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12 years ago

Of course you can re-use the article, it's yours!

I'm sure the publisher purposely intended for it to go on their website instead of their ezine - but it's possible that they could link to it within their ezine. If not, it's no big loss, you're still getting exposure either way.

Continue to offer it to others who many need quality content, cast it as wide as possible.

Be sure to get it indexed on your website first.

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Ash R

12 years ago

You could ask the site owner to link back to your site. He might not agree. But either way, get your article indexed and link out to some authority sites, then backlink it - I've had non-unique content rank high using those steps.

And yes, since it's your content, you can do whatever you want with it

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chintangurjar

12 years ago

I am damn sure publishers intend for it on their site instead of their own. Ezine-but it 's possible that they could associate with their internal it 's ezine if there is a large loss is still risk damage you.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by canyon

I know, I know, I should have waited

This.

Originally Posted by canyon

Now, can I still give the article to syndication to other websites?

Certainly.

You could have given it to any ezine you liked after its intended initial indexation on your site, and in exactly the same way you can still give it to any ezine you like after its initial indexation on his site instead. And after all that, you can still dump a copy of it in Ezine Articles and see who else might want to syndicate it from there, too. Every additional copy published, from now, with your link, can still bring you traffic (and a backlink).

Don't worry about this - it's only one article, and there's no real harm done.

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Lucian Lada

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

This.

Well, I don't know what happened. I always get my articles indexed in a matter of hours, and it's still not indexed.

Also, I didn't expect the ezine owner to publish the article on his blog at all - I was expecting either to publish it in his ezine or not.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by canyon

I always get my articles indexed in a matter of hours, and it's still not indexed.

Also, I didn't expect the ezine owner to publish the article on his blog at all - I was expecting either to publish it in his ezine or not.

"Expect the unexpected"! ...

Really, don't worry about it - it's only one article and in the long run, it makes virtually no difference to anything. (I think you already know to ignore completely the comments above from people who are confusing "ezines" with "article directories"?

:p ).

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Lucian Lada

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

"Expect the unexpected"! ...

Really, don't worry about it - it's only one article and in the long run, it makes virtually no difference to anything. (I think you already know to ignore completely the comments above from people who are confusing "ezines" with "article directories"? :p ).

I ignore them because I don't understand what they are trying to say (really, I can't decipher them!) :p

However, I'm sending an email out to the publisher that accepted it, thanking him and kindly asking him if I can do something to get featured in his ezine. I have to do it, he holds over 20k subscribers in his list.

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Alexa Smith Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by canyon

I don't understand what they are trying to say

They don't know what an "ezine" is ... they think "Ezine Articles" is "an ezine". Just ignore.

Originally Posted by canyon

I'm sending an email out to the publisher that accepted it, thanking him and kindly asking him if I can do something to get featured in his ezine.

Yes, good idea ... no downside that I can see. Good luck!
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mrkallen

12 years ago

Thats happen with me too but they posted in the directory as well.

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Trevor

12 years ago

Try to ask him in a polite way to shut the article down from the blog. If you cannot make him shut it down, then at least try to persuade him to include a link to your site in the article. Google is quite good at finding out who the author of content is, and such a link can be treated as a great sign of author attribution.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Trevor

Try to ask him in a polite way to shut the article down from the blog.

That would be a strange decision indeed.

You write articles for syndication, publish them on your own site, send them by email to others inviting them to syndicate them, and then when they do so, you'd write again and ask them to remove the article?!

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MattCatania

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

That would be a strange decision indeed.

You write articles for syndication, publish them on your own site, send them by email to others inviting them to syndicate them, and then when they do so, you'd write again and ask them to remove the article?!

... it must be Article Marketing 2.0.

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Lucian Lada

12 years ago

Trevor, i forgot to say that he included my link, he didn't do anything wrong, i was just expecting to be featured into his ezine rather than his blog.

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ELK

12 years ago

Sounds like this could be your "foot in the door", and perhaps you'll get the chance to get future articles in either his ezine and/or his blog (even if he doesn't do it this time). Congrats on finding a syndication partner!

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Lucian Lada

12 years ago

Update:

The ezine owner replied and told me the articles appear randomly either on his website or his ezine. He also said that the ideal articles are the ones that have not appeared anywhere else.

Now what should I do? I'm thinking I should reply him offering something like a weekly contribution, not published anywhere else except my website (of course, I will offer it to syndication later), and I explain to him the reason I do this is not to outrank or something, just to make sure what's mine is mine (what's the reason we want our articles indexed first on our websites, anyway?)

What's your take?

Update 2:

I could do the following thing: Make a standard article, then rewrite it and give it to him as unique, and never published anywhere else before.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by canyon

The ezine owner replied and told me the articles appear randomly either on his website or his ezine.

Curious ...

Oh well, what can you do?

Maybe he has strange ideas about syndication and (for some reason best known to himself) doesn't want to put in his ezine something he's already published on his blog? (A bit bizarre! but maybe he has a reason?).

Originally Posted by canyon

He also said that the ideal articles are the ones that have not appeared anywhere else.

LOL ... well, it's his business, he can run it how he likes. Personally, I would not respond to that comment at all. I'm certainly not going to have an argument with him, if he might be able to publish any of my articles in front of a targeted audience of 20,000 people.

The syndication to his website may also be pretty good, you know? He might mention or give links to the website in the ezine, when it goes out? And/or he might have a lot of website readers, too.

Originally Posted by canyon

Now what should I do? I'm thinking I should reply him offering something like a weekly contribution, not published anywhere else except my website (of course, I will offer it to syndication later)

Yes, interesting. Could be well worth trying.

If he'll put them in the ezine (and not on his site first!) it might even be worth sending them to him before putting them on your site, and then as soon as they go in his ezine, get them on your site quickly? That way you could perhaps get a massive flood of targeted traffic and get the initial indexation rights, yourself? Might be worth trying him with one or two articles on that basis? You could perhaps offer him regular articles specifically for the ezine (if he'll agree to that) and tell him he can have them "unpublished anywhere else" on the understanding that they're for the ezine and not for his website? I would be tempted to try this, I think. You'll know, after one or two articles, whether he lives up to his end of the deal, anyway? So the downside is pretty limited, from your perspective. Just a suggestion ...

Originally Posted by canyon

and I explain to him the reason I do this is not to outrank or something, just to make sure what's mine is mine (what's the reason we want our articles indexed first on our websites, anyway?)

Personally, I would try to avoid any conversations about SEO with him, on the grounds that probably his ideas on this subject are not very rational ones, and that can easily turn into a thankless task.

Originally Posted by canyon

I could do the following thing: Make a standard article, then rewrite it and give it to him as unique, and never published anywhere else before.

Well ...

You could.

So far, I would not be willing to do that, myself. I might consider it as a "last resort" if I really can't "do business with him" on any other basis. :confused:

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by canyon

Update:

The ezine owner replied and told me the articles appear randomly either on his website or his ezine. He also said that the ideal articles are the ones that have not appeared anywhere else.

Now what should I do? I'm thinking I should reply him offering something like a weekly contribution, not published anywhere else except my website (of course, I will offer it to syndication later), and I explain to him the reason I do this is not to outrank or something, just to make sure what's mine is mine (what's the reason we want our articles indexed first on our websites, anyway?)

What's your take?

Update 2:

I could do the following thing: Make a standard article, then rewrite it and give it to him as unique, and never published anywhere else before.

Firstly, let me congratulate you and say that you've taken a step that the majority won't take... and that's taking the required action to write an appropriate article and actively seek out places to syndicate it.

As I said in the previous post, I would continue to pitch that article to other relevant webmasters.

For that specific website, I don't see any downside to what you've done. He wants unpublished content for his ezine, but if he's willing to post articles on his website after you've had them indexed on your own then great!

You'll still get targeted eyeballs to that article; don't look at this situation as you losing traffic because you're not being published within his newsletter, instead, look at this opportunity as leveraging existing traffic from his website.

As Alexa mentioned before, if the owner frequently posts a link back to his website from within his ezine then can you only benefit from such an action. This will happen when a flood of information-hungry readers arrive at his website and are, hopefully, confronted with your eye-catching, controversial/curiosity pulling article title and, almost like magic, they click on it to read more.

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Ord Allenbea

12 years ago

Build a few backlinks to the post on your blog from social media sites. Take the article's first half (first few paragraphs) and post it on places such as multiply, livejournal, and a few other social sites.

When posting the half article you want to add at the bottom "Read More" and link to the blog post. This will help you in getting your blog post indexed.

You are free to syndicate the article, after all it is your article. You could rewrite a few sentences if you choose to do so before syndicating it to other places.

Originally Posted by canyon

I've written an article which I offered to an ezine publisher. The ezine owner put it on his blog, but did not mention anything regarding the inclusion in the ezine.

The problem that I face is that although I posted the article on my website 2 days ago, it didn't get indexed by Google, and it's now indexed by this website. I know, I know, I should have waited, but who thought it'll land on his blog instead of the ezine?

Now, can I still give the article to syndication to other websites?
And how can I politely ask the ezine owner to include the article into his ezine rather than on the blog? I don't want to come across as pushy.

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Lucian Lada

12 years ago

Update 3, It's getting interesting!:

I've noticed the guy (the ezine owner) tweeted the article title with a short link back to it. I looked at how many people are following him, and it turns out to be over 17,000.

Now, I'm not great with numbers and estimations, but let's make an approximation:

From those 17,000, let's say less than 10% click on it, or even worse, just 1,000 which is ... I don't know

From 1,000 readers, let's say, 10% go further and click my link, which is nicely disguised in the last paragraph, gently inviting people to visit my website for more information, but not it's not something evident at all. That's about 100 people, right?

Well, get this, I only have 2-3 visits since then (and one could be the ezine owner itself, visiting the website, making sure he's not linking to something fishy).

What's wrong? I mean, I may not be the best article writer, but if this guy posted my article next to articles written by top experts in the niche, I guess it's not a piece of parc (read it backwards), so why am I not getting any CTRs?

Mind boggling!

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Alexa Smith Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by canyon

why am I not getting any CTRs?

We can't answer this accurately/reliably, without knowing more and seeing the article, but the following observations spring to mind ...

(i) You might need to wait longer

(ii) His 17,000 "followers" might have learned to ignore him completely because he's actually a bit of a schmeckel - who knows? You've only just encountered him yourself, and the first two things you yourself learned about him were that he did something strange with your article and that he probably doesn't understand what "duplicate content" is

(iii) The syndication part is a numbers game: it might pay you to ignore him for now and get your article syndicated to 10 other relevant places and maybe even to get another one written (though that's less urgent than achieving widespread syndication of the first one)

I'm "just saying".
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PatriciaJ

12 years ago

Originally Posted by canyon

Update 3, It's getting interesting!:

I've noticed the guy (the ezine owner) tweeted the article title with a short link back to it. I looked at how many people are following him, and it turns out to be over 17,000.

Now, I'm not great with numbers and estimations, but let's make an approximation:

From those 17,000, let's say less than 10% click on it, or even worse, just 1,000 which is ... I don't know

From 1,000 readers, let's say, 10% go further and click my link, which is nicely disguised in the last paragraph, gently inviting people to visit my website for more information, but not it's not something evident at all. That's about 100 people, right?

Well, get this, I only have 2-3 visits since then (and one could be the ezine owner itself, visiting the website, making sure he's not linking to something fishy).

What's wrong? I mean, I may not be the best article writer, but if this guy posted my article next to articles written by top experts in the niche, I guess it's not a piece of parc (read it backwards), so why am I not getting any CTRs?

Mind boggling!

Probably because you have 'nicely disguised' your link and 'gently' invited people to visit your site. You need to tell people to visit your site and give them a good reason to. Another thing is that he might have that many followers but it doesn't follow that 10% will click on his tweet. Many of the followers might just be reciprocal that never click on his tweets.

I think that you are getting too anxious and should realise that you have done well getting your foot in the door. Most website owners would say that the ideal articles should be unique to them but it doesn't sound like he's making that a condition.

It also sounds to me that your article will have legs and probably continue to do well with syndication on other sites. As they say 'rinse and repeat' but learn from this time.

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Lucian Lada

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

(i) You might need to wait longer

This is the 3rd day since it was published, I think waiting any longer won't help, he already tweeted another few articles plus his personal conversations.

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

(ii) His 17,000 "followers" might have learned to ignore him completely because he's actually a bit of a schmeckel - who knows?

I see. Here is my opinion on this: I've had a tweeter account for another niche, and made a lot of followers by following others (they in return followed me). After a while, I quit tweeting. The number of followers then drastically dropped to about 50% in just a few weeks.
So my conclusion is that if they are still following him, they are interested to some degree.

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

I'm "just saying".

I think that's your trademark (besides changing the avatar like some change their socks

Originally Posted by PatriciaJ

Probably because you have 'nicely disguised' your link and 'gently' invited people to visit your site. You need to tell people to visit your site and give them a good reason to.

Here is how to resource box looks like:

"You see, <niche related problem fixing> is not that easy at it sounds. You need <resource 1>, <resource 2> and <resource 3>. You can get more of <resource 3>, by visiting my personal blog, www.mynichewebsite.com, but it's ultimately up to you if you want to <fix niche related problem>."

That's a rough illustration, but I don't want to make it too obvious, I heard the syndication chances will drop.

Originally Posted by PatriciaJ

Another thing is that he might have that many followers but it doesn't follow that 10% will click on his tweet. Many of the followers might just be reciprocal that never click on his tweets.

Yes, that too, but still, we are talking 17,000 freaking people

Side note:

The article title is something like "How to be <niche related result> and shine like a star <at a specific place>".
I wanted it to be a little catchy so more people will click on it.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by canyon

still, we are talking 17,000 freaking people

Maybe "freaking" people are not the type of people we need, then?

Slightly more seriously, things like this only reinforce my impressions of "social traffic" or whatever people call it. I'm happy with anti-social traffic, myself.

Much more seriously, I hear you and you make some good points, and I don't know the answers to them. Move on, and have your article successfully syndicated in as many other places as possible, and keep changing your socks ...

:p

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Ord Allenbea

12 years ago

I agree with Alexa. Wasting too much time on this when you could be out there syndicating your article and marketing that article to pay off for you.

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Much more seriously, I hear you and you make some good points, and I don't know the answers to them. Move on, and have your article successfully syndicated in as many other places as possible, and keep changing your socks ...

:p

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by canyon

I see. Here is my opinion on this: I've had a tweeter account for another niche, and made a lot of followers by following others (they in return followed me). After a while, I quit tweeting. The number of followers then drastically dropped to about 50% in just a few weeks.
So my conclusion is that if they are still following him, they are interested to some degree.

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Yes, that too, but still, we are talking 17,000 freaking people

First question: How do you know those 17,000 followers aren't the remains of what was 34,000 before? You also don't know how many people actually saw the tweet, especially if it was only tweeted once. You should know from your own experience that the flow of tweets will scroll any individual tweet out of sight very quickly if the people you follow are active at all.

Another thing to consider: He has 17,000 followers. With the advent of people "selling" followers on Fiverr and such, those 17k might represent that many accounts but not real people.

Overall, I think Alexa's advice to let this one lie for awhile and get some more publishers is sound. Obsessing over what happens with one individual publisher over one article isn't much different than obsessing over where Google ranks you for one keyword. The scale is just smaller.

As the Bible says (in a much different context

), go forth and multiply...

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Ord Allenbea 12 years ago

The amazing part is you are showing how useless your service is for 85 cents a post that you are pushing in your signature.

Originally Posted by Neonkiller

You should push for what is rightfully yours..

@JohnMcCabe - Excellent points and great insight! Too many people get fooled by the "I have a bazillion followers" tactic. This is the same as having 20 of your closest friends create testimonials for your newest shiny object and those same 20 friends seem to be affiliates for the product but never have used it.
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12 years ago

Originally Posted by canyon

I've written an article which I offered to an ezine publisher. The ezine owner put it on his blog, but did not mention anything regarding the inclusion in the ezine.

The problem that I face is that although I posted the article on my website 2 days ago, it didn't get indexed by Google, and it's now indexed by this website. I know, I know, I should have waited, but who thought it'll land on his blog instead of the ezine?

Now, can I still give the article to syndication to other websites?
And how can I politely ask the ezine owner to include the article into his ezine rather than on the blog? I don't want to come across as pushy.

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You should go to EZA articles and put up an email to "ASK @ Chris" they will give you feedback. you can also go to their page Contact US page to get an answer.

You should submit that to other article directories or content syndication like Squidoo and Yahoo Voices etc.

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Alexa Smith Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Avy Smith

You should go to EZA articles and put up an email to "ASK @ Chris" they will give you feedback.

Respectfully, Avy, I think you've misread the OP, or something.

This discussion has nothing to do with Ezine Articles at all.

An "ezine" is a subject-specific newsletter, sent out to its subscribers by email.

It's not the same as an "article directory".

"Ezine articles" is an "article directory". It's called "ezine articles" because it's intended to be used by ezine publishers as a source of syndicable content for their ezines. "Ezine articles", in that context, means "articles for ezines". http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ries-work.html
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  Originally Posted by Alexa Smith
  
  Respectfully, Avy, I think you've misread the OP, or something.
  
  I like her username though.
  
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