Should I feel guilty about this or do others do this too?

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Banned 12 years ago

Of course not. Nothing unethical or lazy about outsourcing. Go for it.

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MissLauraCatella

12 years ago

It's impossible for you to run every aspect of your business yourself. It's 100% acceptable, and encouraged, for you to outsource the things that will make your business as a whole run more efficiently. Also, you're giving work to someone else, which is great.

Feel good about what you do. You deserve to.

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Joseph G Spiteri 12 years ago

No your not being lazy you being practical. That's how most of use
IMers work, we outsource certain tasks.
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canada94

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MissLauraCatella

It's impossible for you to run every aspect of your business yourself. It's 100% acceptable, and encouraged, for you to outsource the things that will make your business as a whole run more efficiently. Also, you're giving work to someone else, which is great.

Feel good about what you do. You deserve to.

Totaly agree with Laura, just stick at what you are good at, and outsource the rest = more time for you to do what your good at!

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JerryMAC

12 years ago

You shouldn't, IMO. Go for it my friend

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Jetmir

12 years ago

No, I don't think it is at all.

In fact, we should outsource as much work as possible in order to spend our time working on something bigger, on some bigger projects. You should work more on that, on finding new ideas to implement, for bigger profits.

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AffScot

12 years ago

There's nothing lazy about outsourcing. You can't do everything yourself, by outsourcing parts of your daily tasks, you open up free time to do other things for your business.

Originally Posted by MissLauraCatella

Also, you're giving work to someone else, which is great.

This is also a great point, you're providing someone else with work.

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R Hagel

12 years ago

Originally Posted by TheNewGuy2010

I do work a full-time job that entails labor and some days I'm just to tired to write and as of late, I've being very tired.

Do you think YOUR boss is lazy for not just doing all the labor him/herself? No, of course not. S/he has hired you to grow the business faster.

Same thing goes for your business. You don't have to do all the work yourself. And if you want to grow your business faster, you shouldn't do it all yourself.

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JForsberg

12 years ago

Not at all. I'm super new in IM, and let me tell you what, I've wrote about 20 topics/articles for my website in total. And you know what? They're rubbish! I've just received a big SEO package from another Warrior member full of outsourced articles. And I'm waiting for another 8 articles from a second Warrior. People even make niche sides and fill them with outsourced data, only to make some decent money on AdSense or any other program. You're all fine by doing it.

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Tech19

12 years ago

I understand what you are saying, I felt like that the first time I outsourced some writing. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this as long as it's content that they are qualified to write. For example, I would never outsource an article for $5 about how to prevent bacterial infections in hospitals. You could, however, find a qualified medical writer on elance and still outsource the work, but pay a bigger price. Either way, it's leverage and just the same as hiring an employee.

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Ron Desi

12 years ago

Businesses outsource all the time. If it allows you to focus on your talents and strengths then by all means, outsource away!! Nothing to feel guilty about.

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Jere Kuisma

12 years ago

Not at all. If you don't enjoy writing you should outsource it, logically. And you pay for the content creator so it's nothing unfair.

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buckeyes09

12 years ago

Brick and mortar entrepreneurs have people who work for them. They're called employees.

Many of the top players outsource because it saves them time or lets someone who's better at something do the work instead.

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sentinelsoft

12 years ago

Nothing wrong with outsourcing, except if you are writing to build your skills then you should find time writing on your own.

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mrclean78

12 years ago

It's all about what you have time for. I personally prefer to spend my time doing serious SEO work than to spend it writing. The exact opposite may be true for others.

In other words, manage your time based on what your best at, and outsource the rest.

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topgun129 12 years ago

no you shouldn't feel bad about it. that is the only way you can scale a business up. if you got to do everything yourself you'll be a jack of all, master of none. running a business is all about maintaining all the facets of your business and not being tied up in them.
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Dean Thompson 12 years ago

As I am new to IM and would like to succeed, I've done plenty of research over the last few months learning techniques, methods & strategies.

Something that crops up regularly from experienced IMers are the benefits of outsourcing various aspects of their business.

You're not being lazy, you're just making a sensible decision.

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Benjamin Ehinger

12 years ago

Originally Posted by TheNewGuy2010

I just started outsourcing my writing to a very good writer but for some reason, I feel like I'm doing something wrong. I know what I'm doing is ethical but I guess I feel like I'm taking the path of laziness by not doing it myself.

I do work a full-time job that entails labor and some days I'm just to tired to write and as of late, I've being very tired. So I started outsourcing my content, that I am pleased with.

Do you IMer's think this is being lazy?

Not at all. This is smart and most of the biggest IMers are outsourcing nearly everything. That is why people like me exist.

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Robert Howe 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Benjamin Ehinger

This is smart and most of the biggest IMers are outsourcing nearly everything. That is why people like me exist.

Amen!

I have spent the better part of the last 15 years doing outsourced work from marketers and businesses. It's perfectly ethical. I have a certain skill set that I used to sell to others who needed my type of work.

Check out the WSO section and look at all the courses and information products available about outsourcing ... it's a big part of this whole market.
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JOSourcing

Banned 12 years ago

Look at outsourcing as opportunities, whereas each instance of outsourcing is an opportunity to accomplish a goal. The more you outsource, the more opportunities you create.

And with a decent ROI, your opportunities could be limitless.

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Talha AboveMax

12 years ago

Always try to out source most part of your work to get free, to think bigger to do bigger. If you can write a 500 word article in one hour which cost you $10 let say and in the mean time you can read, learn, or test some thing which will give you more profit then $10 then you should spend your time on other things......

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CDarklock

12 years ago

Originally Posted by TheNewGuy2010

I feel like I'm doing something wrong.

What, exactly, do you think you are doing wrong? And why is it wrong?

If you can't explain what's wrong and why, maybe it's not wrong.

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michaelcorvin

12 years ago

Being lazy would be not taking the time to hire someone. The reality is that your business is going to be build on leverage...other peoples money, time, software. If you are trying to do it all yourself you will never make it.

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12 years ago

You cannot be all things to all people. Outsourcing is working smart instead of lazy. You're doing a good job by outsourcing.

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WittyT

12 years ago

People who are successful do not have more talent, or are more intelligent than others, they just know how to surround themselves with the right (knowledgeable/skilled) people.

I wouldn't worry about getting someone to do the writing for you. More than that, if I were you, I would ask myself: "what else could I outsource so I coul free up my time to do the things that really matter?"

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Griffin Smith 12 years ago

I don't think there is anything wrong with outsourcing content, I do sometimes if I'm really swamped and need to make a deadline.

Just make sure you're checking the quality of content from your outsource, because sometimes they get lazy.

I've been burned this way before and it was a hard lesson learned..
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- LindseyRainwater 12 years ago
  
  I struggled with this for awhile in my business. Mainly because I'm a perfectionist and I'm terrible about trying to micro-manage - and I used to BE a freelance writer.
  
  So for months I struggled with writing EVERYTHING myself, and in my business there is a lot of writing to be done. Pretty soon, I was hating myself because I was missing deadlines (self-imposed) and I wasn't having fun with any part of the process.
  
  I finally took advice to outsource a little bit of the writing, because while I am very good at it, I'm not super FAST at it, and it was keeping me back. Now I outsource the stuff that I don't have to do, which leaves me time to be a perfectionist on the really important pieces that my buyers rely on, and to work on the things I get a kick out of, such as blogging.
  
  And I'm ENJOYING my business! I still spend many hours a day on it, but at the end of the day a lot is done and I'm keeping up with my self-imposed deadlines now!
  
  Henry Ford told people he didn't have to know ALL the answers. That he had a button on his desk that would summon the people who had the answers he needed - I decided to be like that. I don't need to know every little thing that goes into my business anymore. I need to know the gist of it, but I can escape the learning curve AND put my time toward things that I CAN'T outsource.
  
  Outsourcing is not lazy at all! It isn't as though you don't have a hundred other things still waiting for you to do them.
  
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johan_malmo

12 years ago

I think all IM'ers that make money are outsourcing atleast a few tasks... Just you outsource whatever you want to, I know I do

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Fatality

12 years ago

There are so many people who outsource. You should not feel bad. It is actually smart to outsource if you have the money because it saves you time in which you could be doing other stuff with.

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12 years ago

If it wasn't for outsourcing, I wouldn't be able to continue my online business

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Kierkegaard

12 years ago

There comes a point when it is impossible for a single person to compete with a rival group (or groups). There are many disadvantages to going it alone but here's just one:

As your business grows you start throwing money way paying huge sums for unskilled work. For example: suppose you value your time at $40p/h - when you are submitting articles to directories, or deleting spam from your blog or forum, and all similar tasks you are paying $40 a hour for this work to be done. If you outsourced this work to someone else, paying them $10p/h then you can get on with the more complex work yourself.

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PaulyC

12 years ago

Outsourcing as much as you can is how you scale your business. Don't feel bad, instead be proud that you've at least taken the action to get your business going!

Congrats.

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Banned 12 years ago

This has to be a parody thread.

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Fixers

12 years ago

WOW this would make me sooooooo lazy!!!

The thing is if you do not outsource you will struggle to scale what you are doing (well not in 100% of cases but a lot). The key to any growing business is scalability. Think of it as you just running a market stall selling some fruit and veg on your own, if you get to the size of a supermarket can you still do this on your own

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marcelomusza

12 years ago

Go for it!
Just think about it, you gain a lot of time promoting the articles that you are outsourcing to other people instead of being writing them by your hand. This saved time goes directly on traffic generation that will increase your overall income. It's positive whatever the way you look at it, even paying another person to do it for you.
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paul_1

12 years ago

It's not laziness at all. It's a way for you to keep things up. Outsourcing is never negative provided that you can live up to the expectation of your clients or business

Go for it! Do whatever possible to be on track.

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alchemist720

12 years ago

Don't feel guilty you're beginning to operate on employer mode, you're paying for a service and your employee is providing that service so it's a WIN WIN situation plus this allows you to rest up a bit and use the time you now have available for other endeavors...

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ADR2012

12 years ago

Outsourcing tasks is one of the major components of a successful business. One person cannot do ALL the work, and you need to delegate the tasks to keep the business flowing along while you focus more on developing the technicalities of the business and maybe even venturing off and creating new ideas for another business. Outsourcing is essential to success!! Do not feel as though you are being lazy my friend..

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Arroway

12 years ago

Everybody outsources work at some point. You are only one person and can't do all of it, let alone grow a big business. So no need to feel guilty about it. Just make sure you never sit down and never get up again, so to speak. Once you get to the point where you can quit your job, make sure you are always active and never slack off

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RichardDean

12 years ago

Well, out sourcing is ok... I might have the question he is not explaining so let me guess.

I think you might be worried about putting your name on work you did not do, this will make people feel like something is wrong.

You should never put your name on something you did not write.

Why Because you did not write it.

I know people do it all the time just because they add their name to a PLR or out sourced piece of work does not make it right.

I see above people talk about employees, If Joe does the work can his manager Frank take credit for it... NO that just is not right.

Out Source your work is fine just don't take credit for something you did not do and you will feel a lot better.

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JOSourcing

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by RichardDean

Well, out sourcing is ok... I might have the question he is not explaining so let me guess.

I think you might be worried about putting your name on work you did not do, this will make people feel like something is wrong.

You should never put your name on something you did not write.

Why Because you did not write it.

I know people do it all the time just because they add their name to a PLR or out sourced piece of work does not make it right.

I see above people talk about employees, If Joe does the work can his manager Frank take credit for it... NO that just is not right.

Out Source your work is fine just don't take credit for something you did not do and you will feel a lot better.

Richard

This is relevant advice for something like licensing content of some sort, but it isn't how outsourcing generally works. Through typical outsourcing, a provider signs over all rights to the entity that hired him or her. I say "typical" because rights can be negotiated into an outsourcing contract. But it isn't the norm -- not in online outsourcing anyway.

In regards to assigning work to an employee, that's not outsourcing. That's delegating.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by JOSourcing

This is relevant advice for something like licensing content of some sort, but it isn't how outsourcing generally works. Through typical outsourcing, a provider signs over all rights to the entity that hired him or her. I say "typical" because rights can be negotiated into an outsourcing contract. But it isn't the norm -- not in online outsourcing anyway.

In regards to assigning work to an employee, that's not outsourcing. That's delegating.

If you outsourced a book or what ever... morals or ethics or the force or conscience --- in college it would be plagiarism You know in your heart you did not write it.

You should not put your name on it or claim you wrote it... DO PEOPLE YES... that is something they have to live with.

You can have all the rights in the world to what ever was wrote does not make it that you wrote it.

You may own it but you did not write it. don't say you did unless you really did.

Richard

Can you go get a job at the local newspaper and outsource the work then submit the news to be printed as your own?

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Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by RichardDean

If you outsourced a book or what ever... morals or ethics or the force or conscience --- in college it would be plagiarism You know in your heart you did not write it.

You should not put your name on it or claim you wrote it... DO PEOPLE YES... that is something they have to live with.

You can have all the rights in the world to what ever was wrote does not make it that you wrote it.

You may own it but you did not write it. don't say you did unless you really did.

Richard

Can you go get a job at the local newspaper and outsource the work then submit the news to be printed as your own?

Richard, outsourcing has been a regular and legal business process since the dawn of man. Keyword: business. College students are not businesspersons, and therefore, aren't really relevant to the discussion. Newspapers are relevant however, and they outsource work all the time.

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RichardDean

12 years ago

Originally Posted by JOSourcing

Richard, outsourcing has been a regular and legal business process since the dawn of man. Keyword: business. College students are not businesspersons, and therefore, aren't really relevant to the discussion. Newspapers are relevant however, and they outsource work all the time.

There is plenty of college students who are businesspersons, I went back to college when I was 36 and at that time I owned 3 business brick and mortar.

Half or more of the people in college are business people going back.

Tom from the local newspaper he can outsource a article to Sue and Philip could have been outsourced to take the photo.

But Tom does not put his name on the article or the photo because he did not write it or take the photo....

What I'm talking about is claiming something that you did not do. That seems like the gut feeling the OP is talking about. Something just is not right with him outsourcing, out source all you want but don't say you did the work if you did not.

When you bought that PLR eBook and you put your name on it... and you tell your friends and family I wrote a book... You did not write a book.

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Originally Posted by RichardDean

There is plenty of college students who are businesspersons, I went back to college when I was 36 and at that time I owned 3 business brick and mortar.

Half or more of the people in college are business people going back.

Tom from the local newspaper he can outsource a article to Sue and Philip could have been outsourced to take the photo.

But Tom does not put his name on the article or the photo because he did not write it or take the photo....

What I'm talking about is claiming something that you did not do. That seems like the gut feeling the OP is talking about. Something just is not right with him outsourcing, out source all you want but don't say you did the work if you did not.

When you bought that PLR eBook and you put your name on it... and you tell your friends and family I wrote a book... You did not write a book.

Richard

It's unfortunate that the topic of this thread isn't about ownership and outsourcing, because it makes for a good discussion. So I'll end my participation with a link to a document that explains how assigned rights work in outsourcing, and why they work that way: Works Made for Hire Under the 1976 Copyright Act (http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ09.pdf).

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RichardDean

12 years ago

Originally Posted by JOSourcing

It's unfortunate that the topic of this thread isn't about ownership and outsourcing, because it makes for a good discussion. So I'll end my participation with a link to a document that explains how assigned rights work in outsourcing, and why they work that way: Works Made for Hire Under the 1976 Copyright Act (http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ09.pdf).

I'm not disagreeing with who could own a outsourced piece of work... It goes to the contract of who retains rights of ownership. I hire you, we a legal contract that says you give all rights to me.. and you have non. then I own the works...

I'm talking about not who owns the work that is laid out in the official contract...

NOTE: You need to have a official contract or you could find yourself not really owing it. if you hire a writer and don't have a legal binding contract then you don't really own the works. It could be fought in court and without a contract you would most cases lose.

I hire you I own the works...
If I tell my friends and family or who ever that I wrote this, That is wrong because I did not write it.
Sure I own it, but I can't say I wrote it when in fact I did not write it... That is the morals and all that other stuff claiming you did something when you did not do it.

I own my house free and clear, built it in 2007 bought and paid for... (thanks to IM) I own it 100% .... Now I can't tell people I built it myself... that would be a lie... I can say I had it built, And I own it.. I can't say I built it.

You can't tell someone you did something when you did not do it.

Richard

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12 years ago

WOW.........thanks for all of the support.

I don't feel so bad after all.

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12 years ago

Absolutely not. Everyone does it. You have to do it to keep growing after a certain point. In fact, it's just good business sense. You know the value of your time. If you're worth $50 an hour and you can get someone to clean your whole house for $20 an hour, would you do it yourself or hire a cleaner? Right. So if you can get aspects of your web business handled for less than it would cost you to handle yourself, you should do that as well. (However, cost isn't the only factor - with things like copywriting, you might have to pay someone more than you'd 'pay yourself' in order to get temporary access to a very specialized set of skills).

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12 years ago

Even though you work a full time job... would it be too hard to write 3 articles per day when you get off?

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Michael Tracey

12 years ago

Originally Posted by TheNewGuy2010

I just started outsourcing my writing to a very good writer but for some reason, I feel like I'm doing something wrong. I know what I'm doing is ethical but I guess I feel like I'm taking the path of laziness by not doing it myself.

I do work a full-time job that entails labor and some days I'm just to tired to write and as of late, I've being very tired. So I started outsourcing my content, that I am pleased with.

Do you IMer's think this is being lazy?

I have to question whether the above is really a serious question or a bit of a spoof.

If it's really serious I apologize & can only restate what others have said viz: No it's definitely not being lazy au contraire it's being very sensible and is the way to get ahead

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ttdub

12 years ago

Some of the biggest companies in the world outsource. Apple outsources their screens to samsung. It has to be done some times.

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Tadresources

12 years ago

Outsourcing is a great way to free up time and invest your talents in your projects to reap a greater benefit. Just be sure to use the time gained from your outsourcing to its greatest benefit and keep your eye on your goals. If you are outsourcing for lack of commitment or effort, the results could turn out very different in the end. However, the real problem is not the outsourcing at that point is it?

Just as Rome was not built in a day, it was not built by one person either.

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vivi62

12 years ago

you are now managing your workload so that you can concentrate on growing your business thats what all clever businessmen do.
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12 years ago

Originally Posted by TheNewGuy2010

I just started outsourcing my writing to a very good writer but for some reason, I feel like I'm doing something wrong. I know what I'm doing is ethical but I guess I feel like I'm taking the path of laziness by not doing it myself.

I do work a full-time job that entails labor and some days I'm just to tired to write and as of late, I've being very tired. So I started outsourcing my content, that I am pleased with.

Do you IMer's think this is being lazy?

As a writer myself, I say absolutely... NOT!

Believe me, hiring someone to do the writing for you can not only be a good idea or an ethical one, but also a smart one. This goes especially for those who actually have no experience writing out chunks of meaty text for a good deal of their day. As much as I'm probably donning my literature hat when I say this, believe me when I say writing is indeed an art. It's not something you can master overnight. Weaving words together constantly and consistently at high speed is something that requires a hefty amount of practice.

And also, mentioning my experience as a writer, even skilled ones put in a lot more effort than what some people assume. If you try writing with a tired mind and the subject matter isn't something that's actually going to relax you, you'll be killing yourself (mentally at least).

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12 years ago

Do you think your writer is upset that you're giving them work?

I don't.

Besides, even with the content off your plate, you still have plenty of work to do. You've still
got a business to run.

Freeing up time by outsourcing content creation to a talented professional allows you to
spend more time growing your business, creating even more value and more work for your
writer. That's a win-win.

There are some writers with an employee mentality that don't understand this dynamic and
even act resentful towards value-creating entrepreneurs, but those aren't the types you want
to work with anyhow.

Keep doing what you're doing, guilt free.

Best of luck!

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rainingproblems

12 years ago

Nothing to feel guilty about....can't run your biz entirely by yourself

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satrap

12 years ago

Originally Posted by TheNewGuy2010

I just started outsourcing my writing to a very good writer but for some reason, I feel like I'm doing something wrong. I know what I'm doing is ethical but I guess I feel like I'm taking the path of laziness by not doing it myself.

I do work a full-time job that entails labor and some days I'm just to tired to write and as of late, I've being very tired. So I started outsourcing my content, that I am pleased with.

Do you IMer's think this is being lazy?

I know exactly how you feel. I have two offline jobs and I really work hard, so when I started my IM journey, I started doing everything myslef and I would get a few hours of sleep every night and had to go back to work the next day.

I did this for a while, even after I started making enough money to quit both my day jobs and have enough money to pay someone else to do some of the work, I kept on doing it myslef.

However, after a while, I realized I just couldn't do it all by myslef. Yes, its good to do what you can, because in my opinion, it gives you good experience and so when you do hire someone, you know what you want and you know how to pay.

But, the plus side of outsourcing is that not only you save yourself a little time, but you are basically sharing your success with someone else as well.

I actually think that you and all of us who do out source (at least those who pay fairly), should be proud that we are creating jobs in this jobless economy. I mean, for many people, especially over seas, those few dollars here and there that we pay them, are what enables them to put food on the table for them and their family, although to many of us the few dollars we pay them may seem like nothing.

So, instead of feeling guilty, be happy that you are creating jobs (however small it may seem to you and I) in a desperately jobless economy.

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buckeyes09

12 years ago

I suppose we all could make a full-time income by not outsourcing. But becoming big would be pretty hard unless you're working big law hours.

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bobsstuff

12 years ago

Do you think Ronald McDonald makes hamburgers? No, he hires people to do the job. He provides employment and makes money at the same time.

At some point, if you are building a business, you have to outsource a lot of your work so you can concentrate on making business decisions.

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YasirYar

12 years ago

Its better to out source your content writing than to do it yourself. There is nothing wrong in that. In fact, this is the best option as you will get some new and fresh ideas. Look for a team of writers so that you get input from several minds.

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Dazzling Content

12 years ago

Outsourcing is good. We need other people to take on our tasks or else we'll go crazy.

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Sandor Verebi 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat

This has to be a parody thread.

Originally Posted by Michael Tracey

I have to question whether the above is really a serious question or a bit of a spoof...

LOL I also think that the issue is frivolous, given that the OP is already Wf Member since May 2010. During such time, someone could have read a lot about outsourcing here.

But, I may be wrong.
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sarconi

12 years ago

nothing wrong with outsourcing, like all good business people you have to delegate, let other people do what you are not good at . So go ahead and go for it.

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Matt Huggins

12 years ago

I like to have the wealth spread around to make my job a bit easier as well I try to find people for my writing. They just know how to do it so much better than me

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Should I feel guilty about this or do others do this too?

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