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by deuces81 48 replies
So I have hostgator, and I have 5 domains.

1 of those 5 domains is the main domain. The others are "add-on" domains.

The add-on domains are all linked to this domain....

maindomain.com/add-ondomain1.com
maindomain.com/add-ondomain2.com
maindomain.com/add-ondomain3.com
maindomain.com/add-ondomain4.com

As a result of this, a google search for the "main domain" will bring hits showing my add-on domains...ruining my privacy.

How do I make it so that all my domains are completely separate and won't link to one another?
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  • Profile picture of the author davejug1
    If that is your internal directory structure then it looks like it's fine.

    Are you saying Google has indexed it as a sub-directory?
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    • Profile picture of the author deuces81
      Originally Posted by davejug1 View Post

      If that is your internal directory structure then it looks like it's fine.

      Are you saying Google has indexed it as a sub-directory?

      If I type "maindomain.com" into google or "add-ondomain.com" into google some of the hits will show that they are linked.

      That is, some of the hits will be maindomain.com/add-ondomain.com.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Fullman
    Hi,

    Your other domains are all 'subdomains' of the main domain.

    Unless I'm missing something, of course Google will treat them as a single domain.

    Because linked or not, they *all* share the same domain name.

    You ought to split them into different www addresses, e.g.

    maindomain.com
    anotherdomain.com
    yetanotherdomain.com

    HTH,
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    • Profile picture of the author deuces81
      Originally Posted by Steven Fullman View Post

      Hi,

      Your other domains are all 'subdomains' of the main domain.

      Unless I'm missing something, of course Google will treat them as a single domain.

      Because linked or not, they *all* share the same domain name.

      You ought to split them into different www addresses, e.g.

      maindomain.com
      anotherdomain.com
      yetanotherdomain.com

      HTH,
      Steve

      How does one do this?

      In the hostgator control panal, I went to add-on domain. I typed in my new domain, and automatically some of the boxes filled in and made the domains linked.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Fullman
        Originally Posted by sexyandiknowit View Post

        How does one do this?

        In the hostgator control panal, I went to add-on domain. I typed in my new domain, and automatically some of the boxes filled in and made the domains linked.
        You'll need to purchase new domain names.

        Only then will they be separate entities.

        At the moment you have ONE domain name with different subdomains.

        HTH,
        Steve
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        • Profile picture of the author deuces81
          Originally Posted by Steven Fullman View Post

          You'll need to purchase new domain names.

          Only then will they be separate entities.

          At the moment you have ONE domain name with different subdomains.

          HTH,
          Steve

          I bought 5 domains from godaddy.

          I'm attempting to host all of them under one hosting account (I think it's the "baby plan" ) at hostgator.

          I just don't want them to be linked.
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          • Profile picture of the author Steven Fullman
            Originally Posted by sexyandiknowit View Post

            I bought 5 domains from godaddy.

            I'm attempting to host all of them under one hosting account (I think it's the "baby plan" ) at hostgator.

            I just don't want them to be linked.
            That's fine.

            Each domain need to have its own DNS entry...which basically means you need to give each of them a 'nameserver' address (wherever you bought them, e.g. GoDaddy)

            Then you need to set them up as separate domains in your hosting account.

            HTH,
            Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author davejug1
    Problem with your DNS then. Looks like your domain isn't pointing correctly.

    Pointing is done in your control panel. If you can't find it send a support ticket as they will "point" you in the right direction.
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    • Profile picture of the author deuces81
      Originally Posted by davejug1 View Post

      Problem with your DNS then. Looks like your domain isn't pointing correctly.

      Pointing is done in your control panel. If you can't find it send a support ticket as they will "point" you in the right direction.

      I've tried live chat support 3 different times for this issue already over the last month and a half. No success.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
        Originally Posted by sexyandiknowit View Post

        I've tried live chat support 3 different times for this issue already over the last month and a half. No success.
        Did you do that with your domain registrar? That is where you would point your DNS, not necessarily hostgator.

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        • Profile picture of the author davejug1
          Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

          Did you do that with your domain registrar? That is where you would point your DNS, not necessarily hostgator.

          Rob
          Very good point Rob. OP have you even setup your nameservers with your registrar?
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          • Profile picture of the author deuces81
            Originally Posted by davejug1 View Post

            Very good point Rob. OP have you even setup your nameservers with your registrar?
            I copied the hostgator name servers into the godaddy domains page back when I set it all up.
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          • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
            Originally Posted by davejug1 View Post

            Very good point Rob. OP have you even setup your nameservers with your registrar?
            I bet that's it. Never set the nameserver at the domain registrar. So when you add the add-on domain, google never see's the actual domain.

            Rob
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            • Profile picture of the author deuces81
              Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

              I bet that's it. Never set the nameserver at the domain registrar. So when you add the add-on domain, google never see's the actual domain.

              Rob

              Well I was told to by some chat support guy....don't remember which company.

              So you're saying that I should delete the hostgator nameservers over at my godaddy account page?
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        • Profile picture of the author deuces81
          Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

          Did you do that with your domain registrar? That is where you would point your DNS, not necessarily hostgator.

          Rob

          no i didn't

          godaddy is the registrar, hostgator is the host
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  • Profile picture of the author davejug1
    Some people are not worth what they are paid, they may be lost in your babble.

    Tell them like this "I need domainA.url to point to /directoryA, DomainB.url to point to /DirectoryB etc etc etc
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
    I would get a hold of godaddy then. There may be a problem with the domain name pointing the right place.

    Hostgator can't fix that - only godaddy can.

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  • Profile picture of the author itsohsoeazy
    I read somewhere on here (i apologize that i don't have a link), that the only way to have separate domains with hostgator is to have a "reseller" account($25/ month i think).

    That will give you Individual www.domain1.com, www.domain2.com etc. Without linking them to each other.

    I encountered this problem as well when finally taking some action and getting domains registered and setting them up yesterday.

    If you find a solution please let us know!
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  • Profile picture of the author HD
    Thank you, thank you, thank you for posting this question as I'm facing the same problem and not too sure how to ask for help.

    You were faced with the hostgator chat three times??? Feel sorry for you and hope you had plenty of aspirin for that headache.

    If no solution and/or easy fix, my solution will be to continue to hold my business hostgator account as well as purchase an addition hatchling plan for that one domain I wish to have completely separate. Sad, huh?
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
    Guys, I have a shared (and a VPS) with hostgator for 5 years and I have never had that problem.

    It sounds like something is not set up right with the domain name. Going to the registrar (in this case, godaddy) is your best option for resolution.

    Rob
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
      Yeah Rob but she is using a single shared hosting account like baby gator and simply doing add on domains. The only NS she will have is her main dot com NS


      Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

      Guys, I have a shared (and a VPS) with hostgator for 5 years and I have never had that problem.

      It sounds like something is not set up right with the domain name. Going to the registrar (in this case, godaddy) is your best option for resolution.

      Rob
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      • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
        Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

        Yeah Rob but she is using a single shared hosting account like baby gator and simply doing add on domains. The only NS she will have is her main dot com NS
        AH. Yup! That'll do it.

        She needs at least a business account I think. Otherwise they all show up as under one domain.

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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    If I am not mistaken she is using one shared hosting account and just adding the domains to the main account .. this is different than sub-domains. As long as she is riding on this main account ... the URL will remain the same.

    If you are going to run that many domains .. try reseller accounts. Add on domains are one of the biggest security threats for gaining access to your actual hosting account.
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  • Profile picture of the author rondo
    Situation normal. That's how addon domains work.

    Now, to make them appear as separate sites and to achieve your desired outcome in the search results there a couple of things you can do.

    1. Go to Google webmaster tools and add each site with it's maindomain.com so Google knows to index them as separte sites.

    2. Start building links to your main domains, and never build links to maindomain.com/add-ondomain1.com or add-ondomain1.maindomain.com


    It might take a few days for you to see the results.


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    • Profile picture of the author deuces81
      Originally Posted by rondo View Post

      Situation normal. That's how addon domains work.

      Now, to make them appear as separate sites and to achieve your desired outcome in the search results there a couple of things you can do.

      1. Go to Google webmaster tools and add each site with it's maindomain.com so Google knows to index them as separte sites.

      2. Start building links to your main domains, and never build links to maindomain.com/add-ondomain1.com or add-ondomain1.maindomain.com


      It might take a few days for you to see the results.


      Andrew

      Yeah...but they'll still appear, just not on the first page of hits.
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      • Profile picture of the author rondo
        Originally Posted by sexyandiknowit View Post

        Yeah...but they'll still appear, just not on the first page of hits.
        Well they will always exist. Nothing you can do about that.

        I gave you a solution but if you still don't like add-on domains then get a reseller account.


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  • Profile picture of the author davejug1
    Add-on domains these are Troy, they do indeed reside in subdirectories within the internal structure, but if they are pointed correctly then they act as independently of each other.
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
      I ran into the same problem a few years back with a baby account .. their support told me I would have to go for the Business or enterprise accounts at minimum to have multiple NS.

      For the price of Enterprise .. it was just easier for me to go with a reseller with wham.


      Originally Posted by davejug1 View Post

      Add-on domains these are Troy, they do indeed reside in subdirectories within the internal structure, but if they are pointed correctly then they act as independently of each other.
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      • Profile picture of the author deuces81
        Does any company offer a cheap hosting plan where you can keep your domains totally separate?

        I'd like to stay under $10/month.
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        • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
          That would be $2 each for your 5 sites .... if they did it would be an account with very low storage and bandwidth.


          Originally Posted by sexyandiknowit View Post

          Does any company offer a cheap hosting plan where you can keep your domains totally separate?

          I'd like to stay under $10/month.
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    Ad on domains appear as maindomaindotcom/addondomain .... Sub domain would read sub-domain.maindomaindotcom
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    • Profile picture of the author deuces81
      Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

      Ad on domains appear as maindomaindotcom/addondomain .... Sub domain would read sub-domain.maindomaindotcom

      In the hostgator control panal, when I went to "add-on domains" and entered my new domain names it automatically created the add-on domain as a subdomain too.

      In the "add-on domain" link, there is a box that says "subdomain" and it automatically fills in when you enter an add-on domain. It fills in the sub-domain box with something like maindomain.com/addondomain.com
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      • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
        Yeah ... the auto install does that .. it is actually a lot easier to rank a sub-domain as compared to an add on also. Google takes the first word in a string and somewhat ignores the suffixes ....

        So articlemarketing.mysite. com will rank easier than mysite. com/articlemarketing



        Originally Posted by sexyandiknowit View Post

        In the hostgator control panal, when I went to "add-on domains" and entered my new domain names it automatically created the add-on domain as a subdomain too.

        In the "add-on domain" link, there is a box that says "subdomain" and it automatically fills in when you enter an add-on domain. It fills in the sub-domain box with something like maindomain.com/addondomain.com
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  • Profile picture of the author Ord Allenbea
    Never have add-on domains (one of the biggest mistake marketers make). Get a reseller accounts, vps, or dedicated server and you can keep all accounts apart from one another.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
    The business plan is 11.96 a month if you pay monthly...I currently pay 14.99 for the business plan and it's worth it. (Also have a VPS for 50 a month)

    It's $1.96 over your 10 dollar budget and you won't have any of these problems.

    Don't go cheap on, what is effectively, your storefront.

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  • Profile picture of the author bndr
    You don't have to pay money, here is a solution:

    Go to your main domains .htaccess file (located in root folder of site) and add:

    RewriteEngine On
    RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^(www.)?your_main_domain.com$ [NC]
    RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} ^/add-on_domain.COM_folder/(.*)$
    RewriteRule ^(.*)$ - [L,R=404]

    For multiple domains:

    RewriteEngine On
    RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^(www.)?YOUR_MAIN_DOMAIN.com$ [NC]
    RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} ^/ADDON_DOMAIN_1/(.*)$ [OR]
    RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} ^/ADDON_DOMAIN_2/(.*)$ [OR]
    RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} ^/ADDON_DOMAIN_3/(.*)$
    RewriteRule ^(.*)$ - [L,R=404]


    This will through a 404 error everytime someone tries to enteter your addon domain through main domain.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Fullman
      Yeah fine...nice code

      But it doesn't stop Google seeing it as a single domain.

      ...which was the OP's point.

      Cheers,
      Steve

      Originally Posted by bndr View Post

      You don't have to pay money, here is a solution:

      Go to your main domains .htaccess file (located in root folder of site) and add:

      RewriteEngine On
      RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^(www.)?your_main_domain.com$ [NC]
      RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} ^/add-on_domain.COM_folder/(.*)$
      RewriteRule ^(.*)$ - [L,R=404]

      For multiple domains:

      RewriteEngine On
      RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^(www.)?YOUR_MAIN_DOMAIN.com$ [NC]
      RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} ^/ADDON_DOMAIN_1/(.*)$ [OR]
      RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} ^/ADDON_DOMAIN_2/(.*)$ [OR]
      RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} ^/ADDON_DOMAIN_3/(.*)$
      RewriteRule ^(.*)$ - [L,R=404]


      This will through a 404 error everytime someone tries to enteter your addon domain through main domain.
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      • Profile picture of the author bndr
        Originally Posted by Steven Fullman View Post

        Yeah fine...nice code

        But it doesn't stop Google seeing it as a single domain.

        ...which was the OP's point.

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        it does.

        I used it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Fullman
          Originally Posted by bndr View Post

          it does.

          I used it.
          I don't want to argue the point...



          But an htaccess file can *only* influence its root domain.

          It can't fool Google into thinking a subdomain is a completely different domain.

          Ever.

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    • Profile picture of the author Ord Allenbea
      You keep your add-on domains and I will keep my dedicated server, wonder which one ranks better :rolleyes:

      Paying money for business is what people need to understand. Many people seem to be under the "free" impression that a business cost $0 to run. It is true that you can build a online business cheaper than offline but the fact is it still cost money.

      Taking shortcuts is not always the best course of action.


      Originally Posted by bndr View Post

      You don't have to pay money, here is a solution:

      Go to your main domains .htaccess file (located in root folder of site) and add:

      RewriteEngine On
      RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^(www.)?your_main_domain.com$ [NC]
      RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} ^/add-on_domain.COM_folder/(.*)$
      RewriteRule ^(.*)$ - [L,R=404]

      For multiple domains:

      RewriteEngine On
      RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^(www.)?YOUR_MAIN_DOMAIN.com$ [NC]
      RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} ^/ADDON_DOMAIN_1/(.*)$ [OR]
      RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} ^/ADDON_DOMAIN_2/(.*)$ [OR]
      RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} ^/ADDON_DOMAIN_3/(.*)$
      RewriteRule ^(.*)$ - [L,R=404]


      This will through a 404 error everytime someone tries to enteter your addon domain through main domain.
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      • Profile picture of the author bndr
        Originally Posted by Ord Allenbea View Post

        You keep your add-on domains and I will keep my dedicated server, wonder which one ranks better :rolleyes:

        Paying money for business is what people need to understand. Many people seem to be under the "free" impression that a business cost $0 to run. It is true that you can build a online business cheaper than offline but the fact is it still cost money.

        Taking shortcuts is not always the best course of action.

        It doesn't mean u have to pay 200$ for a dedicated server just to host a website that has 2 visitors a day.

        Your own server or a shared hosting doesn't matter. (as long as your site speed is good, and there are not many spamming sites on the same IP)

        The method that i posted is a working solution, I used it myself. (I used to have addondomain.maindomain.com appear in search results when I search for "addondomain", then i used this method, and after a while it disappeared)

        Google does not see the domain.com/domain because you give away a 404. (or you can make a 301 redirect)
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        • Profile picture of the author deuces81
          Originally Posted by bndr View Post

          It doesn't mean u have to pay 200$ for a dedicated server just to host a website that has 2 visitors a day.

          Your own server or a shared hosting doesn't matter. (as long as your site speed is good, and there are not many spamming sites on the same IP)

          The method that i posted is a working solution, I used it myself. (I used to have addondomain.maindomain.com appear in search results when I search for "addondomain", then i used this method, and after a while it disappeared)

          Google does not see the domain.com/domain because you give away a 404. (or you can make a 301 redirect)
          I want to try this out.

          Is this what I do (?)...

          I went to file manager --> (web root or document root?) ---> .htaccess -->Save as---> open in notepad--->delete everything inside---> copy/paste what you wrote and replace with my domain names-->replace old .htaccess with new .htaccess

          Note: web root and document root both have .htaccess and it is exactly the same file size. So do I do this procedure twice, once for each of web root and document room?
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        • Profile picture of the author Ord Allenbea
          I have dedicated because I have well over 300+ websites that all get traffic. Dedicated makes more of a difference than what you think, many huge benefits and speed is one of those benefits.

          My opinion (and I been here for longer than most) add-on domains are the dumbest things you could use for your business. So much easier to maintain and run websites that are not all slapped under the same cpanel, same ftp, same phpmyadmin.

          Not to mention Google will soon release a tweak to their search about add-on domains and sub-domains (that is what is in the grapevine, we will see how that pans out).

          Originally Posted by bndr View Post

          It doesn't mean u have to pay 200$ for a dedicated server just to host a website that has 2 visitors a day.

          Your own server or a shared hosting doesn't matter. (as long as your site speed is good, and there are not many spamming sites on the same IP)

          The method that i posted is a working solution, I used it myself. (I used to have addondomain.maindomain.com appear in search results when I search for "addondomain", then i used this method, and after a while it disappeared)

          Google does not see the domain.com/domain because you give away a 404. (or you can make a 301 redirect)
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  • Profile picture of the author steven Clayden
    I have the babyplan. I have my main domain and 1 other addon domain. I have not had this problem. Did you watch the video on how to set up an addon domain in cpanel?
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  • Profile picture of the author UMS
    What a lot of confusion and misunderstanding in this thread.

    Simply put, any shared hosting plan with cpanel access will create a sub-domain of your primary domain name when you add a addon domain.

    That's just the way they work. If you want true separation, get a reseller, VPS or dedicated server.

    Now, to the main question which was related to whether Google knows or indexes these sub-domains, the answer is it depends.

    Certainly if you have a link to one of the sub-domains, it will be indexed.

    Suggest you read through this HG post regardsing addon domains:

    Does Google work with addon domains? « HostGator.com Support Portal
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    • Profile picture of the author rondo
      Originally Posted by UMS View Post

      What a lot of confusion and misunderstanding in this thread.

      Simply put, any shared hosting plan with cpanel access will create a sub-domain of your primary domain name when you add a addon domain.

      That's just the way they work. If you want true separation, get a reseller, VPS or dedicated server.

      Now, to the main question which was related to whether Google knows or indexes these sub-domains, the answer is it depends.

      Certainly if you have a link to one of the sub-domains, it will be indexed.

      Suggest you read through this HG post regardsing addon domains:

      Does Google work with addon domains? « HostGator.com Support Portal

      Well I gave basically the same answer an hour ago but the OP didin't seem to like it much.

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    Originally Posted by sexyandiknowit View Post

    Why doesn't anyone know the answer to this question?
    They do.

    They just don't agree about it. :p
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  • Profile picture of the author Landoy
    Its the same site, when google crawles your site, it will crawl all you sub domains and index them to. Just get other domains. 1 Website is just 1 website
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