What To Do When People Are Stealing Your Products??

by Tristan Bull 23 replies
Hey Guys,

Well I have a little bit of a problem. It's been pointed out to me from a few very nice warriors that some people are stealing my products and are either giving them away for free or selling them by themselves.

I have been luckily enough to enjoy some success the past year or two and in a way it's kind of flattering that people want to steal my stuff and give it away or sell it but it's becoming a bit of a problem now because quiet a few different people have brought my attention to it.

The main problem seems to be on forums, blackhat forums and other Internet marketing forums.

So I was just wondering what can I really do about it? As soon as someone buys my product it's very easy for them to turn around and sell themselves or simply give it away for free.

The only good thing I can see is I'm getting a lot of good feedback from the people who are downloading my products illegally lol

I'm sure some of you guys must of ran into this problem before.

Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

Cheers,
Tristan
#main internet marketing discussion forum #people #products #stealing
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  • Profile picture of the author Darth Executor
    Blackhat forums - find the owner and hire someone to break his legs.

    Seriously, nothing much you can do about it. You can sue but it's probably not worth the expenses.

    Individual sites, complain to their host.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bryan Kumar
    Tristan,

    I understand your frustration. I've visited some of these sites after being informed that some of my products were being "shared" there.

    There are many solutions and ideas that can be discussed to solve this problem.

    Unfortunately, it's kinda like trying to solve the spam problem. None of the solutions will work 100%, and almost all of them will stop working eventually.

    Unless you are selling a solid, tangible product, it's way too easy for certain individuals to rip and duplicate products.

    Do what you feel you need to do (report to the hosts, payment processors, etc.), and then move forward.

    Focus on the 95% of real customers who buy from you. Put your energy there instead of on the 5% who are stealing from you (whether by sharing on sites or serial refunding.)

    Both you, as well as your real customers, will be better for it.

    Bryan

    PS. By the way, you have to wonder how many of those guys are actually using the products or making any money from it. How much value can you associate with most free stuff anyway? ;-)
    (Besides, it all has to balance out in the end, so they're really just taking a lot of steps back.)
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    • Profile picture of the author Jim Hallmark
      Originally Posted by Bryan Kumar View Post

      Focus on the 95% of real customers who buy from you. Put your energy there instead of on the 5% who are stealing from you (whether by sharing on sites or serial refunding.)

      Both you, as well as your real customers, will be better for it.

      Tristan,
      I totally think Bryan's got the right idea here man. I'm a total believer in "If you plant corn you get corn." These thieves are going nowhere man.

      Just continue to focus on making and selling good products that help people solve their problems and you'll be the huge winner in the end. It's the law of the harvest dude and it works every time.

      Cheers,
      Jim
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    • Profile picture of the author dmh_warrior
      I have to agree with Kumar (below)... sucks though! I hate getting my stuff ripped off, but it's just one of those inevitabilities if you have a good product.

      Thanks!



      Originally Posted by Bryan Kumar View Post

      Tristan,

      I understand your frustration. I've visited some of these sites after being informed that some of my products were being "shared" there.

      There are many solutions and ideas that can be discussed to solve this problem.

      Unfortunately, it's kinda like trying to solve the spam problem. None of the solutions will work 100%, and almost all of them will stop working eventually.

      Unless you are selling a solid, tangible product, it's way too easy for certain individuals to rip and duplicate products.

      Do what you feel you need to do (report to the hosts, payment processors, etc.), and then move forward.

      Focus on the 95% of real customers who buy from you. Put your energy there instead of on the 5% who are stealing from you (whether by sharing on sites or serial refunding.)

      Both you, as well as your real customers, will be better for it.

      Bryan

      PS. By the way, you have to wonder how many of those guys are actually using the products or making any money from it. How much value can you associate with most free stuff anyway? ;-)
      (Besides, it all has to balance out in the end, so they're really just taking a lot of steps back.)
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  • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
    Originally Posted by Tristan Bull View Post

    Hey Guys,

    Well I have a little bit of a problem. It's been pointed out to me from a few very nice warriors that some people are stealing my products and are either giving them away for free or selling them by themselves.

    I have been luckily enough to enjoy some success the past year or two and in a way it's kind of flattering that people want to steal my stuff and give it away or sell it but it's becoming a bit of a problem now because quiet a few different people have brought my attention to it.

    The main problem seems to be on forums, blackhat forums and other Internet marketing forums.

    So I was just wondering what can I really do about it? As soon as someone buys my product it's very easy for them to turn around and sell themselves or simply give it away for free.

    The only good thing I can see is I'm getting a lot of good feedback from the people who are downloading my products illegally lol

    I'm sure some of you guys must of ran into this problem before.

    Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

    Cheers,
    Tristan
    Tristan:

    If they are contacting you, maybe you could shame them into buying?
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  • Profile picture of the author crunch
    Tristan, think of it as shoplifting. It sucks, the big guys spend a lot of money dealing with it. The small guys write it off.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tristan Bull
    Yeah thanks guys, I figured there was not much point in worrying about it. But was just curious to see if anyone had a certain solution but it's cool. It's only a small portion of people who are doing it anyway.

    Cheers guys!
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  • Profile picture of the author Star69
    One of the best things to do for yourself, knowing that your products will be stolen or sold by others without your permission, is to embed links to your other products all over within each product, not just showing links but writing about those products quite a bit throughout your text.

    That way any jerk who wants to steal your books or reports will have no choice but to advertise for you or go through it and make major deletions to remove your links and any mention of them, or completely rewrite it.

    Most will see that as way too much trouble to go through and they'll move on to someone elses product.

    If they want to steal your product, they'll have to advertise for you. Sound like a good idea? What do the Warriors think about that? Is it feasible?
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  • Profile picture of the author eidoan
    Try DLGuard (it's on clickbank I think) but really, if it's digital, there's not much you can do.
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy McDonald
      So, are you saying that anything but Adobe's PDF security feature doesn't work? Hmmm....

      Originally Posted by HarveyJ View Post

      There's plenty that can be done about this... just that most people on this forum are too ignorant of the actual solutions because no one here has seems to know much about security.
      Look down your nose all you want at black hatters but the point is those are guys that know security backwards... literally.

      So, here's a free tip: PDFs can be made more secure by using a real, legitimate, not piece of crud WSO or Clickbank, PDF development program designed for creating secure documentation or actual books.
      Adobe, the creators of PDF, have a huge range of security features available in PDF v7 and a lot of call back features in v8.
      Get a REAL copy of Acrobat (not the crappy free one that's a reader only) and read the help files on document security. Make use of your legitimate purchase by bugging Adobe and getting them to send you some instructions if you have to.
      The point is that you can easily create secure documents if you actually know what you're doing.
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      • Profile picture of the author sajeena
        Hello guys,

        Whatever you do to prevent stealing or hacking your products, some people will give a copy to his friend and some will even post the link in some forums that provide links of stolen downloadable products. Here is what we do on weekly basis:-

        1) Go to google and search site:YourWebsite.com and find any download link has been listed there.

        2) Then Search in google YourProduct+Rapidshare. Most of the stolen products are uploaded to rapidshare and spread all over the internet. By searching these terms, you can find whether your product has been uploaded to Rapidshare and link is provided somewhere.

        3) Visit Alexa and search site:YourWebsite.com and find whethere the download link is listed there (Alexa has a tendency to keep URLs of pages people (buyers) visit regularly even if there is no link to that page from listed/indexed pages.)

        Hope this helps,
        Sajeena.
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  • Profile picture of the author CPA
    Dude there's almost nothing you can do.

    You have to understand that warez boards exist, and they will forever. Don't get me wrong, I am not a warez fan at all, I know what it's like to see your product being shared on those warez boards. But, you see, there will always be people that will buy from you and people that will get away for free. It's the law of the internet

    So, relax, report those files to the file hosting companies they are uploaded to, register at the forums, be a bit helpful (get 20 posts) and request that your product gets removed. Those are all freebie seekers there, they never ever bought any products and never will. File a c & d if needed, some of them won't even listen. But never forget that there will always be buyers.
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  • Profile picture of the author mywebwork
    Large department stores treat shoplifting as a fact of life, they take appropriate steps to stop it but inevitably they assume that a percentage of their profits will be eaten by shoplifting. They factor in this loss when they set their prices, so sadly we are all paying extra thanks to the criminal minority.

    Similarly you can try using passwords or having legitimate users register to use your product, but inevitably someone will steal it or post it on a black hat forum. As with the department stores you'll just have to factor this loss in when you set your price.

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    • Profile picture of the author ChrisFord
      Think about it as free lead generation.

      Make sure your product promotes and pre-sells ANOTHER of your products, and includes links to the sales letter.

      If they like the one they got for free, they are ten times as likely to buy your next one.

      Make sure you get their email address somehow - have a link in the product to a free download somewhere on your site where they give over their email address in order to download it. Now you have the chance to sell them something else.

      Create an upgraded version of the product, promote it in your product, and tell them they will be emailed the download link for it when it's done - link to email capture URL.

      It's not stealing if you end up with sales you otherwise would never have had.

      Plan for the front end (first product) to go viral from the get-go, and organise your whole strategy around making money on the back end, via email sales of upgrades and other products, or an ongoing subscription for a monthly update/value add of some kind.

      Then when you see your product on a share-ware site, you will be laughing, not raging ...
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Ayres
    Just forget about it and move on
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  • Profile picture of the author CPA
    ^

    Agreed. The big boys like adobe and microsoft seem like they don't care their product being shared on warez boards. But they still make the big bucks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Teenage Genius
    There is no real way you can prevent it from happening, so see the positive in that they are promoting you and viewing your products.
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  • Profile picture of the author fouzie
    Like some other says you can't do anything about it, the more you're trying to protect it, the more your product get stolen.
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  • Profile picture of the author Star69
    Someone thinking my product is good enough to steal? I'd almost take that as a compliment!

    Please, steal my ebooks! Spread the link to the entire world and advertise my other products for me! I'd absolutely love all the extra (free) traffic!

    I'm just one guy, but imagine having an entire army of thieves spreading my links around! Why, that'd be just like an affiliate program only without Clickbank!

    Like has been said, when life hands you lemons, make lemonaide! You'll go a lot farther with a positive mindset.
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  • Profile picture of the author GoGetta
    Tristan,

    The same thing happened to me recently. Just out of interest, some black hat forums have "Do Not Share" Lists. Get on them and you will stop it being shared on certain forums.

    Maybe worth a try!

    GoGetta
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  • Profile picture of the author RandyW32
    I am sorry bro there is absolutely nothing you can do You can make threats and stuff... that usually works well for me... and mentioning to them the word sue
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  • Profile picture of the author Tristan Bull
    Thanks guys for the feedback and advice.

    I have some what of a different problem. There is some dude on another forum who is claiming to be me and selling my stuff.

    He has been called out and people have said that he is not really me but cmon this kind of thing can get annoying after a while!
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