Why Deal With Click Bank?

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Hey Everyone,

So the last two products that I have become an affiliate with are using scripts that pay me directly to my paypal account.

So far i love how it is working out i make a sale and instantly i can use the money i don't need to wait a month for a check i can spend any money i make asap or transfer it to my bank account.

So why don't all people who own products have this Kind of affiliate program for one im sure the affiliates would enjoy it more. And it just makes everything easier with out dealing with a third party.

Also is there a website like clickbank that lists products that use scripts that pay right to paypal?

If so why wouldn't someone make one.

Eric
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    • Profile picture of the author Eric Land
      Originally Posted by Danc1122 View Post

      As a product owner... it's almost a MUST to put it on Clickbank.

      That's where pretty much all of the affiliates are. Plus, people trust Clickbank.

      I see a lot of post these days about people hating Clickbank... I'm not really sure why... I love it!
      Its not that i hate it at all i just want to know why we still use click bank when we could use scripts that cut out a third party?
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    Clickbank is the best affiliates program i ever joined. So far i received my payments in time, the only thing is it will take some time to process the checks upto 30 days or more.

    But, now clickbank is paying for their affiliates on weekly & bi-weekly basis directly to the bank accounts for eligible affiliates. that's good news & they almost covered every main countries.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      They also handle all the income taxes. Would you like to be responsible for not only paying thousands of affiliates in different countries and the income tax issues? Not me. For what they do for merchants, we have a bargain.
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      • Profile picture of the author zerofill
        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        They also handle all the income taxes. Would you like to be responsible for not only paying thousands of affiliates in different countries and the income tax issues? Not me. For what they do for merchants, we have a bargain.
        The Affiliate is responsible for their own taxes...
        That is why you see scripts like RAP and others out there that automatically change the form to your paypal info so you get paid directly.

        In other words a sale comes in with you as the affiliate...a check on the database shows you were paid last time...so this time it pays the product owner...next time it pays you...The money never touches the product owners account...Thus they don't have to worry about 1099 you...
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  • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
    Originally Posted by Eric Land View Post

    i make a sale and instantly i can use the money
    Eric

    A question: how do these systems work with regard to refunds ?

    Harvey
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    • Profile picture of the author Eric Land
      Originally Posted by Harvey.Segal View Post

      Eric

      A question: how do these systems work with regard to refunds ?

      Harvey
      Good question im not sure good thing i haven't had any lol
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  • Profile picture of the author globalpro
    Paul,

    I don't think they handle the income taxes, but do sort out the amount of transactions that have taken place.

    Harvey,

    The refunds are taken care of by the person that got paid for the sale. Michael has listed the top script that will do the 'instant' payout for affiliates and so far, after a year and a half of use, there hasn't benn any mention of problems doing it this way.

    If someone does have a problem RAP can ban offending affiliates from future sales.

    Thanks,

    John
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    • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
      Originally Posted by globalpro View Post

      Harvey,

      The refunds are taken care of by the person that got paid for the sale.
      What I meant was how the money is claimed back from the affiliate.

      Harvey
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      • Profile picture of the author Peter Hajnal
        Hi,
        I already tried more sites, but Clickbank is the easiest to use.
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      • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
        Originally Posted by Harvey.Segal View Post

        What I meant was how the money is claimed back from the affiliate.

        Harvey
        The money isn't claimed back Harvey.. the affiliate pays the refund if they made the sale...

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        • Profile picture of the author TimRobinson
          Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

          The money isn't claimed back Harvey.. the affiliate pays the refund if they made the sale...

          Peace

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          Though how do you actually make the affiliate do that? (Presuming the money has already gone into his paypal account)
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          • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
            Originally Posted by TimRobinson View Post

            Though how do you actually make the affiliate do that? (Presuming the money has already gone into his paypal account)
            The buyer does the chargeback/dispute.. and the paypal dispute process ensues as normal....

            It's really cool.. works fantastically well and IF there was an affiliate behaving a bit naughty.. then they can be banned and the consequences fall at their feet. Paypal chase up with the affiliate, not the product creator.

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            • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
              Hi Harvey,

              I use Rapid Action Profits myself - to sell Rapid Action Profits. It's a $177 product, and there is an upsell to a $297 bundle (that is also driven by RAP).

              Remember Jimmy D. Brown's split commission membership program through Paypal? It was a monthly PLR membership. I think it's against Paypal's AUP to do that now, but RAP provides something similar without breaking their policy. Payments are simply rotated between the merchant and the affiliate - at the rate specified by the merchant.

              50% = 100% of every other sale
              75% = 100% of 3 sales out of every 4

              The merchant sets the rate at any percentage they want to offer.

              There are $1 products for sale using RAP, (yes, and $7 products too), ebooks, scripts, memberships, etc.

              I've been selling RAP this way for about 16 months, with a refund rate of about 5% overall.

              Some of those are my personal refunds (i.e. I received the funds, so I refunded the customer), but with a network of just under 1000 affiliates, plenty of the refunds are for sales that went directly into their Paypal accounts.

              Sometimes the customer will contact the affiliate (i.e. via Paypal), but I also get an occasional request where the sale was paid to the affiliate (they are responsible for about 80% of all sales). I simply forward the refund request with a little canned email requesting that they honor my product guarantee (per the affiliate agreement).

              In that 16 months, I've had to cover only 1 affiliate refund.

              Of course, that affiliate was immediately banned, and they no longer receive any credit for sales that might trickle in from any old links they might have lying around on the web.

              As others have said... it works great. Just thought you might like some real facts to go along with the comments already made.

              Affiliates love it. They literally get paid the day they make sales for any RAP driven product. If they do a mailing and get 1000 people to click thru to the sales page, and get a 2% conversion (20 sales), they would get 100% payment directly into their Paypal account for 10 of those sales (assuming the merchant is paying 50%)

              Immediate payment works for both sides. It's much easier for a merchant to find affiliates when you offer immediate payment, and the affiliate doesn't have to wait x days for payment from the vendor.

              They don't even have to check their affiliate stats if they don't want, because they keep getting emails from Paypal saying "You Got Cash".

              Hope this helps.

              Edit The merchant can let the customer go through Paypal (as mentioned above), but I personally would rather eat the refund myself and limit the frustration of the customer.
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              • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
                Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

                As others have said... it works great. Just thought you might like some real facts to go along with the comments already made.
                Understood. Thanks Sid

                Harvey
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              • Profile picture of the author Cassidy
                Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

                Hi Harvey,

                I use Rapid Action Profits myself - to sell Rapid Action Profits. It's a $177 product, and there is an upsell to a $297 bundle (that is also driven by RAP).

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                Immediate payment works for both sides. It's much easier for a merchant to find affiliates when you offer immediate payment, and the affiliate doesn't have to wait x days for payment from the vendor.

                They don't even have to check their affiliate stats if they don't want, because they keep getting emails from Paypal saying "You Got Cash".

                Hope this helps.

                Edit The merchant can let the customer go through Paypal (as mentioned above), but I personally would rather eat the refund myself and limit the frustration of the customer.

                Great & post, thanks for lots of good insight!
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  • Profile picture of the author globalpro
    Harvey,

    Exactly as Jay said, The affiliate is responsible for the refund (they got the money). So far it has worked quite well.

    Thanks,

    John
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  • Profile picture of the author Mangozoom
    Clickbank plugs you into a network of affiliates which is very powerful. It is also very reliable ... you get paid on time every time.

    I also use PDC ... but have hear some affiliates moaning about getting paid their commissions.

    Clickbank automatically credits you with the sale and takes responsibility to ensure you get paid. In the early days of PDC if I remember this was the case. I think the change of policy in this area is a negative for PDC.

    I also do not like to promote products for sites that run their own affiliate scripts as you can face the same sort of problems.

    Nearly started with one this week offering 50% comissions on a good product. However their payment system said that I would get paid 100% of a sale every second sale ... no thanks not interested as far as I am concerned 1 sale equals 1 commission payment end of chat.

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  • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
    HI,

    I'm glad you're getting regular weekly wires from Clickbank - and there's no doubt that they have their place, but...
    Originally Posted by ProductCreator View Post

    1. Trust. Affiliates trust in a program on CB that they will be paid. They can test to see if the cookies work etc.
    2. More affiliates. You have tons of affiliates looking out for your offering without even doing any active promotion.

    The real question is, why NOT Clickbank?
    To answer your questions:
    1. If you look around a little on this forum, you'll find a number of affiliate marketers have voiced considerably less trust in the workings of Clickbank over the past few months.

      Some of it's probably just affiliate marketers looking for someone other than themselves to blame. But some appear to have done the research and are pretty convinced that everything doesn't work quite like it should.

      If being able to test to see if their cookies work is important to affiliates, how important would it be for them to see real proof (money in their Paypal account on the same day)?
    2. Yes. There are tons of affiliates with CB accounts. There are also tons of merchants for you to compete with. Need I say more?

      You depend on affiliates primarily to direct market your product for a reason. It's a more effective sales channel than any "marketplace". The same holds true for affiliate recruitment. Direct marketing of your affiliate program is more effective - especially if you know their hot buttons and make them the right offer.

      Don't believe it? Think about how many products there are on CB that you NEVER see affiliate promotions for.
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    Edit sorry - removed dup post
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  • Profile picture of the author joecool1972
    I have a problem with the whole affiliate being responsible for the refund thing simply because as the product owner it would be my reputation on the line. The buyer might not even know that they have bought through an affiliate link.

    If things have to go to dispute etc over someone claiming a legitimate refund then my reputation could be tarnished very quickly.

    This is one of the reason I like clickbank. Yes you are always going to get one or two idiots that claim refunds and still make use of your product, but there are ways of dealing with these and the whole process to me seems much better.

    If someone bought my product and then didn't think it was the product for them and I gave them a prompt refund when requested then most people will still go away with a reasonable impression of dealing with you and they still might even recommend you to others who they think would like your product.

    This is my experience anyway.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
      Hey Carlton,

      Originally Posted by joecool1972 View Post

      I have a problem with the whole affiliate being responsible for the refund thing simply because as the product owner it would be my reputation on the line. The buyer might not even know that they have bought through an affiliate link.

      If things have to go to dispute etc over someone claiming a legitimate refund then my reputation could be tarnished very quickly.
      If you read my reply to Harvey (above) you'll see that I also refund directly to customers that ask. But... I have an affiliate agreement in place that requires they honor my guarantee by refunding purchases that they received.

      All self-operated affiliate programs really do the same thing. The difference is that they hold the commissions for 45-60 days to clear any refund requests before they pay out to the affiliate.

      If my affiliates ignore a request to refund - they're banned. If they honor the request, they get the very next sale so that their commissions are back on track as quickly as possible.

      The response from affiliates has been fantastic, and I've only had to refund out of my pocket (on behalf of an affiliate) once in the past 16 months.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
      Hi Arthur,

      Originally Posted by ArthurRose View Post

      ... in all programs where paypal is involved, usually the merchant decides whether to pay or not, thus affiliates can never be sure if they will get their money.
      Not true. Read the OP again.

      With the "instant commission" programs, the merchant never gets his hands on your money. The affiliate's share of sales goes straight from the customer to the affiliate's Paypal account.

      At least some of those (can't speak for any that aren't "RAP driven"), also give you an affiliate center where you can log in to see your stats. You know how many sales you referred vs. how many you received payment for.
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      • Profile picture of the author abelacts
        Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

        Hi Arthur,


        Not true. Read the OP again.

        With the "instant commission" programs, the merchant never gets his hands on your money. The affiliate's share of sales goes straight from the customer to the affiliate's Paypal account.

        At least some of those (can't speak for any that aren't "RAP driven"), also give you an affiliate center where you can log in to see your stats. You know how many sales you referred vs. how many you received payment for.
        Sid, thanks for taking the time to explain how this direct-into-affiliate-account stuff works.

        Geez, I was cracking my head how I can make this work because of the refund part. Now it's clear to me.

        And based on your experience, the number of affiliates that refuse to honor refund is ONE? If this is the case, this looks great.

        Does 7 dollar script also the same way as RAP?
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        • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
          Hi,

          Originally Posted by abelacts View Post

          Sid, thanks for taking the time to explain how this direct-into-affiliate-account stuff works.
          Glad to help.
          And based on your experience, the number of affiliates that refuse to honor refund is ONE? If this is the case, this looks great.
          Yes. And, since I banned him - I've gotten more sales from links he put up, but didn't bother to take back down. The system doesn't pay out to banned affiliates.

          Does 7 dollar script also the same way as RAP?
          $7 secrets has some of the same features as RAP, but there many features that just don't exist in $7 Secrets.

          For instance, I don't believe there is any way to ban affiliates in $7 Secrets, and, therefore, no way to keep them from selling more of your product. If they are over-hyping your product, you may get even more refund requests that aren't honored. You have to have a way to shut them down.

          The similarities between the two systems are just that they both allow others to promote using their Paypal address and both offer instant commissions.

          There is more code for just the Admin area of RAP than there is in the whole $7 Secrets script. There are about 3 times as many templates, support for discount coupons, separate commission rates for JV partners vs. affiliates, multiple download links, automated split testing, an affiliate center (with tools page, click stats and sales stats), Equity Partner profit sharing, easy set up (web forms, rather than modifying code files to set parameters or modify the system emails), the ability to mail customers, affiliates, and JV partners (as separate lists), etc.

          I started out to answer a simple question, but I get excited, so I won't even go into the Add On Architecture here, or the enhancements that are coming in the next release. Let's just say that there is a reason that $7 Secrets and RAP have very different selling prices.
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  • Profile picture of the author lavaleekathy
    Clickbank always pay their affiliates reliably and promptly which is why I think clickbank is the best affiliates program I've ever joined. I guess one of the downsides is that it can take 30 days to recieve your payout cheques in the mail, but at the moment is now altering their program to pay their affiliates on weekly and semi weekly basis directly into their specified bank accounts of multiple currencies! I clickbank keep improving more and more every month. Just my 2 cents!
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  • Profile picture of the author trinitron00
    but aren't of you concerned with some of the products which are available on clickbank which look spammy in nature? I am an affiliate and I try to promote only products I believe in but I have always had this thought that clickbank could be raided one day and all those who use it might be on the hook.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
      Why Deal With Clickbank?

      Here's why:

      You can build your army of affiliates quickly.

      Very Popular amongst affiliate marketers (most popular than any site in affiliate marketing)

      It has a widget which you can apply on your blog and it won't look like a widget as well if you customize it.

      It is widely known amongst most trusted sites and as a secure site for affiliate marketers.

      The thing with clickbank is if you violate their rules, they ban you and you could lose all your money that you've earned.

      Why don't you ask specific questions? It will help you better.

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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        2. More affiliates. You have tons of affiliates looking out for your offering without even doing any active promotion.
        This is one of the biggest myths about Clickbank that drives me up the wall.

        Tell you what. Go create a product, host it with Clickbank, do no active
        promotion to get affiliates and see how many you get.

        Unless you're "Super Joe Cool" marketer with a list the size of Texas, don't
        expect to get a gravity of more than 5, if that, unless you actively promote
        looking for affiliates.

        It amazes me that people believe that they can just submit a product to
        Clickbank, do nothing, and get tons of affiliates promoting their product.

        I wish.
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  • Profile picture of the author IMChick
    There's a similar thread that just started on the pros and cons of CB and affiliate programs in general this morning on the forum.

    The essential point is that you have to balance your risk and not choose one business model to the exclusion of others. In other words, do you really want to be at the mercy of CB (or insert X here) when their cookies go wonkie and your sales plunge while you're still doing PPC, or do you want more control? Your choice.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vijay M
    If you are a product owner, you got to be listed on clickbank ,because of its popularity.

    Opt-in into any guru's/non-guru's list, and they invariably teach about clickbank.

    It's a huge marketplace with an army of instant employees to promote your product.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
      Originally Posted by Vijay M View Post

      If you are a product owner, you got to be listed on clickbank ,because of its popularity.

      Opt-in into any guru's/non-guru's list, and they invariably teach about clickbank.

      It's a huge marketplace with an army of instant employees to promote your product.
      Gee, that's odd.

      I've been marketing online for about 6 years now. This IS my day job.

      ... And I've NEVER listed a product on ClickBank.
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    • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
      Originally Posted by kennycannon View Post

      For example, if you sign up for clickbank, convert 1 in 10 and get 100 sales your first week, good luck getting paid.

      If your conversion ratio is 'too good' or your sales are 'too high' too quick, they will 'investigate' you for 'fraud' and you will never get paid. That happens with almost every affiliate network out there. More with CPA programs but I know people that went through it with CB too
      So you are saying that you know people who made legitimate sales with ClickBank, probably very quickly,
      were investigated for fraud and were never paid. Do you have any more information on this ?


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      • Profile picture of the author tschlotter
        Originally Posted by Harvey.Segal View Post

        So you are saying that you know people who made legitimate sales with ClickBank, probably very quickly,
        were investigated for fraud and were never paid. Do you have any more information on this ?


        Harvey
        I too would be interested in that issue.

        I'm just getting back into internet marketing after an absence of a few years (for the most part anyway) and I'm using Clickbank products currently. I haven't totally set up the promotions I'm planning, but would hate to spend any more time on it if I'll be robbed of commissions if I make TOO MANY sales!!

        I'm probably more suspicious than most, since I went through a similar experience three years ago when I had my Adsense account canceled. I followed their terms to the letter and ended up having my account canceled a few days before my first payment was due. They never did accurately explain why and after arguing back and forth for a while, I gave up on trying to get a real reason.

        Also (this is for Sid) - do you know of a site that lists products that are sold using the RAP system? I found one listing site through a Google search, but there are no products added to the database?
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        • Profile picture of the author philleep
          clickbank is a good start for newbies looking to sell affliate products
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  • Profile picture of the author mandyg33
    I am not sure if you know this but click bank has adsense like ads you can promote!
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    I just found this out and I am totally pumped .. check it out
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  • Profile picture of the author Alp Bozkurt
    Affiliate marketing is no different than the offline world example of Stores selling quite number of brands.

    Brands can't control which stores sell their goods. Store owners tell numerous lies to sell the goods to customers. That's not good but that's life. You will see countless number of complaints about each brand on the internet but who cares. People just keep buying their goods again and again.

    Even Amazon.com has an affiliate program that anyone can signup and tell lies about the goods they sell.

    Affiliate networks let you ban some people from selling your products so it's easy to filter them out if you catch them spamming. What happens when you don't catch? Nothing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sleaklight
    I've avoid any affiliates using RAP's. It just takes one incident to make it go sour. There is a publisher I did an affiliate sale for. Sure enough it was credited in the RAP scripts, but the terms is I would get paid for every 2 sales. Well I did one sale, then their script went haywire and erased the sales that had been posted. So I had to start over and the seller got their money but my credits were gone. Of course no use arguing with the seller since I had no screenshot proof of having a credit posted in my account before. It was only a $30ish commission but problems like this are why I am going to stick with a more reliable program like clickbank, which also has its quirks but if you make a sale and is recorded, wont disappear because of technical difficulties. Just my opinion
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  • Profile picture of the author JimTheBuilder
    clickbank is time tested and has been around forevah. Where else can you create a product and tap into the potential of that many affiliates?
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  • Profile picture of the author gerrihabib
    Some good points made here, I think that if you have your own product to promote you can certainly benefit from putting it on clickbank! All of the affiliates I know are using clickbank to promote products as its the only consistently reliable source of a marketing income, and its built up a great reputation as a trustworthy source for promoting as well!
    I think you just need to make sure that the product your promoting has good support and resources available to convince others to make others investigate buying it!
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