Sorry Guys, Internet Marketing Does NOT Work

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...If you dont:

Network
Listbuild
Linkbuild
Grab Attention
Provide Quality Content
Build Rapport With Your Audience
SEO Properly
Plan

Did I Miss Anything?
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    Yes, you missed probably the most important.

    None of that stuff means anything unless you...

    TAKE ACTION.
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    • Profile picture of the author savvybizbuilder
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      Yes, you missed probably the most important.

      None of that stuff means anything unless you...

      TAKE ACTION.
      That's right!
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      • Profile picture of the author agate
        Originally Posted by loyalsupporter View Post

        Very true, now go get a day job.
        Originally Posted by savvybizbuilder View Post

        That's right!
        Yes, I am also agree with you.
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    • Profile picture of the author WillR
      Originally Posted by Young And Opulent View Post

      Wouldn't doing those things he mentioned means that you took action?
      I was afraid someone was going to pick up on that

      You get what I mean... I hope.

      I'm saying none of those things are anymore important than each other. So long as you are taking action on something you are moving in the right direction.
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    • Profile picture of the author buckeyes09
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      Yes, you missed probably the most important.

      None of that stuff means anything unless you...

      TAKE ACTION.
      Don't forget about focus from "shiny new toy" syndrome.
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    • Profile picture of the author mahol
      well said ........
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      Yes, you missed probably the most important.

      None of that stuff means anything unless you...

      TAKE ACTION.
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    • Profile picture of the author sethczerepak
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      Yes, you missed probably the most important.

      None of that stuff means anything unless you...

      TAKE ACTION.
      Damn right
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Cousins
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      Yes, you missed probably the most important.

      None of that stuff means anything unless you...

      TAKE ACTION.
      Ditto! That's one of the toughest ones when you are starting out! BC
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      • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
        Originally Posted by joekoffi View Post

        What if you Network with the wrong people ?
        What if you Listbuild randomly ?
        What if you Linkbuild from PR0 and crab sites?
        What if you Grab Attention of the wrong audience ?
        What if you Provide Quality Content to a mix few?

        YOU MUST BE TARGETED
        Originally Posted by Bill Cousins View Post

        Ditto! That's one of the toughest ones when you are starting out! BC
        [QUOTE=PaulyC;5612155]A few guys mentioned take action - no doubt.

        You forgot that to succeed in business you must provide insane value and OVER-DELIVER!

        Not enough IMers are over-delivering on a regular basis, i truly believe those who are making 6-7 figures are the ones providing massive value and giving their customers more than they expect.QUOTE]


        And therein lies the problems for newbies and those who never succeed online.

        They may ask:

        Where do I take action?

        With all those things? Where do I start? How do I do those things properly?

        What if I don't know enough to over deliver or offer insane value?

        It definitely is a learning curve.

        And there will be lots of trial and error....and those who just can't take it and drop out when it isn't just pay some money and make thousands on auto pilot daily.
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    • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      Yes, you missed probably the most important.

      None of that stuff means anything unless you...

      TAKE ACTION.
      Well I think he covered that, seeing as he used words and phrases which all imply "action" being taken like:

      Network
      Listbuild
      Linkbuild
      Grab Attention
      Provide Quality Content
      Build Rapport With Your Audience
      SEO Properly
      Plan

      But yeah, let's keep chanting "TAKE ACTION" if it makes us feel better...:rolleyes:
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      :)

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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    p.s. You can succeed without SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author davejug1
    Yea there are many countless ways to earn money on the internet. None of them you list there are necessary, the only one that is, is Action
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanmilligan
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    I wouldn't personally build a business around SEO.

    With Google changing it's algorithims all the time and all that. I hate google but unfortunatly it's the mac daddy around here.

    But hell, to each his own. What people want to do is none of my business.
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  • Profile picture of the author loyalsupporter
    Originally Posted by Simmeon View Post

    ...If you dont:

    Network
    Listbuild
    Linkbuild
    Grab Attention
    Provide Quality Content
    Build Rapport With Your Audience
    SEO Properly
    Plan

    Did I Miss Anything?
    Very true, now go get a day job.
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  • Profile picture of the author haroldabolyo
    if you plan I think you can cover up all those things that you might don't wanna mess.
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  • Profile picture of the author dave147
    You can succeed without taking action, but you just won't make any money
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    • Profile picture of the author paul_1
      Originally Posted by dave147 View Post

      You can succeed without taking action, but you just won't make any money
      In the Marketing world - Success means making money
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    • Profile picture of the author paul_1
      Originally Posted by dave147 View Post

      You can succeed without taking action, but you just won't make any money
      In the Marketing world - Success means making money
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  • Profile picture of the author ashleysmith12
    HI
    One and the most important thing is quality . which you missed.
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  • Profile picture of the author ibacklinkpro
    Taking action.... there was an awesome post earlier about how Taking Action is the most overused BS thing people can tell you... Taking action can have tragic results. Before one takes action, research, consulting with people you trust who are qualified to give advice on your intended action is ALWAYS first if you want to succeed online.

    As for the OP:
    If you want to make a bunch of money online, here is my say:

    Network - Not required, but helpful

    Listbuild - In the traditional sense is not required and may even even hurt you, instead of listbuilding you should focus on growing your social media presence, but again not required.

    Linkbuild - almost always required to make a bunch of money, may not be required to make a little bit or even a decent amount of money.

    Grab Attention - Required

    Provide Quality Content - Required

    Build Rapport With Your Audience - I think this goes along with quality content, but yes required.

    SEO Properly - May not be required, though usually required if you want to make a bunch of money.

    Plan - Required if you want to make a bunch of money, may not be as important if you just want to make a little bit.

    I'd add 2 more.

    Learn. Constant learning is required even if you want to make just a little bit of money.

    Find Quality Outsourcees (probably not a word) - if you want to make a bunch of money, eventually you will run out of available time to invest, so finding quality content writers, that type of thing is required if you want to make serious money online, not needed if you are thinking small time.
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    • Profile picture of the author davejug1
      Originally Posted by ibacklinkpro View Post

      Taking action.... there was an awesome post earlier about how Taking Action is the most overused BS thing people can tell you... Taking action can have tragic results. Before one takes action, research, consulting with people you trust who are qualified to give advice on your intended action is ALWAYS first if you want to succeed online.

      As for the OP:
      If you want to make a bunch of money online, here is my say:

      Network - Not required, but helpful

      Listbuild - In the traditional sense is not required and may even even hurt you, instead of listbuilding you should focus on growing your social media presence, but again not required.

      Linkbuild - almost always required to make a bunch of money, may not be required to make a little bit or even a decent amount of money.

      Grab Attention - Required

      Provide Quality Content - Required

      Build Rapport With Your Audience - I think this goes along with quality content, but yes required.

      SEO Properly - May not be required, though usually required if you want to make a bunch of money.

      Plan - Required if you want to make a bunch of money, may not be as important if you just want to make a little bit.

      I'd add 2 more.

      Learn. Constant learning is required even if you want to make just a little bit of money.

      Find Quality Outsourcees (probably not a word) - if you want to make a bunch of money, eventually you will run out of available time to invest, so finding quality content writers, that type of thing is required if you want to make serious money online, not needed if you are thinking small time.
      I get the feeling that post was geared to both your username and the WSO in your signature ........

      I would rather take action 100 times and fail than to never take action at all. The learning comes through trial and error - Testing, split testing.
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      • Profile picture of the author ibacklinkpro
        Originally Posted by davejug1 View Post

        I get the feeling that post was geared to both your username and the WSO in your signature ........

        I would rather take action 100 times and fail than to never take action at all. The learning comes through trial and error - Testing, split testing.
        What the heck are you talking about??? How was my post at all anything to do with my signature?!?!? And I did not say NEVER take action, but taking action 100 times and failing is much worse than doing some research, consulting with a few professionals and failing once or twice before succeeding... maybe you should actually read before starting to bash other people's posts!
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      • Profile picture of the author Abdullah
        Originally Posted by davejug1 View Post

        I would rather take action 100 times and fail than to never take action at all. The learning comes through trial and error - Testing, split testing.
        Excellent advice. As somebody who has always seemed to learn faster than the other kids (back in my school days), I can certainly testify to this.

        To achieve real success you simply need to try hard, try smart and consistantly try.

        IMHO: no matter how much "knowledge" you have, it isn't "real knowledge" until you apply it and discover it through trial and error. Knowledge which has been tested YOURSELF and applied YOURSELF and experimented with YOURSELF is "true knowledge".

        There is an excellent Bollywood film which illustrates this beautifully, it is called "three idiots", I sincerely recommend that movie!

        Peace be upon you,
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  • Profile picture of the author cashtree
    Nice lead in, I thought your title was about to start a warrior storm heh.
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  • Profile picture of the author detomaso
    Originally Posted by Simmeon View Post

    ...If you dont:

    Network
    Listbuild
    Linkbuild
    Grab Attention
    Provide Quality Content
    Build Rapport With Your Audience
    SEO Properly
    Plan

    Did I Miss Anything?
    As a newbie here, can I give some advice?

    Your thread would be much more helpful if it stated in the title what it was about. This forum is full of GREAT information, but it can be overwhelming for someone new to process it all.

    The points you make are valid and helpful. It would be a shame if someone missed the conversation due to not knowing what thread was about.

    On the other hand, (sorry but ) the thread title screams "I'm trying to be edgy and controversial, please open my thread and pay attention to me".
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    • Profile picture of the author RyanJohnson
      Originally Posted by detomaso View Post

      On the other hand, (sorry but ) the thread title screams "I'm trying to be edgy and controversial, please open my thread and pay attention to me".
      Oh, you mean like "Grabbing Attention" ??
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  • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
    By the title, I was totally ready to disagree with the poster. ;-)

    Everything that is posted is true but what that all comes down to is "work".

    "Oh my, you mean I have to do something. I can't just pay $$$$ and do one little step and make thousands a day like all the headlines say?"

    Drat!

    {sarcasm}
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  • Profile picture of the author PaulyC
    A few guys mentioned take action - no doubt.

    You forgot that to succeed in business you must provide insane value and OVER-DELIVER!

    Not enough IMers are over-delivering on a regular basis, i truly believe those who are making 6-7 figures are the ones providing massive value and giving their customers more than they expect.

    I personally don't focus too much on SEO because it's constantly changing and it's like chasing something you will never really nail down for good... and without focusing too much on SEO aside from the basics, I've still managed to do well.

    Good topic of conversation here!
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    • Profile picture of the author nadal619
      Originally Posted by PaulyC View Post

      A few guys mentioned take action - no doubt.

      You forgot that to succeed in business you must provide insane value and OVER-DELIVER!

      Not enough IMers are over-delivering on a regular basis, i truly believe those who are making 6-7 figures are the ones providing massive value and giving their customers more than they expect.

      I personally don't focus too much on SEO because it's constantly changing and it's like chasing something you will never really nail down for good... and without focusing too much on SEO aside from the basics, I've still managed to do well.

      Good topic of conversation here!
      You nailed it PaulyC , providing value and over deliver on a regular basis , makes a successful businessman .
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  • Profile picture of the author joekoffi
    What if you Network with the wrong people ?
    What if you Listbuild randomly ?
    What if you Linkbuild from PR0 and crab sites?
    What if you Grab Attention of the wrong audience ?
    What if you Provide Quality Content to a mix few?

    YOU MUST BE TARGETED
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  • Profile picture of the author Avy Smith
    Originally Posted by Simmeon View Post

    ...Did I Miss Anything?
    "To be.......or not to be......is the question", William Shakespeare.


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  • Profile picture of the author lee ford
    I think it would be far more effective to approach IM as an objective list...Take your items and complete each objective cross it off and move on to the next..This prevents overload and Affiliate burn out.. One other point your objectives will always be dependent on your Product..Keep that in mind for streamlining sake!

    Have a wonderful afternoon...Lee
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Thomas
    can we please not test our copy writing skills on the msg board
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by Kevin Thomas View Post

      can we please not test our copy writing skills on the msg board

      Ironically, I have seen the owner of the msg board advise that more people should practice their copy writing skills on the msg board.
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      • Profile picture of the author affhelper
        After reading all responses nobody mentioned "money"

        It takes money to make money

        Most people already know what to do, have great ideas, take action, BUT they don't have the funds to scale, they don't have the funds to "make it happen" so to speak.

        You might not agree with me, but in my opinion the biggest reason why people fail is lack of funds to grow.
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        • Profile picture of the author willay
          Originally Posted by affhelper View Post

          After reading all responses nobody mentioned "money"

          It takes money to make money

          Most people already know what to do, have great ideas, take action, BUT they don't have the funds to scale, they don't have the funds to "make it happen" so to speak.

          You might not agree with me, but in my opinion the biggest reason why people fail is lack of funds to grow.
          I do not agree that the reason most people fail is lack of funds. In most cases a business that fails with little resources would have failed on a larger scale with more resources. It is not resources you need, it is resourcefulness.

          Also, if you have not mapped out exactly what your business goals are and what you want your business to look like and what the best way of getting there is then you most likely will not achieve it.
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          • Profile picture of the author affhelper
            Originally Posted by willay View Post

            I do not agree that the reason most people fail is lack of funds. In most cases a business that fails with little resources would have failed on a larger scale with more resources. It is not resources you need, it is resourcefulness.

            Also, if you have not mapped out exactly what your business goals are and what you want your business to look like and what the best way of getting there is then you most likely will not achieve it.
            Well, ok

            You need funds to get traffic.

            You need funds to test (most can't afford burning through money to get data)

            You need funds to outsource.

            You need funds to network (I am talking about developing "vital" relationships that you can acquire through events etc.)

            You need funds to create (especially if you are not a programmer, or you enter a niche that you are not an expert in)

            You need funds to scale.

            For example, you found something that works but you know it would take a lot of time to increase revenue. You can only do so much yourself so after a while you just burn out. Most people have bills to pay so they can't wait to actually reinvest. Their revenue is eaten up by bills.

            Now let's say you have funds ready to go after you found something that works. Well, ok now it's easy. Come up with processes and train others to do it for you.

            Another example would be SEO. In the last 2 years it became a bidding war if you already haven't noticed. I had a client competing for EXTREMELY competitive keyword. They were spending around $20k/month just to stay on the front page lol
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          • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
            Originally Posted by willay View Post

            I do not agree that the reason most people fail is lack of funds. In most cases a business that fails with little resources would have failed on a larger scale with more resources. It is not resources you need, it is resourcefulness.

            Also, if you have not mapped out exactly what your business goals are and what you want your business to look like and what the best way of getting there is then you most likely will not achieve it.
            I agree with you. I even did some basic training using a test group from a church who all wanted to make some extra money online or quit their day job. Most had very little money to invest. Results were so good I was asked to do it again and the group tripled in size.

            The two top internet marketing millionaires that I follow and consider my mentors both started with absolutely nothing, one was even homeless at the time and used some one elses computer at night time.

            If there is a will, there is a way.

            If you really want to do something, you will find a way and if you don't, you'll find an excuse. (I read that on facebook yesterday)
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            • Profile picture of the author affhelper
              Originally Posted by TopKat22 View Post

              If there is a will, there is a way.

              If you really want to do something, you will find a way and if you don't, you'll find an excuse. (I read that on facebook yesterday)
              and I agree with you too, but you are not describing the majority. Sure it's possible and if you're passionate about something (to a point where some might call you a fanatic) you can make it. You will need other income stream (or job) to keep you going.

              All I am saying is that for most, without proper funds making job replacing income consistently is like trying to escape earth's gravity on a motor-glider lol

              You need energy that comes from fuel. In business your fuel is money.
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        • Profile picture of the author anpharmd09
          Originally Posted by affhelper View Post

          After reading all responses nobody mentioned "money"

          It takes money to make money

          Most people already know what to do, have great ideas, take action, BUT they don't have the funds to scale, they don't have the funds to "make it happen" so to speak.

          You might not agree with me, but in my opinion the biggest reason why people fail is lack of funds to grow.
          Very true...
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  • Profile picture of the author DoriFriend2
    I agree with Kevin.
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  • Profile picture of the author positivemagic
    Yes you are missing the 3 Key concepts you must have to succeed online. They are the 3 Immutable Laws that Govern your success. Without them you are hanging yourself with an invisible rope.

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  • Profile picture of the author sarconi
    like any business you have to invest money and time not just the one or the other!
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  • Profile picture of the author yeahthatguy
    The biggest thing is to keep at it and realize it takes work. Article writing works, I'm on the first page for 10+ keywords from article links alone without ever being told about on page SEO while I was over at The Keyword Academy. Now that I know there is so much more I'm bound to skyrocket.

    That doesn't mean to use every black hat trick in the book, though. People have success with blasting worthless links directly to their money site and others get canned by Google for it. Patience is the key, and I'll say it just like so many other members here have.

    Pay someone if you have to, but for the love of god have something decent to provide to the internet! Even if you are just trying to make money (myself included) give them a reason to even read the article whether they click on an ad or not! I have a passion site that barely ranks for many of the keywords, but when I get tired of writing about the difference between green tea and black tea for the eighth day in a row I can crank out plenty of heartfelt posts for it.

    What's working for me? Niche sites that are quick, easy, and making me money. The use of those however is purely to buy me time until my authority sites are where I want them to be and then if my niche sites get shown the door, so be it.

    The point of my adderall fueled post is this: just do it, and do it right. Google will never sandbox you for providing something to the public. They will never ban your money site for being well written with a diverse link profile. They WILL give you the boot for writing a broken english post on "electric car charging cables for sale" with 33,000 links from forum profiles.
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  • Profile picture of the author algrant
    Passion, Yep that's it to have the passion to build your system by yourself, that way you will understand how it works so down the line you will understand what the person you decide to outsource to is doing.

    This of course takes time,dicipline and persistance. Once you have grasped this then you can share it with others, help them,nurture them, make friends with them, don't push the big sell and in time the money will flow.

    If it's a quick buck you're after then maybe your in the wrong business.
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  • Profile picture of the author Denis Kampl
    take action
    PPC
    PPV
    get a lot of needed rest
    vitamin supplements
    eat healthy food
    exercise
    have sex
    love what you do
    love your family
    ...

    you have to see BIG picture not just making money
    stuff, it doesn't work that way
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  • Profile picture of the author Snow_Predator
    *Reads the title only*

    oh damn, why didn't you tell me before?

    *throws laptop in bin*
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  • Profile picture of the author bizsolutions
    Thanks for starting this thread, there's a lot of good insight here.
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    • Profile picture of the author Simmeon
      Originally Posted by bizsolutions View Post

      Thanks for starting this thread, there's a lot of good insight here.
      Thanks.

      "Professionalism" is quite vital also.
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  • Profile picture of the author sureshots
    Internet Marketing does work. In my personal opinion what I think is going on with you is information overload.

    Try to stick with one area of Internet Marketing first master it and then move on. If you're going to be a master at email marketing do that, If you're going to master Amazon or eBay do that, if SEO or Pay per click marketing is your thing master that. Don't do too many things all at once you'll burn out!

    Find the part of Internet Marketing you like the most and focus on making money from that one area. Screw all the so called guru's that tell you to do too many things at once. Most of the guru's selling that garbage to people don't do any of that.

    Don't forget that the key ingredient with Internet marketing is the "marketing" The internet is ocean the marketing is land! Master one thing and I guarantee you that you're fortunes will change.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brenden Clerget
    Evolve with the market - probably the most crucial action for ANY business to take.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
    Are you serious? I have to plan to be successful? Do I have to take action too?
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  • Profile picture of the author WhiteDove
    In the beginning, taking action is what is important, How can anything happen if you don't step up to the plate. Don't worry about getting all of it right. Because you can't...
    Just do it is my moto, one step at a time and you will get there. Don't sit idle by, TAKE ACTION NO MATTER HOW SMALL...
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  • Profile picture of the author DWaters
    I must say the title of your thread caught my eye and made me read ....... good marketing right there!
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