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Is it ok to say what you really feel about a WSO?

by sodevious
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I just bought a WSO, and am left unpleased. I don't want to bash the creator on the product, but I'd like to leave my thoughts on why it wasn't what I expected. Is it ok to do this in the WSO thread itself? Just curious!
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  • Profile picture of the author Rose Anderson
    If you bought the product it is okay to state your opinion on the WSO thread. But stick to facts and don't become emotional or start name calling.

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  • Profile picture of the author GMD
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    If you purchased a WSO and you want to leave a review, your thoughts, your experiences -- even if it's negative, you have that right in FULL on the WF.

    And yes, you may leave your thoughts about the product that you purchased in the WSO thread.

    Obviously back up what you are writing. Don't make unfounded accusations or personal attacks. Keep your comments about the product, about your customer service experience(s), and be sure, again, to back up your critique with some examples or facts.

    Simply writing this "product sucks" might make you feel better, but people reading that won't give you much credibility...
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    Thanks for the feedback guys!
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  • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
    Yes, of course, and it is highly recommended. However, keep it very factual and realize that the product creator or anything else can call you on it.

    I posted some very truthful review information on a WSO I purchased and was immediately slammed as a liar by the product creator. He even emailed me saying that he would bash me all over the forum if I didn't remove the honest post.

    I removed it. However, time tells all tales, and in due time this person was banned from this forum.
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    • Profile picture of the author GMD
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      Originally Posted by TopKat22 View Post

      Yes, of course, and it is highly recommended. However, keep it very factual and realize that the product creator or anything else can call you on it.

      I posted some very truthful review information on a WSO I purchased and was immediately slammed as a liar by the product creator. He even emailed me saying that he would bash me all over the forum if I didn't remove the honest post.

      I removed it. However, time tells all tales, and in due time this person was banned from this forum.
      It's too bad that you did remove you post. Who cares if this guy wrote that he was "going to bash" you all over the forum? He can't. The mods would have nuked each and every one of those posts and he would have probably been warned and then eventually banned had the behavior continued.

      People: if you purchase a product, and it's not up to par, or just plain stinks, take a day or two to really think about it (never write a review based upon emotion only!) and then come back and intelligently and thoroughly outline your problems with the WSO.

      Example:

      I can't recommend to anybody that they purchase this WSO: "Make a billion dollars in 30 minutes by selling hens teeth in Iowa".

      And then outline as best you can WHY you believe that WSO was just down right worthy of a negative review.

      Don't remove the review if the author "offers" you a refund. What difference does the refund make? If the product is crap, it's crap and your review of the product should stand.

      If the author of the WSO threatens you privately, then post that threat on the WSO thread with your kind reply. If you feel in any way that you're being threatened or bullied because of your fair (yet negative) review, then report it.

      It's only fair.
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      • Profile picture of the author bloomingrose
        Originally Posted by GMD View Post

        It's too bad that you did remove you post. Who cares if this guy wrote that he was "going to bash" you all over the forum? He can't. The mods would have nuked each and every one of those posts and he would have probably been warned and then eventually banned had the behavior continued.

        People: if you purchase a product, and it's not up to par, or just plain stinks, take a day or two to really think about it (never write a review based upon emotion only!) and then come back and intelligently and thoroughly outline your problems with the WSO.

        Example:

        I can't recommend to anybody that they purchase this WSO: "Make a billion dollars in 30 minutes by selling hens teeth in Iowa".

        And then outline as best you can WHY you believe that WSO was just down right worthy of a negative review.

        Don't remove the review if the author "offers" you a refund. What difference does the refund make? If the product is crap, it's crap and your review of the product should stand.

        If the author of the WSO threatens you privately, then post that threat on the WSO thread with your kind reply. If you feel in any way that you're being threatened or bullied because of your fair (yet negative) review, then report it.

        It's only fair.
        Interesting discussion. Who exactly do you report this to? I want to know in case I ever come across this.

        You really can tell a difference in the businesslike models of sellers pretty quickly. There are some amazingly patient people here selling stuff - they put up with a lot of stuff without resorting to abusing them back. When I see someone do this, I take notice - that is a person that I might want to do business with in the future, even if I don't want their product right now.

        Please, please give an honest review. Right now I am on the forum looking to buy an article spinner, I hope someone is honest.
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Interesting discussion. Who exactly do you report this to? I want to know in case I ever come across this.
          Click on the little red triangle to the lower left of the post with the offer. Type in specific details of the problem. Then submit the form.

          That sends it to the mods for review.


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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            if you're selling something on a public forum... you have to be able to take constructive critizim on the chin.
            Ain't that the truth!

            You would be amazed at some of the things sellers complain about. One of the most common issues is someone posting the URL to a site mentioned in the product, and the seller reporting them for "giving away the method."

            Sorry, folks. If your "product" is so thin that the mention of a single URL (other than the download link) is going to ruin it, you probably shouldn't be selling it in the first place.

            That's a part of moderating I wish more people could see. Some sellers handle their prospects' questions and issues like serious, adult businessfolk talking to other serious, adult businessfolk. Others expect the mods to delete everything that isn't a raving testimonial, and they get downright indignant when we don't.

            It gets like a comic soap opera at times...


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            • Profile picture of the author T.R. McCarroll
              I would hope you post your comments so the product creator can
              learn to either tweak or do enough of an overhaul of the product
              so others might see the results expected.

              I have done a WSO and always appreciated the negative
              comments buyers have provided.

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            • Profile picture of the author TiffLee
              Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

              Ain't that the truth!

              You would be amazed at some of the things sellers complain about. One of the most common issues is someone posting the URL to a site mentioned in the product, and the seller reporting them for "giving away the method."

              Sorry, folks. If your "product" is so thin that the mention of a single URL (other than the download link) is going to ruin it, you probably shouldn't be selling it in the first place.

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              I actually ran into that problem about a week or so ago.

              ... I purchased a WSO and realized that, despite its claims and other glowing reviews, it was rather thin and, at best, a calculated business risk.

              I tried my best to write an honest review that stayed within all of the forum's guidelines. And, you know, I consider myself a fairly competent author ... and I seriously could not put together a review that did not: (a.) give the entire method away because it was so thin and (b.) Go beyond the limitations of what is allowed on the Warrior Forum.

              In order to save myself some grief, I just clicked out of the tab and had a glass of wine.
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              • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                Tiff,

                I think a good way to handle that would be something like...

                "This is a very 'thin' product. It's basically a pointer to an online resource and some very basic suggestions for using it."

                That wouldn't be fair if the seller included in-depth tips and non-obvious cautionary notes, or other things that go beyond just "Go to this site and download Dentublah. Make sure the chewing gum is fresh before starting your new project."

                Right up near the top of the post with the rules for the WSO forum is this quote: "After making a purchase please post your review. Since the forum does not review, recommend, or confirm the content of WSOs, and disclaims all responsibility for whether they live up to their promises, your truthful evaluation is important for all members considering a purchase."

                A lot of sellers try to paint any negative comment from a buyer of the product as "trying to harm the WSO." They clearly have not paid attention to all the rules, as that warning really only applies to people who haven't bought the product or who are making a deliberate and consistent effort to destroy it.

                Honest reviews are not going to get you in trouble. Even if they're devastating. Screaming that the seller is a thieving scumbag scammer probably will. But honest reviews? Nope.


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      • Profile picture of the author B.Smit
        Originally Posted by GMD View Post

        People: if you purchase a product, and it's not up to par, or just plain stinks, take a day or two to really think about it (never write a review based upon emotion only!) and then come back and intelligently and thoroughly outline your problems with the WSO.
        It would be great if those posting "good" reviews of a WSO also take this advice. If you buy a product, go through the PDF and/or videos and if you think it's a really great product, take a day or two to really think about why you like it. Never write a positive review based on emotion only - it's utterly useless to other people who are considering buying the product. After thinking about why you like the product, come back and intelligently and thoroughly outline why you think this WSO is worth the investment.
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        • Profile picture of the author Melvin Gonzalez
          Hi everyone, I will say that sometimes I feel that some guys sells anecdotycal products that only worked for the guy selling it or that the guy think it will work, but without using it themselves.

          Sometimes is curious to find that some warriors post their reviews telling how ingenious the method or product is, but the fact is that not all methods are suitable to everyone.

          There are really lots of people here that want to earn some money and lots of marketers are supposedly making tons of it with different methods.

          I have bought some warrior offers and I am starting to lose faith on the warrior forum special offers.
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        • Profile picture of the author MrMaxx357
          Its not what you say, Its how you say it...as long as its not an emotional tyriad then i think its fair game....I actually skip reviews that sound too good...I wanna know what people really think! Remaining positive ALL the time just for the sake of doing so is unrealistic....
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    • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
      Originally Posted by TopKat22 View Post

      I posted some very truthful review information on a WSO I purchased and was immediately slammed as a liar by the product creator. He even emailed me saying that he would bash me all over the forum if I didn't remove the honest post.
      If that happens to anyone, report it and let the mods sort it out.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
      Originally Posted by TopKat22 View Post

      Yes, of course, and it is highly recommended. However, keep it very factual and realize that the product creator or anything else can call you on it.

      I posted some very truthful review information on a WSO I purchased and was immediately slammed as a liar by the product creator. He even emailed me saying that he would bash me all over the forum if I didn't remove the honest post.

      I removed it. However, time tells all tales, and in due time this person was banned from this forum.
      You should have reported him to the mods...
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    • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
      I think me and him would of went to war, and I would of gave him my address to come and try to bash my head in. Nothing like a good ole fist brawl. I do not like bullies at all.

      Originally Posted by TopKat22 View Post

      Yes, of course, and it is highly recommended. However, keep it very factual and realize that the product creator or anything else can call you on it.

      I posted some very truthful review information on a WSO I purchased and was immediately slammed as a liar by the product creator. He even emailed me saying that he would bash me all over the forum if I didn't remove the honest post.

      I removed it. However, time tells all tales, and in due time this person was banned from this forum.
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    • Profile picture of the author TBInternetMarketing
      It would actually be quite refreshing. You always kind wonder when you read 'reviews' how honest the guys are being. I'm not saying they are lying through their teeth, but maybe the guy asked them to do a review, and they feel too bad to go to town on his product if it's not that good, if he meant well.

      Yea say what you think for sure.
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  • Profile picture of the author leesr
    I've refunded a bouple myself lately, without discussing it in the WSO.

    But yes, as a purchaser you are entitled (and often expected) to leave a "review", postive or negative. This helps fellow warriors and may even help the creator improve his current or future products.

    You can be honest and still be professional and respectful, with posts like;

    "I was disappointed in this WSO because I personally already had most of the information from other sources'

    as opposed to something like;

    "Don't buy this WSO. It sucks. Everybody already knows this stuff".

    If you get flamed by other posters just try to ignore them. Totally.
    The WSO thread for for the creator's sale, not a debate.

    My 2cents.
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  • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
    Actually, even if you bought it - the WSO thread is the only place where you can leave a feedback. Never here, in the main forum! And you are even expected to give a feedback - good or bad.

    Be careful and talk (write) only about the product, not about the author/seller.

    I'd say, just for the sake of clarity here, don't say what you "feel". Feelings are subjective things; describe the facts!
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    • Profile picture of the author Jere Kuisma
      Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

      Actually, even if you bought it - the WSO thread is the only place where you can leave a feedback. Never here, in the main forum! And you are even expected to give a feedback - good or bad.

      Be careful and talk (write) only about the product, not about the author/seller.

      I'd say, just for the sake of clarity here, don't say what you "feel". Feelings are subjective things; describe the facts!
      What? Obivously I will rant about the author/seller if he is ignorant bast*** and does not offer support etc. Why wouldn't I? Support and communication with the seller is most of the time part of the deal.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
        Originally Posted by sodevious View Post

        I just bought a WSO, and am left unpleased. I don't want to bash the creator on the product, but I'd like to leave my thoughts on why it wasn't what I expected. Is it ok to do this in the WSO thread itself? Just curious!
        Here's a question. Is "what you expected" something that was actually promised?

        I find myself getting a bit dreamy sometimes when it's a good sales letter.

        Originally Posted by TopKat22 View Post

        Yes, of course, and it is highly recommended. However, keep it very factual and realize that the product creator or anything else can call you on it.

        I posted some very truthful review information on a WSO I purchased and was immediately slammed as a liar by the product creator. He even emailed me saying that he would bash me all over the forum if I didn't remove the honest post.

        I removed it. However, time tells all tales, and in due time this person was banned from this forum.
        I would have had them banned sooner. Actual threats from other people are unacceptable.

        Originally Posted by leesr View Post

        I've refunded a bouple myself lately, without discussing it in the WSO.

        But yes, as a purchaser you are entitled (and often expected) to leave a "review", postive or negative.
        Some sellers are slow to realize this comes with the territory of advertising in that particular area.

        If you want to sell something on a page that does not allow comments, go make your own site or advertise elsewhere.

        Originally Posted by GMD View Post


        I can't recommend to anybody that they purchase this WSO: "Make a billion dollars in 30 minutes by selling hens teeth in Iowa".
        I think I bought that one. It works!

        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        What an astonishing claim... And you have bought enough products in the WSO section to make this statement with some degree of confidence? Or are you just repeating what you've heard other people say, who have also not bought enough products to say it?l
        Of all my spending in the WSO section last year, I somehow managed to get all the winners. Maybe he needs my personal list.

        Originally Posted by Quahas View Post

        What? Obivously I will rant about the author/seller if he is ignorant bast*** and does not offer support etc. Why wouldn't I? Support and communication with the seller is most of the time part of the deal.
        So, you blindly expect everything to be perfect in the WSO'S? Let me ask, do you do your own due diligence? You know - look up the seller, look at their contributions to the forum, look to see who else has commented on an offer and look at who those people are too?

        Are you not able to spot an "ignorant bast***" before making the purchase?
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        • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
          Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

          I think I bought that one. It works!
          Well, yeah, but they don't tell you that the hen's teeth also have to be in Iowa. Those Iowa folk don't take kindly to no imported hen's teeth, and while the profit margin is decent enough there's still a hefty investment required... you need relationships with suppliers, ongoing volume commitments, and warehouse storage, all of which eats into your profits... it's not at all like when you get Chinese hen's teeth dropshipped on demand. But of course, Chinese hens have more teeth.
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  • Profile picture of the author thelionz
    You have all the rights to provide your opinion on a WSO IF And Only IF you have tried product yourself. Its a basic human right i suppose, "Freedom of Expression"...
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    • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
      Originally Posted by thelionz View Post

      You have all the rights to provide your opinion on a WSO IF And Only IF you have tried product yourself. Its a basic human right i suppose, "Freedom of Expression"...
      Wrong supposition...
      That's how the urban legends start - your basic civic (not human!) right of freedom of expression is that you can say whatever you want on the street corner. It is one of the basic rules governing the public aspect of our society's life.

      Here, we are on a private (web) property of an individual person. Here your and my) "freedom" is limited by the rules imposed by the owner. It works as in the real life: if somebody comes to my house - he has 2 options. Either behave as I expect it in the limits of good manners or get out now
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  • Profile picture of the author Glen1
    You definitily have the right to post a negative review (be professional). As long as you bought the product (its stated in the WSO forum rules) but in many cases expect the creator to ask you to remove it claiming you are harming their WSO.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      It's too bad that you did remove you post. Who cares if this guy wrote that he was "going to bash" you all over the forum? He can't. The mods would have nukes each and every one of those posts and he would have probably been warned and then eventually banned had the behavior continued.
      Yep. Except that if it was provable that he made that threat, it wouldn't have taken all that long for the thread to be nuked, or for him to get banned.

      Reviews that follow the basic rules do not get removed, positive or negative. We will stomp on the personal attack type comments when they're reported, sure. We'll also stomp on them from a seller.

      Threats like that, or withholding a requested refund until a negative review is removed, do not often end well for the sellers.


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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    I don't do WSO sales but ... I do sell occasionally {:-) online. Even negative, factual reviews help me as a product creator and even more as a service provider.

    I still find it funny that a refund request for an information product is often, "I already have heard all of this."

    There is very few true secrets in IM. Most of what you have heard before works .. if you put it to use. None of it works sitting idle in your mind.

    A recent refund request stated they already knew a traffic technique, as I was sending the refund I was thinking, the 200 plus people that pay me to do this weekly sure seem to like it very much .... if you were truly applying this ... you wouldn't have needed to look for a traffic booster in the first place.

    But of course I replied "Thank you for your interest in our product, refund sent"
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    The more information you can pass on about a wso, the better. People are usually hesitant to provide negative information, and that gives a scam artist some cover (worst case).

    Or it gives a bad offer extra life which it shouldn't have.
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  • Profile picture of the author Eduard Stinga
    Sometimes "negative" feedback is welcomed, depending on the seller's mindset - because based on it, he can work and improve the product or his next products
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  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
    I have bought a few things here and some things were great some not so great. I leave my feedback as I see it. I think you owe us this, we should know what the product is and does and if it lives up to the standards set forth in the WSO.

    Not leaving a comment is as bad as falsely making a comment.

    Now other places like dp and bhw I have bought a whole lot more. I have no problem even with a freeby ie; review copy of leaving negative marks.

    I am so tired of spending my hard earned money on theory. I want something that is proven and has action. Don't sell me your thoughts. Sell me something you have used and know it works.

    To give an example here is a sample post of mine.

    I have bought ----- here is my review.
    1.-----
    2.-----

    ect ect.

    To sum up my review the pros -----
    the cons------

    Then I may ask for my refund.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Bratcher
    Three words: Freedom of Speech

    If you are displeased with your purchase, I would first contact the seller to see if you can work something out before publicly blasting them.

    If you feel like you have been mislead or blantantly ripped off, then I would directly comment about this in the WSO thread.

    I understand people want to play nice but transparency is necessary to make IM work for everyone.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by fatherflame View Post

      Three words: Freedom of Speech

      If you are displeased with your purchase, I would first contact the seller to see if you can work something out before publicly blasting them.

      If you feel like you have been mislead or blantantly ripped off, then I would directly comment about this in the WSO thread.

      I understand people want to play nice but transparency is necessary to make IM work for everyone.
      I get the main point of your post, but would like to point out two things for the benefit of anybody else reading this thread.

      1. We only have "Freedom of Speech" here so long as that speech is allowed by the owner. While there is great latitude given for what can be said, it is not an absolute right where we can say anything we wish.

      2. Isn't contacting the seller privately the exact opposite of transparency? A dishonest seller LOVES the idea of people being "transparent" in private, but they are the ones that need to be warned against publicly. An honest seller, who may actually benefit more from a private message, will be the one who is most welcoming of true transparency, not to mention constructive criticism.

      All the best,
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      • Profile picture of the author thedog
        I get the feeling most warriors don't complain... if it's warrented, that is.

        I've had experience with this..... false advertising with a wso... I was the only one to bring it up... and was then sort of backed up by a few other warriors... on the thread that was huge.... I think most are afraid of pissing off the gurus...

        Anyway... good points on here, don't get all emotional... if there's a problem, well, why not, just use constructive critisizm.

        I bought a product recently, and, while it was pretty good, was clearly not worth the price tag... I never bashed the product, just mentioned this in my review... the seller was not too happy... but... if you're selling something on a public forum... you have to be able to take constructive critizim on the chin.
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  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
    I was just delivered a wso purchase. It was something I bought for social bookmarking, it was a service.

    I will not complain about that though, I got what I paid for. I should of read it better and asked questions. It was a bookmarklet and ping service to 30 sites. Some were pr4 most were just pr1, Not one name a regonized. I did check them out and they are real sites with lots of visitors but will not carry the same weight.

    That on is my fault although I think if you offer a service like that you should stick with the top social sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author stesnees
    If you bought it, you're entitled to your opinion of it. Simple as that. As others have said though, keep it friendly and on good terms. There's nothing wrong with a little bit of honesty.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    I think you owe it to yourself and other customers to leave your honest review. I think people seem to have this fear they will be frowned upon if they say anything negative about a WSO and thus why you very rarely see those types of comments.

    There needs to be more transparency from buyers me thinks.
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    • Profile picture of the author goindeep
      Ive been in customer service as a rep, manager, leader etc for a looooong time. Too long in fact and I know both sides of the story. So sticking to pure cold hard facts is the only way to go.

      But make sure before you complain or review that you have taken a look at the situation from all sides and all perspectives.

      e.g. was the product not what you 'expected'? Why did you expect something else? Was it something in the copy?

      But the other thing is this; did you get a refund? If so, why waste time on it. Are you here to market or are you here to review and complain? It can burn your time and energy up, trust me.
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  • Profile picture of the author dukestravels1972
    Its interesting how FEW people actually do write negative reviews in the products ad page...its like they're terrified. I suppose its a little daunting to go against the status quo, when the ad page is drenched in dubious praise comments...
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    • Profile picture of the author thedog
      Originally Posted by dukestravels1972 View Post

      Its interesting how FEW people actually do write negative reviews in the products ad page...its like they're terrified. I suppose its a little daunting to go against the status quo, when the ad page is drenched in dubious praise comments...
      This is exactly what it is... it's the same in business offline too...

      I challenged a forum big gun, and only a small few people backed me up... even though what I was saying was completly correct...

      Now, maybe this is a potential business bridge I burned... but I don't mind, I'd rather be ethical myself, and deal with ethical marketeers... I plan on sticking around for a while, so, I'm not into making false claims.

      If you're product is quality, does what it claims, and you're honest and don't try to decieve people... then you've nothing to worry about... and if you do get negative feedback for what ever reason, you should be able to stand by your product, and handle it in a professional manner...

      I mean, even if you're product is top notch, they're are bound to be unhappy customers.

      I posted this in a sepearate thread, but have to mention it here... as it's just funny... it's still making me laugh...

      I just started offering fiver gigs... posted one, which was a fun gig... I have video footage of Times Square in New York... with a big billboard... the gig is that I can put you pic, logo etc on the billboard.

      I got my first sale... then they email saying, is this really my ad on a billboard in Times Square.. if not, I'd like a refund...

      I mean... there will be times when you have customers like this...

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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    A good review of why you did not like it is fair. Products are not created to please everyone so an honest review good or bad is actually a good thing. However ensure that you have read the product first.
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  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
    No; I would say 98 percent of the products there are crap. Something needs to be done to shorten the list. They are letting anyone sell anything they want no matter what it is. And Warriors are posting junk, Some don't even have enough posts to cover the letters in there name. I mean come on something needs to be done.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sara Nightingale
    It's definitely good to leave constructive feedback. Product bashing is not necessary by any means, however user interface, bugs, or possible improvements are at times welcome so that way next time they create a product they can use customer feedback as a guide.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      No; I would say 98 percent of the products there are crap.
      What an astonishing claim... And you have bought enough products in the WSO section to make this statement with some degree of confidence? Or are you just repeating what you've heard other people say, who have also not bought enough products to say it?
      I mean come on something needs to be done.
      Yeah. People need to grow up and start posting honest reviews of whatever they buy there, instead of writing the bad ones off.

      If you think the forum has enough moderators to review every product before it's posted, you will need to reconsider. We don't, and that sort of review process would very likely end up making the act of approving an offer into an endorsement.

      No way. Not happening.


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      • Profile picture of the author MP80
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        People need to grow up and start posting honest reviews of whatever they buy there, instead of writing the bad ones off.
        Agreed.. And personally, I would like to see a lot less of these types of reviews:

        'High Five Dude.. YOU ROCK!!!'

        'Hey my man.. You nailed it again! Yeah!!'

        'Thanks for your totally AWESOME product.. Buy this now everyone!'

        'If you are still looking at this product.. Why?! This is a NO-BRAINER!!!'

        Lol. They often appear to come from friends/JV partners, and add no value whatsoever IMHO.

        BTW - I am not sure that these are exact quotes, but I'm sure you get the idea (These were also generalized statements, and not a controlled study... :p)

        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Sorry, folks. If your "product" is so thin that the mention of a single URL (other than the download link) is going to ruin it, you probably shouldn't be selling it in the first place.
        I couldn't agree more.

        Just the other day I saw a WSO thread that was the opposite of this, and it was refreshing. You could have been forgiven for mistaking it as a thread from the main forum - The OP was open, honest, and giving very thoughtful/in-depth replies. IMO, a WSO thread like that creates goodwill towards the seller, and makes people (well, me at least :p) want to buy the product and get involved in the discussion. It was a nice change from the usual 'Please do not discuss the product on this thread - send all questions to support' anyway.

        @sodevious Whenever I post a review, in the back of my mind I am always thinking: 'One day it will be me selling a WSO' and so I comment accordingly. My advice is to treat others as you would want to be treated if the shoe was on the other foot... While being completely honest and sticking to the facts of course!
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  • Profile picture of the author bloomingrose
    And one more thing - while I really treasure people being respectful, it is so appreciated when someone gives just a bit of information that helps me decide whether to buy something. I am not on the WF because I am a trust fund baby with time to kill. I need to make a buck, and I have learned that those $7 dollar purchases add up. It is nice when I get the kind of review like this "Jonny's Kindle product was great in this way, you will like Geoff's for this reason." Not negative, but it provides real data.
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  • Profile picture of the author shanferg
    I find it best to be direct and factual on any post that you make, as for a wso if you purchased one and were'nt happy with what you got or perhaps it was'nt what you expected by all means let your opinions be known on the subject but be tactful and honest about it as well in the long run it helps your credibility and the creator of said product may be able to solve your dilema as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author owenlee
    There is no WSO that suits everyone and results depends on how much effort is put into it...

    You can feel free to express yourself in the reviews but to be fair to the owner, it would be good to list out what actions are taken on your part so that the rest will learn..rather than put that is a lousy WSO..
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  • Profile picture of the author espresso
    what i want more of is accounts of it working.
    Weather the WSO actually delivers what it says
    If the WSO is meant to show you how to get 10,000 visits a day to your site
    Say if it has worked for you.
    If says it will tell you how to make 10k a month does it do this.
    Has it worked for you
    Two often I read reviews that say: Its a great lead, new method I have never heard of before.

    That might be true but doesn't mean it works
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      what i want more of is accounts of it working.
      Weather the WSO actually delivers what it says
      This would be excellent, if the WSO section worked the way it used to. That is, special deals on products people were selling outside the forum, and which were intended to have some long term legs under them.

      Unfortunately, most of these products, even the best of them (well, especially the best of them) take a longer time to produce results than the usual shelf life of a WSO product. And, by the time results are showing, the customer is busy doing more to make money, and forgets to go back and post a review.

      That is a flaw in the system, but it's not one I can see a practical "fix" for.


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  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
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    No; I would say 98 percent of the products there are crap.

    What an astonishing claim... And you have bought enough products in the WSO section to make this statement with some degree of confidence? Or are you just repeating what you've heard other people say, who have also not bought enough products to say it?

    You are absolutely right. I have not bought enough to make that kind of statement. It was a generalized statement not a controlled study statement.

    Now you have to admit there is more stuff in the wso that is theory than reality. I tried to search the wso's for something I needed and got so frustrated sifting through the push button this and that and the make thousands and thousands that I quit.

    I will say one thing about you though, and that is thank you for the way you post. You used no name calling and you were quite professional, that is a refreshing. I see your post count and that is great, it shows you have seen more here than me. I do though however call it like I see it and sometimes too much steam overloads the brain. I do appreciate your style. (Yeah I noticed.)
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Now you have to admit there is more stuff in the wso that is theory than reality.Now you have to admit there is more stuff in the wso that is theory than reality.
      That's not my personal experience with the WSOs I've bought for my own use, but I tend to be good at spotting the BS. And I'm not interested in the usual "Make $X,zzz in a week" stuff.

      A fair chunk of the WSOs I buy are to see what the member is up to. Those can get... interesting.
      You used no name calling and you were quite professional, that is a refreshing.
      You haven't done or said anything to have earned the nasty treatment, so you don't get it.

      I can be quite snarky when I think it's the best way to accomplish the desired purpose of a post, though. It's not my preferred style, but I'm fairly good at it when I want to be.

      Just like any other form of communication: You use the approach that's most appropriate to the situation.


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      • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        That's not my personal experience with the WSOs I've bought for my own use, but I tend to be good at spotting the BS. And I'm not interested in the usual "Make ,zzz in a week" stuff.

        A fair chunk of the WSOs I buy are to see what the member is up to. Those can get... interesting. You haven't done or said anything to have earned the nasty treatment, so you don't get it.

        I can be quite snarky when I think it's the best way to accomplish the desired purpose of a post, though. It's not my preferred style, but I'm fairly good at it when I want to be.

        Just like any other form of communication: You use the approach that's most appropriate to the situation.


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  • Profile picture of the author bkdubs
    I have some things to sell, and will do so shortly.

    I would rather have honest comments, in order to help others make a decision to buy.

    better that then refunds, although if you need one of them so be it.
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    HELL YES!

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  • Profile picture of the author danlew
    Yes it's fine what you really feel about a WSO. As a customer, you have the rights to say anything about it. Don't write a good review if you're not satisfied to it. You are convincing the product creator to improve something that customers may be finally satisfied.
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  • Profile picture of the author rapidscc
    Writing your review on the WSO thread is alright and is the norm.
    However, don't write based on your "feelings" of the WSO.

    That is subjective. Some people would feel happy about buying it
    and if you feel sad after you purchase it, it could be due to
    several things like buyers remorse..

    But if you write a review based on your results after implementing
    the things in the WSO then that is perfectly alright whatever the
    results are.
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    It's good to tell your point of view on a WSO that let you down, but with facts to support your affirmations.
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  • Profile picture of the author MaggieMay
    I recently bought a kindle wso that I thought was rubbish. I sent a pm to the author and politely asked for a refund. I was refused. I then left a post on the thread stating that I was unhappy with the wso and thought there were far better kindle wso's to spend money on. She, the authhor had my post removed. So maybe its not possible to post an honest opinion.
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    • Profile picture of the author T.R. McCarroll
      Originally Posted by MaggieMay View Post

      I recently bought a kindle wso that I thought was rubbish. I sent a pm to the author and politely asked for a refund. I was refused. I then left a post on the thread stating that I was unhappy with the wso and thought there were far better kindle wso's to spend money on. She, the author had my post removed. So maybe its not possible to post an honest opinion.
      Any way you would be willing to post the text here of how the review was written? In doing so others can figure out "how not to write a WSO review".

      Or maybe not :-)

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      • Profile picture of the author topgun129
        yes - b/c that is what we are here to do - to learn from each other. we do that one way by learning from others mistakes and experiences. so if you think a wso isn't up to par, feel free to state it!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
      Originally Posted by MaggieMay View Post

      I recently bought a kindle wso that I thought was rubbish. I sent a pm to the author and politely asked for a refund. I was refused. I then left a post on the thread stating that I was unhappy with the wso and thought there were far better kindle wso's to spend money on. She, the authhor had my post removed. So maybe its not possible to post an honest opinion.
      Did you state why you were unhappy with the WSO in a fair, objective manner?

      You CAN post an honest review in the WSO thread as long as it's:

      1. Clear you actually purchased the product. So stating that you are a purchaser is a good start.

      2. Must be fair and objective. When people write "this is a scam" or "this is a crappy product" without any kind of proof goes against the rules. You have to give relevant details.

      I saw a person write that the WSO seller was a scammer because they had not responded to their ticket in under 8 hours. That's just not reasonable. Give them at least 1 to 2 business days.

      3. Keep it civil. No name-calling and no making any accusations you can't back up.

      Lastly, if someone has a CLEAR refund policy in their sales copy or video and they do not honor it use the report post icon to alert the mods. Do not use the Help Desk for this.

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      • Profile picture of the author NicheMayhem
        It amazes me this is even a topic for discussion. The basis of leaving reviews is to share your experience with a product for others to base their decision upon. If there were nothing but positive reviews with all negative reviews omitted, then what the hell is the purpose of a review? Any time that you purposefully alter reality to benefit you or anyone else you are doing something dishonest and wrong.

        Personally, if I read through a WSO thread and see nothing but positive reviews with no substance, I get skeptical. Nothing is perfect for everyone because we are all vastly different.

        Be honest and be cordial, keeping in mind that although a product may not work for you it may for others. Accompany your review with some substance and walk away knowing you did the right thing. No mod on this forum will hang you out to dry if your doing the right thing. Positive or negative, honesty truly is the best policy.

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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          I recently bought a kindle wso that I thought was rubbish. I sent a pm to the author and politely asked for a refund. I was refused. I then left a post on the thread stating that I was unhappy with the wso and thought there were far better kindle wso's to spend money on. She, the authhor had my post removed.
          A: The author did not "have your post removed." They may have reported it, but a lot of those reports get looked at and deleted, because they aren't valid problems.

          B: I'd wager there's something more to the story than you're saying. And, given the assumptions you've packed into this post, I would not be surprised to find you were in violation of several rules about reviews. (Here's one hint: Don't link to a competitor's product in a paid sales thread.)
          So maybe its not possible to post an honest opinion.
          Seriously? Are you really going to spout this same old tired nonsense and expect to be taken, well... seriously?

          If you want to see if negative reviews are left intact (as long as they stick to the basic rules: buy it, be civil, be specific), just browse through any thread in the WSO section longer than a page or two. There are some threads with multiple pages of negative reviews, and others with just a few. There are plenty to see if you actually look.

          Maybe the policy isn't the problem. Maybe it's your approach.


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        • Profile picture of the author ShaneGorry
          Yes write reviews without emotion and provide the required proof. However buying without emotion and avoiding WSO's that lack the required proof may lower the amount of times you will have a need to write a negative review in the first place.
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  • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
    Judging by the number of glowing reviews every WSO gets, you'd think they were all instant millionaire makers. Since that isn't the case, I'd say there is an unhealthy scratch my back and I'll scratch yours attitude on this forum. This isn't a popular thing to say but it is never the less the truth. Great for the people who get sales from it, bad for the new people who never progress.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Jack,
      I'd say there is an unhealthy scratch my back and I'll scratch yours attitude on this forum. This isn't a popular thing to say but it is never the less the truth.
      The normal sequence with a long thread is "Read first, then reply."


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      • Profile picture of the author TiffLee
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Jack,The normal sequence with a long thread is "Read first, then reply."

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        Thanks, Paul.

        ... now my Cheerios and milk are all over my keyboard.
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          Tiff,
          ... now my Cheerios and milk are all over my keyboard.
          We in the trade call that 'alphabet spew.' bah-dum-bum

          Tankeweverrymuutch, folks. I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your waiters, and drive safe everybody.
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      • Profile picture of the author Nicola Lane
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Jack,The normal sequence with a long thread is "Read first, then reply."


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        But why would anyone want to do that? It would get in the way of increasing a post count, or displaying a sig link.

        Honestly, do you think people come here to discuss things and perhaps learn something - or even (shock, horror) to help others out?????












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  • Profile picture of the author mrmcd
    Absolutely!
    Times have changed, I think today it's easier to sell than giveaway stuff, which didn't use to be the case. Also, selling instead of giving away stuff will build you a list of people that buy. One other thing, once they have bought (your wso), no matter how cheap it is, it's a real transaction, and if they get real value, you're well on your way to selling again! And this time, something with a bigger price tag.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulthemagpie
    you have bought the wso so you are allowed to give an honest review.

    as long as you not setting out to ruin it then its fine to say how you feel. Its only fair if you have spent money on it and you feel its a load of BS that you should say its a load of BS.

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  • Profile picture of the author princecapri
    Very interesting discussion.

    I know (first hand) of a WSO program that KICKED OFF a buyer who posted tad-negative review about the service. The money was refunded, but I was amazed that the person got kicked off!

    I was shocked, and whilst I agree with the person who was kicked off, I am keeping my mouth shut because I want to see my money's worth, even if it takes 6 months! Apparently that guy delivers, so I should wait.

    I like WSO forum, but not their (Product Owners) approach towards handling negative criticism. Also, will there ever be a day when we see negative feedback on the sales page? It amazes me that the obscure, negative feedback gets hidden under bulk of ''DUDE THIS ROCKSSSS!" kind of messages.
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  • Profile picture of the author martyJames
    I think its VERY important to say if you didnt get value from a WSO . There are too many 'positive' reviews that are just plain fraudulant in my view- eg there buddies or cronies hype it up - very unethical. By all means give an honest review even if you do not like the wso - as it gives prospective buyers a balanced view of the wso.
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  • Profile picture of the author Riggs
    I encourage everyone to leave honest feedback regarding WSO's, as I've bought four so far and they've all deviated coming anywhere near the positive comments left prior to my purchases. IMO, far too many warriors jump on the positive feedback bandwagon far too often.
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    • Profile picture of the author BIG Mike
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      if you really need,you can
      One liner pearls of wisdom...:rolleyes:

      I mentioned this in another thread today, but will repeat it here because the entire issue can be most easily resolved if more buyers would use the WSO thread the way it was intended....

      ...By asking pre-sale questions.

      If you can't get satisfactory answers to your questions, then don't buy. And thus you avoid the entire issue to begin with.

      I'm rarely displeased with anything I buy online or off, because I take the time to research, question and make sure that it's what I want or will suit a particular need.

      It doesn't matter if it's a $20K purchase or a $7 one - don't focus on the reviews/comments of people you don't know...ask the seller directly. Ask as many questions as you need to help you make your decision.

      If you don't ask and just buy blindly, then you're probably going to end up being your own worst enemy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Global Warrior
    If I may, I'd like to expand it a little...... There is one members here who in his signature states..."Free Download" but his product isn't free.

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    • Profile picture of the author ShaneGorry
      Originally Posted by Global Warrior View Post

      If I may, I'd like to expand it a little...... There is one members here who in his signature states..."Free Download" but his product isn't free.

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      Hmmm maybe they meant they're not charging a download fee.
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      • Profile picture of the author Global Warrior
        Originally Posted by ShaneGorry View Post

        Hmmm maybe they meant they're not charging a download fee.
        Its an affiliate.....

        So watch what happens when i now request a refund.........

        Im the one that will get it in the ass :-(

        On Tippie Toes

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  • Profile picture of the author richfit
    Originally Posted by sodevious View Post

    I just bought a WSO, and am left unpleased. I don't want to bash the creator on the product, but I'd like to leave my thoughts on why it wasn't what I expected. Is it ok to do this in the WSO thread itself? Just curious!
    Absolutely! This helps the owner of the WSO so he/she can improve the product. That's really feedback every business owner should welcome!

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  • Profile picture of the author Ettienne
    Yes, please do! Other WF members ALWAYS appreciate honesty, it's the WSO creator that should ensure quality before posting here. Don't hide your feelings, if you're not happy, tell EVERYONE why! Unless of course, it's a software or plugin with a minor bug that's not compatible with your current platform or something of the sort.

    If a product does not deliver what it promises, nail them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Global Warrior
      I THINK

      In my case, it was an affiliate promoting something for free that actually cost $9.00.

      I requested a refund just based on that but also sent the author a PM.

      it would P**s me off if the affiliate still gets his $9.00 (or whatever)

      Will watch this space
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      • Profile picture of the author ShaneGorry
        Originally Posted by Global Warrior View Post

        I THINK

        In my case, it was an affiliate promoting something for free that actually cost $9.00.

        I requested a refund just based on that but also sent the author a PM.

        it would P**s me off if the affiliate still gets his $9.00 (or whatever)

        Will watch this space
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  • Profile picture of the author gojiberryman
    Yes you should state your opinion about the WSO but try not to be so harsh. No one should be nervous about posting a negative point of view. For instance, I purchased the Little Cash Bot created by Max steigemier and found that the product was very faulty. I paid 97 dollars cash for the darn thing and after the purchase, my account wanted me to pay another 97 dollars to get more traffic. That wasn't the agreement. So, I went on a rant on facebook about the whole thing but did not call Max any names or anything. I just stated the facts. I hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oliver Williams
    If I am looking at a WSO I always look for reviews from other (preferably trusted) warriors. If someone leaves a negative review I appreciate the honesty if it is constructive and truthful.
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  • Profile picture of the author SumikoW
    Just be truthful in a non abrasive post. Tactfully...
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  • Profile picture of the author MilesT
    There is fear in IM.

    As we work hard to get a footing, create products and build relationships - there are many, and in that "many" are those who could be partners or customers, who may be willing to retaliate either directly as a negative post, or indirectly by blacklisting you for being honest. I've seen it before and I know it happens here regularly.

    That fear drives most reviews, even if the product was the WORST product ever, fear of loss gives us bad judgement when deciding on truth, or playing nice.

    I bought a $7 WSO :rolleyes: last week and it was bad, making outsourcing claims that could ruin the product and kill sales. I could tell the product was put together in a couple of hours and I'll never buy from that marketer again. The reviews were shallow at best.

    Quality IMers, especially the ones on WF, would never resort to retaliation as this is such an open community. But there are many who will try to, at the very least, ruin your day, or at worst lie about you to the forum, if you're honest with them about a weak product offering.

    My advise, never be careful when leaving a review! Always be honest and take it on the chin if you have to. Most here will understand an honest review and will always back you up.
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      Originally Posted by MilesT View Post

      There is fear in IM.

      As we work hard to get a footing, create products and build relationships - there are many, and in that "many" are those who could be partners or customers, who may be willing to retaliate either directly as a negative post, or indirectly by blacklisting you for being honest. I've seen it before and I know it happens here regularly.

      That fear drives most reviews, even if the product was the WORST product ever, fear of loss gives us bad judgement when deciding on truth, or playing nice.
      Totally agree.

      As someone who has burned his share of bridges in the past, I have learned from my mistakes. I have learned that you cannot give a negative review on a public forum especially in a sales thread for that product without risking retaliation from the product owner and their followers.

      So sure you can leave one, but don't expect the product owner to be happy with it as it completely destroys their sales momentum. I fully understand that that would be the purpose, but it's more political then you would think in there.

      Also sometimes it's not the product at fault at all, it's the buyer who had no business posting a negative review because they didn't even put forth any effort into the product. They're attacking for malicious reasons outside the realm of the product itself. (Been there too and that sucks).
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Fereday
    I believe you should post your evaluation of a product, but only after you've actually tried using it.

    Your comments can help not only the people who might buy it to make a decision, but if it's a poor product they may even help the person who made the product to fix what is lacking.

    (That assumes of course that they didn't just put something up for sale that had no real value to its users)
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  • Profile picture of the author pizzatherapy
    I'll never buy from that marketer again.


    I have bought a number of WSO's.

    Some were stellar. Some were marginal. But I have learned something from each one. If nothing else, then to never buy a product from Warriors who create marginal products.

    I think it's important to be honest and factual in your review of the product.

    I also think you need to read the entire sales letter and the thread before you hit the buy button. And then re-read it to make sure you understand what you are buying.


    To many people are searching for that magic bullet...and as well know there is no magic bullet.

    Buyer beware...
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  • Profile picture of the author black_muffin
    yeah, some wso are really lame. honestly, say what you think
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  • Profile picture of the author EddieGilbert
    Yes...

    You have the right to express what you thought of the product...

    You *don't* have the right to make personal insults, attacks, or threats.

    I'd say that, if you're displeased with the product and want to post a negative review, do so using the facts of the matter.

    If you're so *totally* ticked off that you want to scream things like: "SCAMMER"... "CROOK"... or "LOWLIFE"...

    I'd suggest that you wait until you've calmed down a bit, *then* post that review.

    Another thing...

    If you post a bad review and the seller makes it right?

    Have the common decency to edit your original post with that fact.

    Hey... Fair is fair... Right?

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  • Profile picture of the author crxfan
    I am pretty new and I don't see any non positive reviews, it would be nice if people left some real reviews. My 2cents though.
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    • Profile picture of the author Oliver Williams
      Originally Posted by crxfan View Post

      I am pretty new and I don't see any non positive reviews, it would be nice if people left some real reviews. My 2cents though.
      You can usually find them if you look hard enough.
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  • Profile picture of the author katnyc
    I wish that people would leave honest feedback when using services, on WF and in other places. It would save others a lot of headache. Based on personal experiences, I am often left feeling like the testimonials are not 100% accurate.

    When I have a positive experience I do post about it, as well as not so positive experiences. At the moment I am giving a WF vendor the chance to fix some issues with a product. I am confident that my expectations will be met.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kael41
    Sometimes the ONLY feedback a seller gets is impressions inside of a thread. I, as a wso seller, welcome all of it. Plus I'm betting on it actually validating a product or service I offer. Why else offer up something to the public..

    Oh, that's right..unless you want to scam people for selling rehashed stuff with no thought process to spin anything..of course...

    and that's where negative impressions are left as well. I welcome all of it!
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  • Profile picture of the author Claire Koch
    I'm of the opinion that everyone is different keep that in mind when you review negatively use IMHO (in my humble opinion) just because you don't like it doesn't mean everyone doesn't like it.
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  • Profile picture of the author RySpencer
    Before leaving a negative review it is always important to go back through the WSO sales thread and make sure that there were no lies.
    Most of the WSO's being sold rehash the same info, only they present it differently. As long as the product was what you bought from the sales letter then sometimes the onus is on you.
    IF the product is really poorly presented and not what the sales letter states, then you should definitely leave a negative review.
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  • Profile picture of the author LegitIncomes
    Originally Posted by sodevious View Post

    I just bought a WSO, and am left unpleased. I don't want to bash the creator on the product, but I'd like to leave my thoughts on why it wasn't what I expected. Is it ok to do this in the WSO thread itself? Just curious!
    Absolutely, 100%.

    HOWEVER, before leaving a negative review, I would suggest the following:

    Contact the author and let them know your concerns. They may be able to provide you with additional information that would turn your negative review into a positive.

    Now, if the author doesn't contact you, or provide satisfactory info, than all bets are off. But at least give them a chance to address your concerns.
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmanjack
    Of course and those of us that buy WSO's appreciate the honest feedback as opposed to the fake positive feed back.

    Just be prepared for some pm's from the WSO owner.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamieSEO
    For me it depends on the reason I was not happy with the product.

    If I had already read 3 bazillion ebooks on that topic, it is highly likely that I would not find much new. If there was no new info for me, then while I might ask for a refund because I could not use it, I would not leave any feedback.

    The only time I ever leave negative feedback is when the product delivered does not live up to the sales pitch. In that case, I try to leave balanced feedback explaining the negatives, but also mention if there were any positive points.
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  • Profile picture of the author clean99
    Of course!!! I think you should do that so you can warn other warriors not to get the product...
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