Do the AMAZON GURUS have it all WRONG!

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Pretty much every Amazon training I have read used similar rules for product selection.

1)price over $100 and some say over $150

2)Minimum # of Reviews

3) 4 stars or above

4) No electronics

Now I am definitely not a Guru and I have not been an Amazon Associate for years and years but while i understand the concept behind the rules i don't think i can agree with them 100%.

Let's go over them one at a time.

Does the Price have to be over $100 or $150?

The rationale used for this is it takes the same amount of effort to sell a $100 item as it does to sell a $3 item but is that really true?

I know when i am looking to buy something for over $100 i do way more research and take longer to make the buying decision than i do for an over $100 item. I am going to go out on a limb here and say that is probably true for most people that do not have money to burn.

I have only been an Amazon Affiliate for a little over 6 months so I am going to admit that i don't know everything but the item that I sell the most of is $3.50. I know, I know the first thing you are going to say is the commissions suck on a $3.50 item. The main reason I built a site selling these low ticket items is to compliment my other sites by getting my sales count up to increase the commissions from 4% to 8% so i really don't care that the commissions suck on the $3 items because their sales means i double my commissions on the higher ticket items that i only sell a few of.

By the way the item that I actually make the most $$ per month on is a $60 item. Not the $100 items or the $3,000 items i have sites for and i put less work into that site than i did the high $$ items.

This tells me that teaching new associates only to make sites for items over $100 is a bit misleading. My advice would be to make a site or two selling low ticket items to get the sales numbers up so you can make the higher commissions on items you may only sell 1 or 2 of in a month.

Minimum Number of Reviews?

Now this is a tough one. There are a few reasons why gurus suggest a higher number of reviews.

1) The more reviews there are then it is more likely that there have been more sales which i agree with.

2) The more reviews the visitor can see, the more likely the reviews will convince them to buy.

3) The more reviews there are the more information you have to use to write your reviews if you do not own the item you are reviewing.


These are okay for items that have been around for a while but what about new items that have only been on the market for a month or two? Obviously there won't be many reviews for them so should you skip them? When you are going through the Movers and Shakers list should you ignore items that only have 3 reviews even though they are on the Top 100 Best Sellers list and moving up day by day?

Again I am no expert by any stretch of the imagination but in my opinion the Movers and Shakers and the Best Sellers lists are the best place to find items to promote and do not dismiss items that are selling just because they have less than 5, 10, (or whatever # you choose) reviews.

Average rating above 4 stars?

What about 3.9 stars if the item meets all of the other Golden Rules? Is it still worth your time or should you skip it because it is not 4 stars? Again don't close your mind off to items that are less than 4 stars. Look at the reviews and the replies to the reviews. Also take into account the number of searches the item has. There are plenty of items in the Best Sellers list that have less than 4 stars and they are in the Best Sellers list for a reason.

NOT in electronics category?

The reasoning behind this is the 4% commission cap on electronics and the assumption that the models on many electronics are changing every year. I don't agree with this at all.

1) First of all I am quite happy with 4% of an item that is selling for $3,000 even if i only sell one a month. That makes the income from that one site $120 a month.

2) There are plenty of items in the electronics category that have the same model number for several years. Even if the model number does change every year that just means your EMD sniper site will only be a premium for about 16 months. Just keep that in mind when you purchase your $10 EMD or go with an authority site instead.





PS. I made the title to grab attention. I mean no offense, by calling them gurus, to any Warrior Members that make Amazon WSO's.
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  • Profile picture of the author YasirYar
    I agree to a certain extent about product prices. I believe that if a product is worthy, one should not let a low price prevent them from marketing it. There are a number of people who have made a LOT of money selling products under $10.

    It can be much easier getting people to spend $10 as opposed to $100.

    I don't agree with some peoples reasoning on electronic items either - selling just a few of them can earn a decent amount of money. It's not that hard keeping up with new gadgets either

    Great post; although it has to be added that a lot of gurus are with you on a lot of these ideas. Some WSOs do promote your line of thinking
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    • Profile picture of the author M Thompson
      I like to have several low cost products as part of my promotion strategy, it's easier to get visitors to amazon where they drop their cookie, One led bulb led to a $80 commission on a watch
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      • Profile picture of the author sooner918
        How true! Amazon is a cash cow....once someone clicks on one of your links,chances are great that they will buy once they are there.Like throwing nets in the water.

        I am curious how many people go to Amazon through a link and end up buying something totally different instead? A LOT!
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        • Profile picture of the author wolfmanjack
          Originally Posted by sooner918 View Post

          How true! Amazon is a cash cow....once someone clicks on one of your links,chances are great that they will buy once they are there.Like throwing nets in the water.

          I am curious how many people go to Amazon through a link and end up buying something totally different instead? A LOT!
          I have that happen all the time. Someone bought a steam cleaner from one of my sites and i don't promote steam cleaners on any of them.

          I have heard of some really strange things being sold when the person is not promoting anything remotely related.
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      • Profile picture of the author wolfmanjack
        Originally Posted by M Thompson View Post

        I like to have several low cost products as part of my promotion strategy, it's easier to get visitors to amazon where they drop their cookie, One led bulb led to a $80 commission on a watch
        Good deal isn't it. I have not gone after items less than a dollar yet but i have been thinking about it for that reason plus the items per month sales for highr commissions on the higher ticket items.
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmanjack
      Originally Posted by YasirYar View Post

      I agree to a certain extent about product prices. I believe that if a product is worthy, one should not let a low price prevent them from marketing it. There are a number of people who have made a LOT of money selling products under $10.

      It can be much easier getting people to spend $10 as opposed to $100.

      I don't agree with some peoples reasoning on electronic items either - selling just a few of them can earn a decent amount of money. It's not that hard keeping up with new gadgets either

      Great post; although it has to be added that a lot of gurus are with you on a lot of these ideas. Some WSOs do promote your line of thinking
      Thanks for the comments Yasir.

      I am glad some are promoting selling lesser items. I wrote this post to help new associates get a better grasp on what to promote and not to be dissuaded by the Golden Rules of product selection that i have seen stated in most of the WSO's and Threads i have seen.
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  • Profile picture of the author sooner918
    Love the post Wolfman;lot's of thought in what you say! It takes a little practice and experience to determine what will be profitable niches for each of us.

    I agree with pretty much everything you say,and have actually pondered the question myself a few times.

    If it sells well,I want in front of that crowd;PERIOD!! And as far as not selling electronics,I am fortunate to have Jaime helping me as a mentor;and using an EXACT method he showed me about a month ago for electronics,I sold my first $1000. item on Amazon this last weekend-a TV!

    Glad I didn't take that other course..lol!

    Probably just under 3/4 of my sales are in the $50.-$75. dollar range,so I can't complain.
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  • Profile picture of the author solado
    I promote products in the electronics department for $20 - $60 and it nets me a nice profit. I guess its trading what you think your time is worth vs rewards, I write a lot of content for my affiliate site and get anywhere from $1 - $3 per sale which I think is OK considering how much I can shift.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sojourn
    Ah, my favorite topic - Amazon! How could I pass this up?

    wolfmanjack, all good discussion points. Being able to question information, test, and determine the best parts of that information to keep for yourself as you move forward is an important skill, in my opinion.

    Part of the discrepancy between what the "gurus" say and what you've experienced so far is the result of trying to boil a concept down to something easily understood by those with the least amount of experience. In many cases, it would take more material and an even higher risk of information overload to cover all the variables.

    I've outlined some counterpoints only to further the discussion and give another perspective.

    1)price over $100 and some say over $150
    Do items less than $150 sell well on Amazon? Sure they do. However, tell someone brand new to do a site on $20 items and you set them up for a potential melt down. When they make their first sale and see a commission of $0.80, they lose steam and don't feel appropriately rewarded for their work.

    Does it take exactly the same amount of work to sell a low dollar item as it does a higher dollar item? No, not exactly.

    Assuming similar levels of competition and search volume for a low dollar item and a high dollar item, setting up a site and building backlinks IS going to take about the same amount of work for either product, though.

    The difference would be in the amount of time and content necessary to generate a sale of the higher dollar item. A short landing page might be enough for a pair of cheap earphones but you'd need more content to outline the features of an elliptical machine. Let's say it's one hour to set up the earphones landing page vs. eight hours for a well researched product review on a $500 elliptical machine. However, creating the landing page for that particular item is a one-time event.

    You'd have to take a lot more math into account to truly say if working a low dollar item was the same as a high dollar item - search volume, conversion rate of lower dollar item to higher dollar item, potential daily sales volume, commission, potential to hit higher Amazon commission tiers based on volume, etc. That's too much for someone just entering the business model to try to understand. Far easier to give them a starting point that's going to generate commissions that encourage them to keep going.

    Originally Posted by wolfmanjack View Post

    This tells me that teaching new associates only to make sites for items over $100 is a bit misleading. My advice would be to make a site or two selling low ticket items to get the sales numbers up so you can make the higher commissions on items you may only sell 1 or 2 of in a month.
    I would disagree that it's misleading. Some of that can be attributed to that recommendation being taken out of context. Many of the Amazon "gurus" who talk about product selection of over $100 mention this in conjunction with the creation of Amazon product review sites because, in general, people search for reviews of more expensive products more often than low dollar items.

    The distinction is important because I don't know any Amazon expert who would say you should never do products with lower dollar amounts. The selection of products is often aligned with the overall Amazon business model - review site, ecommerce site, etc.

    TIP: Want to do low dollar items but leverage even more volume and higher commissions? Look for items that are bought in multiples - chair cushions, towels, outdoor chairs, napkin rings, table settings, etc. Each piece may not cost a lot but when they buy 6 or 8 of each thing, it really adds up!
    2)Minimum # of Reviews
    Originally Posted by wolfmanjack View Post

    These are okay for items that have been around for a while but what about new items that have only been on the market for a month or two?
    Another reason that the number of reviews is given as a guideline is that it shows the product's propensity for being purchased online. Not a lot of reviews? Then the product might be something people prefer to buy in person and your hard work may go to waste.

    The guideline is often meant to help someone new choose the product that has the best chances of success - not as a trick to keep them away from profitable items.

    New products can certainly be very profitable and there are Amazon experts who focus quite successfully on targeting new products. However, it would be wise to look at the number of reviews of previous models or comparable products to gauge the online purchasing trends.

    If you're building a site around a niche and this is a new entry to the niche, it will fit nicely with the other products that have a longer history of being accepted by consumers.

    If you're building a site around a single product that's new to the market, you would be running the risk that the product doesn't perform well. This is something an experienced marketer may be able to deal with but not the best move for someone brand new to affiliate marketing.

    As someone who has several sites that have products with lots of reviews AND products with low numbers of reviews and similar rankings on each, I know from experience that I get more traffic and sales of the products with more reviews. As a result, it would be misleading of me to advise someone to ignore those more profitable products.
    3) 4 stars or above
    Originally Posted by wolfmanjack View Post

    What about 3.9 stars if the item meets all of the other Golden Rules? Is it still worth your time or should you skip it because it is not 4 stars? Again don't close your mind off to items that are less than 4 stars. Look at the reviews and the replies to the reviews. Also take into account the number of searches the item has. There are plenty of items in the Best Sellers list that have less than 4 stars and they are in the Best Sellers list for a reason.
    There are a number of ways to use those lower star items and I agree absolutely with your suggestions. I do think they should be incorporated in a site but, then, I build sites that attempt to cover the niche from top to bottom.

    Those lower star items can bring in traffic that you can convert to a better performer. Or, in some cases, the star rating is unwarranted and - if you really know your niche - you can explain away the lower rating.

    However, some strategies have you cover only the top performers and move to a new niche. In my experience, the the lower star items don't bring in as many sales as the higher star items so those who suggest sites that cover a fewer number of items would - and should - suggest covering the higher star items only - in order to ensure the highest returns (on average) for their customers.
    4) No electronics
    Originally Posted by wolfmanjack View Post

    The reasoning behind this is the 4% commission cap on electronics and the assumption that the models on many electronics are changing every year. I don't agree with this at all.
    The other reason - and the more important, in my opinion - is that electronics niches tend (not across the board, but on average) to be highly saturated and very competitive. I can't tell you how many people I've personally mentored who jumped into an electronics niche and couldn't make a dent on the first page. They fully understand that 4% of $1000 is great money. It's what draws them to the niche like moths to a flame. Then they don't make any money and can't figure out why, get frustrated, and think that affiliate marketing is a sham.

    Advising against electronics is another example of putting someone without extensive experience into the best possible position for success.
    Your points might suggest that the information given by the Amazon "gurus" is wrong and doesn't work when, in fact, those guidelines do work AND other methods work, too.

    The real question is whether or not a "guru's" strategy outperforms one where the rules are ignored. That comes from experience and testing - which you hope the "guru" has folded into the design of their model.

    In the end, one has to decide for themselves if any particular "guru's" strategy will get them to the place they want to be faster than trying something else.
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    • Profile picture of the author LilBlackDress
      Erica makes excellent points as usual and if I may chime in with a couple more.....

      You said that most Amazon Gurus will tell you to have multiple reviews. But not always the case. Paula and Wanda of Amazonian Profit Plan who make mega thousands with their sites, and are two of the biggest Amazon gurus, will clearly tell you that you can make bank with JUST ONE PAGE.

      As for electronics, in my opinion, the 4% cap is NOT the issue as much as the every changing, electronics market. For a newbie and even for seasoned pros, to write reviews on an electronic product and get it to the top of Google would likely take time. And by the time it rises to the top, there is a new shiny electronic out there taking it's place and the other one is obsolete! If I am going to spend time promoting something I want it to be around for a while.
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      • Profile picture of the author bitriot
        Many adsense affiliates have sites that are oriented towards selling low cost items that people buy in multiples in order to drive their commission rates up. I was thinking about making a site like that but since I am in Illinois, I have moved to skimlinks and start with a base 8% commission (still works out to 6.25 or so after they take their cut).
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Jack, both you and Erica have some good points. Overall, my position is a lot closer to Erica's, though.

          What's the one thing new folks always, always, always ask for? Simple, step-by-step, paint-by-numbers blueprints. It doesn't matter whether it's Amazon, or keyword research, or niche/product selection or anything else. They want RULES, not guidelines.

          So you get courses that try to accommodate that. You get the product selection rules like the ones you laid out in the OP. You get SEO tools/courses that say 'look for X searches per month and Y competition when searched in quotes' and all the other rules that get people started.

          Some will follow the rules and be content. Some will sorta follow the rules, fail, and blame it on the rules. Others, like you, will go beyond the rules to explore the gray areas that require judgment, thought and experience.
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          • Profile picture of the author Ben Armstrong
            Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

            Jack, both you and Erica have some good points. Overall, my position is a lot closer to Erica's, though.

            What's the one thing new folks always, always, always ask for? Simple, step-by-step, paint-by-numbers blueprints. It doesn't matter whether it's Amazon, or keyword research, or niche/product selection or anything else. They want RULES, not guidelines.

            So you get courses that try to accommodate that. You get the product selection rules like the ones you laid out in the OP. You get SEO tools/courses that say 'look for X searches per month and Y competition when searched in quotes' and all the other rules that get people started.

            Some will follow the rules and be content. Some will sorta follow the rules, fail, and blame it on the rules. Others, like you, will go beyond the rules to explore the gray areas that require judgment, thought and experience.
            This is pretty much what I was going to say. As a newbie you really need some sort of rules to get you started. With experience and some experimentation you learn which ones can be bent and by how much, but in the beginning there has to be a cutoff point somewhere.

            Last month I made over $400 off a product that only had 3 reviews on Amazon so it definitely pays to change things up a little once you're confident with the process.
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmanjack
    Thanks for stopping by Erica. I figured you would since the thread was about Amazon. I am on your list and appreciate that you only send us emails when you have something of value to share.

    You have made some points (and explained them extremely well) that i did not think of.

    However I do have to disagree with the statement that making an $0.80 commission would discourage people. The internet is flooded with statements that making your first $1 online is the hardest and i have to tell you that i was extremely elated when I made my first $1.

    As a matter of fact I started out following the "Rules" and did not make any sales but when i added sites that had lower cost items (in the $50 - $60 range) i started making sales. These sales made my first $1 online and that encouraged me to keep going with more sites and to try to improve the sites i have. If it was not for these lower priced sales I probably would have quit.

    While I agree that many of the "gurus" that promote the $100 and over price tag items are advocating authority sites I have to add that pretty much every "guru" that i have read that promotes sniper sites uses the $100 minimum as a Rule also.

    Thanks for your comment John.

    In your experience what is the % of people that want hard fast rules as opposed to people that want guidelines?

    I guess I am the type of person that would rather have guidelines instead of rules but i have to admit that i do know a few people that can not think for themselves. Having the guidelines explained the way that Erica explained them in her post would have been a great benefit to me when i was first starting out and I think that explaining it this way instead of giving rules would be a benefit to most of the people wanting to learn to make money using Amazon.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sojourn
      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      What's the one thing new folks always, always, always ask for? Simple, step-by-step, paint-by-numbers blueprints. It doesn't matter whether it's Amazon, or keyword research, or niche/product selection or anything else. They want RULES, not guidelines.
      John - Very well put. (You always have something very wise to share and so much more succinctly put, too!)

      I rather lumped "rules" and "guidelines" in together but there is a difference. Clear cut instructions and rules about what to pick and do are the foundation of many popular guides for those just getting started.

      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      Some will follow the rules and be content. Some will sorta follow the rules, fail, and blame it on the rules. Others, like you, will go beyond the rules to explore the gray areas that require judgment, thought and experience.
      How true. Wolfmanjack, you do certainly fall in the category of those who explore beyond the rules - and well you should. Like a true explorer, that's where you get to call the shots and design your own strategies. Not everyone processes information the same way, though, which is why the rules come in so handy for so many.

      Originally Posted by wolfmanjack View Post

      Thanks for stopping by Erica. I figured you would since the thread was about Amazon. I am on your list and appreciate that you only send us emails when you have something of value to share.
      Thank you both for being on my list and for the compliment!

      Originally Posted by wolfmanjack View Post

      However I do have to disagree with the statement that making an $0.80 commission would discourage people. The internet is flooded with statements that making your first $1 online is the hardest and i have to tell you that i was extremely elated when I made my first $1.
      You're very right - I'll give you that one. Hadn't thought that far back but my first money online was a small Amazon sale that netted me something like $0.16 and I was the happiest girl in the world. Once I knew it could be done, nothing could stand in my way.

      Originally Posted by wolfmanjack View Post

      As a matter of fact I started out following the "Rules" and did not make any sales but when i added sites that had lower cost items (in the $50 - $60 range) i started making sales. These sales made my first $1 online and that encouraged me to keep going with more sites and to try to improve the sites i have. If it was not for these lower priced sales I probably would have quit.
      Certainly glad you didn't quit and I do clearly remember that feeling of being on the brink of figuring this stuff out, so to speak, but not having much success. Painful. You do learn some really good lessons during that phase of the process, though. (Probably the root of this post, in fact!)

      Originally Posted by wolfmanjack View Post

      Having the guidelines explained the way that Erica explained them in her post would have been a great benefit to me when i was first starting out and I think that explaining it this way instead of giving rules would be a benefit to most of the people wanting to learn to make money using Amazon.
      Years ago, I took one of those behavior/personality tests. It was a popular model and I ended up taking it 3 or 4 times throughout my previous career. The test always came out the same. The other day, I was reading the description of that type again and one piece jumped out at me that I hadn't fully understood before but it most certainly applies.

      Taking things apart and putting them back together, understanding all the pieces of a puzzle, and dissecting processes/root cause/results, etc are a part of my nature. It's how I learn and explore new things but it's not how my husband learns. It's not how one of my siblings learns. It's not how one of my children learn.

      The point of taking those tests throughout my career was always to help coworkers understand each other better. You've completely brought that message back to me. We all learn differently and need different depths of information.

      (Totally enjoyed this discussion, by the way. Thanks!)
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  • Profile picture of the author Andylinks
    I haven't started promoting Amazon products yet but I intend to have lower price items as well as the higher priced ones as part of my mix.
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  • Profile picture of the author ratracegrad
    One of my bestselling websites sells covers for cell phones and the platic cover for front. Those hello kitty and other themed covers sell like crazy. Yet they cost $5 bucks or less. You can usually count on selling about 100 items a month but you make pennies on commission from this website but it puts you in the higher commission bracket for your websites that sell $300 products but may only sell 5-10 per month.

    I agree with Erica about using lower cost items that people buy in bulk. Diapers (prennial bulk buyers), towels, wash clothes, napkins etc. Nobody buys just 1 towel they buy like 6.

    I avoid electronics because the market changes so fast and there is so much competition. Why waste your time trying to rank for a computer that will be obsolete 6 months from now. Sell them towels instead because they never go obsolete.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kierkegaard
    I've also heard people advise against promoting books but I regularly make money from books on Amazon.
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmanjack
    Glad you are enjoying the conversation Erica. I am learning a lot from all of the input from every one and i hope others are learning something new also.
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  • Profile picture of the author SoEasyMoney
    My experience has been that even though shoppers find your website for the $5.00 item and hop over to Amazon and put it in their cart, they tend to buy at least $50 worth of "stuff" to get the free shipping.
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmanjack
      Originally Posted by SoEasyMoney View Post

      My experience has been that even though shoppers find your website for the $5.00 item and hop over to Amazon and put it in their cart, they tend to buy at least $50 worth of "stuff" to get the free shipping.
      Good point. Sometimes the shipping costs more than the item and once they are on Amazon they figure what the heck and buy more.
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    • Profile picture of the author agc
      Originally Posted by SoEasyMoney View Post

      My experience has been that even though shoppers find your website for the $5.00 item and hop over to Amazon and put it in their cart, they tend to buy at least $50 worth of "stuff" to get the free shipping.
      This. Pretty. Much. Sums. It. Up.

      I like to say: There is no item on Amazon that's less than $25, no matter what the price is.
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      • Profile picture of the author wolfmanjack
        Originally Posted by agc View Post

        This. Pretty. Much. Sums. It. Up.

        I like to say: There is no item on Amazon that's less than $25, no matter what the price is.
        This is a very interesting concept. How would we track that? I have sold items over $100 from my Site that sells $3 items but my sales do not equal $25 per click through to Amazon.
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        • Profile picture of the author agc
          Originally Posted by wolfmanjack View Post

          This is a very interesting concept. How would we track that? I have sold items over $100 from my Site that sells $3 items but my sales do not equal $25 per click through to Amazon.
          I grew up listening to Wolfman Jack on AM Radio in Louisville, Ky. ha.

          Ok, here's a thought... I often toss things in my Amazon cart and let em sit until I'm ready to make an order. Eventually.

          So I come across your site for $3 Daffy Duck Hairpins and I click through... now when I check out, I pay for 5 or 6 other things I've accumulated in my cart.

          Did your cookie just take ownership of my entire cart because your $3 hairpins finally convinced me to place an order rather than window shopping?

          I dunno how it works, but that seems plausible. And it also seems reasonable as you got the buyer to take action.

          And I imagine lots of people have kinda learned to use the Amazon "never expiring cart" as a kind of "I'm going to buy this eventually" list.

          I especially tend do it with books.
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          • Profile picture of the author Gaz Cooper
            Originally Posted by agc View Post


            So I come across your site for $3 Daffy Duck Hairpins and I click through... now when I check out, I pay for 5 or 6 other things I've accumulated in my cart.

            Did your cookie just take ownership of my entire cart because your $3 hairpins finally convinced me to place an order rather than window shopping?

            And I imagine lots of people have kinda learned to use the Amazon "never expiring cart" as a kind of "I'm going to buy this eventually" list.

            .
            No he would only get the commission on the product you added to your cart with his affiliate link any other products in the cart will have other Affiliate links and those people will be paid on those.

            Also you mention the Amazon never expiring cart and unless something has recently changed there is no such thing.

            When you place a product in your cart it is a 90 day cookie, after 90 days the cookie expires and no commission will be made on that product.

            Kickin it on Amazon

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  • Profile picture of the author yourreviewer
    The key here is to do more of what is working for YOU than what you read or say.

    There are so many reasons why higher priced products may work for others while it may not work for you like your niche, demographics of your visitors, the website layout, quality of content etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmanjack
      Originally Posted by yourreviewer View Post

      The key here is to do more of what is working for YOU than what you read or say.

      There are so many reasons why higher priced products may work for others while it may not work for you like your niche, demographics of your visitors, the website layout, quality of content etc.
      True but that only applies after you have been doing it long enough to figure out what works for you. If every one promotes the so called "Golden Rules" instead of guidelines with explanations like Erica did in this thread then they may not try something new and give up before they figure out what works for them.
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  • Profile picture of the author bmcgoff
    It's also good (like Erica touched on) to incorporate as much of the niche as possible into your site. So, for example, if your site promotes tents for camping, after you are getting some traffic and sales, create a new section called "tent accessories" where you review stakes, bags, poles, sleeping bags, mats, etc.

    This way you have a site that promotes both big ticket and lower priced items.

    Great thread!


    -Brock
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmanjack
      Originally Posted by bmcgoff View Post

      It's also good (like Erica touched on) to incorporate as much of the niche as possible into your site. So, for example, if your site promotes tents for camping, after you are getting some traffic and sales, create a new section called "tent accessories" where you review stakes, bags, poles, sleeping bags, mats, etc.

      This way you have a site that promotes both big ticket and lower priced items.

      Great thread!


      -Brock
      Very true. Putting the same "items you might also like" that Amazon has at the bottom of their page is basically the same thing.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sojourn
        Originally Posted by Dianzo View Post

        Great idea,i've been planning to make my electronic stuff niche, but getting some traffic is hard however, especially for electronic stuff which are has high competition
        When you're in a competitive niche, lots of very targeted, long-tail posts can help fill the gap while you're working your site towards the top. My favorite tool lately for finding these keywords is: Keyword suggestion tool — Google suggest scraper — Ãœbersuggest (free - yay!)

        For the tent example earlier, you could type in things like "which tent", "best tent for", and "tent that". I scan the list looking for keywords that seem buyer-oriented and write a post about the keyword.

        I don't duplicate keywords so if two terms mean the same thing, I just do one post and try to touch on both terms. I also get very detailed in the post. If the phrase was "best tent for camping on the beach", then the post would explain exactly which tent is best for this and why (which means you have to do some homework).

        I also don't check search volume for those keywords. If it makes sense that the topic would be of interest to the niche, then I write about it.
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by Sojourn View Post

          When you're in a competitive niche, lots of very targeted, long-tail posts can help fill the gap while you're working your site towards the top. My favorite tool lately for finding these keywords is: Keyword suggestion tool — Google suggest scraper — Ãœbersuggest (free - yay!)
          Thanks for the pointer. Hadn't seen this one yet...

          Originally Posted by Sojourn View Post

          I also don't check search volume for those keywords. If it makes sense that the topic would be of interest to the niche, then I write about it.
          Erica, I can hear a lot of affiliates' brains exploding already...
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          • Profile picture of the author Sojourn
            Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

            Erica, I can hear a lot of affiliates' brains exploding already...
            LOL! Probably....

            I'm all for keyword research but sometimes we become a slave to the numbers. "Oh, no, I can't target that keyword - it has only 200 exact searches a month!"

            When, in reality, the keyword volume is just a starting point. I use this example all the time - I have a Squidoo lens I built on a long-tail keyword with only 140 exact searches a month. Even the shortest keyword inside the long-tail only gets 2900 exact searches month.

            For over a year, the lens has averaged 3000-4000 visitors a WEEK. It's just a single page of information and not overly long, either. Why is this possible? Because targeted content about a topic SHOULD naturally earn traffic for all kinds of related keywords you wouldn't have found in your research.

            That lens (and others like it) constantly remind me not to ignore the small stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author protectyoursales
    I would also add that cheap items can and will sell like crazy if you are selling to hobbyists. This is also a great way to make use of a mailing list, because hobbyists are much more likely to constantly be seeking new content about their hobby. I don't want to give away any of my niches, but if you think about it I'm sure you can come up with two or three hobbies that you can remember shelling out money for pretty regularly. At least I can.

    Another thing I'll throw in is that, although I don't promote in the electronics niche, I do promote in other $X,XXX niches and do very well for myself there. Don't automatically assume that price correlates to competition, because it absolutely does NOT! Even though it's 2012, I can assure you there are still untapped gold mines out there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Eyetrap
    I break all those rules and make $3,000 + each month from amazon alone. *December I hit $5,500.

    My motto = get them to amazon and you'll make money.

    Wanna know how I determine to promote a product on amazon?

    If I feel like I can rank for the keywords organically in google then I'll build the page or build a new site for that keyword.


    I don't give a rip what the price is, sure 4 stars on up are great and lots of reviews...however sometime the product is new and that data is not there.

    Probably 40% of what I make comes from other random products people buy from Amazon
    Get them to amazon and you'll make money.
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    • Profile picture of the author SoEasyMoney
      Just curious, if you don't mind, do you build out full sites on wordpress, use blogger, squidoos, etc? Do you put up review sites or does it just depend on the product?

      Originally Posted by Eyetrap View Post

      I break all those rules and make $3,000 + each month from amazon alone. *December I hit $5,500.

      My motto = get them to amazon and you'll make money.

      Wanna know how I determine to promote a product on amazon?

      If I feel like I can rank for the keywords organically in google then I'll build the page or build a new site for that keyword.


      I don't give a rip what the price is, sure 4 stars on up are great and lots of reviews...however sometime the product is new and that data is not there.

      Probably 40% of what I make comes from other random products people buy from Amazon
      Get them to amazon and you'll make money.
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      • Profile picture of the author Eyetrap
        ONLY wordpress.

        I do small reviews and newsy posts about industry in that niche.

        Example, think about a site about new car news and the car industry...I'll have news posts and then I'll have posts for car products (maybe bmw floormats, headlights) pointing to amazon.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Franklin
      Originally Posted by Eyetrap View Post

      I break all those rules and make $3,000 + each month from amazon alone. *December I hit $5,500.

      My motto = get them to amazon and you'll make money.

      Wanna know how I determine to promote a product on amazon?

      If I feel like I can rank for the keywords organically in google then I'll build the page or build a new site for that keyword.


      I don't give a rip what the price is, sure 4 stars on up are great and lots of reviews...however sometime the product is new and that data is not there.

      Probably 40% of what I make comes from other random products people buy from Amazon
      Get them to amazon and you'll make money.
      Hey, I trademarked that motto!

      Seriously though, you're approach to site building is a good approach. People think that all of the EMD's are snatched up. The reality is that every day, good product niche EMD's are expiring. For whatever reason, some good ones are no longer held onto. So you have a situation that if you act fast, you can profit very well!
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      • Profile picture of the author wolfmanjack
        Originally Posted by Michael Franklin View Post

        Hey, I trademarked that motto!

        Seriously though, you're approach to site building is a good approach. People think that all of the EMD's are snatched up. The reality is that every day, good product niche EMD's are expiring. For whatever reason, some good ones are no longer held onto. So you have a situation that if you act fast, you can profit very well!
        a 98% EMD is almost as good and easy to get. No need to look for expiring domains unless you are looking for aged domains or domains that already have back links.
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  • Profile picture of the author WishfulDoing
    This thread is making me wish I didn't live in a Nexus state. Great strategies to get to that 8%.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashtree
    You get paid by volume in Amazon, more volume higher percentage you get. So the smart thing to do is sell a mix of cheap items to get volume count up, and sell high priced items to get more $$. So it's a mix of both.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    A far as the cost of the items are concerned, it is easy to sell a $10K medical machine on Amazon if you are getting your sales message in front of the right audience. The same with any other high ticket item.

    Focus on creating high quality content(Or outsource it) and then syndicate that content to relevant sources where your target demographic is likely to view it.

    -Chris
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmanjack
      Originally Posted by Chris Worner View Post

      A far as the cost of the items are concerned, it is easy to sell a $10K medical machine on Amazon if you are getting your sales message in front of the right audience. The same with any other high ticket item.

      Focus on creating high quality content(Or outsource it) and then syndicate that content to relevant sources where your target demographic is likely to view it.

      -Chris
      Yes it would be fair to say that it is easy to sell any item if you have the right content and get it in front of the right eyeballs.

      It would also be fair to say that neither of these is a simple as it sounds.
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  • Profile picture of the author Craig McPherson
    You are one lucky dude Wolfy.

    You start a thread about a very relevant topic and it attracts people like Erica and John. Throw in all the other fantastic responses here and it makes one of the most in depth, round table discussions which makes this forum what it is.

    Good luck mate

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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmanjack
      Originally Posted by Craig McPherson View Post

      You are one lucky dude Wolfy.

      You start a thread about a very relevant topic and it attracts people like Erica and John. Throw in all the other fantastic responses here and it makes one of the most in depth, round table discussions which makes this forum what it is.

      Good luck mate

      Craig
      Thanks Craig,

      I think there are a lot of Amazon Associates on the Warrior Forum that could benefit from a good discussion of Amazon Tactics.

      We are getting some really good information from relatively famous Amazon Associates but also a good deal of great information from unknowns also.

      I would like to thank everyone that participates.
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  • Profile picture of the author maclennan
    Intersting stuff!! and goes against everything we have been taught this far, but Wolfman Jack, does make a strong and valid case for his side of the argument.. will take this on board...
    THANKS!
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    • Profile picture of the author Gaz Cooper
      Erica as always hits the nail on the head, as does John McCabe, and that is exactly why many of us use the basic guidelines, however they are just that, guidelines designed to take the beginner through the easiest path towards success, but as they learn more they will quickly see that subsequently we all advise to add higher and lower priced items for a more balanced portfolio.

      It is important especially with a beginner not to over confuse the issue, because it is already a massive amount of information to take in, so initially you want to make things as simple as possible, providing them with a step by step blueprint, until they have the basics down pat, once they have a basic understanding of the process, they can move on to other variables of which there are many.

      I think the basic Amazon guidelines is a good one, but will always agree, nothing is set in stone, and you should always be testing and looking for new things that work.

      As for Electronics I love them, and have a lot of success with them, and the only reason its normally advised against, is its a tough market for a newbie to crack, and its normally better to get their feet wet with a less competitive niche, before delving into Electronics which is competitive for a reason, and that is there is a ton of money in them.

      Kickin it on Amazon

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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by wolfmanjack View Post

        This is a very interesting concept. How would we track that? I have sold items over $100 from my Site that sells $3 items but my sales do not equal $25 per click through to Amazon.
        Amazon hit on the mother lode of add-on sales when they were still basically selling books, CDs and DVDs. Give people a choice between buying a $15 book and paying $4 shipping, and buying a $15 book, a $10 CD and getting free shipping, a lot of people will throw the extra item in their shopping cart.

        So a $15 sale turns into a $25+ sale to 'save' $4 on shipping.

        It's one of the explanations for why you might offer a $3 item and find people adding unrelated items to their orders.

        Combine this with the sliding commission scale, and it takes away a lot of the venom from the "measly 4%" people whine about.
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        • Profile picture of the author wolfmanjack
          Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

          Amazon hit on the mother lode of add-on sales when they were still basically selling books, CDs and DVDs. Give people a choice between buying a $15 book and paying $4 shipping, and buying a $15 book, a $10 CD and getting free shipping, a lot of people will throw the extra item in their shopping cart.

          So a $15 sale turns into a $25+ sale to 'save' $4 on shipping.

          It's one of the explanations for why you might offer a $3 item and find people adding unrelated items to their orders.

          Combine this with the sliding commission scale, and it takes away a lot of the venom from the "measly 4%" people whine about.
          Thanks for this explanation John. I do have days that i have only sold $3 items that the person must have paid shipping on but you are right. Most of the time people do buy extra items to get the free shipping.

          I see people whine about the $25 commissions on computer products but at 8% the $25 would be the same as a sale of a $312 item when they are perfectly happy with promoting a $100 item. Granted computers in general are a high competition item but there are some that have pretty low competition.
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  • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
    I think I said this before, but in my experience Amazon sites are not worth the effort. I made a case study where I documented my Amazon journey and I so wish I made Clickbank sites.

    Check out the post here:

    jacksonsmarketingtraining.com/blog » Amazon Sites Not Nearly As Awesome As I Thought…

    There are 3 parts to it, and it's pretty comprehensive.
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmanjack
      Originally Posted by jacksonlin View Post

      I think I said this before, but in my experience Amazon sites are not worth the effort. I made a case study where I documented my Amazon journey and I so wish I made Clickbank sites.

      Check out the post here:

      jacksonsmarketingtraining.com/blog » Amazon Sites Not Nearly As Awesome As I Thought...

      There are 3 parts to it, and it's pretty comprehensive.
      Some Amazon Affiliates are making several thousand dollars a month so i can't agree with you that they are a waste of time. I will agree that it is not a good idea to put all of your eggs in one basket but first you have to have some eggs and a basket to put them in. Amazon is a good place to get started in Internet marketing. I made my first dollars in less than 2 months after i started promoting Amazon sites and my sales have been climbing ever since. While I am not to the level that Erica, John and some of the others are i do have hope that some day i will be there. Then i can branch off to other forms of internet marketing.
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        • Profile picture of the author SoEasyMoney
          Originally Posted by myob View Post

          What is seldom mentioned is that some really big bucks can be made by developing lists of regular customers. Promoting products directly to prospects is particularly effective in specialized big ticket equipment. In addition, there really is a fortune to be made in following up with customers and selling supplies for their purchases.

          I could be wrong but I thought I read where email marketing an Amazon product is against their TOS? Again, maybe I'm wrong.

          I've always heard that the money is in the list. But I thought that to build a list you needed to usually offer a prospective "customer" something to sign up to your list. Therein lies my problem. What do you offer someone to sign up to your list if your site targets, for instance, cellphone covers or even Legos? That's my problem. I can't think of anything to enduce someone to sign up.
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          • Profile picture of the author myob
            Originally Posted by SoEasyMoney View Post

            I could be wrong but I thought I read where email marketing an Amazon product is against their TOS?
            You are wrong about that. There is no such restriction regarding marketing methods. It against their TOS to use your affiliate link in any off-site promotions including email. Many affiliates use a wide variety of not only online marketing techniques, but also offline advertising such as magazine ads, radio, TV, direct mail, telemarketing, and some even are using direct sales.

            Originally Posted by SoEasyMoney View Post

            I've always heard that the money is in the list. But I thought that to build a list you needed to usually offer a prospective "customer" something to sign up to your list. Therein lies my problem. What do you offer someone to sign up to your list if your site targets, for instance, cellphone covers or even Legos? That's my problem. I can't think of anything to enduce someone to sign up.
            You are right about that. Building lists is a whole discussion in itself, and there is a lot of information available here in the forum. The search function is your friend. But generally, it's considered standard practice to build lists of prospects based on niches or interests. Then promote relevant products regularly to those lists.
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  • Profile picture of the author Takuyar
    Wolfman ... thanks for starting this thread. I am looking at starting out with Amazon and this thread has given me a lot of information!
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  • Profile picture of the author steven Clayden
    just read your blog, did your amazon sites get slapped after the panda update?
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmanjack
    I had a plugin written that would email people when the price dropped on a product if they signed up for the service and Amazon told me that i could not send the customer to amazon from an email. They said my email would have to send them to my site where they would have to click a link on my site to Amazon.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by wolfmanjack View Post

      I had a plugin written that would email people when the price dropped on a product if they signed up for the service and Amazon told me that i could not send the customer to amazon from an email. They said my email would have to send them to my site where they would have to click a link on my site to Amazon.
      As far as I know, it has always been against Amazon's TOS to send the customer directly to Amazon from an email. All products I sell are through online/offline promotions, including email, to my presell pages which have affiliate links to Amazon's respective product pages.
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  • Profile picture of the author aluminum
    You bring up a very good point, about how promoting cheap products can be just as successful and many times more successful than promoting $100 + products.

    Once someone is on amazon, and clicked your link then they might buy much more stuff than before which will result in more money. And it is easier to convert a buyer into buying a $10 product as apposed to a $200 product.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    I think there's too much focus on the price of the product, when in reality you'd have an easier time selling, if you focused your efforts on finding customers that are already looking for something - and then providing it for them.

    I'm giving away one of my secrets, because I'm in the wrong state now to be an affiliate. But I used to put together little repair tutorials. I'd search the forums for the most popular problem products, from refrigerators and dishwashers to xbox 360s and garage-door openers. Then every part and tool I used in the tutorial - I put a link back to amazon where they could buy it. Many times I would make up a little repair ebook, and then people would even give me their email address to get it. - Easy Money.
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmanjack
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      I think there's too much focus on the price of the product, when in reality you'd have an easier time selling, if you focused your efforts on finding customers that are already looking for something - and then providing it for them.

      I'm giving away one of my secrets, because I'm in the wrong state now to be an affiliate. But I used to put together little repair tutorials. I'd search the forums for the most popular problem products, from refrigerators and dishwashers to xbox 360s and garage-door openers. Then every part and tool I used in the tutorial - I put a link back to amazon where they could buy it. Many times I would make up a little repair ebook, and then people would even give me their email address to get it. - Easy Money.
      Great tip. I may have to use it.
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  • Profile picture of the author agc
    I have another question... do I now have to use the AWS API to generate an expiring signed link for every clickable? Or can I still toss out an old fashioned affiliate link and will it still work without expiring?
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  • Profile picture of the author anwar001
    You have laid down some awesome and useful points for newbie amazon marketers. Most of the so called Gurus have listed those conditions to make attractive wso's which would get raving reviews.
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmanjack
    Thanks for answering Gaz,

    I think he meant that the items that he placed in his cart never get removed not that the affiliate link never expires.

    Thanks Anwar. Hopefully we can get more people asking questions to keep the thread going so we can all learn as much as possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author revstan
    The ''no-electronics'' rule I don't get either. As long as it sells and makes money, you sell it. Those ''guru's'' probably want to keep the profitable electronics-market to themselves.

    Simple Stan
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    • Profile picture of the author Gaz Cooper
      Originally Posted by revstan View Post

      The ''no-electronics'' rule I don't get either. As long as it sells and makes money, you sell it. Those ''guru's'' probably want to keep the profitable electronics-market to themselves.

      Simple Stan
      Hey Simple Stan

      The only reason for that guideline is because Electronics are very competitive and the reason for that is its a lucrative market but seriously competitive.

      The guideline is there because the chances for success for a newbie are a lot higher when starting out, if you focus on a less competitive market than Electronics.

      I personally love Electronics and it is very lucrative and once you have the groundwork down pat, by all means go for it but if just starting out you might want to avoid swimming with the sharks until you can at least hold your own.

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    • Profile picture of the author Ben Armstrong
      Originally Posted by revstan View Post

      The ''no-electronics'' rule I don't get either. As long as it sells and makes money, you sell it. Those ''guru's'' probably want to keep the profitable electronics-market to themselves.

      Simple Stan
      There's a few reasons for it actually...

      1. As already pointed out... Electronics are ultra competitive to rank for.
      2. Electronic products in general have a shorter shelf life than kitchen appliances etc
      3. The 4% Commission rate
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmanjack
    It has been explained that the Rules are guidelines used to teach new amazon marketers and promotion tools.

    Just remember they are guidelines and read the posts that explains why the guidelines are there.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Here's another sneaky little tidbit regarding electronics. Sometimes the exact same item will be listed in multiple categories. For example, a car stereo might be listed in Electronics under Audio, or it might be listed under Automotive. I haven't checked recently, but last time I looked, an audio system that would be capped under Electronics paid full commission percentage under Automotive.

      Anyone promoting electronics that might fit in other categories might want to verify if that's still true...
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      • Profile picture of the author wolfmanjack
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        Here's another sneaky little tidbit regarding electronics. Sometimes the exact same item will be listed in multiple categories. For example, a car stereo might be listed in Electronics under Audio, or it might be listed under Automotive. I haven't checked recently, but last time I looked, an audio system that would be capped under Electronics paid full commission percentage under Automotive.

        Anyone promoting electronics that might fit in other categories might want to verify if that's still true...
        Yes john you are correct. If the item appears under a different category you get the higher commission. At least that is how it has worked for me so far.
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  • Profile picture of the author bmcgoff
    Wow, this is a great thread! I'm in the process of adding lower priced items to my existing sites, rather than making new sites to promote cheap items. It's easy to get to 6/.5% but that 7% is tough!
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  • Profile picture of the author Danny Cutts
    Like many have said it completely depends on your niche and the market.

    I sell a lot of amazon products that dont fall into the over $100 price range.

    You have to do what works for you and your niche :-)

    There is no right or wrong if it brings money into your bank account :-)

    Good Luck

    Danny
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  • Profile picture of the author dncserv
    Really pleased I found this thread, I have been setting up my first few amazon sites and have been following the product criteria as originally discussed because that was what I was advised to do. :confused:
    So now after following through this thread I find that I should re-evaluate my criteria and go for a wider spread of products.:rolleyes:

    Thanks for the help and advice guys, when I can I will pass on any advice I can, after all thats one of the purposes of the forum is it not ?
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmanjack
      Originally Posted by dncserv View Post

      Really pleased I found this thread, I have been setting up my first few amazon sites and have been following the product criteria as originally discussed because that was what I was advised to do. :confused:
      So now after following through this thread I find that I should re-evaluate my criteria and go for a wider spread of products.:rolleyes:

      Thanks for the help and advice guys, when I can I will pass on any advice I can, after all thats one of the purposes of the forum is it not ?
      Sure dnc. I am glad you got to see this thread and learn from it as much as i have. Spread the word as much as possible so others can benefit from the great advice some of the big earning Amzonians have shared with us.
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  • Profile picture of the author cooler1
    Some good tips in this thread.

    It seems that within the last couple of months Google are getting strict with link building with people recieving messages from them about unnatural link building. So how are people supposed to effectively backlink Amazon review sites without getting penalized?

    If you only have 1 or 2 sites then it isn't much of a problem because you can build links manually, but if you have many sites then its far too time consuming to build links manually so you either need some tool or service.
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmanjack
      Originally Posted by cooler1 View Post

      Some good tips in this thread.

      It seems that within the last couple of months Google are getting strict with link building with people recieving messages from them about unnatural link building. So how are people supposed to effectively backlink Amazon review sites without getting penalized?

      If you only have 1 or 2 sites then it isn't much of a problem because you can build links manually, but if you have many sites then its far too time consuming to build links manually so you either need some tool or service.
      Is this from your own experience or friends of yours? Or are there some posts about these emails going out?
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    Thanks to Erica to who is one of the rare few peoples who give us newbies great value.
    I think in reallife business too, the masses buy products that cost not more than 60-100$, the others who are buying products over 100$ like in the 400-1200$ price range are not the masses, this is a stone written rule for every business branche/niche.

    But I make micro niche sites max 400 words of review and max.5- 10 pages, so when I can easy rank with an emd domain and these 5 sites each with 2 page views gives me let's say a search volume of 500 in a month on google first page, how good will be the longtail conversion rate1%,2% more?

    2% this are 10 sales (from 500), lets say 10 sales on products who costs 80$= 800$
    and you get 5% commission= 40$ you made in a month.

    Ok,let's say you promote 300-500$ price range products are product reviews about 400 words enough to make 10 sales in month with the same math as above with these higher price items?

    10 sales x300$= 3000$ you get 5% commission= 150$ in month.

    So why I should promote items who are under 100$ ???

    Or is it fact, with this math,that I make these 10 sales in month only with these under 100$ products but not with 300-500$ products?


    My problem with amazon is this;
    When I selsct products, I see that the 300-500$ or higher products have very few customer reviews max 3-5 most with zero.

    But the products within price range between 50-100$ they have the most customer reviews.

    I'm not Sherlock Holmes but when I analyzed that;

    Mr.Watson;

    Higher price items with zero-max 5 customer reviews= people not buying that on amazon?

    Lower price items who has the most reviews= this are popular items most people buy on amazon?

    With my math above,will I make 10 sales a month (2% from 500 search volume) with such 300-500$ items who has only3-5 customer reviews?

    Or with my math I make 10 sales a month but only with the 50-90$ price items?

    Mr Watson;

    Let us look further ahead, when I make these 10 sales only with 50-90$ price items, I must build 100 of these micro sites to build an income around 4000$ in month.
    Not seasonal products, only evergreen products.

    But when I make these 10 sales with the 300-500$ who has only 3-5 customer reviews, when I build 30 of such micro sites I have that 4000$ income.

    So with that 30 micro niche sites I have lesser work and lower investment (outsourcing).

    Mr.Watson,whe need to find out what's the true here; make these 10 sales only with the cheaper products or does I get same results =10 sales with the 300-500$ products?

    How we find out the true?

    Also what should I do next,what is my next step to find the right products to make a good income with amazon?

    Is the ebay affiliate program better there? On ebay are many customers who buys items who costs more than 300$ far more by sellers who have many customer reviews.

    Does ebay payout better commission to me than amazon?

    with best wishes and have a blessed day
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    Originally Posted by wolfmanjack View Post

    Pretty much every Amazon training I have read used similar rules for product selection.

    1)price over $100 and some say over $150

    2)Minimum # of Reviews

    3) 4 stars or above

    4) No electronics
    I do the opposite of virtually everything listed above. Although I do target products that are generally in the $200-$2000 range, I don't worry about number of reviews nor do I care how many stars a product has. I just find easy-to-rank products, rank for them, and earn commissions. No backlinking required.

    Electronics? That's my specialty.

    The result? An income as an Amazon affiliate that many would envy while putting in just 40-50 hours of "work" per month.

    Forget what the "gurus" say. Do what others aren't and success becomes significantly easier to achieve.
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    Yeah, can you imagine the spam that would be generated if Amazon were to allow email promotion? Holy cow. I just don't think they want any part in trying to police it so they just ban it outright. I can't say that's a bad thing.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

      Yeah, can you imagine the spam that would be generated if Amazon were to allow email promotion? Holy cow. I just don't think they want any part in trying to police it so they just ban it outright. I can't say that's a bad thing.
      Email marketing is not banned outright by Amazon. It is one of most widely used marketing methods by top Amazon affiliates. :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        Email marketing is not banned outright by Amazon. It is one of most widely used marketing methods by top Amazon affiliates. :rolleyes:
        I meant direct-linking from emails :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi Erica,

    always great value what you give us.

    But squidoo should I use only for backlinks or does squidoo traffic well convert wirh amazon products? Or only with cheaping amazon products like 5$ app gifts or so?

    What is best method to drive traffic to my squidoo lens- with zemanta?

    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author Sojourn
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Hi Erica,

      always great value what you give us.

      But squidoo should I use only for backlinks or does squidoo traffic well convert wirh amazon products? Or only with cheaping amazon products like 5$ app gifts or so?

      What is best method to drive traffic to my squidoo lens- with zemanta?

      best wishes
      marco005
      Thanks, marco!

      I use Squidoo for both - to promote traffic to my sites and to sell Amazon products. I have some lenses that do only one of those things and some that do both.

      I mostly go for $30-300 items on my lenses and they do just fine. Squidoo has a lot of internal traffic that flows through the Related Lenses tabs and their featured lenses pages so you can get a good mix of direct traffic and referral traffic.

      It works best for me when I target a very specific niche and present the best selection of products I can find for that niche on Amazon.

      Sincerely,

      Erica
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  • Profile picture of the author PPC-Coach
    This is the issue with affiliates not being creative and thinking that they MUST follow the guidelines set in courses and tutorials or it will never work.

    Those numbers and that criteria are just ONE way. It's not the only way. The most successful people take a method and put their own angle on it.

    Be creative, don't accept that everything is written in stone, it's not. It's just a guideline that's all.

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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi Erica,

    is it true does squidoo niches like dating, im,fitness, weight loss, and so on not allowed?

    So I can promote amazon products on squidoo as I can put a link to my own amazon affiliate site to the squidoo sidebar?

    Should I sell the same niche items on squidoo as on my own site or other similiar items?

    When sell on squidoo they pay per paypal or I must wait on checks squidoo sends to me?
    Does squidoo allowed content curation or I must only written my own unique articles?

    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author Sojourn
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Hi Erica,

      is it true does squidoo niches like dating, im,fitness, weight loss, and so on not allowed?
      That's not exactly true. Weight loss and dieting are on the list of topics to avoid but fitness is not. Exercise lenses are fine, in many cases. In part, the list of topics to avoid is based on the end goal of the lens. Squidoo wants to avoid topics that attract spam and doesn't want to have lenses promoting **** berry pills, questionable ebooks or products that perhaps have a negative reputation. The topics on their "don't" list are the kind that generally lead to recommending those kinds of products. You can read their full list (and reasons for the list) here: The SquidDon't Content Policy

      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      So I can promote amazon products on squidoo as I can put a link to my own amazon affiliate site to the squidoo sidebar?
      Yes, you can promote Amazon products on Squidoo lenses and you can use either your own Amazon Associate links or you can use the Squidoo Amazon modules and use their links (then you get a share of the commissions - this is a solution for those who can't get an Amazon Associate account).

      You can also link to your own Amazon review site in any of your lenses - even right in the Intro Module paragraph of your lens, if you choose.

      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Should I sell the same niche items on squidoo as on my own site or other similiar items?
      I do both. Sometimes I use Squidoo to test out a niche and I'll include links to Amazon products. If the conversions are good, I'll build a site on the niche. A backlink to my site gets added to the lens but the products stay in place so I have two sites promoting some of the same products.

      However, I also use Squidoo to promote products around which I don't want to build a site because the topics are seasonal or I don't really have an interest in exploring the niche in the kind of depth I do when I build a site.

      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      When sell on squidoo they pay per paypal or I must wait on checks squidoo sends to me?
      Squidoo pays by PayPal. I don't know if any country limitations apply.

      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Does squidoo allowed content curation or I must only written my own unique articles?
      Squidoo does require unique content and runs a duplicate content filter looking for lenses that have copied information from other sources. However, there are modules built into Squidoo that would allow you to add curated content through RSS feeds, Twitter feeds, and news feeds. This allows you to share content you think is valuable to the lens topic while also providing your own perspective. Just make sure that the bulk of your lens is unique content with only a minor portion of the content coming through feeds or other sources.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    great thanks to Erica, I have long time sought for this.

    Does anyone here use zemanta to get traffic? How deos zemanta works?
    I only must add my site/blog to them and the traffic comes????

    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    @Sojurn- Hi Erica,

    you don't put the price in the amazon images with little descriptions, is that right?
    Is it better when I show not a price in my amazon image?

    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author Sojourn
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Hi,

      @Sojurn- Hi Erica,

      you don't put the price in the amazon images with little descriptions, is that right?
      Is it better when I show not a price in my amazon image?

      best wishes
      marco005
      marco005 - That's right. I don't use prices. Instead, I use either Amazon buttons or a button that says something like "check today's price". According to the Amazon.com Associates TOS you can only use the price on your page if you bring it in through the Amazon API so that they can be assured of it's accuracy.

      I find this entices people to click as they want to know what the price might be and if there's a deal at the moment.
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  • Profile picture of the author BarryOnline
    You make some great points and I do agree with them.

    The price definitely does not have to be over $100 to make a good income from a site. I have sites that do very well promoting products around $40. Lets face it, most people are on a budget so price matters and I find lower priced products (particularly discounted) convert far better.

    I would not turn a product down just because there are only a couple of reviews. If I find a product that looks worth promoting but only has a few positive customer reviews then I would go ahead and promote it. As long as the reviews are positive then the product is off to a good start and people will buy it.

    I’ve also seen products sell well with a rating of just 3.5 stars because there is a majority of happy customers and lengthy positive reviews. Sometimes you'll also see products with a review star rating of 3.5 stars but Amazon is offering such a good discount price people will buy. I would not promote a product under 3 stars however.

    I don't see any reason not to promote electronics ether because of the 4% commission cap. I promote products through the UK Amazon affiliate program that put a cap of £7 on each sale. This means no matter what the price of the product the most I can make for an individual sale is £7 – but that’s not stopped me from making over £3,000 per month from Amazon!
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  • Profile picture of the author Gsdlady
    Thanks for a great post on Amazon! I currently have over 30 Amazon sites and I offer high end products and low end products. I was doing good till the Google Panda update. There are some great responses here and interesting points of view. I do think that many of the Amazon training teaches you how to market the larger items to help you get your feet wet in affiliate marketing. When it comes to selling an Amazon product I think a lot of it depends on how you market the site, the traffic you get and the season it is. I started off with general domain names that featured a variety of items. I'm now working on sites that feature brand names to see if I see a difference in my sales. When it comes to Amazon I'm all for discussions on learning how others make high commissions from Amazon.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    @Sojurn, Erica thanks for your answer, I will be test this.
    Erica, I think long 800-1000 word top written product reviews is onlyneeded for high ticket items say above over 500$??
    Products lesser than 500$ dont need such long written reviews?
    And you say you promote not more than 3,5-7 products on one site, so you are build micro niche sites? (sites with not more than 5 products)

    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author Sojourn
      marco005 -

      I think the word count of the review depends on the complexity of the product. The more moving knobs, buttons, controls and gizmos that come with it, the more you should be writing about.

      I don't build micro niche sites at all. I build large sites, 100+ pages, and often have tons of products on the site. For example, if I have a site about stand mixers, I'll have a review of every stand mixer I can find, posts that compare popular stand mixers, information on how to choose a stand mixer, explanations for features of stand mixers, information on any manufacturer rebates, etc.

      Although, I do have some sites I never finished building out so they sure LOOK like micro sites but that wasn't the objective. (Don't we all have some domains that just sort of lost our interest after awhile?)

      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Hi,

      @Sojurn, Erica thanks for your answer, I will be test this.
      Erica, I think long 800-1000 word top written product reviews is onlyneeded for high ticket items say above over 500$??
      Products lesser than 500$ dont need such long written reviews?
      And you say you promote not more than 3,5-7 products on one site, so you are build micro niche sites? (sites with not more than 5 products)

      best wishes
      marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,
    @Barryonline; with your methode, not promote products over 100$, to make this amount of money you must havve 50-100 niche sites?

    How big are your sites, 5 pages,10 pages,20 or more?
    What type of reviews you write for these products, long, short above 250 words or so?

    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author BarryOnline
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Hi,
      @Barryonline; with your methode, not promote products over 100$, to make this amount of money you must havve 50-100 niche sites?

      How big are your sites, 5 pages,10 pages,20 or more?
      What type of reviews you write for these products, long, short above 250 words or so?

      best wishes
      marco005
      There's a common miss conception that you need to have a large pool of sites to make a lot of money from Amazon, but that’s not the case. Google ranks pages, not websites. So instead of building new sites all the time add more pages to a site that is already making some money.

      I don't think the people who build 100 sites are offering their readers much value or see great conversions. When I build a niche Amazon site I want it to last and to be making money for years. I don't like the idea of building hundreds of low quality crash and burn type sites. It's not a good long term strategy.

      My sites that make the most money have around 30 pages of high quality content and a nice branded design. Some of my Amazon review sites get genuine Facebook likes and Google plus 1's.

      My product reviews are high quality of around 1,000 words and I see high direct link conversions. This means that after reading my review the person goes directly to the Amazon product page through my affiliate link and buys. This is the main goal with any product review.

      I have a site that makes over £800 per month from a product that earns me just £2.40 per sale. But because there is enough buyer traffic and my review converts well it earns a good chunk every month.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gsdlady
    I have a question for any of the Amazon experts. Do you find items that have brand names do better than a general domain? For example: phillipstvsales.com vs lcdtvsales.com

    Do you focus on small sites of less than 20 products or focus on sites that offer over 500 products? Do you build back links to each site? What type of SEO do you do on your sites? I have over 30 sites and I'm looking for ways to generate more traffic. Of the 30 sites at the moment I'm lucky if I make 50.00 a month. So I need to take a look at what I might be doing wrong and work on correcting any problems. A couple of my general domain sites are http://homeandkitchendecor.com/ http://shoes-sneaker.com/ I get very limited sales and I would like to work on increasing my Amazon commissions.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    build some 5-10 sb backlinks for free for every ofmy deeper page (product review )pages, is hard work.

    Now for a small 8 page micro niche site, I sit down 2 hours with these auto poster online tool to create sb accounts and then in every account add my page link.

    That is hard work-middle age, then not in every sb account you can add links. So youcreate an account, wait for the require email, login and see that you can not add links,go and create another new sb account and so on, and so on......

    In 2 hours I have create 4 sb accounts in all four accounts I have added my 8 page links.

    That is not effective. Does anybody knows a great serious sb backlink fiverr gig who builds these backlinks for unlimited urls?

    Then listen, to pay for every url a fiverr gig, assume thats an huge expensive investment, thats alone 40$ formy little 8 page micro site.

    Damn.

    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author marketwarrior06
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    I prefer Amazon for low cost products. Actually I really have some bad experience with them. As I am an Amazon affiliate, so I think amazon is always a good option when there is no other option.
    Normally people think that they will get the same product at a low price in amazon but its not true. Cause people are taking advantage of this. they are selling things at a higher rate than others.
    but some specific things like some books, that you can't find in other shops can easily buy from Amazon.
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  • Profile picture of the author huester
    I only started with amazon recently to broaden my portfolio and have used michael franklins training. I currently got two sites up and one im trying to rank. I need to do two more weeks of backlinking to see an increase in page rank. Without revealing what michael does can someone let me know what backlinking they use.
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    some very valuable information in this post, thanks
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