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Want an easy way to get an idea of how much internet marketers make?

by timtheman
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I've seen countless of those post here on warrior, and generally people really don't answer. But here is a quick and easy way to get a general view: go to flippa.

people trying to sell their sites usually give pretty detailed info about their monthly income, traffic, and all that jazz.

So for all the newbies, voila.
#easy #idea #internet #make #marketers
  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    So, you are suggesting we should believe everything we see on Flippa? :p

    I wouldn't if I were you...
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    • Profile picture of the author timtheman
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      So, you are suggesting we should believe everything we see on Flippa? :p

      I wouldn't if I were you...
      Sure there's scammers on flippa, but their probably are some here too. The point is there are some legit people there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fatality
    I don't really see why it matters how much other people are making. You should be worrying about how much you are making and how you can improve your tactics to make more.

    I guess this could help find out, but like I said who cares what others make.
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    • Profile picture of the author timtheman
      Originally Posted by Fatality View Post

      I don't really see why it matters how much other people are making. You should be worrying about how much you are making and how you can improve your tactics to make more.

      I guess this could help find out, but like I said who cares what others make.
      We'll when you decide your career at university or college, one of the main things you do look at is the expected income. Why should it be different for internet marketing? I understand that their really is no "typical" amount that marketers make, but why can't a person try to find out how much income they can possibly making if they switch to im as career.
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    • Profile picture of the author timtheman
      Originally Posted by Fatality View Post

      I don't really see why it matters how much other people are making. You should be worrying about how much you are making and how you can improve your tactics to make more.

      I guess this could help find out, but like I said who cares what others make.
      Apparently it matters for every other career in america besides im
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    Why?

    Just because person A makes 100,000 a year (or whatever) it doesnt mean person B/C/D/etc will too.

    Stop worrying about what everyone else makes & focus on yourself. Much better profit to be made that way. lol
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    • Profile picture of the author chemo38
      Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post

      Why?

      Just because person A makes 100,000 a year (or whatever) it doesnt mean person B/C/D/etc will too.

      Stop worrying about what everyone else makes & focus on yourself. Much better profit to be made that way. lol

      Well stated....I could NOT agree more....Personal progress can only INCREASE when one stops caring what others make in a year.

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    • Profile picture of the author timtheman
      Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post

      Why?

      Just because person A makes 100,000 a year (or whatever) it doesnt mean person B/C/D/etc will too.

      Stop worrying about what everyone else makes & focus on yourself. Much better profit to be made that way. lol
      Thats not the point. If your going to pick a career, you'd want to get a good idea of what you were getting into and that includes the money. Trust me, I'm not new to this. I understand that their is no guaranteed success. But i also remember being a newbie and wondering if this would be worth my time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    Ok? I found out it was worth my time without stalking other people's income.. Which means other people can too.

    The best way to find out if something is worth your time is by making money for yourself from it.

    Not by reading about what other people make from it.

    But hey, if you wanna do it your way be my guest.
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    • Profile picture of the author timtheman
      Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post

      Ok? I found out it was worth my time without stalking other people's income.. Which means other people can too.

      The best way to find out if something is worth your time is by making money for yourself from it.

      Not by reading about what other people make from it.

      But hey, if you wanna do it your way be my guest.
      I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I just graduated high school a few years ago and went throw the whole picking a career and degree thing and I know that in the real world out side of im, a vast majority of people's decisions on those matters are effected by the expected income of the degree. Just with my friends alone, about 80% percent of them picked a degree because they knew how much money they could "potentially" make. My friends decided it was worth their time to be doctors and engineers etc. because it is clearly printed some where doctors make $_________ a year.

      Go talk to any college counsoler about picking a degree and i promise you at some point they will mention expected income for that particular career.

      Like I said, any other career in America, expected income is one of the top priorities to look at. I don't understand why im seem so afraid of it? They always through out that "focus on yourself" guru crap when no other career does that in the world. I understand that im is very unique, but it still runs on many of the same economic principles.

      I was recently looking at a popular smoothie franchise too see what it would take to open one and they strongly encourage you to go talk to other operators about things such as expected income...
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    lol.

    I dropped out at age 14 to go to work. Moved to the south when I turned 18, got a GED and worked in a sweatshop for 2 and a half years before ever finding out about internet marketing. That was over 4 years ago.

    To this day, I'm probably making more than the counselors you suggest I speak to. Do you think they do it for the money, or because they love doing it? I bet if you truly ask any of them and offered them the opportunity to quit being a counselor, they'd jump at it.

    So I dont think they should be giving me financial advice when I'm doing just fine on my own..

    Thats the difference.. this business allows you to do both. You make money by doing what you love. Not by reading about other people doing what THEY love.

    So... Huh? I'm sure I went off topic from what I originally had intended for this post, but I've been drinking a bit so forgive me. I know I can ramble at times.

    Here let me put it like this. I could POTENTIALLY buy the US and name it GuruLand, but its not gonna happen... lol or at least not yet, eh?
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    • Profile picture of the author timtheman
      Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post

      lol.

      I dropped out at age 14 to go to work. Moved to the south when I turned 18, got a GED and worked in a sweatshop for 2 and a half years before ever finding out about internet marketing. That was over 4 years ago.

      To this day, I'm probably making more than the counselors you suggest I speak to.

      So... Huh?
      Thats a very nice story, but what point are you trying to get across?
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    • Profile picture of the author timtheman
      Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post

      lol.

      I dropped out at age 14 to go to work. Moved to the south when I turned 18, got a GED and worked in a sweatshop for 2 and a half years before ever finding out about internet marketing. That was over 4 years ago.

      To this day, I'm probably making more than the counselors you suggest I speak to. Do you think they do it for the money, or because they love doing it? I bet if you truly ask any of them and offered them the opportunity to quit being a counselor, they'd jump at it.

      So I dont think they should be giving me financial advice when I'm doing just fine on my own..

      Thats the difference.. this business allows you to do both. You make money by doing what you love.

      So... Huh?

      Here let me put it like this. I could POTENTIALLY buy the US and name it GuruLand, but its not gonna happen... lol or at least not yet, eh?

      Well, my counselor is ex us air force and he loves his job. But i'm sure that their are some how don't like their job. and i wasn't tell you to take financial advice from them. My point was that for 90% of people going into a career, one of the main things they look at is expected income. The thing is, for other careers that's all printed out nice in pamphlets. Its not like that for IM.

      What I'm saying is theirs nothing wrong with nobies wanted to get any idea of what can be achieved financially through IM, because that's what most people do anyways.
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      • Profile picture of the author Anonymous Affiliate
        Originally Posted by timtheman View Post

        There is nothing wrong with newbies wanting to get an idea of what can be achieved financially through IM.
        There's no such as thing as "getting an idea", because there is no meaningful statistical average in this business.

        There's no meaningful statistical average of how much an affiliate can make: some make zero, some others 10 millions a year. Does that mean that the statistical average is 5 millions per year? of course not...

        It's like asking "How much on average does a guitar player make?"... some players can barely pay the rent, some others sell millions of records.

        Sorry man, I get the point you wanted to make with this thread, but unfortunately its logic is simply fubar'ed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    I edited, sorry if you F5'd the page too quickly.

    Anyway.. my opinion is noted here. Moving on.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    I know people who earn nothing and people who earn millions doing Internet Marketing.

    You should expect your earnings to be somewhere in that range.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    I know I said I was done here, but I like this guy ^ haha
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    • Profile picture of the author timtheman
      Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post

      I know I said I was done here, but I like this guy ^ haha
      Its more that you like that he supporting your opinion, when in fact he is supporting my point of view.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    lol ok man, whatever you say.

    I mean you've clearly spent more time on this forum than I have. I dont know what I was thinking to question you..
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  • Profile picture of the author HelpingYouBeAnExpert
    why do people worry about how much who makes?
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  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
    Won't work, they don't show there refund rate, there actual costs or anything else like that, and almost everyone is like that. They leave out the 100 articles they had written last month. Or the 1,000 dollars of traffic they bought the month before.

    It will just not be accurate.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Internet marketing can't be compared to a "job" - it's a business. So you can't compared "average" income a guidance counselor would list for various professions with knowing income for working online.

      What would be the answer if a student asked "how much can I earn if I start my own business"?
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        What would be the answer if a student asked "how much can I earn if I start my own business"?

        Somewhere between zero and millions...

        Of course, the guidance counselor would be obligated to inform you that 95% of all business owners fail in the first five years!!
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        • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          Of course, the guidance counselor would be obligated to inform you that 95% of all business owners fail in the first five years!!
          If you think about it, that's about a 50% failure rate each year.

          Year 1. 50% of 100% = 50%
          Year 2. 50% of 50% = 25%
          Year 3. 50% of 25% = 12.5%
          Year 4. 50% of 12.5% = 6.25%
          Year 5. 50% of 6.25% = 3.125%

          Man, there are just so many ways to point out that 50% failure across five attempts is 97% failure.

          My rule of thumb? It takes three to five years to succeed in a new business venture, and it's usually because of the sheer dumb luck that you happen to be in the right place at the right time when something NOBODY could have predicted happens... and you just happen to be the one in a position to do something about it.

          It's usually more about seeing the opportunity and shoving your business under it than it is about building your own opportunity.
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  • Profile picture of the author zapseo
    Wrong, Bill ...
    Make that BILLIONS ...
    Look at Steve Jobs ...
    not likely ... but ... possible.
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    Go through their garbage.
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  • Profile picture of the author davejug1
    Re: The OP - It's not as simple as that. Most successful internet marketers market in many many niches, mostly unrelated to IM. If I was to sell one of my sites, could you really gauge my net earnings?
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    • Profile picture of the author Global Warrior
      Did the airforce councelor tell you how much they make in the military? All he can talk about is years of service and rank.

      How much does a professional musician make?
      Lady Gaga makes more than the guy that Gigs in the bar 3 nights a week.

      How much does an airline pilot earn?
      The difference in pay between a 747 captian in one airline and a 747 captain in another airline can be as much as $85,000 a year.

      How much does a MacDonalds franchisee earn?
      Some have become millionaires, some have lost everything?

      So you can earn between sweet fanny Adam and retirement at 26 in IM.

      Hope that helps.

      In my case, it allowed me to buy a Lambrghini.

      How much do you have to be worth to buy one of those? I don't care.


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    • Profile picture of the author nadia712
      Originally Posted by davejug1 View Post

      Re: The OP - It's not as simple as that. Most successful internet marketers market in many many niches, mostly unrelated to IM. If I was to sell one of my sites, could you really gauge my net earnings?
      Bingo.

      Also, why are you spending your time digging up what others are earning? Knowing what other people are earning won't change what you're earning, which (should be) what matters to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Fullman
    Flippa is a bad metric, I'm afraid.

    Site-flippers make up a tiny (i.e. statistically insignificant) percentage of people running an online business.

    Good thought, though, and I'm sure useful info for many.

    Best,
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    Originally Posted by timtheman View Post

    I've seen countless of those post here on warrior, and generally people really don't answer. But here is a quick and easy way to get a general view: go to flippa.

    people trying to sell their sites usually give pretty detailed info about their monthly income, traffic, and all that jazz.

    So for all the newbies, voila.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      Somewhere between zero and millions...

      Of course, the guidance counselor would be obligated to inform you that 95% of all business owners fail in the first five years!!
      Sorry, Bill, but this statement is patently false.

      You are leaving out the significant percentage that leave at less than zero - the ones who fold their businesses and then work to repay the business debts they racked up on personal credit cards, second mortgages, etc.
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    Originally Posted by timtheman View Post

    I've seen countless of those post here on warrior, and generally people really don't answer. But here is a quick and easy way to get a general view: go to flippa.

    people trying to sell their sites usually give pretty detailed info about their monthly income, traffic, and all that jazz.

    So for all the newbies, voila.
    While I've never sold a site on Flippa (or anywhere else, for that matter), I don't regard as any kind of accurate measure of what "Internet marketers" make. From comments made by folks who do flip sites as a source of income, I believe the expected selling price is about 5-10 times earnings. In my mind, the reported income is a more accurate measure of what the seller hopes to make from the sale than the actual NET income of that marketer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jarrett
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    For you to even care what other people are making in IM is LIMITING your potential.

    Internet marketing is a completely different world than a job. A job has a limit. It has a ceiling. There's only so far you can move up the ladder.

    In IM. there is no ceiling. There is NO limit.

    If you find a strategy to create tiny niche sites that each make you $30/day.

    What's stopping you from outsourcing 50 of those sites? 500 of those sites? 1,000?

    Nothing is stopping you.. Besides YOU.

    Here's the problem with looking around at other people.. If you look around and see person X is making $10,000/mo and you FIXATE on that # and all you concentrate on is "I am going to make $10,000 month! It can be done! I am going to do it"..

    Sure. you're right. it can be done. And you may very well get it one day..

    BUT here's the problem. If you do that, You WILL NEVER GO PAST IT.

    So why set a limit on yourself?

    I've seen it over and over again.. I talk to people who tell me they've got a niche site that's making them $3,000/mo.

    And I'm like...

    "WHY?!"
    "What's YOUR problem?"

    And they look at me confused..

    If you've got a site that's making you $3,000/mo.. why the heck do you only have 1 site? Why don't you have 3? Why don't you have 10? You've got a formula. You know it works.. so what the heck has been stopping you from making more sites just like it?!

    And they are just shocked.. and can't figure out why they haven't done more..

    "WOW. I've never thought about it like that.."

    or they'll try coming up with a lame excuse.. but the TRUTH is that they've NEVER thought about it because they never LET themselves think about it.

    $3,000/mo was their comfort zone. they never went passed it.

    When they got started in IM.. they set their goal as replacing their job..

    And what do you know.. 9 times out of 10 when I really dig down deep with people like this, I find out that in his old job he made EXACTLY $3,000/mo

    So he got EXACTLY what he wanted.. and never even realized it.
    He had replaced his job. And that is WHY he never grew past that point. because he didn't let himself.

    He got exactly what he set his mind to. He never set the bar higher. He simply said he wanted to replace his job. He got it. His mind went to work on how to make it happen.. and as soon as he got there, his mind shut off.. His mind said "mission accomplished. job completed. type for me to go home. my work is done here"

    All this time, there was absolutely nothing stopping him from going farther... besides himself.

    And it's the same thing no matter how much money you make.. I just had a conversation last week with one of my more successful students who is making $30k/mo.. and he got caught up in the exact same trap.

    He realized that a while back he set a big goal of making $30k/mo.. and he never saw anything past it.. That was living large to him. That was the life. So as soon as he got there, he leveled off.

    so how does this apply to you?

    You know that their are internet marketers making $1,000/day. There's some guys making $10k/day and there's even some dudes pushing well over $50,000/day.. It's real. you know this.

    So what's stopping those guys from making DOUBLE that?

    Is it the internet? nope.

    It's them. They could double it if they set their minds to it.. and so could you..

    So why even care about how much they are making? Realize that the internet is LIMITLESS you can make as much money as you want to..Create your own reality. Create your own number and don't stop until you get it.

    Make it happen
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