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Writing articles is not my strong point but i can knock out a 500 word article but it takes me way too much time to do this. Really, its a painful exercise for me.

I'm in the process of setting up a 3 tier link structure for one of my sites but i need "different" versions of my article or alternatively, i need to write many more articles.

Does everyone use spinning software? I would like to pay someone to write for me eventually but cannot afford a good writer at the moment plus i think most article writers within my budget are probably using spinning software anyway. Maybe, i'm being cynical there.

If spinning is the way to go, and i mean using a good software and then manually going over it all to ensure its quality, what spinning software is the best. Is TBS worth almost $80 a year or is there another way?
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Dave Guiri View Post

    Does everyone use spinning software?
    No. My strong impression is that very, very few article marketers who are making a living use it at all.

    Originally Posted by Dave Guiri View Post

    Is TBS worth almost $80 a year or is there another way?
    I think these threads may help you a lot ...

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5410377

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-articles.html

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...necessary.html

    Article Marketers - Lay the Duplicate Content Myth To Rest Once and For All | Internet Marketing and Publishing

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5068872
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  • Profile picture of the author MarketingChad
    There are tons of free software solutions out there for spinning software. When I first started using spinning for SEO, I just used a free software tool I got from signing up for a marketer's list, it did the job just fine!

    Of course once you have a bit more money to invest, you can upgrade to a paid tool if you find that spinning is something you do a lot of and need a more robust solution. TBS is a good one and is pretty feature-rich, an industry standard...there are of course other options as well.

    If you're looking for a free tool, just search for "Free Spinner Software" on Google and you'll get pages of options.

    The biggest thing with spinning is learning how to do it well. No matter how expensive the software you purchase, if your spinning and syntax is no good, you're still going to churn out junk articles which won't be very helpful. Any software that tells you it will auto-generate spun versions shouldn't be a selling point to you, in fact you shouldn't really use that feature if you want the most effective spun articles for SEO.

    Just practice rewriting and article with free software for now and as you get more advanced, you will be leaps and bounds above most marketers out there. Remember, it's not about the tool, it's about how you use it that really matters.


    EDIT: I want to clarify, you shouldn't use spinning on content for your website. If you want to use spinning, do it for link building only and make sure your original content for your link building is original, from there spin that into unique versions to build links. You should ALWAYS have completely original and unique content on your website.
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  • Profile picture of the author James.N
    Im anti spin as well. I've never seen any good results with it. More importantly, I believe Google is cracking down on spun content more and more. I believe they are able to detect better than most people think.

    If you are determined to use spinning software - check out spin rewriter
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Alexa,

    nice avatar but i disagree

    It's about how much work you put into spinning and how careful you select synonyms. Dave, if you need a writer and/or spinner, feel free to contact me. I am providing quality work.

    Edit: As for software, i still use and prefer Spinnerchief. But you need to be aware that the best software will NOT make it easier for you, nor will it "magically" write your articles. I mean, you are still the one writing the articles..and if you spin you are actually doing even more work eg. if you need variations for each sentence. The software will NOT make it easier and faster for you to write.
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  • Profile picture of the author NicoleBeckett
    Originally Posted by Dave Guiri View Post

    Does everyone use spinning software?
    Nope... not even close. The only people who want you to think that are the ones who sell spinning software

    Originally Posted by Dave Guiri View Post

    plus i think most article writers within my budget are probably using spinning software anyway. Maybe, i'm being cynical there.
    You're not being cynical. Unfortunately, it's true. You wouldn't believe how many clients have come my way after buying cheap "rewritten" content that was shoved through a spinner. Those clients either wound up paying me to start over from scratch or try to rewrite the mangled mess. Either way, they wound up spending alot more money than they would have by just starting at my rates (even though they're much higher than the $4-per-article crowd). Heck, I'm working on a proofreading project right now where a large chunk of it has clearly been spun. I actually logged onto the WF to give my eyes a rest from it all!

    If I were you, I would either rewrite things by hand or come up with a new strategy. Especially in today's world - where Panda and relevant links are all the rage at Google headquarters - you've got to have solid content. And, to those that say "spinning works if you do it right", it's far less time-consuming to rewrite by hand than it is to spin "the right way".
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave Guiri
    Thanks for your answers, i understand that spinning content for my website is a no-no, furthermore i would only put quality personally written content on my sites even if this is a drag time-wise.

    Specifically i want to know about spinning articles for article directories and building links. When building links, is it better to use spun articles? I'm assuming duplicate content would have a negative effect on my site.

    For example, original article on my site, then i write 6 sub-articles to submit to web2.0 sites and link back to my main site. I can do all of this manually but its the next level i have a problem with. I want to send more articles to article directories and link back to the web2.0 so i cannot use duplicate content and will need a lot of content.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Nicole,

    "by hand" is the way to go...but the software helps in selecting synonyms. As i said..YOU are still the one writing the article whether you use a spinner or not...if someone cannot write...the spinner wont be of any use really
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    • Profile picture of the author NicoleBeckett
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      ...if someone cannot write...the spinner wont be of any use really
      I think that's the main problem with spinners... people see them as a magical content writer. They think all you have to do is push a button and - voila! - instant content :p

      Dave, back when I first started, I rewrote articles (by hand) before submitting them to different places, and I saw no difference from an SEO standpoint.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dave Guiri
        Originally Posted by NicoleBeckett View Post

        back when I first started, I rewrote articles (by hand) before submitting them to different places
        I wish i was a talented writer to be able to do this but i suppose i'm being impatient when i want it all done asap. It can take me a full day to write 1 decent article and even then , i'm not that impressed with my writing.

        So when i have designed a campaign than will require 1 article for my site, 6 web 2.0 articles and then another 5 versions of each of the web2.0 articles for the directories, thats a total of 36 articles, which is roughly a month on my current rate. I do feel i could do much more with that month than writing content all day. Hopefully i can build up my income thread slowly and one day be able to pay a quality writer for excellent content.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    When building links, is it better to use spun articles?
    Opinions vary here, Alexa will tell you it doesn't matter...and to be honest i personally did NOT do research and compared rankings and SEO success as in "link building with spun articles VERSUS non-spun".

    Fact is that some networks only allow spun articles, they have a minimum of spin-level requirement..so you NEED to submit spun articles to get your articles accepted in the first place. Eg. if i submit to ALN...often only sentence level spins are not sufficient since its below 100 levels. I have to do word synonyms too just to be able to submit and get over 100 variations in an article.
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  • Profile picture of the author cardine
    Spinning is great for tier 2 sites like Web 2.0's or contextual blog networks. It currently is not good enough for money sites. However, AI is improving at a very fast pace and we will have completely readable spintax within the next couple of years. With spintax you can create 10,000 social bookmarks with the click of a button and start ranking for very difficult keywords. Without spintax you would have to write a unique description for each one, and suddenly a $20 expense becomes a $1,000 expense.

    If you are not utilizing automated linkbuilding (whether that is SeNuke, LFE, or any other tool like that), then spinning is not that useful.

    I do not personally think that TBS is worth the $80/year. It used to be very good, but it is currently outdated and uses virtually no AI at all (just a good synonyms database).

    I'd recommend something like WordAi or SpinRewriter, both of which use AI to pick synonyms that actually sound right. Although both of them are also more expensive than TBS, so you get what you pay for.

    The one thing TBS is good at is speeding up the process of manually creating spintax, which is very useful.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    So when i have designed a campaign than will require 1 article for my site, 6 web 2.0 articles and then another 5 versions of each of the web2.0 articles for the directories, thats a total of 36 articles, which is roughly a month on my current rate. I do feel i could do much more with that month than writing content all day.
    This is definitely overkill if that content is "only" for link building..and to be honest i don't think there would be a good "work --> benefit" ratio. Alternatively, you could still hire some "cheap" article writer for $3 or so..i mean it would save you a WHOLE day's work??

    For web2.0 properties etc. their quality is *usually* ok, as long as you don't go for the nobel prize in literature...but what web2.0 site etc. has such requirements?
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    • Profile picture of the author Dave Guiri
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      This is definitely overkill if that content is "only" for link building..and to be honest i don't think there would be a good "work --> benefit" ratio.
      Yep, its only for link building content so maybe not worth a FULL day writing.
      I think i will manually spin the content i write for the web 2.0 sites and then push it out to some article directories before creating links to them. I'm still new at this game and seem to spend a lot of time trialing and testing, hopefully it will be worth it in the end. Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Tangela
    I have tried spinning my articles in the past and the quality of the spun article was not very good. I think it is just best to write your own articles until you can afford to purchase.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Don't roll with the spinner software. The results are laughable. How many articles are you looking to have produced everyday?
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    • Profile picture of the author JimmyR
      Aw man, these threads always make me laugh.

      I sell spinning software so yes, there is a conflict of interest.

      There are people in here saying "they don't know any people making money online who spin". I hang out in various paid private forums where a majority of the people in there are full time marketers. A lot of them are killing it. Spun content is a often talked about in these places as common sense. Spinning equals less work in the long run.

      The confusion arises with the spinning methods and the actual goals of spun content.

      People are always quick to hammer spun content as nonsense, when this is only really the case with auto spins and poorly spun content. PROPER spinning with paragraph, sentence, phrase and light word spinning makes complete sense almost all of the time. You only need to put an hour or two of work in (or pay someone to) and you have 50+ times the amount of content to distribute to Web 2.0, blog networks or where ever the hell you want to submit.

      Spun content is best used in creating link pyramids/wheels/webs/nets (whatever you want to call it). And then using the spun content to promote every node with hundreds of articles submitted all around the place. It's also good for snippet distribution, but that's another topic.

      If you want to offer the best quality content to high traffic places in the hope that you will get a slice of that traffic, of course you should not use spun content. Comparing this to the above is apples and oranges.

      Spun content is great for SEO. Original content is great for your own site and high traffic zones.

      To the OP, you can find the best spinning software in my sig (no, really)
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  • Profile picture of the author RealBusy
    Rewriting by hand is the way to go. All the time
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  • Profile picture of the author Hisocial
    A lot has already been written on this topic. I agree with the manual thing. Rewrite by hand.
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