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i just read this thread http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...usinesses.html

now i know i could have reponded in the thread but hers my twist

1. you build the site
2. you seo it
3.prove the trafic
4 prove the leads
5.rent it to the highest bidder in your town / city

now you own the real estate and the business pays you forever and ever


so taking witney as an example ( love the place lived there 10 years ago)


Burtie owns Witney Accountants | Accountants in Witney Oxfordshire and his thead is trying to sell the site /domain

my twist

offer it to the highest bidder per month
all you do is visit all the acountants in you area
till one of then says yes after that you just keep it high in the serps
if you can provide leads to the business
you should be able to rent it for over a $1000
and Burtie is looking for a one time profit of 300 odd

ill stiick with my twist

love to you all
#gold #madness or and #mine #mygoldmine #offline #twist
  • Profile picture of the author JohnMac
    Rent it for a $1,000....is that a month or year....????

    John
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    • Profile picture of the author Wah Bhatti
      Originally Posted by JohnMac View Post

      Rent it for a $1,000....is that a month or year....????

      John
      if the leads are good per month hey what does an acountant need to make more than that
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  • Profile picture of the author Pete Egeler
    Your "twist" is, and has been done by many of us in this area since we first started out several months ago.

    Gotta tell you though, you're dreaming at $1000 rental when you can own a site for that kind of money.

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    • Profile picture of the author Wah Bhatti
      Originally Posted by Pete Egeler View Post

      Your "twist" is, and has been done by many of us in this area since we first started out several months ago.

      Gotta tell you though, you're dreaming at $1000 rental when you can own a site for that kind of money.

      Pete

      i agree peter you dream it then you believe it then it happens gald your a beliver of the powers of the law of attraction
      you delever leads and you client will pay trust me ofline businesss want set and fotget login and take leads
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      • Profile picture of the author richdirtygirl
        Originally Posted by Wah Bhatti View Post

        if the leads are good per month hey what does an acountant need to make more than that
        hi honey!!

        nice seeing you here...

        mmmm... this is an idea or you actually did it? It is viable, but for this case you will have to make a choice:

        for that money you will have to add service to the package: webmaster services and/or ongoing promotion of the site.

        A site can fall fast in a niche with good conversation without love.

        And the renter is paying that money because he/she doesn't know better.

        I know you already have the machine in place to do it, so the numbers can work nicely.

        The other option is not to have that service. In that case, you can only actually charge for hosting and tech maintenance. The most you can charge a month and keep the good karma around is $20-$50 a month.

        In your case i would go for the first option. You can use your team to take care of it.

        RDG
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        • Profile picture of the author Wah Bhatti
          Originally Posted by richdirtygirl View Post

          hi honey!!

          nice seeing you here...

          mmmm... this is an idea or you actually did it? It is viable, but for this case you will have to make a choice:

          for that money you will have to add service to the package: webmaster services and/or ongoing promotion of the site.

          A site can fall fast in a niche with good conversation without love.

          And the renter is paying that money because he/she doesn't know better.

          I know you already have the machine in place to do it, so the numbers can work nicely.

          The other option is not to have that service. In that case, you can only actually charge for hosting and tech maintenance. The most you can charge a month and keep the good karma around is $20-$50 a month.

          In your case i would go for the first option. You can use your team to take care of it.

          RDG


          done rented for for 800 last month

          client now wants to buy own site

          £sterling 1500 + 150per month upkeep
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          • Originally Posted by Wah Bhatti View Post

            done rented for for 800 last month

            client now wants to buy own site

            £sterling 1500 + 150per month upkeep
            800 for the site the way it is? That is crazy, but good job!
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Sherman
      Originally Posted by Pete Egeler View Post

      Your "twist" is, and has been done by many of us in this area since we first started out several months ago.

      Gotta tell you though, you're dreaming at $1000 rental when you can own a site for that kind of money.

      Pete
      Pete's right. This isn't an original idea. However, don't listen to his claim that the OP's price point is outlandish. If the business generated for the business from the leads the site produces is large enough, the price is more than justifiable.

      And just try to find me someplace where I can buy a site for $1000 that is already ranking for my local keywords.
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      • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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        Originally Posted by Dan Sherman View Post

        Pete's right. This isn't an original idea. However, don't listen to his claim that the OP's price point is outlandish. If the business generated for the business from the leads the site produces is large enough, the price is more than justifiable.

        And just try to find me someplace where I can buy a site for $1000 that is already ranking for my local keywords.
        How about the OP's site? He/she is selling it for 360 pounds, which, I believe, is less than $1,000. If $1,000 a month isn't outlandish, someone ought to pick up that bargain ASAP.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ann Bedwell
        So what would be the advantage of "renting" the site to someone else? ( I am new...) Would you still get residual income from it?
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        • Profile picture of the author Wah Bhatti
          sites built we seo it its indexed it will go up for rent again next month

          it brings in leads dont spam the site please

          thead started with a business in witney

          so we built it picked a niche and sent some foot solders

          Cotswold Window Company


          pop ups like that for the next 24 hour in case you guy kill it


          i love a challenge
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          • Originally Posted by Wah Bhatti View Post

            sites built we seo it its indexed it will go up for rent again next month

            it brings in leads dont spam the site please

            thead started with a business in witney

            so we built it picked a niche and sent some foot solders

            Cotswold Window Company


            pop ups like that for the next 24 hour in case you guy kill it


            i love a challenge
            I think your pop up is messed up! It pops up low, only exposing the top. And when you scroll down on the site, the pop up stays to low.

            I had to leave the site as there was o way to close the pop up, but I think the site looked pretty good.
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            • Profile picture of the author Wah Bhatti
              Originally Posted by shkad14 View Post

              I think your pop up is messed up! It pops up low, only exposing the top. And when you scroll down on the site, the pop up stays to low.

              I had to leave the site as there was o way to close the pop up, but I think the site looked pretty good.


              pop ups like that so you guys dont ruin my business lol look at my post above


              i made the post and and was challenged so thats my resonce


              its a wp site local google business indexed and i thing no. 4 in us google for its sech term the renter had so many leads he commissioned his own site

              so this will go for rent again in 2 months

              sorry about the pop up
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              • Profile picture of the author JQAdams
                Using sites I setup and install for online marketers and others as examples, I have begun contacting local businesses with "sample" sites for them to look at.

                Since I use JV Manager or Butterfly Marketing for most of my sites, potential customers get to see all the great possibilities. Interest has been slow so far but, then again, I am just starting out with this idea. With the economy going into a tailspin, I see it as a very high-potential endeavor.

                Thanks for the idea Wah!
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                • Profile picture of the author Wah Bhatti
                  just had a call fom a witney company rented at 800£ for next month also
                  they start march 1st so plese dont kill the site as we did a live link here just to show you guys
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  • Profile picture of the author mookinman
    If you want to make a load of money selling websites, get some cards printed, dust off your suit, and start knocking on the doors of local businesses. Salons, tattoo parlours, bars, bed and breakfast hotels, tanning shops... I bag web design contracts every week by doing this.

    Only problem is, it's bloody cold!!
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    • Profile picture of the author LonNaylor
      I really like the idea of owning the real estate and renting it!

      Not sure about $1000 but certainly it may be possible...or at least a profitable number could be had I would think.

      Love to hear how it goes Wah!
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    • Profile picture of the author Mickey Wong
      Originally Posted by mookinman View Post

      If you want to make a load of money selling websites, get some cards printed, dust off your suit, and start knocking on the doors of local businesses. Salons, tattoo parlours, bars, bed and breakfast hotels, tanning shops... I bag web design contracts every week by doing this.
      I totally agree with you there, David. When I started the offline thing, I used a combination of direct mail and got out there to talk to business owners. Now I get constant enquiries from local businesses because they can see what I've done for businesses next door to them. Plus all the glowing testimonials and word-of-mouth helps! It's Tuesday and already 4 enquiries.

      You'd have to test it but I didn't go the suit way. I dressed smart casual (jeans and jacket). My thinking was that since these businesses are pitched practically every day by sales reps, who are all suited up, I didn't want to get lumped into that group.

      Striking up a conversation when dressed smart but casual seems to be less intimidating for business owners. Plus, a suit doesn't figure into the stereotypical image of a web 'geek'. So there aren't any barriers that would normally go up when approached by a suited sales person.

      Works for me.


      Originally Posted by mookinman View Post

      Only problem is, it's bloody cold!!
      I know what you mean. It's it a bit frosty and wet here in London. Popped out for some milk and cat food today and got splashed by a passing bus!
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      • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
        Originally Posted by Mickey Wong View Post

        When I started the offline thing, I used a combination of direct mail and got out there to talk to business owners. Now I get constant enquiries from local businesses because they can see what I've done for businesses next door to them. Plus all the glowing testimonials and word-of-mouth helps! It's Tuesday and already 4 enquiries.

        The majority of people who made a full time living fast selling their services to local businesses are those who were willing to just go talk to business owners.

        To be fair many of those started by simply talking to business owners they already knew or their friends knew.

        Sometimes you can try to be too clever.

        If you have a service that's valuable to brick and mortar businesses (and as an internet marketer you do) then the quickest way from A to B is to just go talk to them about it.

        Kindest regards,
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        • Profile picture of the author Mickey Wong
          Andrew,

          I had a thought earlier about proposals because I'm about to put one together for a potential client (not local). Not one of my favorite ways of spending my time!

          Except for instances where I offered a choice of (service) packages, I've always put proposals together after initial meeting(s) and discussions that lay out what I'm going to do for a client. I do draw up proposals for local clients and always include a cover letter. I treat both like a salesletter. These usually seal the deal.

          What's your take on proposals, especially for local small businesses? Do you do or have you ever done this?

          If I can just walk out of a business with a fat cheque, and not have to spend time on a proposal, then what's the 'secret'? ;o)

          Thanks,
          Mickey
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          • Profile picture of the author jan roos
            Originally Posted by Mickey Wong View Post

            Andrew,

            I had a thought earlier about proposals because I'm about to put one together for a potential client (not local). Not one of my favorite ways of spending my time!

            Except for instances where I offered a choice of (service) packages, I've always put proposals together after initial meeting(s) and discussions that lay out what I'm going to do for a client. I do draw up proposals for local clients and always include a cover letter. I treat both like a salesletter. These usually seal the deal.

            What's your take on proposals, especially for local small businesses? Do you do or have you ever done this?

            If I can just walk out of a business with a fat cheque, and not have to spend time on a proposal, then what's the 'secret'? ;o)

            Thanks,
            Mickey
            Here is what I did the other day. I'm not sure if it is the "right" way but it sealed the deal for me. $1800 for a simple 3 page website and some seo.

            The business owner had a proposal in fron of him from a different web design company and was reading it all to me. In there they had number iof pages for site, and all kinds of stuff that the business owner didnt really understand. He asked me for my proposal and I said to him that mine is simple. " I'll build you a website of around 4 or 5 pages which is all you'll need, I'll show it to you and if you dont like anything I'll change it and show it to you again untill you like the website. Then I'll do some keyword research and and optimize your site and do some SEO promotion. He said he'd like to come up in the SE for "used pipe california" etc. I said I'll do it for $2100 and he talked me down to $1800

            I dont know if this was the right way but it got the deal for me. I kept things as non technical as possible for the business owner and he liked it.

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            • Profile picture of the author Mickey Wong
              Originally Posted by jan roos View Post

              Here is what I did the other day. I'm not sure if it is the "right" way but it sealed the deal for me. $1800 for a simple 3 page website and some seo.

              The business owner had a proposal in fron of him from a different web design company and was reading it all to me. In there they had number iof pages for site, and all kinds of stuff that the business owner didnt really understand. He asked me for my proposal and I said to him that mine is simple. " I'll build you a website of around 4 or 5 pages which is all you'll need, I'll show it to you and if you dont like anything I'll change it and show it to you again untill you like the website. Then I'll do some keyword research and and optimize your site and do some SEO promotion. He said he'd like to come up in the SE for "used pipe california" etc. I said I'll do it for $2100 and he talked me down to $1800

              I dont know if this was the right way but it got the deal for me. I kept things as non technical as possible for the business owner and he liked it.

              Cheers

              Hey, if that works for you, Jan, then keep at it. Sounds like a hell of a lot less work, time and effort involved than how I do it.

              I always keep things as non technical as possible because I know how little most of them know. Besides, I have a simple mind too and, what with old age setting in, it's difficult to recall all that jargon anyway!

              I like your approach. It's simple, straightforward, quick and easy. I'll give it a shot. I might have to keep the surprised look on my face under control though when it works!

              Cheers for that. That's a good one.

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          • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
            Originally Posted by Mickey Wong View Post

            Andrew,

            I had a thought earlier about proposals because I'm about to put one together for a potential client (not local). Not one of my favorite ways of spending my time!

            Except for instances where I offered a choice of (service) packages, I've always put proposals together after initial meeting(s) and discussions that lay out what I'm going to do for a client. I do draw up proposals for local clients and always include a cover letter. I treat both like a salesletter. These usually seal the deal.

            What's your take on proposals, especially for local small businesses? Do you do or have you ever done this?

            If I can just walk out of a business with a fat cheque, and not have to spend time on a proposal, then what's the 'secret'? ;o)

            Thanks,
            Mickey


            You're on the right track Mickey but I would never make a formal looking proposal.

            As I said I usually outline what I'm going to do by email.

            I think the key here is that you're relying on a business owner to make a final decision and write you a check based on reading and perusing something you've written down.

            No way in the world am I letting a business owner do that.

            That just gives him a chance to make ridiculous comparisons to other service providers who don't even offer anything similar.

            What you want to do is go deep enough in your conversation that you've found out what the business owner wants, you've made some suggestions of strategies you could implement for him, found one he gets excited about then you run with that idea.

            So I might be outlining what I'm going to do in an email but I'm 99% percent or 100% certain that he's ready to go with that idea.

            And yes sometimes you just walk out with the check.

            To be fair it's often the 2nd or 3rd time you meet with a business owner in person.

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        • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
          Originally Posted by AndrewCavanagh View Post

          The majority of people who made a full time living fast selling their services to local businesses are those who were willing to just go talk to business owners.

          To be fair many of those started by simply talking to business owners they already knew or their friends knew.

          Sometimes you can try to be too clever.

          If you have a service that's valuable to brick and mortar businesses (and as an internet marketer you do) then the quickest way from A to B is to just go talk to them about it.

          Kindest regards,
          Andrew Cavanagh
          Hi Andrew,

          I've often seen you say 'Just talk to business owners'. But how do you do
          that when you walk in from the street? I mean, how do you just strike up
          a conversation? It sounds simple in principle, but what method do you use
          to get started?

          Glenn
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          • Profile picture of the author FlightGuy
            Originally Posted by Glenn Leader View Post

            Hi Andrew,

            I've often seen you say 'Just talk to business owners'. But how do you do
            that when you walk in from the street? I mean, how do you just strike up
            a conversation? It sounds simple in principle, but what method do you use
            to get started?

            Glenn
            I know you asked Andrew, and I'm sure he'll pipe in with his own words -- but I figured I'd add in some advice as well.

            One of the best ways to approach a business owner is to actually walk in and buy what they're selling.

            Now obviously, this won't work if you're walking into a CPA's office or a real estate agent's office - but an example would be a restaurant... or any place that offers relatively low priced services. Ask to speak to the owner, and touch on his business with some compliments. Don't be fake. Tell him that you think everyone's gotta know about his place - but again, only if you can fit it in to be GENUINE.

            Ask him questions - how long he's been in business for, how he got started in the business, does he own any other stores around, how many locations. Or even, "I think I noticed you had a few locations, right?" Tell him that you think he's got a wonderful operation (if you think that), but again - you must be real, not fake.

            Then touch on his advertising - if you saw his add in a coupon mailer, mention that you saw his add and then smoothly (if the time is right) transition into telling him what you do, and that you have some ideas that could save him some money on those types of ads and bring in more customers. Only do this after you've asked him all those pre-screen questions though, first. Make a list of it all in your head, the best you can, and recall the information as you're touching on your services so that you remind him that you're on the same page as him, not on opposite pages.

            Remind him that you're there to help his bottom line, not take money from him - but in an indirect way (so don't go saying exactly that, lol). Find the right psychology mix with their personality and enthusiasm for their own business, and hit on it.

            Be genuine - you have to WANT to help his bottom line or you're just made of glass.


            Kindest,

            John Dennis
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          • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
            Originally Posted by Glenn Leader View Post

            Hi Andrew,

            I've often seen you say 'Just talk to business owners'. But how do you do
            that when you walk in from the street? I mean, how do you just strike up
            a conversation? It sounds simple in principle, but what method do you use
            to get started?

            Glenn

            Since I wrote a full report about it called "Offline Gold For The Online Marketer" I'm not going to try to share 40 pages of knowledge in a short forum post.

            But the bottome line is to let them come to you in the business location if possible then ask about a product or their service then lead gradually into asking about their business then about what they want out of their business etc etc.

            It's a proces and it takes practice to be good at it.

            The more low key and relaxed you are the better.

            Kindest regards,
            Andrew Cavanagh
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  • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
    Originally Posted by Wah Bhatti View Post

    all you do is visit all the acountants in you area

    Interesting idea but I'm inclined to think that someone willing to visit all the accountants in a geographical area could make a whole lot more money getting to know their businesses and providing every accountant who was interested customized internet marketing solutions.

    You wouldn't need to go to the trouble of creating a website to do that either.

    You could just start by going to talk to accountants (and other business owners in your area).

    That is the fastest way to go from zero to making money anyway...just go and directly talk to business owners about how you might be able to get them more sales and profits by helping them with their internet marketing.

    Kindest regards,
    Andrew Cavanagh
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    • Profile picture of the author Wah Bhatti
      Originally Posted by AndrewCavanagh View Post

      Interesting idea but I'm inclined to think that someone willing to visit all the accountants in a geographical area could make a whole lot more money getting to know their businesses and providing every accountant who was interested customized internet marketing solutions.

      You wouldn't need to go to the trouble of creating a website to do that either.

      You could just start by going to talk to accountants (and other business owners in your area).

      That is the fastest way to go from zero to making money anyway...just go and directly talk to business owners about how you might be able to get them more sales and profits by helping them with their internet marketing.

      Kindest regards,
      Andrew Cavanagh

      thanks Andrew was just trying to use our im and seo skills to get a bidding war in a small town
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      • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
        Originally Posted by Wah Bhatti View Post

        thanks Andrew was just trying to use our im and seo skills to get a bidding war in a small town
        If you went to the trouble of finding, talking to and getting even 2 business owners interested enough to "bid" $1,000 or more then you'd be far smarter spending your time helping both of them increase their sales and profits and charge them both.

        The bottom line is if your focus is on genuinely helping business owners get what they really want then you can make a whole lot more money with a whole lot less effort.

        Kindest regards,
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnSpangler
    Andrew is 100% correct, I went out today and made another $800 for about 90minutes of my time not a bad trade.

    I found a company who was paying for advertising, picked up the phone asked for the business owner and set up a meeting where I was providing a free youtube video.

    I really take the time to know these businesses which in turn allows me to target specific keywords which caters to their business.

    Plus I showed him how to "claim" his business on the google local business directory.

    He was floored with all the information that is freely available on the net, he shared with me that he was spending over $500 a month is just yellow page advertising alone not including everything else.

    These companies really appreciate when someone takes the time to understand their business and ask them questions related to showing
    them strategies to help improve their overal marketing campaigns.

    John
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  • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
    Originally Posted by Wah Bhatti View Post


    %< snipped
    my twist

    offer it to the highest bidder per month
    all you do is visit all the acountants in you area
    till one of then says yes after that you just keep it high in the serps
    if you can provide leads to the business
    you should be able to rent it for over a $1000
    and Burtie is looking for a one time profit of 300 odd

    ill stiick with my twist

    love to you all
    IMHO, you'd be better off capturing leads, then selling them on to local
    businesses. You can then use that to open the door for other services
    you can provide.

    HTH

    Glenn
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    • Profile picture of the author tknoppe
      Interesting concept. You're right, many business owners just want the work done for them. They recognize the value of having a web site, or at least think they should have a web site for whatever reason and perhaps do not know the full value it can give their business. Either way, many are willing to just pay for it and let someone else maintain it.

      Then you have other business owners who would balk at $1,000 per month price. I agree, it may be because they didn't know any better that they could own a site for that.

      I like the going door-to-door to meet and talk with the business owners method. Even though we are 'internet savvy' and know communicating online is efficient and great for networking; brick and mortar business owners deal every day with real-live people they can see, so if you want their business, you need to talk to them in a way that's comfortable for them: in person.

      As someone else stated, if you're going to charge $1,000 per month, then I would say that had best come with hosting and at least a set amount of maintenance time. It's the ongoing personal 'hand holding' and personal communication that will hook them in for that price.

      You could always pitch as two packages: full service package for $1,000 per month or the 'self serve' package for a much smaller amount.
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  • Profile picture of the author madison_avenue
    If your using the strategy of building the website first. I would make the site at least 20 pages, so it appears they are getting more value. You can always change everything afterwords , we are talking about the first impression. It is just psychological thing a one page site seems too thin. You can even get a good header graphic done for $20.

    I would then have already moved the site up the search engines using my own SEO techniques: article marketing, blogs.. whatever.

    I would have tried out some adwords ads as well. This is because if you get the deal you will need to to start driving some traffic through PPC. This will not be a burden though if they pay you $1000 per month you can probably spend $80 on PPC this will give them enough leads to keep them more than happy.

    If you do these things, you will be getting them existing leads and the prospect more leads. If on top of this you offer an autoresponder system this will be the clincher, you will have an irresistible offer.
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  • Profile picture of the author d3sign3r
    I like your idea Bhatti. Accountants surely can afford to pay a K per month if you have good rankings and the accountant is familiar with search engine rankings etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author keithcarberry
    I am brand new to Warrior Forum....But not new to sales...I have been a door knocker for many years.

    I like what Wah Bhatti has to say. and some others as well.

    The main thing is go out there and make the calls to local businesses and knock on the doors.

    If you do that, you can build whatever they want.

    Bill Gates sold Microsoft DOS to IMB and he didn't even have the product yet.

    He just knocked on a big door said he had DOS.....Then delivered
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  • Profile picture of the author JQAdams
    I think this idea could be effective with many other types of businesses as well. In particular, smaller, specialty businesses that deal in assistance for individuals or businesses (tax preparation, counseling, fitness clubs, etc.).

    Break out the telephone directory and look around. I bet there will be a lot of opportunities that present themselves in there.
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  • Profile picture of the author stephenh
    Yeah I had that idea myself and actually set up a site for realtors.

    The concept is good but as with anything you have to get out there and sell it to the businesses.

    Stephen
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