I purchased private registration but my domain records still shows the DNS's. why?!

by sam770
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Guys,
Can someone explain why a domain's DNS records can still be seen although it has private registration?
I have many domains, they all show "domain by proxy" (I purchased the privacy at godaddy) but the DNS can be seen by anyone?

I called godaddy, they said that the privacy covers only the contact details not the dns...

But I am almost sure that I saw domains that are fully private.

What is going on here?
#dns #domain #private #purchased #records #registration #shows
  • Profile picture of the author RevenueRabbi
    how can the DNS be private?

    if you are using shared DNS for all your sites it is reverse trackable if any of the sites are not hidden with privacy.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by sam770 View Post

    Can someone explain why a domain's DNS records can still be seen although it has private registration?
    Because email uses DNS servers to find mail exchangers and trace return paths. If your DNS records were concealed, your domain could neither send nor receive email.
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    • Profile picture of the author athenistic
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      Because email uses DNS servers to find mail exchangers and trace return paths. If your DNS records were concealed, your domain could neither send nor receive email.
      .. or your website, FTP and everything else related to your hosting space.
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  • Profile picture of the author wizzard74
    You are paying for the privilege of hiding your name and address, nothing else.

    As already pointed out, you cannot hide your DNS entries.
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  • Profile picture of the author sam770
    I host with hostgator and the domains are on godaddy
    I have a chat with hostgator agent and thats what he told me:




    (9:46:30pm)Stanley T.:Quite alright, Ziv. One way I know godaddy can sort of make those records 'private' is to go through the domaincontrol nameservers but point A records to us.
    (9:47:46pm)Sam:what does it means?A records?
    (9:48:07pm)Stanley T.:You would point a special A record to the IP of your cPanel. This would effectively direct the domain from godaddy to us. You would also have to do it individually for MX records for mail.
    (9:48:16pm)Stanley T.:A records are DNS records for IP addresses.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Ward
    What difference does it makes if you have your DNS showing, especially if you're using something like GoDaddy or HostGator DNS?
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  • Profile picture of the author sam770
    guys
    I just saw this solution: [SOLVED] How can i hide my DNS for my domain name? - Tech Support Guy Forums
    What do you think?
    Anyone tried that?
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  • Profile picture of the author wizzard74
    I don't see what your big hang up is about concealing your DNS nameservers, you will find that there will probably be hundreds of websites using those DNS servers, as long as your contact details aren't on show, I don't see the problem.

    Don't try and complicate things for the sake of your DNS servers showing, you cannot be individually identified by them.
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    • Profile picture of the author sam770
      Richard,
      My time is valuable!
      If I am looking for a solution its probably because I really need it...
      I have no time to waste on non important stuff


      Originally Posted by wizzard74 View Post

      I don't see what your big hang up is about concealing your DNS nameservers, you will find that there will probably be hundreds of websites using those DNS servers, as long as your contact details aren't on show, I don't see the problem.

      Don't try and complicate things for the sake of your DNS servers showing, you cannot be individually identified by them.
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      • Profile picture of the author wizzard74
        Originally Posted by sam770 View Post

        Richard,
        My time is valuable!
        If I am looking for a solution its probably because I really need it...
        I have no time to waste on non important stuff
        Surely growing your business is more important
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      • Profile picture of the author theimdude
        Originally Posted by sam770 View Post

        Richard,
        My time is valuable!
        If I am looking for a solution its probably because I really need it...
        I have no time to waste on non important stuff
        Not sure why you bother but you can hide the name severs by adding private nameservers to you domain but if you do a reverse dns you will find the host anyway.

        Here how it is done but if you battle to understand what a "a record" is then not sure if you will catch this.

        1) Login to you godaddy account
        2) Select you domain in the domains panel
        3) Open the selected domain
        4) Scroll down to the bottom to "host summary" and click on add
        5) Add your name sever prefix "ns1"
        6) enter your domain ip
        7) Add your 2nd name server prefix "ns2"
        8) enter your domain ip (same as above will work)
        9) Scroll back up and enter your new nameservers ns1. yourdomainname .com and ns2 . yourdomainname .com
        10) Wait 24 hours for change to take place and you will have private name servers

        So when somebody do a name server check on your domain it will not show ns1 .hostgator .com but ns1 . yourdomainname .com

        Hope that helps
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        • Profile picture of the author revstan
          Originally Posted by theimdude View Post

          Not sure why you bother but you can hide the name severs by adding private nameservers to you domain but if you do a reverse dns you will find the host anyway.

          Here how it is done but if you battle to understand what a "a record" is then not sure if you will catch this.

          1) Login to you godaddy account
          2) Select you domain in the domains panel
          3) Open the selected domain
          4) Scroll down to the bottom to "host summary" and click on add
          5) Add your name sever prefix "ns1"
          6) enter your domain ip
          7) Add your 2nd name server prefix "ns2"
          8) enter your domain ip (same as above will work)
          9) Scroll back up and enter your new nameservers ns1. yourdomainname .com and ns2 . yourdomainname .com
          10) Wait 24 hours for change to take place and you will have private name servers

          So when somebody do a name server check on your domain it will not show ns1 .hostgator .com but ns1 . yourdomainname .com

          Hope that helps
          Thanks for this, was forgotten how it worked.

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          • Profile picture of the author theimdude
            Originally Posted by revstan View Post

            Thanks for this, was forgotten how it worked.

            Simple Stan

            Actually you might have to ask you host to add private nameservers to you domain or might have to edit the dns zone if you have access. I do then when I setup a reseller hosting account and have never bothered to do it for a single domain but I suppose it will look fancy if you name servers match your domain.

            Not sure who will look at it to take notice unless you want to impress your friends and tell them you have a dedi
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        • Profile picture of the author sam770
          Thank you SOOOOO much
          Thats exactly what I was looking for
          Just one question: what do you mean by "Not sure why you bother but you can hide the name severs by adding private nameservers to you domain but if you do a reverse dns you will find the host anyway"?
          How?

          Originally Posted by theimdude View Post

          Not sure why you bother but you can hide the name severs by adding private nameservers to you domain but if you do a reverse dns you will find the host anyway.

          Here how it is done but if you battle to understand what a "a record" is then not sure if you will catch this.

          1) Login to you godaddy account
          2) Select you domain in the domains panel
          3) Open the selected domain
          4) Scroll down to the bottom to "host summary" and click on add
          5) Add your name sever prefix "ns1"
          6) enter your domain ip
          7) Add your 2nd name server prefix "ns2"
          8) enter your domain ip (same as above will work)
          9) Scroll back up and enter your new nameservers ns1. yourdomainname .com and ns2 . yourdomainname .com
          10) Wait 24 hours for change to take place and you will have private name servers

          So when somebody do a name server check on your domain it will not show ns1 .hostgator .com but ns1 . yourdomainname .com

          Hope that helps
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          • Profile picture of the author theimdude
            Originally Posted by sam770 View Post

            Thank you SOOOOO much
            Thats exactly what I was looking for
            Just one question: what do you mean by "Not sure why you bother but you can hide the name severs by adding private nameservers to you domain but if you do a reverse dns you will find the host anyway"?
            How?
            Just like I said, you can have private nameservers but if you do a reverse dns you will get who the host is. I have my own vps using the domain say mydomain.com. Now I have a reseller account on there ptlhosting.com with private nameservers ns1 & ns2.ptlhosting.com like you want. Now if I want to findout where and who the "real" host is then I do a reverse dns by using the ip address. That will bypass your private name servers and show my main domain which is host.mydomain.com
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            • Profile picture of the author sam770
              Yes, but thats the all trick, no?
              That I can have BOTH fake DNS and IP associate with it, so that if people do reverse dns they will get to the IP associate with the fake dns and not with the real ip (of my host).
              Did I miss something?

              Originally Posted by theimdude View Post

              Now if I want to findout where and who the "real" host is then I do a reverse dns by using the ip address.
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              • Profile picture of the author theimdude
                Originally Posted by sam770 View Post

                Yes, but thats the all trick, no?
                That I can have BOTH fake DNS and IP associate with it, so that if people do reverse dns they will get to the IP associate with the fake dns and not with the real ip (of my host).
                Did I miss something?
                There is no such thing as fake dns. It is private dns. The ip if you use reverse dns will resolve to the servers host address which if your host is using the name of the company there is nothing you can do about it like if hostgator which I think they do use there name for the server hostname. I don't host with them so not sure.

                The only way you are really going to hide yourself is if you get a vps or dedicated server as there you setup the hostname and control it yourself. Bear in mind that ip will be assigned to your data center where you server is so if somebody really want to find you they can via the data center but that is not so easy unless it is the FBI

                Who you trying to hide from?
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                • Profile picture of the author sam770
                  First thanks for the clear explanations, I really appreciate that.
                  Secondly, the reason I am trying to hide dns info from domain is because I am dominant in a profitable niche (I have 4 sites on that niche) and I prefer that my competitor will not easily spy on my activity.
                  Once they know the dns of one site they can easily find the others.
                  I think that the best solution will be a combination of private registration to all domains plus hosting each site on a different vps/shared so that they will not be on the same server.
                  BTW that niche has nothing to do with loyalwriter or content

                  Originally Posted by theimdude View Post

                  There is no such thing as fake dns. It is private dns. The ip if you use reverse dns will resolve to the servers host address which if you host is using the name of the company there is nothing you can do about it like if hostgator which I think they do use there name for the server hostname. I don't host with them so not sure.

                  The only way you are really going to hide yourself is if you get a vps or dedicated server as there you setup the hostname and control ot yourself. Bear in mind that ip will be assigned to your data center where you server is so if somebody really want to find you the can via the data center but that is not so easy unless it is the FBI

                  Who you trying to hide from?
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                  • Profile picture of the author theimdude
                    Originally Posted by sam770 View Post

                    First thanks for the clear explanations, I really appreciate that.
                    Secondly, the reason I am trying to hide dns info from domain is because I am dominant in a profitable niche (I have 4 sites on that niche) and I prefer that my competitor will not easily spy on my activity.
                    Once they know the dns of one site they can easily find the others.
                    I think that the best solution will be a combination of private registration to all domains plus hosting each site on a different vps/shared so that they will not be on the same server.
                    BTW that niche has nothing to do with loyalwriter or content

                    I was using that domain to show you how you can find the host. For what you want to do there is no need to then do a vps just get 4 different shared hosting accounts and do a private reg and if you want to do the private nameservers you can do that but not really needed.
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                    • Profile picture of the author sam770
                      vps is for the speed and the cpu resources

                      Originally Posted by theimdude View Post

                      I was using that domain to show you how you can find the host. For what you want to do there is no need to then do a vps just get 4 different shared hosting accounts and do a private reg and if you want to do the private nameservers you can do that but not really needed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shoot
    aka he wants to hide the rest of his sites he has on the same DNS's.
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  • Profile picture of the author theimdude
    If you goto this website Reverse DNS Lookup and enter your ip for your website you will see what I mean.
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    Why do you want to hide the DNS so bad?
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  • Profile picture of the author theimdude
    Here is the results for your ip that is used in the domain in your signature

    50.22.71.32 resolves to
    "ns2720.hostgator.com"
    Top Level Domain: "hostgator.com"

    so even if you add ns1.loyalwriter.com and ns2.loyalwriter.com it will always resolve to ns2720.hostgator.com if you do a reverse dns
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  • Profile picture of the author theimdude
    This conclude our lesson on how you cannot hide your website location
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  • Profile picture of the author theimdude
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