I have four hours a day, for the next 6 months to make it online.

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Hello All,

I am an English Teacher in Seoul (if anyone is in the area, I'd love to meet up - coffee on me). My contract is ending in 6 months, and at the end of these 6 months.. I need to make it online. I'm ready to jet-set on the wings of an internet business.

My specialty for quite some time has been SEO, and I've managed to make myself a nice penny working just part time. However, my dream is to make more passive means of income online. That said, I believe becoming an internet marketer is right for me. I know it's a lot of hard work, and I am NOT looking to get rich quick or easy. I'm also not looking for things like "Make 100,000 month through fiver". I'm looking for more foundational things, like standard places to get traffic, - I can move on to more creative things once I develop a strong understanding of the basics.
Like I said, I am ready to do work, and I have just modified my work schedule, and I'll be sitting down at a coffee shop, drinking green tea every morning for 4 hours ready to get it started.

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Basically, my question is this:

I have four hours to work every single day to make it as an internet marketer.

The more specific the better, reading material that helped you, or lessons you learned will be incredibly helpful. Thank you warriors!

To start off with, I'd like to be able to promote an ebook or CPA offer of some type - as from what I've read thus far, it looks like that is a good starting point.
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  • Profile picture of the author Victoralexon
    Maybe you could set up a website that teaches English to people in South Korea?
    You could also offer private tutoring.

    Would that be possible?

    Having said that, maybe you wouldn't be able to make a lot of money by doing that. I really don't know. It was just an idea.
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  • Profile picture of the author AnnaSEO
    Having 4 hours A day,You will need to concentrate on your own website/Blog to make an substantial income other than going for services.
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  • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
    Doing market and keyword research to begin with is essential. You might as well make it easier by having a "hungry" market ready to buy than doing more work to try to convert either a smaller market or one that is too saturated.

    Once you have your market/niche/keywords, buy a domain that fits it and put up a squeeze page to build a list.

    Get quality free traffic by article marketing, social marketing, etc. (search my posts because I've posted the steps before)

    The key is to focus on one site at first until you get it somewhat going on autopilot. That took me about 1 month starting totally from scratch and knowing nothing technical to begin with. I made my first sale within a week though. Then I did it all over again in another niche.

    It has been 4 months now and things are running pretty well, so I know, if I can do this, anyone can.
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  • Profile picture of the author detomaso
    Originally Posted by JamesMcCaferty View Post

    However, my dream is to make more passive means of income online.

    I know it's a lot of hard work, and I am NOT looking to get rich quick or easy.

    I'm looking for more foundational things, like standard places to get traffic, - I can move on to more creative things once I develop a strong understanding of the basics.

    I have four hours to work every single day to make it as an internet marketer.

    The more specific the better, reading material that helped you, or lessons you learned will be incredibly helpful.
    I am in the same position as James. I have a full-time job and have approx. 20 other hours per week to get my IM business growing. And like him, I am looking to build longterm success rather than just make a quick buck.

    How should James and I invest our 20-28 hours per week during our initial months? Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author frankm
    You need to get more specific on your goals -

    Exactly how much do you need your monthly income to be after 6 months?

    Frank
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    • Profile picture of the author JamesMcCaferty
      Originally Posted by frankm View Post

      You need to get more specific on your goals -

      Exactly how much do you need your monthly income to be after 6 months?

      Frank
      Hey Frank. My sig says I'm just shooting for 2k/month - that would be my target in the next 6 months.

      How would that change my mission?
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      • Profile picture of the author frankm
        Originally Posted by JamesMcCaferty View Post

        Hey Frank. My sig says I'm just shooting for 2k/month - that would be my target in the next 6 months.

        How would that change my mission?
        Hi James

        Sorry, I didn't see your sig...

        Well that helps because you can now break your goals down into monthly amounts:

        EG

        Feb 2012 - $14.64
        Mar 2012 - $139.78
        Apr 2012 - $394.74
        May 2012 - $821.12
        Jun 2012 - $1,333.42
        July 2012 - $2,000.00

        You can go further and break that down into daily amounts too... increasing incrementally from 1 cent today to $78.83 on July 31st.

        This suddenly makes your goals a lot easier to achieve... you don't have to worry about hitting home runs but can go slowly and increase incrementally.

        Doing it this way I think, yes, you can achieve your goal, even part-time.

        It will take work but with a plan like this suddenly it seems much easier.

        If you want the printout of daily targets send me a PM with your email address and I'll mail it to you

        Frank
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  • Profile picture of the author YasirYar
    Hey,

    Since you are familiar with SEO, you have a considerable advantage in internet marketing as compared to complete newbies. Since you want to get into affiliate marketing, your first step would be to focus down to a niche and build a website in that niche. Offer something relevant to people that is free, and then build a list with peoples email addresses. Once you gain the trust of people, you can market a good product to them.

    Of course, that is just one technique, and I have made it sound much easier than it is. Keep browsing these forums for new ideas and techniques, and don't hesitate to ask any specific questions you may have. I'm certain someone or the other will be able to help you out. Best of luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author WittyT
    If you're good with SEO, then I would definitely go for niche websites. As you know what you're doing, you could have them ranked pretty fast and earning in less than 2 months.
    Adsense combined with CPA offers should be enough to get you on your way to making that 2k/month.

    Niche websites = best passive income ever

    (If you want to know how to start, check out this link: smartpassiveincome.com/nichesiteduel/ , it will tell you all you need to know)
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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      To be honest James you've got the wrong attitude. Your approach is skewed from the outset.

      The way you've worded your request it's obvious you've never worked for yourself before. Framing this request like there's some magic push button solution which you can buy off a supermarket shelf, switch on and instantly start earning money on the back of just 4 hours work per day is just plainly daft.

      If you want to get serious about this business, ditch the 4 hour day philosophy. Add at least another 8-10 hours to your schedule and you might be hitting closer to home as far as your goals are concerned (12-14 hours daily). Thinking you can build up a profitable business by going at it in some some assed attempt from the beginning is just a waste of your own time and resources.

      Your whole mental approach needs adjusting.


      Mark Andrews
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      • Profile picture of the author AnnaSEO
        Originally Posted by Mark Andrews View Post

        To be honest James you've got the wrong attitude. Your approach is skewed from the outset.

        The way you've worded your request it's obvious you've never worked for yourself before. Framing this request like there's some magic push button solution which you can buy off a supermarket shelf, switch on and instantly start earning money on the back of just 4 hours work per day is just plainly daft.

        If you want to get serious about this business, ditch the 4 hour day philosophy. Add at least another 8-10 hours to your schedule and you might be hitting closer to home as far as your goals are concerned (12-14 hours daily). Thinking you can build up a profitable business by going at it in some some assed attempt from the beginning is just a waste of your own time and resources.

        Your whole mental approach needs adjusting.


        Mark Andrews
        I agree,You need to Put in work to earn money.
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      • Profile picture of the author frankm
        Originally Posted by Mark Andrews View Post

        To be honest James you've got the wrong attitude. Your approach is skewed from the outset.

        The way you've worded your request it's obvious you've never worked for yourself before. Framing this request like there's some magic push button solution which you can buy off a supermarket shelf, switch on and instantly start earning money on the back of just 4 hours work per day is just plainly daft.

        If you want to get serious about this business, ditch the 4 hour day philosophy. Add at least another 8-10 hours to your schedule and you might be hitting closer to home as far as your goals are concerned (12-14 hours daily). Thinking you can build up a profitable business by going at it in some some assed attempt from the beginning is just a waste of your own time and resources.

        Your whole mental approach needs adjusting.


        Mark Andrews
        Add another 8-10 hours to his 4 hours + his working day + travelling to work and eating = 1-3 hours sleep. That's not the way to go!

        He might have got the wrong idea about making quick bucks from all the claims on this forum, but the facts are that it is possible... difficult but possible.

        However, I'd suggest that he open his mind to more than just "Internet Marketing". Start hustling, make a few cents profit here and there. Look at local sales listings for computer games etc. Buy low sell high etc..

        There's a great thread here:

        http://www.thefastlaneforum.com/gene...-anything.html

        The guy has made a lot of mistakes but it's inspirational nonetheless.

        Frank
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by Mark Andrews View Post

        Framing this request like there's some magic push button solution which you can buy off a supermarket shelf, switch on and instantly start earning money on the back of just 4 hours work per day is just plainly daft.
        Well, yeah, which is why he's not framed it that way.

        He has a day job. He will have that day job for the next six months.

        At the end of that six months, he needs to have a $2k monthly income.

        Given the rigours of his day job, he has four hours a day to spend on whatever will ultimately generate that income. Not because that's all he feels like doing, but because that's all he has.

        You can definitely make $2k a month selling SEO services. Here's what you need.

        1. You need an SEO service you can offer at $500 a month and provide in less than four hours a week. This is not terribly difficult; plenty of WSOs will teach you how to do such a service, and you may already know of one you can provide tomorrow.

        2. You need the ability to find and retain a new client in less than one month using ONLY the same four hours a week you would spend on providing his SEO services. This is the hard part. This is the part nobody talks about, because it's highly dependent on you and your area and the kind of clients you want. You'll have to figure this part out yourself. The important thing is to make it a process that needs only four hours a week, so getting a client is no harder than having one.

        Now, follow along here. You are going to SAVE all this money as you go, until you leave your current job.

        Month 1, you get a client who pays you $500.

        Month 2, you spend 4 hours a week on services, plus you get another client. You are paid $1,000.

        Month 3, you spend 8 hours a week on services, plus you get a third client. You are paid $1,500.

        Month 4, 12 hours a week and client 4. You are paid $2,000.

        Month 5, 16 hours a week and client 5. You are paid $2,500.

        Month 6, 20 hours a week and you don't have time to find new clients. You still get $2,500.

        You are now sitting on $10,000 which is a good solid five-month buffer just in case something horrible happens.

        If you lose a client, you still get $2,000 a month. You also immediately obtain four hours a week to find a new client, and you can have that new client by the following month. That takes you back to $2,500 a month.

        And now that you're not doing your day job, you can either raise your client load to ten clients and $5,000... or stick with your four-hour work day.

        It's all very simple when you lay out the steps. The hard part is identifying what service you can provide, and what clients you can source, in about 45 minutes a day.
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        • Profile picture of the author frankm
          Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post


          Month 1, you get a client who pays you $500.

          Month 2, you spend 4 hours a week on services, plus you get another client. You are paid $1,000.

          Month 3, you spend 8 hours a week on services, plus you get a third client. You are paid $1,500.

          Month 4, 12 hours a week and client 4. You are paid $2,000.

          Month 5, 16 hours a week and client 5. You are paid $2,500.

          Month 6, 20 hours a week and you don't have time to find new clients. You still get $2,500.
          Yes

          Just to recap on my targets

          Feb 2012 - $14.64
          Mar 2012 - $139.78
          Apr 2012 - $394.74
          May 2012 - $821.12
          Jun 2012 - $1,333.42
          July 2012 - $2,000.00

          So mixing your system and my numbers he could spend the first 9 weeks perfecting his offer and gathering and communicating with a list of prospects.

          Then hook 1 in April, 1 in May, 1 in June, and 2 in July.

          You don't quite as much of a buffer as with your calculations but less pressure (plus we're $500 above the July target).

          Is this do-able James? Are your skills sufficient to get an SEO service like this together in 2 months?

          Might English language schools in different Korean cities pay that?

          Frank
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          • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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            And a magic wand Mark replies drily in Caliban's general direction.

            You can climb Mt Everest, just stick one foot in front of the other and keep heading upwards until you reach the top. Simple. Sorry, I forgot to explain the technique.

            You can make a million in a month working just an hour a day. Simple. Sorry, the steps? What steps? Technique? What technique? Pffffft.

            You can swim the English Channel next week. What? You can't swim, oh don't worry about that, I have just the eBook for you. Tread water and flail.

            You can learn to fly just by outstretching your arms and leaping off a high cliff. Just follow along and I'll show you how with this new cool set of videos. Yours for just $197.

            You want a real business? Commit to it. Commit to yourself. And put the time in. All these so called online 'entrepreneurs' what a load of codswallop. Set up a website, guarantee Google 1, hell guarantee total page 1 domination, all 10 positions - yours within 7 days days... only I haven't got a bleedin' clue how I'm going to do it.

            Pleaseee.

            Yrrr'ack.

            Streuth.
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            • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
              Originally Posted by Mark Andrews View Post

              You want a real business?
              If he doesn't have what it takes to get one, it doesn't exactly MATTER whether he wants one, does it?
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          • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
            Originally Posted by frankm View Post

            So mixing your system and my numbers he could spend the first 9 weeks perfecting his offer and gathering and communicating with a list of prospects.
            The problem with most math-based systems is they talk a lot about consistently increasing income without ever thinking about what generates that income.

            Income goes up in stairsteps. If you're selling a $500 service, you have made $X one day and then $X+500 the next. There is no gradual sweep from one to the other; the $500 happens, BOOM, and then there's jack squat until another $500 shows up.

            Similarly, there's a lot of discussion about "just make one sale a day" in the guru ranks, but no real discussion about where that one sale a day comes from or how it happens.

            In reality, most people make sales in flurries - they'll make a bunch of sales one day, and your target should be to make half as many sales in half as many days. Like if you make 500 sales on January 1, you should be targeting another 250 sales of that product within 250 days, which is right around the middle of September. If you fall short of the mark, then you have a problem to fix and enough time to fix it.

            Or you could do what I did, and say "I sold 500 of that last year, I'll just relaunch it and sell another 500 of it." Except when you relaunch it, you don't actually sell any, and you don't have a contingency plan in place or any kind of buffer against failure.

            Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment.
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            • Profile picture of the author frankm
              Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

              The problem with most math-based systems is they talk a lot about consistently increasing income without ever thinking about what generates that income.

              Income goes up in stairsteps. If you're selling a $500 service, you have made one day and then +500 the next. There is no gradual sweep from one to the other; the $500 happens, BOOM, and then there's jack squat until another $500 shows up.
              Yes but it's equally unreasonable to expect him to make the same number of sales in the 1st month as the 5th month. Development time and lead collection has to be factored in, as well as the momentum from working with existing customers, and so what I'm saying is that if he still makes 1 sale by the 3rd month he's ahead of schedule and doesn't need to panic... That's all
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              • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
                Originally Posted by frankm View Post

                Yes but it's equally unreasonable to expect him to make the same number of sales in the 1st month as the 5th month.
                Did you even read what I recommended, or are you too fixated on your own idea? He's not MAKING sales. He's obtaining five clients who pay him every month for an ongoing service.
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                • Profile picture of the author frankm
                  Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

                  Did you even read what I recommended, or are you too fixated on your own idea? He's not MAKING sales. He's obtaining five clients who pay him every month for an ongoing service.
                  Yes I read every word you said and even thanked you for it... apologies for incorrectly writing 'making sales' instead of 'obtaining clients' but my point remains - if he only obtains his first client in month 3 the momentum of that should see him through to hit his target.

                  Do you actually disagree with me or are you arguing for the sake of it?
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                  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
                    Originally Posted by frankm View Post

                    Do you actually disagree with me or are you arguing for the sake of it?
                    I simply don't see any justification for the idea that the same number of clients in the first and last months is unreasonable, considering that the number in question is one.

                    During the early months, when he has fewer clients, he can invest more time in getting a single client. In later months, he should be better at it, and able to get a client in less time.

                    This is important because as he gains clients, he has less time available for finding clients; if he cannot obtain the client in the same amount of time he would spend servicing the client, he doesn't have a sustainable business model... because any client who cancels creates an additional drain on his time, and potentially impacts his ability to service the remaining clients.

                    It's a question of workload. Expecting your workload to be zero for two months and then rapidly accumulate into your maximum capacity does, in fact, develop momentum - but we don't WANT momentum. We want to fill the sales and work pipeline in a controlled and measured fashion, so it can be shut off when there's "no more room at the inn" so to speak.
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                    • Profile picture of the author frankm
                      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post


                      It's a question of workload. Expecting your workload to be zero for two months and then rapidly accumulate into your maximum capacity does, in fact, develop momentum - but we don't WANT momentum. We want to fill the sales and work pipeline in a controlled and measured fashion, so it can be shut off when there's "no more room at the inn" so to speak.
                      Not zero workload, but two months of building his skills, and learning how to find clients, and he may even pick up one along the way. Or he may pick up some lead gen skills which could turn into a product or service.

                      Sure, he's thinking of getting a client from the beginning, but the plan is not threatened by not getting one in the first two months.

                      And rather than looking for a 'zero room at the inn' situation maybe he'll want to be able to expand the size of the inn through outsourcing etc. This is also easier if he's put more time into planning the journey versus rushing to immediately get clients.

                      Personally I DO want momentum... and a plan like this gives it to me because even a few dollars profit in the first month is a massive success. In the 'get rich quick' and 'overnight success' environment it's very easy to feel like a failure so anything that makes you feel like a success is highly welcome

                      If he's going for a product model then the gradually increasing plan is even more relevant as the awareness that only a few dollars profit in the first month is required makes it very easy to create a simple product to sell for only a few dollars to start the ball rolling.

                      Thanks

                      Frank
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              • Profile picture of the author JamesMcCaferty
                Originally Posted by Big Al View Post

                I've started to 'chunk' my time.

                As an affiliate you could devote 1 hour to writing content, 1 hour to SEO and backlinking, 1 hour to getting involved in the wider community and 1 hour for brainstorming better ways to move forward.

                That's just an example and you have to do what fits best with your business model. It's something I'm trying to do more of because it's very easy to get caught up with 4 hours of article writing then do nothing to get traffic, market your site and make sales.

                Maybe you could start with 2 hours on driving traffic and 2 hours on conversions everyday... that's the crux of it.
                Thank you!

                Originally Posted by YasirYar View Post

                Hey,

                Since you are familiar with SEO, you have a considerable advantage in internet marketing as compared to complete newbies. Since you want to get into affiliate marketing, your first step would be to focus down to a niche and build a website in that niche. Offer something relevant to people that is free, and then build a list with peoples email addresses. Once you gain the trust of people, you can market a good product to them.

                Of course, that is just one technique, and I have made it sound much easier than it is. Keep browsing these forums for new ideas and techniques, and don't hesitate to ask any specific questions you may have. I'm certain someone or the other will be able to help you out. Best of luck!
                I like what you said - and I'm absolutely looking to provide great value to people.

                Originally Posted by WittyT View Post

                If you're good with SEO, then I would definitely go for niche websites. As you know what you're doing, you could have them ranked pretty fast and earning in less than 2 months.
                Adsense combined with CPA offers should be enough to get you on your way to making that 2k/month.

                Niche websites = best passive income ever

                (If you want to know how to start, check out this link: smartpassiveincome.com/nichesiteduel/ , it will tell you all you need to know)
                I checked out the post, massive! I'm really interested in what he has done. As I can surely produce useful niche websites, and help others, and in combination of adsense and/or CPA offers is exactly the thing I'm trying to work towards. I'm looking to use my own seo skills as a way to promote my own niche sites (It will feel good promoting my OWN websites, I'm sure)
                Thank you for the great reading material. Cheers!

                Originally Posted by wymetto View Post

                James, I would attack affiliate marketing hard since you do have SEO experience. You obviously love teaching English to locals so I would set my 1 year goal helping the locals through your website to establish online marketing (IM) skills to build an income of their own. What an opportunity...
                I really like that idea. It's something I'm going to brainstorm. Thank you so much for your response!

                Originally Posted by cashcow View Post

                I think you need to come up with a business plan and focus on executing the plan without being distracted by the next shiny object that comes into your path.

                There will be lots of shiny objects, lots of self doubt. But you need to stay focused on your plan. You need to have the faith that your plan will work.

                Do you have a plan? I see you say:



                It seem like you are thinking with the "I want to make money..." mindset and I think you really need to switch to the "I want to help people..." mindset.

                What you should be thinking about is solving a problem for a specific set of people one you figure out the problem you want to solve, you can then come up with the plan on how to get your product (or affiliate product) into the hands of the people with this problem.

                Focus on helping the people, not on the money.

                Lee
                I agree with you 3000%. I'm sorry I didn't make it clear. I mean we're in an internet marketing forum, not a Red Cross forum aren't we? Yes of course I want to provide real true value - I liken it to thinking "If my own mother came across this site, would she be helped - or scammed?" People with autoblog, scrapped & spun content, offering nothing to the user but gibberish just so they can make a quick buck is NOT what I'm about. I hope more people read what you wrote, as there are a lot of useless sites out there. Truth be told, I hated doing SEO work on low-quality sites. Which is part of the reason why I'm trying to deviate from being an SEO freelancer.

                Originally Posted by Melvolio View Post

                There are some right negative Nancies on this thread!

                For someone who already. makes money with SEO, 4 hours a day is enough to make 2k a month. 4 hours of solid work on a business plan based on a pre-existing model that is known to succeed.

                In my opinion, starting cold with a 6 month deadline, selling your SEO expertise is probably the 'easiest' way of getting there and more than doable in 4 hours a day. Although I would also assert that, assuming pre existing knowledge, the amount of niche sites that could be built that time, monetizing with Amazon or Adsense, or both, and consequent email marketing could get you to $80 a day in half a year.
                Cheers mate! I absolutely plan to use my SEO skills and experience to launch me forward. Heck I am even brainstorming creating a "Everything I Learned From Being an SEO Freelancer" ebook. Thanks for getting the cogs turnings.

                Very great ideas in this thread, I'm going to sit down and really think about them. Again, thank you ALL! I really appreciate it!
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  • Profile picture of the author Big Al
    I've started to 'chunk' my time.

    As an affiliate you could devote 1 hour to writing content, 1 hour to SEO and backlinking, 1 hour to getting involved in the wider community and 1 hour for brainstorming better ways to move forward.

    That's just an example and you have to do what fits best with your business model. It's something I'm trying to do more of because it's very easy to get caught up with 4 hours of article writing then do nothing to get traffic, market your site and make sales.

    Maybe you could start with 2 hours on driving traffic and 2 hours on conversions everyday... that's the crux of it.
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    • Profile picture of the author frankm
      Originally Posted by Big Al View Post

      I've started to 'chunk' my time.

      As an affiliate you could devote 1 hour to writing content, 1 hour to SEO and backlinking, 1 hour to getting involved in the wider community and 1 hour for brainstorming better ways to move forward.

      That's just an example and you have to do what fits best with your business model. It's something I'm trying to do more of because it's very easy to get caught up with 4 hours of article writing then do nothing to get traffic, market your site and make sales.

      Maybe you could start with 2 hours on driving traffic and 2 hours on conversions everyday... that's the crux of it.
      Are you confident he can achieve his stated goal doing this?
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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        Yes it's possible Frank, so is me climbing Mt Everest in the next 12 months. Possible but not very likely. One has to keep your feet firmly on the ground and your head not quite so high up in the clouds.

        It's a typical newbie mistake, all gung ho thinking they know all the answers from the beginning, full of false hope and positivism. And then reality hits them like a brick in the face.

        Here we are bang in the middle of the worst recession since the Great Depression and here we have another greenhorn thinking they can go into profit almost overnight, instantly. Never mind the fact that even in the boom years, 80% of new start ups failed in their first 2 years of operation.

        The chance that he's going to do it on the back of just 4 hours per day is just ridiculous. It tells me that the person behind this thinking hasn't got a clue what they're talking about. They're in love with the idea of being in business for themselves but not the practical application.

        One might as well have fluff between your ears thinking one can do it today in this economic climate on the back of just 4 hours daily.

        No sooner will he warm up than he'll be grinding to a halt each day to go concentrate on wait for it, other more 'important' things in his life. Yeah, righttttt. Got ya. Blimey. Gordon Bennett.

        There's absolutely no point telling the OP he can do this with this kind of attitude. It's not going to happen.

        When you go self employed you burn your bridges behind you. It's all or nothing. Relying on other income sources to support you is a fundamentally flawed business approach. It says instantly, I have no faith in myself to deliver upon the promise I've made to myself.

        And if this is the philosophy applied to oneself, this level of disrespect to oneself, what does this say about the projected attitude you're going to have towards your clients?

        I've been around the block a few times, running my own business for over 30 years. I know the score. 4 hours per day is laughable.

        Even after 30 years I'm still working 10-12 hours per day 7 days per week. And yes, I love it. I love what I do, it's my driving passion in life. But having some half soaked attitude right from the outset isn't going to get this guy anywhere.

        He might just as well forget the whole idea if he's going to start thinking at the outset, "I can do this on the back of just 4 hours work per day." A ridiculous notion. All these push button solutions, what a load of poppycock. And believe you me...

        ...I've seen more than my fair share of them in this business. As copywriters, we probably see more than most. A lot of it just pie in the sky claptrap.

        Anyone wanting to get into business today trying to get away with it by doing the bare minimum seriously needs their head examining. A quick reality check before they go wasting their money, time and resources, pouring everything they've got so far, down the drain.

        Welcome to the real world.

        Sometimes you have to be 'cruel' to be kind.

        Truth hurts.


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        • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
          Originally Posted by Mark Andrews View Post

          Yes it's possible Frank, so is me climbing Mt Everest in the next 12 months. Possible but not very likely. One has to keep your feet firmly on the ground and your head not quite so high up in the clouds.

          It's a typical newbie mistake, all gung ho thinking they know all the answers from the beginning, full of false hope and positivism. And then reality hits them like a brick in the face.
          If you read most of the wso's on offer you can do it in days if not weeks, any way fro memory I read one of the more knowledgeable guys here (name lost due to old timers) suggest seo is one of the hottest properties going with all of this latest google cofuffle and the like.

          So spending that 6 months creating a good name here and developing a seo service would or could allow for an income to happen while in the spare moments one could work out their true passion which will take a little longer one would think to refine.

          just 2 cents
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          • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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            Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

            If you read most of the wso's on offer you can do it in days if not weeks, any way fro memory I read one of the more knowledgeable guys here (name lost due to old timers) suggest seo is one of the hottest properties going with all of this latest google cofuffle and the like.

            So spending that 6 months creating a good name here and developing a seo service would or could allow for an income to happen while in the spare moments one could work out their true passion which will take a little longer one would think to refine.

            just 2 cents
            33% steam does not get a train uphill.


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          • Profile picture of the author frankm
            Originally Posted by Mark Andrews View Post


            Welcome to the real world.

            Sometimes you have to be 'cruel' to be kind.

            Truth hurts.
            Yes, absolutely, it's a lot less cruel than what's being promised in the WSO forum.

            But regardless, if he genuinely has ambitions, his back is against the wall, and he has to do it, it could be done.

            For anyone to advise him that it's easy to do it online is misleading though.

            Hence my advice of going offline and hustling... but faced with the prospect of that he may even decide to get another job ;-)

            Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

            If you read most of the wso's on offer you can do it in days if not weeks, any way fro memory I read one of the more knowledgeable guys here (name lost due to old timers) suggest seo is one of the hottest properties going with all of this latest google cofuffle and the like.

            So spending that 6 months creating a good name here and developing a seo service would or could allow for an income to happen while in the spare moments one could work out their true passion which will take a little longer one would think to refine.

            just 2 cents
            Yes SEO is one of the hottest properties going, but the likelihood of him becoming an expert in 6 months is very unlikely.

            It is precisely because of all these "instant seo experts" that the "Google Cofuffle" (kerfuffle??) is happening. Too many trying to game the system and the system will fight back.

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            • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
              Originally Posted by Mark Andrews View Post

              33% steam does not get a train uphill.
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              Sure, the hours thing is something most people work out.

              Originally Posted by frankm View Post

              Yes SEO is one of the hottest properties going, but the likelihood of him becoming an expert in 6 months is very unlikely.

              It is precisely because of all these "instant seo experts" that the "Google Cofuffle" (kerfuffle??) is happening. Too many trying to game the system and the system will fight back.

              Frank
              He mentioned it was a specialty ? just had a rough guess it was the best place to start / not implying he does anything other than the real thing, in any direction he or anyone takes.
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              • Profile picture of the author frankm
                Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post


                He mentioned it was a specialty ? just had a rough guess it was the best place to start / not implying he does anything other than the real thing, in any direction he or anyone takes.
                My apologies... I've just seen the bit where he says he's made a nice penny working on it part-time.
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  • Profile picture of the author wymetto
    James, I would attack affiliate marketing hard since you do have SEO experience. You obviously love teaching English to locals so I would set my 1 year goal helping the locals through your website to establish online marketing (IM) skills to build an income of their own. What an opportunity...
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  • Profile picture of the author Yudhistira Mauris
    If you want to get passive income as I'm also trying to make this happen, I suggest you to build adsense website niche empire. Moreover you have specialty on SEO. After your site has decent stable income, you can flip it to get more income and build another adsense website niche.
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  • Profile picture of the author Martin Avis
    What is it with all these people saying that 4 hours a day isn't enough time? Are they serious?

    Four hours a day is plenty. Take it from one who makes a damned good living online and who wouldn't dream of working that long! I doubt my attention span would be up to it anyway!

    Here are a few ways of making money that will easily fit into your available time:

    1. Write articles to sell as PLR. Four hours a day should easily allow you to write 4 good quality articles. That's a lot.

    As is being discussed exhaustively on another thread, you should easily be able to get $5 per article, bringing you in $600 per month. But why sell yourself short like that? The big mistake article writers make - especially the $5 ones - is in selling one article to one buyer.

    Think PLR. 120 articles a month is 12 packs. Sell them for $7.50 per pack to just 25 buyers per month and you are already up to $2250. Start a membership site and spend time building the subscribers up to 1-200 and you could even give up the day job.

    2. Write Kindle ebooks. 4 hours a day would give you more than enough time to research and write several each month. There are two or three excellent, and low cost, WSOs available now that can point you in the right direction there.

    3. If pure writing isn't your thing, affiliate marketing is very much a contender. I do several things online, but affiliate marketing is always at the heart of them. $2000 a week is quite easy when you get the hang of it, and I've plenty of days where I've exceed that.

    4. List building is probably your best long term option. Once you have a list that likes what you have to say, recommending things for them to buy is a natural progression. That can be affiliate products or your own ones. Either way, once you have built your list (which I admit can take a little time and effort) writing your newsletters shouldn't take more than two hours per week!


    All this talk of having to put in long hours is a smokescreen. Yes, some people feel that they have to be strapped to their computer for hours on end because, I guess, they are still stuck in the working for a living mentality. The reality for those of us who have learned how to break out of that trap is that working online is the ultimate in 'garbage in, garbage out'. If you work effectively an hour of your time is worth ten of a guy who potters around doing very little.

    A friend of mine was, until he retired from the business, one of the highest earning Internet marketers in the UK. He only ever worked on his Internet marketing business on Thursdays.

    I write a very profitable newsletter that makes me a bigger income than any day job I ever had in my life (and I worked for 25 years in the highly paid advertising industry) and I 'work' - at most - 4 hours a week.

    It isn't about putting in the hours for the sake of it, and it certainly isn't about taking action. That's one of the biggest and most damaging myths around. It is about using the hours you have, learning to concentrate and taking effective action that is proven (if only to you) to produce results.

    The only thing wrong, in my opinion, with the OPs quesiton is the implication that $2000 is a satisfactory sum to aim for. It is not. It is a limiting objective.

    At 4 hours a day, $2000 barely represents $16 per hour.

    A good Internet marketer is worth a heck of a lot more than that.

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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    I think you need to come up with a business plan and focus on executing the plan without being distracted by the next shiny object that comes into your path.

    There will be lots of shiny objects, lots of self doubt. But you need to stay focused on your plan. You need to have the faith that your plan will work.

    Do you have a plan? I see you say:

    To start off with, I'd like to be able to promote an ebook or CPA offer of some type - as from what I've read thus far, it looks like that is a good starting point.
    It seem like you are thinking with the "I want to make money..." mindset and I think you really need to switch to the "I want to help people..." mindset.

    What you should be thinking about is solving a problem for a specific set of people one you figure out the problem you want to solve, you can then come up with the plan on how to get your product (or affiliate product) into the hands of the people with this problem.

    Focus on helping the people, not on the money.

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  • Profile picture of the author Melvolio
    There are some right negative Nancies on this thread!

    For someone who already. makes money with SEO, 4 hours a day is enough to make 2k a month. 4 hours of solid work on a business plan based on a pre-existing model that is known to succeed.

    In my opinion, starting cold with a 6 month deadline, selling your SEO expertise is probably the 'easiest' way of getting there and more than doable in 4 hours a day. Although I would also assert that, assuming pre existing knowledge, the amount of niche sites that could be built that time, monetizing with Amazon or Adsense, or both, and consequent email marketing could get you to $80 a day in half a year.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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      Originally Posted by Melvolio View Post

      There are some right negative Nancies on this thread!
      It's got nothing to do with being negative. I'm known generally speaking for being one of the more positive practical individuals on this forum.

      Just all this talk constantly telling others they're in for a dead easy ride, piling up false hope, it's not on.

      Some of you need to get yourselves more rooted to reality, not some fanciful pipe dream or selling wares which simply ply on the hopes, dreams and desires of others in a time of desperation.

      It's easy to pluck figures from thin air, any idiot can do it but it's the very real practical application which needs to deliver some clout, not some meaningless words on a keyboard banged in at 60wpm.

      In other words, rather than just tickling his ears, tell him how it really is, give it to him, stop dancing around the edge. Show him, demonstrate it, give him real proof...

      Step 1 (timescale), do this, do that. Do this step, that step. Another step. Like this. Watch me... follow in my proven footsteps.

      Step 2 (timescale) ...

      Step 3 (timescale) ... etc.

      Where's the meat? The substance?

      Fluff is a plenty. BS. Meaningless words on 'paper'. But without the precise know-how the info isn't in this case even worth the paper it's not been written on.

      If you believe it can be done on the back of just 4 hours a day to help him achieve his goal, show him and everyone else here exactly how to go about it. And then everyone benefits from the information.

      Until then it's all meaningless.


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      • Profile picture of the author Paperchasing
        Originally Posted by Mark Andrews View Post

        It's got nothing to do with being negative. I'm known generally speaking for being one of the more positive practical individuals on this forum.

        Just all this talk constantly telling others they're in for a dead easy ride, piling up false hope, it's not on.

        Some of you need to get yourselves more rooted to reality, not some fanciful pipe dream or selling wares which simply ply on the hopes, dreams and desires of others in a time of desperation.

        It's easy to pluck figures from thin air, any idiot can do it but it's the very real practical application which needs to deliver some clout, not some meaningless words on a keyboard banged in at 60wpm.

        In other words, rather than just tickling his ears, tell him how it really is, give it to him, stop dancing around the edge. Show him, demonstrate it, give him real proof...

        Step 1 (timescale), do this, do that. Do this step, that step. Another step. Like this. Watch me... follow in my proven footsteps.

        Step 2 (timescale) ...

        Step 3 (timescale) ... etc.

        Where's the meat? The substance?

        Fluff is a plenty. BS. Meaningless words on 'paper'. But without the precise know-how the info isn't in this case even worth the paper it's not been written on.

        If you believe it can be done on the back of just 4 hours a day to help him achieve his goal, show him and everyone else here exactly how to go about it. And then everyone benefits from the information.

        Until then it's all meaningless.


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        You are seriously arguing against a position that doesn't exist in this thread.
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        • Profile picture of the author JamesMcCaferty
          Originally Posted by Paperchasing View Post

          You are seriously arguing against a position that doesn't exist in this thread.
          =) Thanks for noticing what I wrote =)
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  • Profile picture of the author WriterWahm
    Originally Posted by JamesMcCaferty View Post

    The more specific the better, reading material that helped you, or lessons you learned will be incredibly helpful. Thank you warriors!
    4 hours a day is certainly more than I have but it works fine for me. If you are focused, it will work for you too. You asked for a specific material that helped me and this WSO by Jenn Dize was a turning point for me in time management as an internet marketer: http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...-people.html#1

    (I'm an affiliate but this is not an aff link).

    You really should get it; you will feel blessed with the amount of time you have.
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by WriterWahm View Post

      this WSO by Jenn Dize was a turning point for me in time management as an internet marketer: http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...-people.html#1
      Jenn's advice and guidance got me started in IM, too. She's awesome.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesMcCaferty
    Hello Everyone!

    First, I have to say THANK YOU to everyone who came by and contributed something to the thread, all of it has been awesome food-for-thought.

    @MarkAndrews -> Thanks for your cautious words. I tried to make it clear that I WAS NOT looking for a magic bullet, not by any means. In fact, many of the products that are selling these "Read How I Made 5,000,000 in 4 Minutes Every Other Day" titles should feel like scam artists. I am well aware it takes work to make money online.

    As I mentioned, SEO is my strong point, and I've been an SEO freelancers for just pushing on 2 years. However, as mentioned above, I think that SEO is a dying art, with more of a push towards a socially-integrated system. Which is exactly why I aim to leave SEO and move to affiliate marketing.

    I KNOW IT IS HARD WORK. That said, I was able to sell subscription packages of SEO work for 800/month, but being that google is actively trying to nerf SEO work, (anyone who doesn't agree may or may not be delusional) - and I worked my ass off. I teach English part time, because...well..I love it!

    Mark, I'm spot on with you when you say that it's hard-ass work, and that there are too many people pushing snake-oil products. I'm not an idiot. I wasn't looking for a get rich in minutes a day, I was looking for ideas, reading material, and specifically WAS NOT looking for "How I make 5,000/day on Fiver".

    If you check out my post history, I'm not a doofus. I don't say things like "Help Me, I'm Lost at Sea" I ask things like "What would be better for promoting an ebook, a squeeze page or sales page?" I'm about substantial methodology.

    That said, it clearly seems like you're upset about the amount of people that think becoming an IM is an easy joke. Fortunately, you don't need to be upset with me =)
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  • Profile picture of the author jaiganeshv
    Before even starting you cannot jot down or plan for $$$ figures. You have to plan your work and DO it atleast for one month and see what it makes you end of 30th day, then increase it next month and so on. Act smart in the process..

    Just putting numbers might sound good in theory not practical. .

    Just start working on without any $$ figures in mind...
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  • Profile picture of the author magiclouie
    Sometimes, serious problems exist when one jumps into conclusion right away.

    To the OP, since you have a limited time, perhaps you should consider outsourcing after making a solid plan and setting your goals.

    I believe it's all about smart work.

    More power to you!

    Cheers,
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    • Profile picture of the author JamesMcCaferty
      Originally Posted by magiclouie View Post

      Sometimes, serious problems exist when one jumps into conclusion right away.

      To the OP, since you have a limited time, perhaps you should consider outsourcing after making a solid plan and setting your goals.

      I believe it's all about smart work.

      More power to you!

      Cheers,
      Louie Tugas

      Outsourcing has been part of my equation for some time since I started with SEO freelancing. They've helped me with customer service, new customer acquisition, and when I've helped clients with article writing, I had them make the first drafts. I absolutely think outsourcing makes any idea even more powerful. Heck, sometimes THEY made ME more accountable.

      Yup Yup, I'm going to spend the next week sitting down working on a plan.
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  • Profile picture of the author AlenGeorgeson
    I think you should create products. If you have 4 hours a day, and really focus on creating your own product, you'll have your very own product done in 2-4 weeks. Once you have a product that delivers value, you can put it online and once you do that, you just created a passive income source that will pay you for years to come. If you want a raise, just create another product.

    Yes you will have to work hard for 2-4 weeks (until you have your own product) but then you'll create your own "money tree" that will make money even when you sleep or watch TV.

    Hope that helps!

    Alen

    Product creation is probably the best way to set up passive income.
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    • Profile picture of the author onlineVisions
      my advice would be to stay employed, seek a mentor who will guide you in your IM journey. Don't quit your job until you replace your income by online...
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by precious007 View Post

    I'd insist staying employed wherever you are until you start making a decent income online
    This is not always an option for English teachers around the Pacific rim. When your contract is up, it's frequently just plain up, and you don't get to keep teaching.
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  • Profile picture of the author advertisethis
    Originally Posted by JamesMcCaferty View Post

    My specialty for quite some time has been SEO, and I've managed to make myself a nice penny working just part time. However, my dream is to make more passive means of income online.
    Aside from list-building in niches that will always be looking for "more, more, more," your most likely path for a more passive income would be to focus on gradually EXPANDING your client-base and OUTSOURCING the nuts and bolts of what you already know and how you already implement it successfully.

    You know how to do SEO successfully with certain investments of your KNOWLEDGE, TIME, and investment capital. If you know you can complete certain projects from start to finish and average X amount per hour charging X amount, you should be able to find (and/or train) the right people to get involved in various steps along the way for less outlay than the revenue average. They would be making a wage they feel is acceptable, and you would still be coming out ahead financially while additionally gaining TIME in the process. Initially, you outsource some of the less complicated labor tasks and then eventually more complex labor tasks. Eventually, you could conceivably outsource client-acquisition tasks and lower management tasks for a semi-passive income from your SEO business.
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  • Profile picture of the author gojiberryman
    Hey James, I have a few tips for you to get started with as a newbie. What you should do first is create or purchase your desired amount of unique articles after using the "Google Keyword Tool" and collecting your keywords. After that, you are going to want to go to "www.offervault.com" to collect your desired number of CPA offers links.

    Then after including your affiliate links into your articles you want to submit your quality articles to the top article directories and high traffic blogs using "www.articlemarketingautomation.com" and "www.articlesubmitauto.com". And last but not least, faithfully post on multiple forums that cater to your desired niche daily. All you gotta do after all this, is wait for the dollars to start rollin in! I look forward to your success
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    • Profile picture of the author Christines Dream
      @CDarklock Thanks. (my thanks button not working yet - not enough posts?) Your method sounds solid.

      @OP I know I'm new to the forum but I'm not completely new to IM. I think you should work with your current skills (SEO) and any others you have not mentioned. Definitely go the recurring income route. To start.
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    • Profile picture of the author JamesMcCaferty
      Originally Posted by AlenGeorgeson View Post

      I think you should create products. If you have 4 hours a day, and really focus on creating your own product, you'll have your very own product done in 2-4 weeks. Once you have a product that delivers value, you can put it online and once you do that, you just created a passive income source that will pay you for years to come. If you want a raise, just create another product.

      Yes you will have to work hard for 2-4 weeks (until you have your own product) but then you'll create your own "money tree" that will make money even when you sleep or watch TV.

      Hope that helps!

      Alen

      Product creation is probably the best way to set up passive income.
      Awesome - thank you for the suggestion! It's currently on my mind-map!

      Originally Posted by onlineVisions View Post

      my advice would be to stay employed, seek a mentor who will guide you in your IM journey. Don't quit your job until you replace your income by online...
      Planning on it! =)

      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      This is not always an option for English teachers around the Pacific rim. When your contract is up, it's frequently just plain up, and you don't get to keep teaching.
      Hey - Thanks for the support! I appreciate it greatly. I've got a MS in Science Education, BA in Education, B.S. in Biology, and a teaching license. I will be able to teach abroad for as long as I see fit. I love teaching, but there is something about being able to make all my money online that I simply cannot pass up in this lifetime!

      Originally Posted by advertisethis View Post

      Aside from list-building in niches that will always be looking for "more, more, more," your most likely path for a more passive income would be to focus on gradually EXPANDING your client-base and OUTSOURCING the nuts and bolts of what you already know and how you already implement it successfully.

      You know how to do SEO successfully with certain investments of your KNOWLEDGE, TIME, and investment capital. If you know you can complete certain projects from start to finish and average X amount per hour charging X amount, you should be able to find (and/or train) the right people to get involved in various steps along the way for less outlay than the revenue average. They would be making a wage they feel is acceptable, and you would still be coming out ahead financially while additionally gaining TIME in the process. Initially, you outsource some of the less complicated labor tasks and then eventually more complex labor tasks. Eventually, you could conceivably outsource client-acquisition tasks and lower management tasks for a semi-passive income from your SEO business.
      Thanks very much! I've thought about outsourcing a majority of the SEO work...Normally, I use a "Results-or-you-get-your-money-back" when I do SEO work, I'm wondering how I could continue that with outsourcers. Thanks mate!

      Originally Posted by gojiberryman View Post

      Hey James, I have a few tips for you to get started with as a newbie. What you should do first is create or purchase your desired amount of unique articles after using the "Google Keyword Tool" and collecting your keywords. After that, you are going to want to go to "www.offervault.com" to collect your desired number of CPA offers links.

      Then after including your affiliate links into your articles you want to submit your quality articles to the top article directories and high traffic blogs using "www.articlemarketingautomation.com" and "www.articlesubmitauto.com". And last but not least, faithfully post on multiple forums that cater to your desired niche daily. All you gotta do after all this, is wait for the dollars to start rollin in! I look forward to your success
      Thanks very much! =) =) Stay tuned!
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      • Profile picture of the author JamesMcCaferty
        Originally Posted by cashcow View Post

        From looking at your responses here, I think you are going to do just fine and be very successful. You're obviously pretty smart and it sounds like you know all the right things to do.

        I agree with you on the whole SEO thing btw and I also think you are smart to be moving away from doing SEO for clients. Creating your own passive (well at least as passive as you can get) streams of income is the best route and since you have your job still for a while you are in a perfect position because you can spend the time building your own business instead of someone else's.

        I just caution you to not fall prey to the same things that I have and that is to jump around from one thing to another because it seems like the thing you are working on isn't making money fast enough.

        Have you checked out the 30 day challenge? That's something that really helped me a lot.

        Also, since you are an english teacher I'll assume that maybe you would get into writing books? One thing that has been doing really well for me is publishing books on the kindle. There's a couple of tricks to it though - there's a WSO by Geoff Shaw that shows you what to do (and also one by Jonny Andrews but its no longer for sale

        Hope that helps!

        Lee
        Lee, I appreciate you taking the time to give me a second chance =)
        Cheers for being on the same wavelength, btw!
        I'll take a look at the resource you mentioned.

        Originally Posted by frankm View Post

        Yes I read every word you said and even thanked you for it... apologies for incorrectly writing 'making sales' instead of 'obtaining clients' but my point remains - if he only obtains his first client in month 3 the momentum of that should see him through to hit his target.

        Do you actually disagree with me or are you arguing for the sake of it?
        I really appreciate both of your guys responses on my behalf =) Very nice insight. Truth be told, I'm itching to move away from a clients-based (service-based) model to a product-based model. Set it AND forget it!..right?

        Originally Posted by CharismaticMannequin View Post

        James,

        you've already taken some steps in the right direction.

        1.) you've got on here, and asked for help/advice.

        2.) You realise that it's not going to take a day or two to be a millionaire. Success takes time. If it didn't, we'd already all be millionaires.

        3.) you already have experience online with SEO.


        Overall, you've got a very good starting point. I know this isn't the most helpful of posts, and I can't really recommend any books or material as I specialise in writing, but I just really liked the fact that you're realistic.

        Hope you do well, and good luck in this goal/pursuit!


        Ben.
        Ben - I appreciate the positive energy you're sending my way. Back at you!

        Originally Posted by ryanmilligan View Post

        Why do you only have 4 hours? If it's cause you enjoy a good nights sleep then think again. You really have to ask yourself how much you want this?

        I've not slept in 36 hours but what makes it even worse is everything I have been working on I just realised isn't going to work. So I've deletd it and I'm back to square one. IM's concept is simple but the amount of work you have ot put into this is incredible!
        I appreciate you taking the time to respond. I definitely have a "do-or-die" mentality - always asking myself "How bad do I want it?" Making choices like not to go out drinking with my coworkers and not sleeping in is part of my choice. I'll see where 4/hours a day gets me after 40 days. 'Til then, I'm following my 'Life is about balance' mantra.

        Originally Posted by Randall Magwood View Post

        You should sell a nice sized product. Maybe you can get sales and break even in the process - thereby giving you a free customer. You can then backend sell these new customers with another one of your nice sized product ($50 - $100). Make sure you have an email newsletter to back this up with. Once this is done, just continue to get new customers and follow up on them on a regular basis.
        Cheers Randall. I've been brainstorming a product. I've been working on an email newsletter, and I'm going to be taking steps to build up a list in the very near future.....You'll probably see me asking for list-building tips in the days to come.

        Originally Posted by shreeve21 View Post

        My suggestion would be to spend those four hours a day doing only 2 things.

        Developing the product (whatever that might be) and Finding JV/Affiliates to promote that product.

        Don't be afraid to offer massive commissions like more than 70% commissions to your affiliates. The email list you could build with that would be awesome,

        Then you can turn around and start selling solo ads on your email list, or doing ad swaps to grow your list or promote other products.
        I've been in contact with a few bloggers about JV partnerships for affiliate products, to very mild success. Hoping to scale this up with my own products in the future. But for now, one thing at a time.
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by JamesMcCaferty View Post

        I will be able to teach abroad for as long as I see fit. I love teaching, but there is something about being able to make all my money online that I simply cannot pass up in this lifetime!
        I've got a good friend who used to work teaching English in Japan, and there are a limited number of licences available for this - so when her contract was up, she not only couldn't teach English anymore, she had to demonstrate a self-sufficient income or leave the country. So she had to move back to the US.

        I understand some other Pacific rim countries are like this, too, but I'm not familiar with the specifics of Korea. So basically, I hypothesised that your desire to make $2,000 a month in six months might be from a similar situation - where if you don't get a $2,000 monthly income, you need to leave Seoul, but you don't want to.

        It's notable that American expats in Asian countries frequently fall in love with the culture and simply don't want to leave. On the other hand, it's pretty rare that a Japanese or Korean person comes to America and says "this place is awesome, I never want to go back home."
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    From looking at your responses here, I think you are going to do just fine and be very successful. You're obviously pretty smart and it sounds like you know all the right things to do.

    I agree with you on the whole SEO thing btw and I also think you are smart to be moving away from doing SEO for clients. Creating your own passive (well at least as passive as you can get) streams of income is the best route and since you have your job still for a while you are in a perfect position because you can spend the time building your own business instead of someone else's.

    I just caution you to not fall prey to the same things that I have and that is to jump around from one thing to another because it seems like the thing you are working on isn't making money fast enough.

    Have you checked out the 30 day challenge? That's something that really helped me a lot.

    Also, since you are an english teacher I'll assume that maybe you would get into writing books? One thing that has been doing really well for me is publishing books on the kindle. There's a couple of tricks to it though - there's a WSO by Geoff Shaw that shows you what to do (and also one by Jonny Andrews but its no longer for sale

    Hope that helps!

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    • Profile picture of the author fin
      I'm in the same position as you. I assume you have more time on weekends?

      Anyway, I've decided to start a blog related to something I'm interested in. I'm going to build it up over 10 months before I leave work.

      I try to post 3 times per week and spend the rest of the time marketing the site. Obviously the auto-responder and sales funnels will be set up as well, but that's the jist of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Greg Jeffries
    Follow these steps and you can be making $4-5k/mo in about 6 months completely passive income.

    1. Sign up for Zeek Rewards

    2. (US only) Get a loan from Prosper.com to jumpstart your Zeek Rewards business (I recommend putting in $10k to Zeek, so I suggest getting about $15k or so from Prosper.

    If you want specific step-by-step instructions on how to sign up and get it set up completely on autopilot, PM me with your email and I'll be happy to help you.

    If you do that, like I said, you will be making and average of about $4-5k/mo in roughly 6 months. For most, you should be able to live a fairly comfortable lifestyle off that, and since it will basically be on complete autopilot, it will free you up to be able to focus completely on what you're passionate about.
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  • Originally Posted by JamesMcCaferty View Post

    Hello All,

    I am an English Teacher in Seoul (if anyone is in the area, I'd love to meet up - coffee on me). My contract is ending in 6 months, and at the end of these 6 months.. I need to make it online. I'm ready to jet-set on the wings of an internet business.

    My specialty for quite some time has been SEO, and I've managed to make myself a nice penny working just part time. However, my dream is to make more passive means of income online. That said, I believe becoming an internet marketer is right for me. I know it's a lot of hard work, and I am NOT looking to get rich quick or easy. I'm also not looking for things like "Make 100,000 month through fiver". I'm looking for more foundational things, like standard places to get traffic, - I can move on to more creative things once I develop a strong understanding of the basics.
    Like I said, I am ready to do work, and I have just modified my work schedule, and I'll be sitting down at a coffee shop, drinking green tea every morning for 4 hours ready to get it started.

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    Basically, my question is this:

    I have four hours to work every single day to make it as an internet marketer.

    The more specific the better, reading material that helped you, or lessons you learned will be incredibly helpful. Thank you warriors!

    To start off with, I'd like to be able to promote an ebook or CPA offer of some type - as from what I've read thus far, it looks like that is a good starting point.

    James,

    you've already taken some steps in the right direction.

    1.) you've got on here, and asked for help/advice.

    2.) You realise that it's not going to take a day or two to be a millionaire. Success takes time. If it didn't, we'd already all be millionaires.

    3.) you already have experience online with SEO.


    Overall, you've got a very good starting point. I know this isn't the most helpful of posts, and I can't really recommend any books or material as I specialise in writing, but I just really liked the fact that you're realistic.

    Hope you do well, and good luck in this goal/pursuit!


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  • Profile picture of the author ryanmilligan
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    Why do you only have 4 hours? If it's cause you enjoy a good nights sleep then think again. You really have to ask yourself how much you want this?

    I've not slept in 36 hours but what makes it even worse is everything I have been working on I just realised isn't going to work. So I've deletd it and I'm back to square one. IM's concept is simple but the amount of work you have ot put into this is incredible!
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    • Profile picture of the author SUPER Louie
      Originally Posted by ryanmilligan View Post

      Why do you only have 4 hours? If it's cause you enjoy a good nights sleep then think again. You really have to ask yourself how much you want this?

      I've not slept in 36 hours but what makes it even worse is everything I have been working on I just realised isn't going to work. So I've deletd it and I'm back to square one. IM's concept is simple but the amount of work you have ot put into this is incredible!
      Hey ryanmilligan, I did exactly the same thing you did - not sleeping for 36 hours and going back to square one. I did that a few weeks ago.

      Truth is... it's a bad idea to not prioritize your health. You will suffer later from the accumulated sleep debt and chronic sleep deprivation.

      Because I put my health second, and put Internet Marketing first, I'm still suffering from anxiety caused by sleep deprivation.

      It will drastically kill your productivity.

      I do agree though that you have to invest a lot of time learning how IM works.
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  • Profile picture of the author john christine
    i have four hours a day and i am giving my hours to online business and making it possible that i can do everything....in that four hours i used to do the advertisement of products and making these four hours to earn something.....
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    You should sell a nice sized product. Maybe you can get sales and break even in the process - thereby giving you a free customer. You can then backend sell these new customers with another one of your nice sized product ($50 - $100). Make sure you have an email newsletter to back this up with. Once this is done, just continue to get new customers and follow up on them on a regular basis.
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    Originally Posted by JamesMcCaferty View Post

    Hello All,

    I am an English Teacher in Seoul (if anyone is in the area, I'd love to meet up - coffee on me). My contract is ending in 6 months, and at the end of these 6 months.. I need to make it online. I'm ready to jet-set on the wings of an internet business.

    My specialty for quite some time has been SEO, and I've managed to make myself a nice penny working just part time. However, my dream is to make more passive means of income online. That said, I believe becoming an internet marketer is right for me. I know it's a lot of hard work, and I am NOT looking to get rich quick or easy. I'm also not looking for things like "Make 100,000 month through fiver". I'm looking for more foundational things, like standard places to get traffic, - I can move on to more creative things once I develop a strong understanding of the basics.
    Like I said, I am ready to do work, and I have just modified my work schedule, and I'll be sitting down at a coffee shop, drinking green tea every morning for 4 hours ready to get it started.

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    Basically, my question is this:

    I have four hours to work every single day to make it as an internet marketer.

    The more specific the better, reading material that helped you, or lessons you learned will be incredibly helpful. Thank you warriors!

    To start off with, I'd like to be able to promote an ebook or CPA offer of some type - as from what I've read thus far, it looks like that is a good starting point.
    Well, first of all, I wish you the best of luck in your online ventures and in making money online. That being said in my opinion their are two routes you can take:

    1. In my opinion this is the one for making better money, for for this you are required to have knowledge of code. This will probably also take more than six months to become big unless you have a good marketing structure. What you should do with this you should go and make a website where teachers can join in their spare times. They can video chat with their students (online tutoring) in their free time and the money can be transfered online through PayPal. You can make money with this.

    2. The second recommendation I would make if you don't have as much coding experience though for #1 you can hire someone. With this what you do is you just make a website where you put information their. You can really broadcast this idea where you have some basic information and then broadcast it out into more information. That being said, you can also tell your students about "Oh, I found this great website which can help you study." and if 150 students join on top of increasing your popularity some may buy subscriptions. I would stick with only a $4 month price.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesMcCaferty
    Originally Posted by precious007 View Post

    I'd insist staying employed wherever you are until you start making a decent income online and only then quit your day job.

    The online arena isn't as easy as it used to be, growing a business takes more than just 6 months, definitely there are shortcuts but you know that saying -

    One duck in your hand is better than two flying ducks.

    Good luck
    Awesome Quote =)
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  • Profile picture of the author PaulyC
    I started a very specific educational company with skills many others wouldn't have, simply by starting a blog and creating video after video educating. With the type of specific skills and qualifications you have, I believe you could make an absolute killing teaching English as a second language right from the Internet... if that is something you'd be interested in pursuing.

    What I did was created a specific educational course - which is something you could definitely do in your spare time.

    I'm not sure what the competition is like out there for online ESL teachers, but I think if you focus on building a sweet blog with lots of great videos (3-5 minutes) that teach your readers something valuable every time they watch, you'll find that after watching all your free videos they'll gladly sign up for your paid videos.

    My model was to put about 20 hours of free video on my blog (through posts), and my model was a paid monthly membership for access to all of my videos (over 100 hours).

    With the knowledge-base you have in ESL, I'd imagine you could create 100's of hours of videos, which could keep members hanging around for many, many months. This model could prove to be lucrative, especially if it is well advertised, which could be done via free and paid methods.

    If you have 4 hours per day to 'make it', then I'd suggest the following:
    - create a well thought out plan for your business
    - create a detailed 'to-do' list of things to get done to build the framework for the business
    - work your butt off creating content and uploading it to your website
    - work your butt off spreading the word (which you can even do by spreading flyers in Korea)

    I think six months is plenty of time if you are ready to work hard.

    Hopefully this idea is along the lines of what you were thinking... I see great potential in using your educational expertise because I was able to do so with my education.

    PM me if you want any more details.

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  • Profile picture of the author JamesMcCaferty
    Again, thank you everyone for your time in responding to my post. Many of you had great suggestions to think about in my days to come. Being that I've already carved out 20 minutes today of my four hours just with this thread, I think it's time to hit the grindstone.

    I had no idea this thread would spark so many responses, and I appreciate your insights.

    Right away, I'm going to backwards design some goals for the month (start with the goal and plan how to complete that goal). Time to get focused and mind-map some ideas.

    Cheers everyone! Continued success to all.
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    • Profile picture of the author frankm
      Originally Posted by JamesMcCaferty View Post

      Again, thank you everyone for your time in responding to my post. Many of you had great suggestions to think about in my days to come. Being that I've already carved out 20 minutes today of my four hours just with this thread, I think it's time to hit the grindstone.

      I had no idea this thread would spark so many responses, and I appreciate your insights.

      Right away, I'm going to backwards design some goals for the month (start with the goal and plan how to complete that goal). Time to get focused and mind-map some ideas.

      Cheers everyone! Continued success to all.
      Go for it James
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    Cheers! Thank you for the positivity - Continued success to you!
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  • Profile picture of the author Threaver
    wow! this is a good discussion! My 2 cents is start social networking, through sites like this, twitter, facebook, linkedin, etc. That will also help with brainstorming your approach, and finding some good contacts, but that is just one piece of the puzzle.
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    • Profile picture of the author JamesMcCaferty
      Originally Posted by Threaver View Post

      wow! this is a good discussion! My 2 cents is start social networking, through sites like this, twitter, facebook, linkedin, etc. That will also help with brainstorming your approach, and finding some good contacts, but that is just one piece of the puzzle.
      Ah yes, another part of the puzzle. Cheers!
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  • Profile picture of the author thekaver
    just hand around this forum and maybe buy a few WSOs, you will learn alot!

    then after you got a general feel for some of the different methods, choose one you enjoy!

    thanks

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    • Profile picture of the author JamesMcCaferty
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      I've got a good friend who used to work teaching English in Japan, and there are a limited number of licences available for this - so when her contract was up, she not only couldn't teach English anymore, she had to demonstrate a self-sufficient income or leave the country. So she had to move back to the US.

      I understand some other Pacific rim countries are like this, too, but I'm not familiar with the specifics of Korea. So basically, I hypothesised that your desire to make $2,000 a month in six months might be from a similar situation - where if you don't get a $2,000 monthly income, you need to leave Seoul, but you don't want to.

      It's notable that American expats in Asian countries frequently fall in love with the culture and simply don't want to leave. On the other hand, it's pretty rare that a Japanese or Korean person comes to America and says "this place is awesome, I never want to go back home."
      I. Love. Korea. It's awesome. If you're ever in the area, let me know and we'll grab a coffee, beer or Soju. Truth be told, I gave myself the 6 month deadline to get a fire under my ass. I've always considered myself a guy to seize the day and take action. (unfortunately that negative nancy that was around here earlier is no where to be seen now) , I can re-sign after 6 months, but I always like to have options .
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  • Profile picture of the author bushidosurfer
    James,

    I see many good advice for you on this thread

    I am an English Teacher in Seoul (if anyone is in the area, I'd love to meet up - coffee on me). My contract is ending in 6 months, and at the end of these 6 months.. I need to make it online. I'm ready to jet-set on the wings of an internet business.
    Don't forget your currently situation will be the motivator to "push" you to succeed faster and since your contract is running out, depending how desperate you are to achieve your target goal (I would guess very from your post , you will likely spend as much time as needed to achieve it (no matter what).

    I don't understand the part where you mentioned that SEO is a dying trend and you want to focus on aff marketing Did you mean you want to spend the 4 hours to learn AF than work on your current expertise of SEO? If this is the case then likely you will need more time.

    Mark's word are tough but makes lots of sense, it takes effort and time to learn "the processes" to make money online. If you can "maximise, be focused and disciplined (not distracted by new shining object" on the 4 hours you have with your 2 years SEO experience getting clients that require your SEO service would be not be too difficult.

    Note you don't get paid for time (be it 4 hours or 6 months), you get paid for giving value to the market place with the time you are willing to spend Keep us posted on your progress.
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    Good Lord! I, too, am a newbie and the only thing I keep think is, "so what are you saying... GoogleSniper is not how I should start?"
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    • Profile picture of the author Ben Armstrong
      Some very good advice in this thread.

      As CDarklock has pointed out... Just spend some time on planning your business in the most simple, mathematical form on paper and make your services fit in around that. Otherwise you'll end up tied down with day to day crap and no direction.

      This is from someone who started out doing things the wrong way around and learned the hard way.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    James, it sounds like you've got pretty realistic expectations of IM from what I've read so far, and definitely don't have your head in the clouds like some newbies.

    Since you already seem to know the ins and outs of SEO and I assume have been fairly successful at getting results for your clients, I feel that a natural progression to this activity would be building and ranking niche sites of your own.

    You expressed a desire for fairly passive income, and building these types of niche sites would fit that requirement. It's also pretty scalable, enabling you to build as many as you want in order to meet your income goals, and the majority of the work can be outsourced as well.

    Since you already seem to know SEO fairly well, I don't think it'd be a huge stretch to graduate to building niche sites, where you'd be more in control of both your time and income.

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    • Profile picture of the author Ben Armstrong
      Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

      James, it sounds like you've got pretty realistic expectations of IM from what I've read so far, and don't have your head in the clouds like some newbies.

      Since you already seem to know the ins and outs of SEO and I assume have been fairly successful at getting results for your clients, I feel that the natural progression to this activity would be building and ranking niche sites.

      You expressed a desire for fairly passive income, and building these types of niche sites would fit that requirement. It's also pretty scalable, enabling you to build as many as you want in order to meet your income goals, and the majority of the work can be outsourced as well.

      Since you already seem to know SEO fairly well, I don't think it'd be a huge stretch to graduate to building niche sites, where you'd be more in control of both your time and income.

      Paul
      Good advice but I think if he has a deadline of 6 months and only 4 hours a day then selling services is probably a better route to take than building niche sites.

      I myself have taken the route you describe as I want to create passive income streams but I doubt that I could have an income of 2500 per month within 6 months just by creating niche websites. I'm sure there are quite a few people on here that could do it but it takes time to learn the ropes.
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      • Profile picture of the author paulie888
        Originally Posted by Ben Armstrong View Post

        Good advice but I think if he has a deadline of 6 months and only 4 hours a day then selling services is probably a better route to take than building niche sites.

        I myself have taken the route you describe as I want to create passive income streams but I doubt that I could have an income of 2500 per month within 6 months just by creating niche websites. I'm sure there are quite a few people on here that could do it but it takes time to learn the ropes.
        Ben, I agree that it may take him longer than 6 months to reach his goal, but then again, I've also seen people who hammered out a couple of niche sites each week and were able to reach the $2k mark faster.

        He seems to be fairly proficient in SEO and isn't a complete greenhorn, and if he builds these sites systematically and outsources a modicum of the work (given the fact that he has time constraints), I don't see why he'd not be able to hit his prescribed income goals within the 6 month period.

        I base my recommendation on what he's told us about himself - if he was a complete newbie with zero experience in anything IM related, I don't think I'd have recommended the SEO/niche sites route. Besides, being a service provider is pretty hands-on work, and would probably not fit with his desire for fairly passive income.

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  • Profile picture of the author Claire Koch
    if i only had 4 hours a day i'd research giving webinars and create some niche related high end products and execute like a frank kern 4 day cashmachine. You could get real good at this in 6 months. But it takes guts.

    On another note i was watching the body guard last night was on in honor of whitney huston on lifetime. And frank the body guard took her to his dads house. The dad was talking to whitney about frank the body guard and the line hit me between the eyeballs:

    "growing up frank was amazing he did everything he wanted to and if he feared doing something he just kept doing it till the fear went away" thats approximately it not word for word

    but i thought thats all the advice i'll ever need to get over entrprenurial fear. I hope it helps you too.

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    A four day cash machine could be a special offer to your list for 4 days or s series of videos sent in a timed interval ea. that leads to the webinar in the end. these days i see everybody using fb for comments under the videos, and on rare occasions I see people using a wordpress blog.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesMcCaferty
    I've been following the Jerry Seinfeld Productivity method as described here on lifehacker Jerry Seinfeld's Productivity Secret
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    I have a calendar, that I use just to put large X's in everyday I spend my four hours a day. It feels great crossing those bad-boys off.
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    I really do feel that from Monday to Friday I'm in a different place. The quote comes to mind:

    "Inch by inch, achieving your dream is a cinch" =)
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    For those following: I've taken great interest in utilize my skills and reaching out, working with other people in joint ventures. I'm aiming to keep the amount of projects LOW. 3 Projects currently. They include:
    -Ecommmerce Website with a partner
    -Becoming a head writer at an already well established 10k unique per month niche site, that I'm going to use my skills to augment its current site. (Add drop-shipping, affiliate links instead of adsense, use my SEO-skills to rank for more keywords, and marketing prowess to build a list - the current newsletter was just automatic notification of new posts)
    -Work with a friend and build a membership site.

    Cheers friends. Thanks to all who are following! Positivity and success to you!
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    • Profile picture of the author Claire Koch
      looks like you are off to a great start if you try my idea look into webinar swaps forgot to mention that because the name slipped my mind. old age lol

      Originally Posted by JamesMcCaferty View Post

      I've been following the Jerry Seinfeld Productivity method as described here on lifehacker Jerry Seinfeld's Productivity Secret
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      I really do feel that from Monday to Friday I'm in a different place. The quote comes to mind:

      "Inch by inch, achieving your dream is a cinch" =)
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      For those following: I've taken great interest in utilize my skills and reaching out, working with other people in joint ventures. I'm aiming to keep the amount of projects LOW. 3 Projects currently. They include:
      -Ecommmerce Website with a partner
      -Becoming a head writer at an already well established 10k unique per month niche site, that I'm going to use my skills to augment its current site. (Add drop-shipping, affiliate links instead of adsense, use my SEO-skills to rank for more keywords, and marketing prowess to build a list - the current newsletter was just automatic notification of new posts)
      -Work with a friend and build a membership site.

      Cheers friends. Thanks to all who are following! Positivity and success to you!
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  • Profile picture of the author logcabinguy
    Skip Internet marketing. Just skip it. I don't market Internet products. I still find the warrior forum very useful for marketing online and that is what you should be doing. The Internet is a gold mine and so can be starting a business off the internet. You could start a 5 star restaurant, a chain of gas stations, a carpet cleaning business. What you are asking yourself is...can I start a business online for less than $50 and make it by working 4 hours a day everyday for 6 months...sure...sure you can, anything is possible...but being realistic...you have already given yourself a dead-line - now you are rushing.

    Think about what you want to be doing for the next year...2 years 5 years 10 years. Start a business in an area you are interested in. Your an English teacher in Seol - great "Discover how to learn English in 60 Minutes" you are already an expert. You could quite possibly start the largest English home tutoring service in Seol. You could start a website offering ebooks, cds on learning languages. Whatever you do do what is fun.
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  • Profile picture of the author terrencewan
    Hi if given a choice, I will just concentrate on building a list, as most of us know, the money is in the list, and it is really true. This is what i call, a reverse engineering, is it too complicated to understand?
    For a traditional business, one will setup a shop first and wait for the customers or clients to come in. But for an online business, first, you should build your list first by offering them freebies, sharing with them, talking to them to build rapport, etc.
    Once you have build a list, you can start to promote products to them slowly, that will increase your conversion rate.

    Hopes help.
    Terrence Wan
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnDBrewer
    Hey James,

    I sent you an PM with a link that I think you will hopefully find helpful.

    John Brewer
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  • Profile picture of the author David328
    Hey, I'm just like you! I have a full time job and family. For the past few weeks I was working hard to get my first website together.

    My advise:
    1. choose a good keyword / niche
    2. do a lot of research
    3. turn that information into articles
    4. put together a website based on your niche and recommend products to your visitors.

    Good luck!
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