contractors rehire percentage, amount paid per job etc)... Thats like NIke, looking at a reebok commercial where they have this crazy new shoe technology, and not know it exists, or dont copy it.


      Nothing on Elance is patented.. So for Odesk not to copy the best qualities of it's competition tells me everything I need to know about that site and how they like making money (at my expense).


      Only way I will ever use the site again is for maybe minor projects, and even then I will say "no deadline, no pay"... For serious business, vworker / elance / scriptlance / freelancer all are very much more qualified.
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  • Profile picture of the author aardanyul
    You have to be strict with freelancers. If they don't get the work done, they're not getting paid. It can be hard to be bossy sometimes, but you ultimately have to push a worker or theyll never get anything done. Remember, they need you to earn a living, so if they dont appreciate that than someone else will.
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    • Profile picture of the author MarketingVet09
      Originally Posted by aardanyul View Post

      You have to be strict with freelancers. If they don't get the work done, they're not getting paid. It can be hard to be bossy sometimes, but you ultimately have to push a worker or theyll never get anything done. Remember, they need you to earn a living, so if they dont appreciate that than someone else will.

      Wow, Im glad you said this... Before I forgot, let me tell you guys my experience just a few days ago with the first person I actually tried to "reprimand" for being late....


      I post an ad, saying I need 12 articles in 48 hours or less... DO NOT apply to this ad if you cannot complete this within 48 hours...


      Someone comes and bids, they have excellent history / feedback, and lots of hours worked...

      Once hired, I dont hear anything for 2 days.....


      the 48 hours comes, and I email her and say: "can you tell me the status on the articles?"

      She emails back and says: Hi, I'm running a little late. Im sorry blah blah blah... I will have them done in a few hours, or by tommorow morning at the latest.. thanks for your patience (keep in mind she was EXTREMELY polite... dont know why she 'assumed' I was being patient).


      I email her back, bewildered: I requested these articles within 48 hours, and that was clearly laid out in the ad... blah blah blah..... all I know is I ended with, I dont know what to say. (I wasn't rude or anything, just frustrated that this being the 3rd late project in 1 week).


      She emails back: Hi, I have cancelled the contract. I resign. Hire someone who can do the articles by your deadline. And please dont email me back, as I will not likely respond.




      ^^^^this was the reaction I got, the FIRST time I DARED talk to someone about the deadline... just ended the whole project and left me dead in the water... and I cant even leave feedback since I didn't pay her anything....


      Odesk is grotesquely flawed... in every possible way... I would advise any serious Employer against it...

      Its a dream for crummy contractors to harbor though... That's odesks entire business model. They wouldn't dare jeopardize that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anomaly1974
    As for any statements regarding payment being contingent on meeting the deadlines, I fully agree. However, if any of my new clients decided they have to be "bossy" or "demanding" they will soon find themselves in need of another service provider.

    Thankfully, all of my clients have the ability to be reasonable, explain to me exactly what they want, explain to me exactly when they need it and quite simply let me go to work. The first drafts are generally done well before the project due date so that they have plenty of time to review the work and make sure it is what they expect and what they want. Perhaps though, that is the reason I charge a little bit more and they are willing to pay a little bit more?

    Sorry guys, but when I read this, I expect that perhaps there is enough blame to go around to more than one party in many of these cases. If you buy the cheap gas, don't be surprised when the engine starts to knock a little bit.
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    • Profile picture of the author MarketingVet09
      Originally Posted by Anomaly1974 View Post

      As for any statements regarding payment being contingent on meeting the deadlines, I fully agree. However, if any of my new clients decided they have to be "bossy" or "demanding" they will soon find themselves in need of another service provider.

      Thankfully, all of my clients have the ability to be reasonable, explain to me exactly what they want, explain to me exactly when they need it and quite simply let me go to work. The first drafts are generally done well before the project due date so that they have plenty of time to review the work and make sure it is what they expect and what they want. Perhaps though, that is the reason I charge a little bit more and they are willing to pay a little bit more?

      Sorry guys, but when I read this, I expect that perhaps there is enough blame to go around to more than one party in many of these cases. If you buy the cheap gas, don't be surprised when the engine starts to knock a little bit.


      Hah. Bro but it's a Sellers market really. Only the most qualified freelancers can have people at their mercy.

      I mean, I just feel, dont bid on something, if you can't do it, period.

      You're basically saying, "you get what you pay for", but if what you say you will give me is what I paid for, I expect what you said you will give me.

      There are thousands and thousands of freelancers on odesk, if 1 wont do it for the price point I want, someone else likely would, if they didn't come and take the bid. This is not a charity... I'm not hear to help them financially, I"m here to get my work done. If they feel they would like to work at the price point I suggest, fine, deal! If not, bid higher, what you really feel it's worth, or go find someone else with deeper pockets.

      It's a shame some people lack this basic simple integrity.

      But I am ECSTATIC I made this thread...

      People in hear suggesting Elance / Freelancer / Guru... None of the above...

      Vworker is head and shoulders everything I'm looking for, then some...


      That long letter I wrote to odesk about features they need to add... guess what? Vworker has all those features, ALREADY, then some.

      This site is going to be a dream come true for me.

      Bottom line, if you want professional, fool proof freelancers, go to Vworker.com

      If you want shady, crooked, out for a quick buck, dishonest freelancers, you'll find many of them on odesk.
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      • Originally Posted by Jusumax View Post

        But I am ECSTATIC I made this thread...

        People in hear suggesting Elance / Freelancer / Guru... None of the above...

        Vworker is head and shoulders everything I'm looking for, then some...


        That long letter I wrote to odesk about features they need to add... guess what? Vworker has all those features, ALREADY, then some.

        This site is going to be a dream come true for me.

        Bottom line, if you want professional, fool proof freelancers, go to Vworker.com

        If you want shady, crooked, out for a quick buck, dishonest freelancers, you'll find many of them on odesk.
        How much did vworker pay you for this? :p
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      • Profile picture of the author DebB
        Originally Posted by Jusumax View Post

        There are thousands and thousands of freelancers on odesk, if 1 wont do it for the price point I want, someone else likely would
        Thats exactly what is happening with you. The price point you are putting up are in the low end so you are getting all the lowest end provider, so dont expect to get top quality service while paying low quality price.

        No freelancing site in this planet, can remedy your situation.

        Pay PROFESSIONAL FEES to get PROFESSIONAL SERVICES

        And you wont need status updates, wont need daily pushing, wont need to live in fear of your providers not delivering.

        And also have clear documented guidelines of what you want and what are your expectations. Do run your expectations thro a professional expert to make sure that it can be done in the time frame that you want.

        This is truth, this will continue to happen again and again and again, unless you learn your lesson.

        This is nothing new, this is same for any business, some are smart buyers and learn this real fast, that to run their business empires they need the best skilled and trusted generals while the losers choose the wrong guys to have a short term monetary gain, then start crying foul and blaming anybody that comes to their mind.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anomaly1974
    I am not arguing for or against hiring people on the freelance sites or pricing at all. I do agree that if they say they will do a job, it should be done. If you look at my personal history on any of the freelance sites however, you will find it is very sporadic as I generally just use them to supplement income or to gain new clients from time to time. That however, is my personal situation and not necessarily relevant to others.

    Again you bring up an interesting point and what I was originally amazed at. I do not "have my clients at my mercy" but rather work together with them so that we are both satisfied with the deal. The general concept I am getting at is if you cannot find people who will work with you and communicate with you, perhaps it is time to move on to a different service provider ... in any field.

    If someone is consistently getting poor service, maybe they are looking in the wrong place. If anybody has to get demanding, pushy or otherwise belligerent, it should definitely be seen as a red flag and time to move on. No matter what the price range is, this would hold true as well to the expected quality of work and other issues such as deadlines. Having been an expatriate for around eight years now, and having made most of my money almost exclusively online, I do charge a bit more. I also work with some people here who will do work for prices I would never consider getting out of bed for, much less working for. However, their sense of obligation and work ethics are the same as mine. As a general rule, there should not be any cause for anyone to have to be demanding or anything else other than reasonable and communicative. That was my basic point anyhow.
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  • Profile picture of the author vince wicks
    I guess that a freelancer and any other person will be able to meet the deadline if you specify what exactly you want to have done. I mean, if your task description is too obscure, you'll never have a situation when a deadline is met. So, the bottom line is: make sure that your project description is extremely clear.
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  • Profile picture of the author kret0s
    My experience with Elance has been pretty satisfactory...

    Most of the time, my clients finish the work early .. But I usually give them plenty of time to begin with.

    No bad experiences with elance yet...
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  • Profile picture of the author cmorrow
    When reviewing freelancers on different sites such as odesk elance. It allows you to view what other projects they are working on. If the developer has 10 open projects and they are big projects you may want to include that info info the decision process
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  • Profile picture of the author RySpencer
    My experience with oDesk is that these freelancers are always looking for work and they take on 5 full time projects at a time and get in way over their head.

    In my experience, I begin with small milestones that need to be met within days. If the freelancer can't handle this, I cut them immediately and suck up the loss. In the end an overworked freelancer can cost you a LOT of money.
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