Member Moderation - A Little Restraint?

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I just watched a thread get reported and zapped - and don't really understand why. A new member posted a thread and, yes, he had a signature....

-but he didn't tell people to go to his signature
-it was his site - three lines in signature were three pages on his domain

He was almost instantly called out - and then others jumped in and some of those were new members themselves. The post was not earth shaking nor was it offensive.

Member moderation is good but I hope we can keep it in "moderation". Before reporting someone for an affiliate link - make sure it IS an affiliate link (this wasn't). And please - before posting "you'll be banned", think again - that's not something members decide nor should it be used as a threat.

Just because someone is a new member doesn't mean they aren't trying to contribute here. And before you "chime in" to join a bashing look for yourself to see if there is a violation of the rules....or not. If you aren't sure, do nothing. There are newbies here who will spam and should be reported. There are also new members who are trying to find a way to contribute.

Let's give them a chance!

Rant over. Picking up soapbox and exiting (quickly) stage left.

kay
#member #moderation #restraint
  • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
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    • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
      Kay, I'm personally banning you for stirring up trouble.

      Hey, don't f*** with me, I'm a *drum roll* MEMBER MODERATOR!!!
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      • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
        Originally Posted by KenStrong View Post

        Kay, I'm personally banning you for stirring up trouble.

        Hey, don't f*** with me, I'm a *drum roll* MEMBER MODERATOR!!!
        I have just reported you to the MIB. It seems your alien registration doesn't allow you to occupy this office.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Thanks for correcting me on that one. I didn't see the previous ones. It was one of several threads I'd seen in the past day or two. The one you mention seemed OK to me so I probably the saw corrected version - but maybe he was trying to improve?

      Just hate to see us get so judgmental that we attack without giving some explanation or chance for the new member to get with the program. In this case, sounds like you had already done that.

      kay
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          Ken -

          I had to look up "defenestrator" - you make up your own words, too?
          Or do you just throw things and people out the window

          I've been threatened by the best - a while back got 4 infractions in 7 minutes from one person. Bless his little heart, he's no longer with us. Once he found the infraction button he was a madman.

          If I think someone new is just misinformed, I usually use PM rather than infractions as infractions seem to bring on a defensive reaction in many people. Adding an explanation is a great idea.

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  • Profile picture of the author mmurtha
    Hey Kay, I like your spirit about moderation, and giving the new people a chance.

    I'm not sure I fully agree here though:
    If I think someone new is just misinformed, I usually use PM rather than infractions as infractions seem to bring on a defensive reaction in many people. Adding an explanation is a great idea.
    Not that I give out a lot of infractions because I don't. I've given very few out, but I've had just the opposite reactions. In almost every circumstance where I gave an infraction, the person PMed me to ask why, and how can they keep from getting more of them.

    I'm one that will write out a short explanation when I give one, and in a nice way. Perhaps that's why.
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    • Profile picture of the author Azleboy
      Yes I think that makes all the difference because alot of newbies are completly unaware of what they did wrong!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
    Kay, your post is out of line, and I'm tired of it!

    Retrain?

    I damn well don't need to be retrained to moderate around this place. Maybe you need retraining. Maybe your family needs retraining. Maybe your pets and neighbors need retraining, but I don't. Go retrain yourself!

    And while you're at it, step down off that high horse too and stop giving advice. It's obvious to me that you don't have a damn clue about what you're talking about.

    Man, this kind of post really pisses me off.





    Ooooohhh... you said... restraint.
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    • Profile picture of the author KarlWarren
      Originally Posted by John Rowe View Post

      Man, this kind of post really pisses me off.

      ... oh... you said... restraint.
      Could have been:

      Member Moderation - A little restaurant...

      I also feel that education is a better way of dealing with those who may not be familiar with the rules, I tend to advise rather than jump on. Unless the jumpee really deserves it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
      Originally Posted by John Rowe View Post

      Maybe your pets ... need retraining
      Originally Posted by John Rowe View Post

      step down off that high horse
      That's quite an unusual pet.

      Harvey
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  • Profile picture of the author Jared Alberghini
    I truly loathe repeating myself, (I don't speak often, but when I do, I expect people to listen).

    I feel this topic justifies a duplicate response that I gave here:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...tml#post484933

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    • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
      Originally Posted by Jared Alberghini View Post

      I truly loathe repeating myself...
      What?




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      • Profile picture of the author Jared Alberghini
        Originally Posted by John Rowe View Post

        What?




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        I don't like repeating myself... simple Italian to English translation for you'se John.

        Dang it John... you've got me repeating myself again!!! arrrggghhh... that does it... I've got a special pair of cement boots just for you...
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          Maybe your pets and neighbors need retraining,
          Actually, they do....

          WHAT did you tell me to do to myself

          John, are you in Ken's defenestrator club? I knew it! What a great word.
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      • Profile picture of the author IMChick
        Originally Posted by John Rowe View Post

        What?




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        He he he, member moderator here to let you know that YOU are BREAKING the RULES with a one word post. And "restraint" is too kinky for the WF!
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    • Profile picture of the author Craig McPherson
      Originally Posted by Jared Alberghini View Post

      (I don't speak often, but when I do, I expect people to listen).
      Do you? roflmao
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  • Profile picture of the author Suthan M
    Worth saying..Normally i notice if you tell the new guys nicely, they tend to listen, and will look up to you and be a good online buddy.

    Points to ponder
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Wilkinson
    HMMM Any wonder some of us post less and less here and have
    removed our sites from sigs.

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  • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
    I'm going to bed and felt I should post.

    To be honest, from the responses, I can't tell if all my posts above were taken with the humor they were written. Sometimes it's hard to hear humor in the writing, even with the smileys. So here are 10 more just to be sure...




    PS: I am somewhat curious though about who knew my posts were in jest?
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    • Profile picture of the author mmurtha
      Thomas Wilkinson,

      HMMM Any wonder some of us post less and less here and have
      removed our sites from sigs.
      Hmm ... no I don't wonder. Perhaps it's because a lot of the reason stems from people not being able to self promote in threads or use affiliate links in their sig files. So they figure why waste their time if they can't sell themselves or their products in the manner they want to.


      Originally Posted by John Rowe View Post

      I'm going to bed and felt I should post.

      To be honest, from the responses, I can't tell if all my posts above were taken with the humor they were written. Sometimes it's hard to hear humor in the writing, even with the smileys. So here are 10 more just to be sure...




      PS: I am somewhat curious though about who knew my posts were in jest?

      John,

      Lol I always take your posts and comments in jest. You don't know how to be any other way.
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      • Profile picture of the author Thomas Wilkinson
        Originally Posted by mmurtha View Post

        Thomas Wilkinson,



        Hmm ... no I don't wonder. Perhaps it's because a lot of the reason stems from people not being able to self promote in threads or use affiliate links in their sig files. So they figure why waste their time if they can't sell themselves or their products in the manner they want
        and all those one line "way to go" posts that are nothing more than post

        counters designed to expose sigs are OK?

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        • Profile picture of the author mmurtha
          Originally Posted by Thomas Wilkinson View Post

          and all those one line "way to go" posts that are nothing more than post

          counters designed to expose sigs are OK?

          Tom
          No Tom,

          They aren't okay. I didn't mentioned them is all, and don't read something into my post that isn't there. Just because I give an entire list doesn't mean squat.


          Tina,

          No, Thomas, those guys usually end up with disappearing posts as well.

          No system is perfect but it's better than the forum turning into a giant waste dump for spammers, isn't it?

          Tina G
          Well said, and right on the money!

          Lol about the rules comment too. That's a fact! I people would take 3 minutes to read the rules of this forum, there would be less hard feelings, less whinning, and more quality post/threads.


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    • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
      I saw it

      You've got a dreadful sense of humor (same as me) so I recognise it lol

      Originally Posted by John Rowe View Post

      PS: I am somewhat curious though about who knew my posts were in jest?
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    Yup... I get it John...
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    A quote from the classics...

    "When I have nothing to say
    My lips are sealed
    Say something once
    Why say it again?"

    All the best,
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    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
      Hi Michael,

      Qu'est que c'est?

      Love the Byrne.
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    • Profile picture of the author oneempowered
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      A quote from the classics...

      "When I have nothing to say
      My lips are sealed
      Say something once
      Why say it again?"

      All the best,
      Michael
      You can say that again.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLCarroll
    Wait. We're starting a Warrior's restaurant for people with restraints???

    I had a high horse once, but I lost my balance and fell off. Ouch.
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  • Profile picture of the author globalpro
    You know, people wouldn't need the restraints if they would remember to take their medication.

    Also, what kind of cuisine will the restaurant be serving up? I am partial to Italian.



    Thanks,

    John
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    • Profile picture of the author TLCarroll
      As long as I get eggplant parm, I'll wear restraints.

      Originally Posted by globalpro View Post

      You know, people wouldn't need the restraints if they would remember to take their medication.

      Also, what kind of cuisine will the restaurant be serving up? I am partial to Italian.



      Thanks,

      John
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  • Profile picture of the author grumpyb
    Hi
    I am a newbie and I have been trying to make a contribution here while sucking up as much information as I can from the people more knowledgeable than my self. However whilst I may not be an internet,website or seo guru I could be considered as an authority in general sales and marketing and I offer that in return for what I can gain here.
    Having said that I have been here a few weeks made some posts and sent some pms BUT at this time I am not fully aware of all the rules so I guess I would be a target for an infraction should someone else be having a bad day.
    There is a lot of learning here by reading the posts and I find it really helpfull when people respond to a post and tell the OP that they are posting incorrectly.
    Little messages like "Hey ***** i think you will find that this type of post is not allowed here" and then state the reason or the rule
    This way every one can learn from it.
    I would imagine (in some cases ) that a genuine newbie ( not a serial spammer or scammer ) would be bewildered by receiving an infraction so early in their time here on Warrior
    I am here to learn and I appreciate that the majority of subscribers here are here to help others and help them selves.
    Whilst Serial Spammers and Scammers are a total pain and shoild be hung drawn and quartered perhaps we should remember we were all New at something at an earlier time.
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    • Profile picture of the author mmurtha
      Originally Posted by grumpyb View Post

      Hi
      I am a newbie and I have been trying to make a contribution here while sucking up as much information as I can from the people more knowledgeable than my self. However whilst I may not be an internet,website or seo guru I could be considered as an authority in general sales and marketing and I offer that in return for what I can gain here.

      Having said that I have been here a few weeks made some posts and sent some pms BUT at this time I am not fully aware of all the rules so I guess I would be a target for an infraction should someone else be having a bad day.
      There is a lot of learning here by reading the posts and I find it really helpfull when people respond to a post and tell the OP that they are posting incorrectly.

      Little messages like "Hey ***** i think you will find that this type of post is not allowed here" and then state the reason or the rule. This way every one can learn from it.
      Hey Grumpy,

      Then you should fit in very nicely here. Sounds like an even trade off.

      I agree with you, there is a lot of learning to do here, but some of the newer people don't seem to read the rules up in the sticky. There aren't that many of them, and they outline what is pretty much acceptable in this community. If they would take their time and read them first, they should fit in here very nicely too.

      Yup, Some of us do point out that their posts aren't acceptable, and then show them how to amend them.

      Anyway, I would say that Warriors can be hard to deal with sometimes too, but they aren't as hard as they once were, so we've grown right along side of the newbies in some ways.


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  • Profile picture of the author rcraig12
    Im a newbie!

    As a was running around trying to learn. I got into my head as I am sure most of you will promote in any training sites you provide.

    Use your signature to sell/promote your products.

    When I found the warrior forum. It was fairly plain to me that signatures are controlled as indicated in the rules. However as we are all from differing cultures we understand/take slighty different meanings/things from english.

    The net result was I had affiliate links in my sig, got attacked, then they where removed for me. Hence the new sig declaring the link as My Site !

    You see as far as I was concerned I was advertising my products. By all accounts to a newbie all of you seem to be advertising your products. If you see what I mean.

    The infactions are a terrible device or should I say should be named to warning or TOS reminder. Which would make a whole lot more sense IMO.

    The default email template should have an opening paragraph with an explaination of why the user has recieved it.

    There are a number of selections the moderator can select that could cause a default paragraph to be ammended to the infaction emails.

    Just some thoughts into the air.

    cheers,

    Robert
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  • Profile picture of the author Corena
    I am a newbie and what I learned from this thread is...
    Some Warriors like Italians, do not take John serious,
    Restraints are easy to get out of using eggplants.
    and What?
    Thanks all, I am so on the road to being a millionaire !
    And thanks Kay for the original post
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    Hi :)

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  • Profile picture of the author I.M.Retired
    eggplant parm
    Oh my dear.... I thought I read 'eggplant sperm' - must get a wee thingy to keep my reading glasses close at hand! (Or hanging just below my face for when I have senior moments like this!)

    Now, what was this post about - oh yes - moderating...

    It's a hard call to make sometimes - you see new members doing things that they shouldn't and you see old members doing things that they shouldn't - it's so much easier to look the other way on both counts. I don't know about you, but I come to the forum to learn and to exchange thoughts, opinions and ideas - not moderate threads. However, when I see a junk post made for the sole purpose of boosting thread counts, or threads posted in the wrong forum despite several requests by Paul for members to PLEASE POST IN THE RIGHT FORUM - whaddadyou do?

    If these kinds of posts are not reported, we all lose. And if they are reported, people learn pretty quickly not to do what they just did, myself included. (In my weaker moments, I often succumb to the mischief elf who sits on my left shoulder - he gets me into all kinds of trouble - especially when he prompts me to post something 'iffy' here on the WF.) I need some elf mace. Is anyone offering a WSO on how to resist elfish urges?
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    Val, This thread is over 2years old???

    ~MM~
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