Will I go to jail for this?

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Or is this a absolut no go?

- Absolutely no go. It's called stealing. You would be a thief.

Could I even go to jail for this?

- I hope so. I mean I wish you would... although it is not likely.

And just to clarify: even if you give credits to the website and/or the photographer, you still can NOT use it on your website, unless you have the explicit written permission of the copyright owner!

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath

- Absolutely no go. It's called stealing. You would be a thief.

- I hope so. I mean I wish you would... although it is not likely.

And just to clarify: even if you give credits to the website and/or the photographer, you still can NOT use it on your website, unless you have the explicit written permission of the copyright owner!

Thank him for giving you the best advice. Just follow this gentleman's words. He is absolutely right.

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Oliver Williams

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath

- Absolutely no go. It's called stealing. You would be a thief.

- I hope so. I mean I wish you would... although it is not likely.

That is a very harsh, cold and nasty reply. This guy is a new guy just asking for some advice. No need to get all Hitler about it.

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Michael Oksa 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mrexclusive

That is a very harsh, cold and nasty reply. This guy is a new guy just asking for some advice. No need to get all Hitler about it.

You've just got to love the irony.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mrexclusive

That is a very harsh, cold and nasty reply. This guy is a new guy just asking for some advice. No need to get all Hitler about it.

Eh, I don't know that he's trying to be mean about it necessarily, just stern about what the implications would be if he DID take the image contrary to our advice here.

I don't think the "you" he's referencing is explicitly saying that he wishes the OP would go to jail, but that people who steal should go to jail, and that people who take copyrighted images without permission are stealing.

Although, to be perfectly fair, technically that would be PIRACY!

Not stealing. We've all seen the piracy vs stealing diagrams, right? I don't need to explain the difference?

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Oliver Williams

11 years ago

Originally Posted by stephenwaldo

Eh, I don't know that he's trying to be mean about it necessarily, just stern about what the implications would be if he DID take the image contrary to our advice here.

I don't think the "you" he's referencing is explicitly saying that he wishes the OP would go to jail, but that people who steal should go to jail, and that people who take copyrighted images without permission are stealing.

Although, to be perfectly fair, technically that would be PIRACY!

Not stealing. We've all seen the piracy vs stealing diagrams, right? I don't need to explain the difference?

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Yeah maybe its just a little bit harsh instead of very harsh.

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EllesBelles

11 years ago

Its more likely that you'd be financially penalised rather than go to jail, but it's still theft.

Use royalty free images or contact the owner and ask for permission to use the photo. It's not too hard to find out where is using your pictures these days, and I'd be pretty upset if someone just stole mine.

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Banned 11 years ago

Just ask for permission, dude. Maybe offer to link back to the owner's site for one-time usage rights.

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angiecolee 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Channing

Just ask for permission, dude. Maybe offer to link back to the owner's site for one-time usage rights.

The problem with this is that embedding is not one-time usage. A print for a mass-mailing could probably qualify, but not a website that would be getting any number of hits per day.

I find it hard to believe you couldn't find information on the internet about this, since copyright and DMCA are very big topics right now, what with the recent SOPA and PIPA debacle in the U.S.

Hopefully this will clarify some issues for a lot of IMers. I know many of you guys are trying to save money by running a bootstrapped business. Photographs cost money to create. We're talking equipment, editing, gas money, hosting, copyright/watermarking. If you're taking someone else's image, you're basically making money off someone else's work. And no, most photographers are not happy with just credit or you giving them "exposure". If someone wanted to trade you a website for exposure, you probably wouldn't be happy either.

There are PLENTY of ways to get free and low-cost images to use on your website. Free images can be found via Flickr's Creative Commons, and other creative commons sites. You MUST MUST MUST pay attention to the rights involved with using an image. Some are for non-commercial use. Some are only attribution (you can't make modifications - and MUST link directly to the image source). With creative commons, you need to keep in mind the fact that at ANY time, the copyright holder can revoke those rights and ask you to take down their work.

The best way to get low-cost images where you don't have to worry about the legality or penalties are by going to stock photo sites. Usually, you pay a one-time fee and get to use the image however you see fit. Smaller images (good for websites) will cost less than larger images, which will cost less than prints. Again, PAY ATTENTION to the rights you're purchasing. If you have questions, ask the photographer/artist whose picture you're trying to use. They will tell you what you get for your money because they set up the deal.

Stealing is bad karma, whether it's "borrowing" an image from a Google image search or scraping content to improve your rankings. Always ask for permission (and get it in writing) before using someone else's material. Them saying no up front is MUCH better than them coming after you pissed off once you've stolen their material.

FYI - forgive the tone if it seems a little ranty/preachy. I'm very particular on this subject as I've had my content stolen and I'm friends with several brilliant photographers who are tired of people loving their work, but not valuing it enough to pay for it.
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Michael Oksa

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Ricebeans87

Hi Warriors!

I can´t really find the Information I´m looking for on the net.

So here is my question:

Is it ok if I embed a picture from another website into mine?

Usually not, but there are exceptions.

If you get permission from the copyright holder (in most cases the photographer, or website owner) to use it, then you are okay. Be sure to mention how you plan on using their image.

If you get the image from a stock image site and are using the image within their guidelines, then that's okay too.

Do I have to mention where it´s from and give the other website credit for that?

It would depend on the requirements of the copyright holder or stock image site. When asking to use the image, you can ask how they want credit to be given.

Or is this a absolut no go?

See above.

And how big of a crime would it be, if it were Illegal? Could I even go to jail for this?

It could potentially be a crime, but jail time is rare, unless you really break the law and refuse to follow any court orders. The big problem with copyright infringement, especially on images, is not jail time but money. Images have some of the toughest copyright enforcement, and it's not uncommon to have to pay $1,000s for infringement.

Maybe one of you guys could help me out on that.

Thanks alot!

I hope that helps. Good luck.

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11 years ago

Use royalty free images mate. just a few cents and U can get many pics related to ur niche.
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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Ricebeans87

Hi Warriors!

I can´t really find the Information I´m looking for on the net.

So here is my question:

Is it ok if I embed a picture from another website into mine?
Do I have to mention where it´s from and give the other website credit for that?
Or is this a absolut no go?
And how big of a crime would it be, if it were Illegal? Could I even go to jail for this?

Maybe one of you guys could help me out on that.

Thanks alot!

How do you know that they own the rights to it? It could be a stock image. No it's a civil dispute, and doesn't fall under criminal law.

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11 years ago

Let me help you out..

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megawarrior

11 years ago

If by "embed a picture" you mean hotlinking, then the website owner can easily see who is doing it and replace the image. Not to mention bandwidth theft and possible copyright infringement

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Ricebeans87

11 years ago

Thank you all for your helpful information.

Btw - Im new in this forum, how can I add a "Thank you" to your posts?
Just wanna show that I appreciate your help.

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jebarajsamuel

11 years ago

Hey, Dont worry you can go ahead and post pictures from other websites. not a prob. unless the picture is copyrighted.

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Istvan Horvath 11 years ago

Originally Posted by jebarajsamuel

Hey, Dont worry you can go ahead and post pictures from other websites. not a prob. unless the picture is copyrighted.

Is this benevolent ignorance or evil stupidity?
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angiecolee 11 years ago

Originally Posted by jebarajsamuel

Hey, Dont worry you can go ahead and post pictures from other websites. not a prob. unless the picture is copyrighted.

ALL PICTURES ARE COPYRIGHTED. I'm not sure where you are from, but in the U.S., copyright is granted to the artist or creator AS SOON AS the work is created. If they go for additional protections (filing for Copyright with the national office), they can pursue infringements in the court system and be awarded damages. Please look up copyright before you give advice like this - you will get a lot of people in trouble.

Internet marketers, I promise, you do NOT want to deal with content creators like me once we've discovered you using our material without permission. Photographers, videographers, musicians, and writers work HARD to create the intellectual property that you find valuable (if you didn't find value in it, you wouldn't share or consider embedding in your website in order to increase traffic and visual appeal). Give them credit and payment where it is due - treat artists the way you want to be treated. And most of us just want to get paid, just like you.
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John Coutts

11 years ago

Originally Posted by jebarajsamuel

Hey, Dont worry you can go ahead and post pictures from other websites. not a prob. unless the picture is copyrighted.

But the picture IS copyrighted - every time, regardless of who owns it, or where it is published.

Are you honestly so naive as to think that some images online are not copyrighted?

Giving out this kind of very bad wrong advice is recklessly irresponsible, to say the least.

John.

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sunray

11 years ago

Originally Posted by John Coutts

But the picture IS copyrighted - every time, regardless of who owns it, or where it is published.

Are you honestly so naive as to think that some images online are not copyrighted?

Giving out this kind of very bad wrong advice is recklessly irresponsible, to say the least.

John.

Actually, there are LOADS of images that are dropped into public domain and are thus not copyrighted. Every classical painting may be used without a second thought--they're all free; Old photos that predate the world wars--all free; Images from old public domain books (at least 70 years old)--all free.

The ONLY exception to this rule arises only when some editing has been made. For example, I have used a clone tool in an image editing software to cover dust and cracks of an old photograph. I now own the edited result (not the original photo!).

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Michael Oksa

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Ricebeans87

Thank you all for your helpful information.

Btw - Im new in this forum, how can I add a "Thank you" to your posts?
Just wanna show that I appreciate your help.

There should be a black THANKS button in the lower-right of each post.

Click that and the person will be thanked.

All the best,
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- Karen Blundell 11 years ago
  
  there is no reason on earth to have to steal images. There are so many free stock image sites out there as well as tons and tons of public domain stuff. You just have to know where to find them and pay attention to their usage terms.
  
  I personally like these 2 sites (not affiliated)
  morgueFile free photos for creatives by creatives
  stock.xchng - the leading free stock photography site
  
  of the two sites above, morguefile.com allows you the most flexibility, by encouraging you to make use of the files as part of commercial or personal projects with no issues, ie templates, themes, client sites. You just can't take the images and create an image file sharing site with the images unaltered.
  
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wizzard74 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

There should be a black THANKS button in the lower-right of each post.

Click that and the person will be thanked.

All the best,
Michael

You don't get the thanks button straight away, you have to make a certain number of posts before you get to thank anyone.
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- Ricebeans87 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by wizzard74
  
  You don't get the thanks button straight away, you have to make a certain number of posts before you get to thank anyone.
  
  OH ok. As soon as I get that button, I will abuse it
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- CDarklock 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by wizzard74
  
  You don't get the thanks button straight away, you have to make a certain number of posts before you get to thank anyone.
  
  That "certain number" was five, last I checked. So it's not like you have to make a LOT of posts.
  
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David Wolfman

11 years ago

There is a law that allows use of content for quotation purposes, so if the image you reproduce has low quality and you will provide the resource then you are safe.
They won't chase you because there is no strict guidance as to the quality of reproduction.

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royljestr

11 years ago

Yeah man just use royalty free images. You can go stock.xchng - the leading free stock photography site to get some for free, just make sure you read the license

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talfighel

11 years ago

You will be amazed at how many people copy pictures from other sites to theirs.

If you do decide to use it, you should save that picture to your server.

It all depends what picture you are copying.

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11 years ago

If in doubt, buy royalty free. Especially if you're doing web design or something you're going to sell later.

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PlatinumLady

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Ricebeans87

Hi Warriors!

I can´t really find the Information I´m looking for on the net.

So here is my question:

Is it ok if I embed a picture from another website into mine?
Do I have to mention where it´s from and give the other website credit for that?
Or is this a absolut no go?
And how big of a crime would it be, if it were Illegal? Could I even go to jail for this?

Maybe one of you guys could help me out on that.

Thanks alot!

You would get into serious trouble if you did that without getting the permission of the site owner first. Even if you splashed the web site name and mentioned it a thousand times as in the way of giving credit it still won't make it right unless permission was first sought and agreed by site owner.

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YasirYar

11 years ago

Just take permission from the owner of the image or you can craft a similar one yourself with photoshop or buy one from stock photo sites. There are tons out there waiting to be purchased.

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11 years ago

Definately ask for permission or use royalty free images you can get them free or for a few dollars.
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11 years ago

Woah, sucked me into this thread with the title there. I thought you'd killed someone or something.

You should be a copywriter.

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DigitalDanny 11 years ago

I agree with the others here, take the time and ask or spend the money it costs to buy the images needed.
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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Ricebeans87

Hi Warriors!

I can´t really find the Information I´m looking for on the net.

So here is my question:

Is it ok if I embed a picture from another website into mine?
Do I have to mention where it´s from and give the other website credit for that?
Or is this a absolut no go?
And how big of a crime would it be, if it were Illegal? Could I even go to jail for this?

Maybe one of you guys could help me out on that.

Thanks alot!

It's not really okay although I think the group here aren't the ultimate consensus, in another internet community (say torrenting or p2p) the opinion would be opposite.

Facebook was created because Zuckerberg stole images.

An easy way is to ask the creator's permission, if you're nice, it's likely they'll say yeah.

As for how big a crime, the truth is it's unlikely to have a ramification.The internet is a collection of "stolen" images. You're unlikely to go to jail, the most likely option if (and it's a big if - depending on the closeness of your steal e.g if you're stealing from a site who you share users with) you're caught is you'll be asked to remove it and then if you don't you might be given a legal cease and desist.

My former mentor got one of these from Marvel, he put it on his wall.

The absolute worse is you'll be given a fine. When I was starting off a good while ago we were clueless and used to steal a ton of images and it never had an effect. Some will say it's a bad business theory which I agree with but as a standalone act, while I'm not condoning, it's very unlikely it'll have an effect on you. We discovered away to "steal" images from stock photo sites which makes it literally impossible to track but I think it's important to note that it's not a good routine to follow into. Go legit, it might be longer and harder (innuendo?) but you know it's never going to bite you in the ass.

Me personally I don't care if somebody steals my content, hustle and grind. It just means I'm doing something right. I know I'm never going to run out of ideas, I have an unlimited reserve, but I think others see it differently.

If it were to ever effect you, the time and money taken to deal with the problem could be much more than just buying the image.

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11 years ago

ask the owner i think he wont sue you or anything like that

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Jonathan Joseph

11 years ago

Hi there,

You would want to ask that website owner if you can have rights to publish the image on your website. If they give you the green light to do so, then you may need to work out a deal with them. If they give you the red light (no-go), then don't use the image. Keep in mind that the internet is VAST. There are MANY different websites to get high quality royalty-free images from, that may even be similar to what you're looking for.

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pizzatherapy

11 years ago

It really amazes me that so many people think it is OK to grab any images on the Internet.

A while back, someone was using one of my pictures for their website and an ebay auction. I immediately contected them and asked them to remove the picture. They appologized and did remove the image.

There is absolutely no reason to steal someone else's intellectual property (Images) with sites like: morgue file

Only use images that you created yourself or own the rights to.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by pizzatherapy

It really amazes me that so many people think it is OK to grab any images on the Internet.

A while back, someone was using one of my pictures for their website and an ebay auction. I immediately contected them and asked them to remove the picture. They appologized and did remove the image.

There is absolutely no reason to steal someone else's intellectual property (Images) with sites like: morgue file

Only use images that you created yourself or own the rights to.

Can't say it enough. ALWAYS, always assume that you cannot use someone else's images, or other content... UNLESS you are given specific permission to the contrary.

Here's a couple of things to keep in mind:

People own the copyright on the content they produce UNLESS they explicitly give away the copyright to another party and they can decide how that content is used, which means they can give away the LICENCE to use a given material in a particular way, without actually giving away the copyright itself.

There are also laws against distorting or mangling someone else's work, or even associating it with material that the author/artist... doesn't want to be associated with! The idea behind those laws is that you may be destroying someone else's good name by what you do.

If you make money off of your infringement of someone else's copyright, theoretically that COULD be considered criminal infringement (depending on the country, legal system, etc), and, yes, that could be jail -- although realistically the odds are low on that.

The odds are higher for financial penalties (and yes even teenagers downloading music have been sued for that).

What most people don't think about is this: accusations of copyright infringement can result in the accused losing their internet providers or even internet access, by being shut down by ISPs. (Is it worth it?) I'm not sure what the legal status of this is but I heard about some jurisdictions actually banning individuals from accessing the internet at all because they were accused (not convicted) of copyright infringement.

Ultimately, there's no reason whatsoever to do it, so don't

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Matt Fulger 11 years ago

You should always assume the graphic is copyrighted unless otherwise stated.

There's really no need to grab random images off the internet to use on your own sites when you don't have a clue what license (if any) comes with said graphic when there are so many decent sites around with graphics either in the Public Domain or released under a Creative Commons license.

Here's just a few sites that allow commercial usage of the graphics they host:

DinPattern – Free seamless patterns <== Cool background patterns

Discover — Art & Design Inspiration at ColRD.com <== At Colrd you'll find some nice graphics, colors, palettes and patterns that are licensed under the CC0 or Public Domain. Which means you can use them in your commercial projects.

OpenClipArt <== Great source of Public Domain vector graphics (which means high quality Scalable Vector Graphics for your commercial projects)

Free Vector Graphics and Vector Art for download :: Vector Open Stock <== Another great source of free vector graphics.

These are but a few off the top of my head, but there are literally dozens of sites like these that have High Quality graphics available for commercial use for free.

In the long run, you are going to be better off playing it safe and using graphics that you KNOW aren't going to get you into any trouble.

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FreeMeal

11 years ago

There's a law in the UK which is that if you think that something is against the law, but you still do it anyway, even if it isn't actually against the law, you have indeed - broken the law.

... or something like that.

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11 years ago

Search stock image websites, you've gotta pay but it's worth it. The quality of the images are higher and you get the full resolution... not a scaled down version of the original image.

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daioner

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Ricebeans87

Hi Warriors!

I can´t really find the Information I´m looking for on the net.

So here is my question:

Is it ok if I embed a picture from another website into mine?
Do I have to mention where it´s from and give the other website credit for that?
Or is this a absolut no go?
And how big of a crime would it be, if it were Illegal? Could I even go to jail for this?

Maybe one of you guys could help me out on that.

Thanks alot!

lol noone will go to jail for this!

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fellowgeek

11 years ago

You should always use stuff that you have the permission for it. There are many pictures on sites like Flickr that the author allows the use with attribution, just do an advanced search on Flickr, With the images that come with press releases you usually have the permission to use them provided you give the credit to the site.

If you post stuff without permission you are violating DMCA and you could be sued and your website and business could shutdown.

Always play fair... otherwise nasty things will happen.

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daioner

11 years ago

Originally Posted by fellowgeek

You should always use stuff that you have the permission for it. There are many pictures on sites like Flickr that the author allows the use with attribution, just do an advanced search on Flickr, With the images that come with press releases you usually have the permission to use them provided you give the credit to the site.

If you post stuff without permission you are violating DMCA and you could be sued and your website and business could shutdown.

Always play fair... otherwise nasty things will happen.

thats true! you will need to have permission but not go to jail !

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fellowgeek

11 years ago

Also Wikipedia is full of Public Domain or Creative commons pictures that you can use with attribution. I am running my website off of Flickr and Wikipedia pics with occasional pics that I had to buy and for that there are many good and cheap resources out there.

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sunray

11 years ago

Actually, if you do not take the file and only insert the URL of the image file into your website (what embedding means), you should be safe in legal sense. Google does it all the time. We all embed Youtube videos--our own or someone else's--without any problems and so on. But, usually server settings do not allow it as nobody is not that interested to lend you their bandwidth. And if it works today, they may take it away tomorrow. So, even though legal, it's not that wise thing to do.

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paul_1

11 years ago

I know of someone who's been using other sites images... What he does is wait for the owner to contact him and ask for the removal of the image... He removes the image and replaces it with another stolen one on the first warning...

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JimMichael

11 years ago

This could cost you a LOT of money.

Being a good business person means you can't take any shortcuts.

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SEOLee

11 years ago

Wow. people saying they hope he goes to prison for putting an image up what is wrong with you people?

The worst that could happen is they ask you to take it down.
That's it.
Don't worry about it

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Daniel Evans 11 years ago

Go directly to Jail.
Do not Pass Go.
Do not collect Pictures.
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- jayspann 11 years ago
  
  If you want to use a similar image. Get the URL af the image. and use Google Image Search.
  
  https://skitch.com/e-jayspann/8d62d/google-images
  
  Then click search.
  
  https://skitch.com/e-jayspann/8d62t/google-images
  
  Then you can find out (maybe) if it was a stock photo or a creative commons photo.
  
  Don't use the one straight from the blog..... think outside the box.
  
  Jay
  
  PS I'm a little mad that I can't directly embed skitch hosted images. I'll get over it I guess.
  
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- gccalfeche 11 years ago
  
  I don't think so.. There are many people out there using images that are not even their own. So why bother?
  
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Richard Van

11 years ago

Originally Posted by SEOLee

Wow. people saying they hope he goes to prison for putting an image up what is wrong with you people?

The worst that could happen is they ask you to take it down.
That's it.
Don't worry about it

Jail? I doubt it too but looking at the worst you think will happen and I know straight away you don't know what you're talking about.

I dare you to use one of Gettys images and see if all they do is ask you to "take it down".

:rolleyes:

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John Coutts

11 years ago

Originally Posted by SEOLee

Wow. people saying they hope he goes to prison for putting an image up what is wrong with you people?

The worst that could happen is they ask you to take it down.
That's it.
Don't worry about it

No, that is not the worst that could happen. Try using a Getty image without permission, for example, and enjoy paying the very large bill they WILL send you.

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mojojuju

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Ricebeans87

And how big of a crime would it be, if it were Illegal? Could I even go to jail for this?

Don't do it! People who steal images from other people's web sites get sent to a PMITA prison.

Use a camera to get all the free images you could wish for.

"Cameras. They're like magic machines that make photographs out of light. They're freaking cool as hell!" - George Washington

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Daystar11

11 years ago

Great "George Washington" quote there lol. Much simpler to diy- the camera- or simply get a royalty-free image online. Google "free pictures" you'll see what I mean.

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REHughes

11 years ago

Obviously, some of you that feel it is no big deal to swipe images from the net missed the post just a week or so back of a WARRIOR who had just received a notice that a LAWSUIT was pending in the 5 FIGURE range, simply for taking a picture without permission.
No warning, nothing but the owners atty. contacting him notifying him of his infraction.
So, please be careful what advice you heed to - unless you have plenty of cash to bail yourself out.

All the best,
Robert

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Jill Carpenter

11 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

That "certain number" was five, last I checked. So it's not like you have to make a LOT of posts.

Some days 5 posts can seem like a lifetime. That is your perception.
For some members, they can't even be bothered to post even once here in the main section before popping up a WSO.

Originally Posted by SEOLee

Wow. people saying they hope he goes to prison for putting an image up what is wrong with you people?

The worst that could happen is they ask you to take it down.
That's it.
Don't worry about it

Really? Are you a lawyer? You sure someone wouldn't sue you - especially if you profited from their image that you stole?

Let's run a test shall we? You put up a photo of someone famous, make sure you borrow it from a really big well known site, and we'll see if you only get asked to remove it.

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cjreynolds

11 years ago

Originally Posted by REHughes

Obviously, some of you that feel it is no big deal to swipe images from the net missed the post just a week or so back of a WARRIOR who had just received a notice that a LAWSUIT was pending in the 5 FIGURE range, simply for taking a picture without permission.
No warning, nothing but the owners atty. contacting him notifying him of his infraction.
So, please be careful what advice you heed to - unless you have plenty of cash to bail yourself out.

All the best,
Robert

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FOLKS! LISTEN TO THIS GUY!!!! I saw the post myself! It wasn't just a cease and desist - The guy immediately offered to take the image down:

"Yeah, you'll do that - you still owe us $15,000!"

this is serious stuff, folks! And the lawyers for stock photo companies look like they're using this as a "business model" - find all the copyright infringers and shake 'em down.

Not worth the risk....

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Wide

11 years ago

They will just send you a friendly email asking you to remove the picture from your website
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Just send him an email asking for permission to use it, use an email address different from your "domain email". If we don't reply, then use it anyway - since you tried to contact him.

That's how I would do it anyway.

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Pongo

11 years ago

Last I read it was $4000 per instance. That's why I watermark all of my images ~ will see bad guys in court. A link to my html is fine but just taking an image from that page no.

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JennyPellicer

Banned 11 years ago

Embeding an image basically means that the website where you got the image from allows you to embed that particular image. (in that case you can't go to jail)

If you just took the image from that site without any given permission then you're a thief.

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Ralf Skirr

11 years ago

Wow, someone ask a clearly 'innocent' question, and he gets bashed.

I think it's great that the OP is trying to get the information, and find out what's the right thing to do. Bashing him is not helping.

That said, as many have mentioned, it's not ok at all to take pics from other sites.

You can get pics you CAN use on your sites pretty cheap from sites like istockphoto.com. Check it out.

BTW: love your thread title - clearly getting lots of attention! :-)

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Jill Carpenter

11 years ago

Originally Posted by JennyPellicer

Embeding an image basically means that the website where you got the image from allows you to embed that particular image. (in that case you can't go to jail)

You're a lawyer too?

Really? They allow me to embed it on my own sites? You sure about that? :rolleyes:

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Richard Van 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter

You're a lawyer too?

Really? They allow me to embed it on my own sites? You sure about that? :rolleyes:

Jill, it's not worth it.

Some people like you look things up, read about things, learn things and find things out for themselves.

Others, well, they just hear stuff from any old piece of fluff and just believe it, often because it fits in with what they're illegally/stupidly/cluelessly doing. More often they just don't have the foggiest idea what they're saying.

Best to just leave them to it and thank your lucky stars you're not someone new to this because sometimes the misinformation I read here makes my eyes bleed.

(note - I'm not talking about the OP, he has a legitimate question, it's those people saying it's fine to use any image they find that I'm talking about)
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Ben Armstrong 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter

You're a lawyer too?

Really? They allow me to embed it on my own sites? You sure about that? :rolleyes:

I think you've misunderstood what he's saying. I think he's talking about sites that provide embedding codes for their images.
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Karen Blundell 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter

You're a lawyer too?

Really? They allow me to embed it on my own sites? You sure about that? :rolleyes:

Jill's right..that's also stealing - stealing that person's BANDWIDTH

and it's the reason I set up hotlink protection on all my domains and I recommend that everyone who doesn't want their content embedded and their bandwidth used by people who just refuse to GET IT, set it up on your domains, post haste.
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Claire Koch

11 years ago

i think its his profile pick he looks like hes jokin around so nobody is takin him seriously

Originally Posted by Ralf Skirr

Wow, someone ask a clearly 'innocent' question, and he gets bashed.

I think it's great that the OP is trying to get the information, and find out what's the right thing to do. Bashing him is not helping.

That said, as many have mentioned, it's not ok at all to take pics from other sites.

You can get pics you CAN use on your sites pretty cheap from sites like istockphoto.com. Check it out.

BTW: love your thread title - clearly getting lots of attention! :-)

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Claire Koch

11 years ago

you just have to read and see if you can... read the rules. usually if its public domain its ok, most clipart is ok look around for free images there is tons of it online you shouldnt just go a grabbin lol but all these lovely people already said that

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Ricebeans87

11 years ago

This picture inspried me to create this threat.

www (DOT) facebook (DOT) com/photo.php?fbid=10150498148116840&set=a.10904100183 9.105995.21785951839&type=3&theater

Another quick question:

How can I ever find out whether a picture is copywrited or not? Or else to say, how do I know if its a "free Image"?

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Michael Oksa

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Ricebeans87

This picture inspried me to create this threat.

www (DOT) facebook (DOT) com/photo.php?fbid=10150498148116840&set=a.10904100183 9.105995.21785951839&type=3&theater

Another quick question:

How can I ever find out whether a picture is copywrited or not? Or else to say, how do I know if its a "free Image"?

All pictures are copyrighted from the moment they are in fixed form, in other words, if you can see it, it's copyrighted. However, some photographers allow others to use their images free of charge. What you want to look for is their license for using the pictures, as photographers vary in how they allow others to use thier images.

Not all photographers do this, but many do. Visiting stock image sites can help, but be sure to read the license agreement for any pictures you use.

The image you linked to brings up an entirely different issue, as it could be part of an internet meme (though one I'm not familiar with). There is still a copyright on the image, but maybe the photographer is allowing it to be used. The only way to know for sure is to track down the photographer and ask them.

Also, you could simply "Like" the image and it would appear on your Facebook page, but using it in any other way is a touchy subject, and I would suggest you err on the side of caution.

All the best,
Michael

p.s. The picture really relates to this discussion, doesn't it?

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mnov5534

11 years ago

You might not go to jail, but that doesn't make it right! If there's an image you really like, you should contact the owner of the site and ask.

Perhaps agree on a small payment, or offer something in exchange? Maybe the owner will be happy with a credit under the image and a link to their site? Its always worth asking, but don't just steal images.

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daioner

11 years ago

if you actually go to jail i will bring the cigars!

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Dave90210

11 years ago

You will never ever go to jail for that! At worst the person who owns the picture will send you an email with a cease and disist letter. At worst they'll take you to court and sue you wich will never happen! It would cost them more money to sue you then it's worth.

Now if you're stealing paparazzi photos agencies have and can sue you since there's allot of money in selling those photos

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fin 11 years ago

I don't know if you'd go to jail, but I'd buy a butt plug to be on the safe side.
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John Coutts

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Dave90210

You will never ever go to jail for that! At worst the person who owns the picture will send you an email with a cease and disist letter. At worst they'll take you to court and sue you wich will never happen! It would cost them more money to sue you then it's worth.

You are sure of that? This is advice you would follow yourself?

I find it incredible that you are effectively telling the OP it's OK to steal an image from someone's web site, because, even though it's wrong, he'll get away with it. :confused:

Whatever happened to integrity, respect and just plain decency?

John.

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specialized

11 years ago

Will I go to jail for this?>>

As a writer and musician, I respect intellectual property too much to ever do what you describe, but I'll tell you what---if you found yourself potentially facing the full force of civil penalties that might be as much as $10,000 or more, you just might be wishing that jail were an option.

I don't know about you, but it would actually be much easier for me to do 30 days in some minimum-security white-collar lockup than to afford anything in the way of multi-thousand dollar court-enforced fines. Sad but true.

Point is, at least in the US, no they don't throw you in jail for civil torts like petty intellectual property misappropriation, but the horrendous civil penalties they can bring will make you wish you could trade your time (in jail) instead. I see you're from Germany... how about you tell us what they do about these things there?

Remember the lady who they tried to fine $800,000 or something when her IP was traced to a huge amount of her daughter's music downloading? I wonder if she ever wiggled out of that...

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Istvan Horvath

11 years ago

Every classical painting may be used without a second thought--they're all free;

That's a total crap... If I take a photo of any classic painting - the copyright of the photo is mine and you are NOT allowed to use it without my permission.

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sunray

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath

That's a total crap... If I take a photo of any classic painting - the copyright of the photo is mine and you are NOT allowed to use it without my permission.

This "total crap" is exactly how Wikipedia lawyers see it: any TWO-DIMENSIONAL photo of a classical painting is considered to be public domain and all Wikipedia editors may use such images freely. I've not heard that thy've run into any problems with this. On the other hand, if you take your photograph at an angle, it's no longer a simple two-dimensional reproduction, but a photo showing a painting in the room and you own a copyright on it. However, with a two-dimensional reproduction, you add nothing and consequently you own nothing. Very logical, isn't it?

ADDED: Here, just so you can be sure and not worry about anything when using reproductions of classical paintings on your websites, I found an article about an actual court case on this subject.