A List of 600 Should Make Me How Much..?

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I saw in the Aweber complaint thread earlier that a guy with a list of 600 was pointing out the tiered pricing of Aweber now (it must not apply to old customers or something). Anyway, I have many subscribers but all in different niches. In my IM niche I have a growing list of around 200-300. In the thread people were saying if you have a list of 600 you should have more than enough to pay for an expensive auto responder service like Aweber...

Ok, so how much? How often are you promoting to them? I was waiting to get my list up to a good size since I figured a list of a few hundred was more or less worthless. I didn't think a list was that profitable until you got up in the thousands (of course this depends on how responsive the list is and who it is comprised of). I'm just interested in how someone would monetize a growing, yet small, list.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarkR
    Andrew,

    It depends on the niche, how you got the leads (freebie seekers, etc.), the products you have, your prices, etc. The general feeling is that you should get $1/lead/per month.

    Mark
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    • Profile picture of the author AndrewHansen
      The best way to monetize it is investing everything you can into making those 600 people think you are the coolest, smartest, most resourceful, most trustworthy dude on the planet... and actually BEING that dude.

      If you've got 600 people who think that of you (assuming it's in a market of people who are seeking information and products and have credit cards) you could make a fortune.

      Good luck.

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      • Profile picture of the author jacquesgroen
        Originally Posted by AndrewHansen View Post

        The best way to monetize it is investing everything you can into making those 600 people think you are the coolest, smartest, most resourceful, most trustworthy dude on the planet... and actually BEING that dude.
        Excellent response there Andrew. He is right, those people on the list really have to think this in order for you to really gain their trust. Send them a list of really easy keywords if its in the IM niche and they'll be really happy. Tell that list that you got those INCREDIBLE keywords using Micronichefinder or something similar. Its really easy to market to them.

        Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author Shaun OReilly
    It's not the SIZE of your list that is most
    important.

    Far more vital is your RELATIONSHIP with the
    people on the list and how well you find out
    what they want and give it to them.

    Your choice of target market will also be a
    highly influential factor as well as your
    overall strategy.

    Size is NOT everything.

    Dedicated to your success,

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  • Profile picture of the author Ken Preuss
    Originally Posted by Andrew Maule View Post

    Ok, so how much? How often are you promoting to them? I was waiting to get my list up to a good size since I figured a list of a few hundred was more or less worthless. I didn't think a list was that profitable until you got up in the thousands (of course this depends on how responsive the list is and who it is comprised of). I'm just interested in how someone would monetize a growing, yet small, list.
    Andrew,

    The idea that small lists are not profitable or worth your time is a myth.

    When it comes to list monetization the answer is: there is no "should" and there are no rules. Your list is as profitable as you create it to be.

    If you're selling a $495.00 per month membership and your sales sequence converts and buyers stick, guess what? That 600-person list will be *ridiculously* profitable. If you're selling a $17 e-book with no back-end products, a list of 600 will produce hardly anything for you.

    As another poster mentioned, other factors are who is comprising your list (freebie-seekers vs. warm prospects vs. rabid buyers) and how well your offerings match their wants.

    Everyone tends to make list building and monetization complex. But it really comes down to business 101.

    Hope this helps,
    Ken
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    • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
      Originally Posted by Ken Preuss View Post

      Everyone tends to make list building and monetization complex. But it really comes down to business 101.
      That's VERY easy to say Ken. but...

      It has to be remembered that a HUGE percentage of people looking to make money online, have no real life business experience. The fact that I think people should get that experience before they look to start a "business" is a whole other thread, we can't overlook the fact that it is true.

      People who don't appreciate fundamental business practice(s), through no fault of their own (lack of experience is not something we can hold against anyone), will inevitably look at things like a maze when really it can be a straight road if things were laid out in a way that catered to those who don't have that business experience..

      Imagine if list building guides catered more to the psychological side of owning lists?...taught things like purchasing/exposure cycles?

      Traffic generation/giveaways/free offer marketing is NOT list building, yet most list building guides/courses show people how to do things BEFORE the opt-in....

      When, really, the true art of list building is done behind the autoresponder.

      Collecting names is just another type of conversion that comes as a result of traffic generation... list building is mind magic

      Just Sayin'

      Peace

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  • Profile picture of the author Clark
    Jay, that is an incredibly intelligent post that is worthy of multiple Thanks.

    I always enjoy reading your insightful and powerful posts.

    Imagine if list building guides catered more to the psychological side of owning lists?...taught things like purchasing/exposure cycles?
    I couldn't agree more.

    Cheers!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    Concentrate on the relationship with your list... and start by creating a followup system in your autporesponder.

    Like Jonathan Mizel, you should be creating a ton of followup messages giving great content and promoting products (with your own or recommending other people's products).

    You need to do this ASAP.

    Mike Hill
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  • Profile picture of the author mikemcmillan
    Like Shaun said above (and others) it's all about relationship building. Try to give your subscribers something of value in each mailing. Too many people have nothing but boilerplate junk in their mails filled with affiliate links. People will unsubscribe or simply not open your mailings if there is too much of that.

    They say a name should be worth 1-1.5 bucks a month, but it really depends on the relationship you have with subscribers.

    A lot of the gurus in IM mail 3-5 times a week--really! I amil 2 times a week and include something of value in each issue. Many times I will not include any affiliate links just to gain some degree of confidence in my subscribers.

    Give something of value in each issue. Mike Rasmussen, in his Get More Buyers, talks about prospect lists and buyer lists. As he says, your buyers list is infinitely more valuable than a list of tire-kicking freebie seekers. A good buyers list doesn't have to be big to make you good money.

    Another thought. Jonny Andrews, in his Guru Assassin, says that when his own list got to the point of 2,000 names--that was the tipping point in his business. When you get to tht level you can consider doing ad swaps with other people and your list can then start to escalate exponentially. When you get to 10,000 names you can JV with the gurus and again your list will balloon.

    And, the best way to explode your list is to crate your own product and get some big JV partners to promote its launch. Run the numbers. A big Clickbank product launch may sell 5,000 units in a month following its launch. Suppose it converts at 4%. That means that 5,000 x 25, or 125,000 visitors must have hit the pitch page. Let's say that 20% of them opted-in to the publishers newsletter or freebie. That's 25,000 names they get added to their list.

    Go back to the $1 per month-per-name on your list. What's that do to your wallet? Do something like that and you'll get JV offers from the gurus every day of the week. Every time you hit the send button on your email--well, it's like robbing a bank.

    Rob Benwell sold over 20,000 units of Blogging To The Bank I & II for $37 bucks a whack. If his site converted at 4% that means he got 500,000 hits to his site. What do you think that did to his list? He's under 25 years old. Most kids his age are shoving tacos out through a drive-through window.

    Food for thought. Chew slowly and digest well.

    All the luck in the world Andrew!
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  • Profile picture of the author Steveb2u
    depends on the product being sold, but I have heard the same $1 per lead that MarkR mentioned many times.
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  • Profile picture of the author toddperk
    My slogan has always been: "People 1st, Money 2nd."

    Just as the above posters have stated, I agree with them in that you should really try to improve your relationships of trust with them if you want to make money from your list. The more trust you have with them, the more products they will buy from you.
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  • Profile picture of the author dmarze
    List of 600 subscribers can make you six figure income or nothing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy McDonald
      What you're asking is relative...

      Take your list of "600" and mail something to them, an offer.

      At the same time Frank Kern mails to a list of 600 that doesn't have any of your people on the list (so there is no worry of deciding between the two).

      Who do you think will make more money? ...

      And the obvious reason is why? ...

      It's not about the number of people on a list, but various factors (in no particular order):

      1. Relationship with the list

      2. The offer made

      3. Qualified list? (can't sell million dollar yachts to a list of people looking to get out of credit card debt).

      * This is an "ideal" example, because there is nothing saying that you can't beat the pants off of anyone in the above scenario... There isn't really any magic, but there are steps and common sense that some people just look over, because, "it just has to be magic".
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    • Profile picture of the author futuredan
      I offer some valuable info to my list even in the emails I'm sending out specifically to sell them something. I think it's all about providing value, or they soon cease to pay attention.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        The "theory" is that you should make $1 per month for every person on your
        list. I feel it depends on the list. My list does about $3 per lead per month.
        I'm sure there are some lists that don't make any money at all.

        It depends on many factors including:

        1. How targeted your list building efforts are in the first place.
        2. What kind of info you're giving your prospects.
        3. How often you mail.
        4. What AR service you're using (lower deliverability lowers sales)

        So there is really no way to answer your question accurately.
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  • Profile picture of the author bob_sikorski
    Forget The Money!

    Start building a relationship with your list. Why did those 600 people sign up on your mailing list? If it was for information then give it to them. Then give them more info. Then the next day - give them more free info.

    The bottom line is "Over Deliver" on whatever your mailing list subscribers where searching for.

    The Money will come later once your subscribers start trusting you. Even a list of 600 could return a nice monthly income.

    Bob
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  • Profile picture of the author TimRobinson
    Also don't worry about sending offers every once in a while. (So long as you are promoting it in a friendly "this is cool check it out" kind of way).

    I used to be afraid of sending out offers thinking some subscribers might get upset that I'm not sending them free content like always. But I realized, if they aren't ever going to pay me anything ever then why do I want them on my list anyway?

    You should be building a mutually beneficial relationship with your subscribers, you give them awesome stuff and they pay you in return, not you give give give and they give nothing back to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Spencer
    Originally Posted by Andrew Maule View Post

    I saw in the Aweber complaint thread earlier that a guy with a list of 600 was pointing out the tiered pricing of Aweber now (it must not apply to old customers or something). Anyway, I have many subscribers but all in different niches. In my IM niche I have a growing list of around 200-300. In the thread people were saying if you have a list of 600 you should have more than enough to pay for an expensive auto responder service like Aweber...

    Ok, so how much? How often are you promoting to them? I was waiting to get my list up to a good size since I figured a list of a few hundred was more or less worthless. I didn't think a list was that profitable until you got up in the thousands (of course this depends on how responsive the list is and who it is comprised of). I'm just interested in how someone would monetize a growing, yet small, list.

    Rule of Thumb is 1$ per person but that depends on quality. I mean freebie seekers make up a lot of lists so they usually don't buy as much.

    For me, I'm not close to 1$ per person. i'm workin on that by creating higher priced products and more products in different price points. That will segment the freebie/low price buyers and the higher ones.

    Once you create a $97+ product, you'll start making the revenue. The product funnel really is true. I'm seeing that in my biz along with my partners' businesses. You make more money off a lot fewer prospects...but it makes up a big chunk of your revenue.


    Hope that helps...


    Brad Spencer



    PS- Another quick tip is to constantly survey your list....get them to create content (ask for a question they have related to the niche...then compile your answers into an ebook!)
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