Warriors Sneaking In Affiliate Links On WSOs!

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Have you noticed people posting video reviews of WSOs, on that products thread, and at the end of the video they say to visit their own affiliate link to get the product?

What are your thoughts on this?
#affiliate #links #sneaking #warriors #wsos
  • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
    Originally Posted by Robin Blinds View Post

    Have you noticed people posting video reviews of WSOs, on that products thread, and at the end of the video they say to visit their own affiliate link to get the product?

    What are your thoughts on this?
    Yes, we have noticed. The rules Stickies above have been edited to add a new rule prohibiting that practice. My thoughts are that you use the "Report Post" button at the lower left corner of the offending post, which will notify the moderators, who will then most likely delete the post.
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  • Profile picture of the author tim_buchalka
    I guess you can't blame them, they created a review so why should they not benefit? But of course if its against the rules of the forum then yes they should not be doing it and/or it should be stopped.
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    • Profile picture of the author Robin Blinds
      Originally Posted by tim_buchalka View Post

      I guess you can't blame them, they created a review so why should they not benefit?
      Well if they have made a video review and they want to profit from it, they should be sending it out to their list or posting on their own blog, instead of trying to steal a commission from the Product creator who has paid to post that WSO
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Meaney
      Originally Posted by tim_buchalka View Post

      I guess you can't blame them, they created a review so why should they not benefit? But of course if its against the rules of the forum then yes they should not be doing it and/or it should be stopped.
      It's also motivation to create false reviews.
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  • Profile picture of the author ShawnSells
    Its' people trying to get around the removal of links signature on wso threads. So, they think they're being sneaky. And I agree with Mick, it also encourages fake reviews.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Mick and Robin nailed most of it.

      Here's the reasoning behind prohibiting links to offsite reviews:

      1. The seller pays for the traffic that comes with a listing in the WSO section. Diverting that traffic to an offsite review which then offers some incentive to buy through an affiliate link is unfair to the seller.

      2. Same with posting a review within the thread that offers some incentive to buy through an affiliate link. That also constitutes a competing ad within a paid thread.

      3. Affiliates who send visitors to an offer are the ones created that traffic. To siphon that off with this type of competing offer is unfair to them.

      4. Many visitors wouldn't realize that the "reviews" are just ads, and not real reviews. That's misleading to potential customers.

      That's the material stuff. Then there's the mechanical end of things. We'd have dozens of people competing to get an early placeholder post in a thread, so they could put their "review" link in if the WSO took off. Many of those people wouldn't bother posting a review unless the thing was hot, which would litter many threads with multiple "Just bought. Will post review later" comments.

      Of course, for the ones that were hot, the "Bonus Wars" would take over threads. The discussions of which bonus offer was the best would overshadow the original product.

      And there'd be all sorts of hassles with people ordering to get a bonus and then refunding the original product, or holding the seller responsible somehow if the affiliate didn't deliver. Or if the bonus just sucked.

      Sellers would clamp down on who they allowed as affiliates, locking out anyone they don't know personally. (Mixed blessing, that one.) Affiliates would start fighting among themselves, and the affiliate systems involved (JVzoo, WSO Pro, Digiresults, et al) would get dragged into the mess.

      There'd be some short-term gain for a few affiliates, but the medium- to long-term result would be bad for everyone.


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      • Profile picture of the author TiffLee
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Mick and Robin nailed most of it.

        Here's the reasoning behind prohibiting links to offsite reviews:

        1. The seller pays for the traffic that comes with a listing in the WSO section. Diverting that traffic to an offsite review which then offers some incentive to buy through an affiliate link is unfair to the seller.

        2. Same with posting a review within the thread that offers some incentive to buy through an affiliate link. That also constitutes a competing ad within a paid thread.

        3. Affiliates who send visitors to an offer are the ones created that traffic. To siphon that off with this type of competing offer is unfair to them.

        4. Many visitors wouldn't realize that the "reviews" are just ads, and not real reviews. That's misleading to potential customers.

        That's the material stuff. Then there's the mechanical end of things. We'd have dozens of people competing to get an early placeholder post in a thread, so they could put their "review" link in if the WSO took off. Many of those people wouldn't bother posting a review unless the thing was hot, which would litter many threads with multiple "Just bought. Will post review later" comments.

        Of course, for the ones that were hot, the "Bonus Wars" would take over threads. The discussions of which bonus offer was the best would overshadow the original product.

        And there'd be all sorts of hassles with people ordering to get a bonus and then refunding the original product, or holding the seller responsible somehow if the affiliate didn't deliver. Or if the bonus just sucked.

        Sellers would clamp down on who they allowed as affiliates, locking out anyone they don't know personally. (Mixed blessing, that one.) Affiliates would start fighting among themselves, and the affiliate systems involved (JVzoo, WSO Pro, Digiresults, et al) would get dragged into the mess.

        There'd be some short-term gain for a few affiliates, but the medium- to long-term result would be bad for everyone.


        Paul
        In other words: it'd be a cluster****. :p
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        • Profile picture of the author Global Warrior
          Some times, we get posts or threads deleted here on this forum...... I fully admit that I have been "guilty" of both. was I intentionally guilty..... NO.... But when you ply soccer, you accept the referees decision.

          There are probably posters on here that would like to claim the "ignorance" angle.... But that's not good enough. The mods have to uphold standards...... They have to be the arbitrator...... And we need to accept that in order to participate on this forum. Why..... Because no one polices ethics.... Yet Allen and the mods have a right to determine what is acceptable nd what isn't.

          If you are the type of person that always cuts corners, you are likely to transgress the rules of the forum..... Why.... Because they upholds standards...... Standards and ethics that we all need to practice as Internet marketers.

          I apologise to the OP if my post has diverted the thread somewhat, but sometimes we need to accept that our actions are going to be judged as contrary to the ethos and ethics of the forum!!!!

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      • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Mick and Robin nailed most of it.

        ... That's the material stuff. Then there's the mechanical end of things. We'd have dozens of people competing to get an early placeholder post in a thread, so they could put their "review" link in if the WSO took off. Many of those people wouldn't bother posting a review unless the thing was hot, which would litter many threads with multiple "Just bought. Will post review later" comments....
        Paul
        Those posts went right over my head. I always thought it was annoying useless post, I didn't realize they were probably "reserving a spot" at the top of thread.

        It's like a game of whack-a-mole, trying to keep on top of the sneaky stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    Another point to add is that they are violation of FTC rules that state that they need to disclose that they receive monetary compensation should the person buy the product via their link/review.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Russ,
      Another point to add is that they are violation of FTC rules that state that they need to disclose that they receive monetary compensation should the person buy the product via their link/review.
      I don't think that one would apply very often. When you say "Use my affiliate link and I'll send you [whatever]" to someone in this market, they KNOW what's going on.

      Sure, some folks would hide it, and some visitors might not understand "affiliate link," but that's unlikely to be a significant portion of the potential sales.

      Outside the IM field, that might be a different story.


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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Oh yeah... almost forgot...

        The way WSO Pro works involves rotating payments. I haven't used it, so one of you who have tell me... Do the reports show which customers ordered through your link, even when you don't get paid for the sale?

        If not, anyone care to guess what happens next?


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        • Profile picture of the author AdenWhite
          Sorry to change the subject a little, but are you allowed to put affiliate link to a WSO in your sig (I mean in other parts of the forum)?

          Or are all affiliate links a no no.

          Many thanks.
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          • Profile picture of the author Gail_Curran
            Originally Posted by AdenWhite View Post

            Sorry to change the subject a little, but are you allowed to put affiliate link to a WSO in your sig (I mean in other parts of the forum)?

            Or are all affiliate links a no no.
            Nope, it's still against the rules. You can link to your own WSO (that's not considered an affiliate link), but not to someone else's WSO that you're promoting as an affiliate.
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            • Profile picture of the author AdenWhite
              Originally Posted by Gail_Curran View Post

              Nope, it's still against the rules. You can link to your own WSO (that's not considered an affiliate link), but not to someone else's WSO that you're promoting as an affiliate.
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              But you could link to your own site/blogger blog that has a review of an affiliate product, right?
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              • Profile picture of the author Gail_Curran
                Originally Posted by AdenWhite View Post

                But you could link to your own site/blogger blog that has a review of an affiliate product, right?
                Yes, as long as it's an actual site you made and not a redirect to the product owner's site.
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                • Profile picture of the author AdenWhite
                  Originally Posted by Gail_Curran View Post

                  Yes, as long as it's an actual site you made and not a redirect to the product owner's site.
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                  That's weird because my signature was removed by a mod and replaced with "read the rules".

                  It was a 301 redirect, but to my own site. How is that breaking the rules?
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        • Profile picture of the author J Bold
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Oh yeah... almost forgot...

          The way WSO Pro works involves rotating payments. I haven't used it, so one of you who have tell me... Do the reports show which customers ordered through your link, even when you don't get paid for the sale?

          If not, anyone care to guess what happens next?


          Paul

          I'm not sure what you're alluding to, but I will answer the question, even if 11 days later!

          In WSO Pro, as the seller, you can see every single customer who bought and you can see what affiliate generated the sale. If the sale went to you but was generated by an affiliate, the affiliate name is listed but not bolded. If the sale went to the affiliate, the affiliate name is bolded. So yeah, you can see what sales affiliates generated for you either way.
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  • Profile picture of the author royljestr
    I think that they mainly would do that for youtube traffic and etc. If someone watches the review when it is embedded into the WSO thread I highly doubt they will go and use that guy's link
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  • Profile picture of the author David Mcalorum
    There was a WSO that was released...

    A certain ''no name'' WSO

    That taught this very thing.

    Needless to say, as Ken has stated, its not allowed in the forum.

    The WSO was not only closed, but deleted.

    Not a cool practice to say the least.
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by David Mcalorum View Post

      Needless to say, as Ken has stated, its not allowed in the forum.
      Unfortunately, they can't stop it from being sold outside the forum or recommended on blue fart sites.

      Many people have contacted me outside of the forum and said "hey, let's violate the WSO rules together." They're usually very confused when I don't want to do this, because to their mind, the WSO rules are there to screw people and stop them from making money.

      I have a different perspective. I think the WSO rules are there to protect the value of the community, which of course means that if you want to rape and pillage that community for a quick buck - the rules do in fact stop you from making money. But it's not the money they have a problem with.
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      • Profile picture of the author David Mcalorum
        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        Unfortunately, they can't stop it from being sold outside the forum or recommended on blue fart sites.

        Many people have contacted me outside of the forum and said "hey, let's violate the WSO rules together." They're usually very confused when I don't want to do this, because to their mind
        Some people eh? Geesh
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        • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
          Originally Posted by David Mcalorum View Post

          Some people eh? Geesh
          People like that are why the rules exist. I used to think the rules here had plausible justifications, but that the things they were designed to prevent would never happen.

          Wrong. They do. It just took about a year and a half before I was involved enough to see them happening.

          One of the things I love about this place is that the moderation is realistic. They're not so attached to freedom that they won't make the rules we need, but they're not so attached to "YOU WILL DO THINGS OUR WAY" that they make rules about everything. That is a hard line to walk, and I am not sure I could walk it myself.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adrian Int
    I'd glad that the mod's took the stance on this practice that they did..

    I was well aware of the "no name wso" and went through the thread before it was closed.

    The strategy of posting a review with an affiliate link inside of the WSO is, I think, both disrespectful of the WSO creator and their REAL affiliates who are sending traffic.

    Using an affiliate link inside the thread to stuff people's browser with a cookie adds no real value. It's pretty under-handed, in my book, and actually punishes the people who actually did the "real" work!

    I know we are always looking for "out of the box" strategies, but I hope my fellow warriors will keep it classy from here on out :-P


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    • Profile picture of the author WillR
      Originally Posted by Adrian Int View Post

      Using an affiliate link inside the thread to stuff people's browser with a cookie adds no real value. It's pretty under-handed, in my book, and actually punishes the people who actually did the "real" work!
      Placing an affiliate link inside a thread does not "stuff people's browser with a cookie". Not unless they click on that affiliate link.

      There have been people trying to game the WSO forum for a long time now. First it was the people who posted stupid one line reviews just to promote their signature. It was always the same guys in the first few posts of all the popular WSO's. Signatures then got banned.

      Then it was the guys doing video reviews with big logos in the video promoting their WSO review sites... that was blatant self-promotion as the logo could be seen without even starting the video. This included one of the more popular WSO sellers nowadays who used to regularly do this in all the popular WSO's. Those videos then got banned.

      Now there are the 'WSO of the Day' award graphics being used by some of the the WSO review sites. They basically give those 'awards' (in inverted commas for a reason!) to the most popular WSO's who then stick those award badges in their highly trafficked WSO which in turn advertises that WSO review site. I honestly don't know why some WSO vendors are so naive and actually put those badges inside their threads. Do they not realize why they are getting that award?

      I'm also starting to notice a lot more of a 'boys club' going on in the WSO section where you see a lot of the same old guys all leaving thumbs up and positive comments for one another. "$17? Are you kidding? I would have paid $297 at least!" Yeah right! Sure you would have. I guess this is what happens when little mastermind groups start forming. Make of it what you will.

      As you can see rules get changed but people always find a new way of exploiting them.
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  • Profile picture of the author charlier
    I would say to those marketers who are trying to put a review link that they should think about creating their own WSO rather then trying to steal traffic someone else is paying for
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