Exact Keyword in Domain Name?

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I have been wondering lately about the overall importance of having your desired keyword as (or a part of) your actual domain.

I am planning on setting up some websites for some offline clients and I have noticed that some names are being parked/squatted. For example, "mytown-icecream.com" and "mytownicecream.com" are not available (those squatters are a smart bunch, one such website was asking for a GRAND).

I could get something like "mytown-icecreamshop.com", but I realize the search traffic for that specific phrase is MUCH lower than "mytown-icecream".

I am fairly good with general onsite SEO and link building tactics, but I just wonder about the importance of that domain name-keyword connection.

Any insights would greatly appreciated.

Also, is there a definite answer in regards to using a dash, as in "mytown - icecream.com" vs just using "mytownicecream.com"? Which one is ultimately better for seo purposes, or does it really not matter?:confused:

Thanks everyone,

Jim
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Alexander
    it's pretty important, as far as I understand. An exact match of ANYTHING is always probably going to carry more weight than a partial
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  • Profile picture of the author jsherloc
    Thanks Jon, I figured as much. These squatters must seriously make a good living using this technique...good lord.

    Anyone else have any insights/experiences? I am hoping that with good link building strategies(i can anchor link my targeted keyword here) and excellent onsite SEO I can still do just fine on a local level, regardless if my exact keyword is a part of the url.

    Also...any clues about the whole "dash", "no dash" thing?

    Thanks,

    Jim
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  • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
    Long term I don't think it matters that much. You would have built up lots of links over time and your site would hopefully contain lots of useful content that was well optimised for the search engines.

    However, what I have noticed, about having a good keyword rich domain name, is that you can fairly quickly get decent rankings for those particular keywords.

    Try to get a domain without hyphens if possible. Yes, you can rank with hyphens, but again over time, people remember domains without hyphens more than those with hyphens. Also, you could end up sending traffic to competitors because your existing customers forgot your name.

    Also, try to keep it reasonable short or memorable. These days one word keyword availability is rare or impossible, unless you buy a domain from someone.

    I have bought a number like that and though most wanted $1,000 to $2,000 originally, we eventually paid in the region $250 to $500 for some very nice domains.

    Here is an example on choosing a domain name:

    "Dogs.com" - gone.

    "DogWalking.com" - gone

    "DogWalkingCalifornia.com" This is available! It may also be a decent domain name for someone.

    "Dog-Walking-New-York.com" This is available. However:

    "DogWalkingNewYork.com" has gone and the above hyphenated name (though ok for ranking well), will end up sending a lot of traffic to this non hyphenated name over time.

    Golden Rules
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    Try to get as good a domain name as you can.

    But don't let it stop you from starting if your ideal name isn't available. Better something half decent than nothing at all.

    Be willing to spend hours checking domain name availability and trying to come up with something good. It can be very worthwhile. Over time you will get better at coming up with good domain names.

    You don't need a one word domain name.

    If possible use a buying phrase in your domain name such as "HotelsInNewYork" or "DiscountVolkswagenTyres" etc...

    Use the google keyword suggestion tool for ideas.

    Use google's browser search function that shows you ideas for your search. Under browser preferences turn on the
    "Provide query suggestions in the search box" facility.


    Anyway, I hope this helps. Just doing this exercise I managed to find a another good domain name to do with dogwalking and I have just registered it. I will create an ebook and give it away for nothing, and join some dog affiliate programs and maybe get some advertisers on my site.

    Total initial time investment will be about 10 hours. Then with perhaps another 10 or 20 hours of marketing in the coming months and a dozen or so articles, I would be surprised if it doesn't make at least a few thousand dollars in the next 12 months. Other sites have many times before in the past and still do.

    I hope this helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeWords
      An exact match is preferred but likely not available in even the least competitive of keywords with a trickle of traffic worth fighting for.

      The next best option is to get your keyword in the beginning of the domain (the spiders read left to right like we do). Follow it up with good on site optimization and you'll be better off then 99% of your competition.
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      • Profile picture of the author dogisland
        Originally Posted by MikeWords View Post

        An exact match is preferred but likely not available in even the least competitive of keywords with a trickle of traffic worth fighting for.

        The next best option is to get your keyword in the beginning of the domain (the spiders read left to right like we do). Follow it up with good on site optimization and you'll be better off then 99% of your competition.
        I agree totally with this. When I'm doing my research if I can't get a decent domain with the keywords in then I'll give it a miss.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasdon
    Steadyon gave good advice in post #4

    I would add, that "squatters" as you call them, only applies to trademarked words/phrases.

    Owning generic names like mytownicecream.com is not 'cybersquatting' - registering benandjerrysicecream.com is.

    The difference is, one is being smart by registering names that may have commercial value to someone else down the line - while the other is trying to profit off someone elses brand.
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  • Profile picture of the author RobinInTexas
    :confused:Is it a near fatal error to use a subdomain?
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  • Profile picture of the author IowaGal
    Originally Posted by jsherloc View Post

    I have been wondering lately about the overall importance of having your desired keyword as (or a part of) your actual domain.

    I am planning on setting up some websites for some offline clients and I have noticed that some names are being parked/squatted. For example, "mytown-icecream.com" and "mytownicecream.com" are not available (those squatters are a smart bunch, one such website was asking for a GRAND).

    I could get something like "mytown-icecreamshop.com", but I realize the search traffic for that specific phrase is MUCH lower than "mytown-icecream".

    I am fairly good with general onsite SEO and link building tactics, but I just wonder about the importance of that domain name-keyword connection.

    Any insights would greatly appreciated.

    Also, is there a definite answer in regards to using a dash, as in "mytown - icecream.com" vs just using "mytownicecream.com"? Which one is ultimately better for seo purposes, or does it really not matter?:confused:

    Thanks everyone,

    Jim
    Hi Jim -
    Steadyon gave you some really good advice.

    I'd like to add a couple of things to the mix as well.

    I've found that by having your main keyword contained within your domain name does help a little in the search engine results but more often than not, it helps even more so for the potential site visitor.

    If someone was looking for "Dog Training Collars" they'd be more likely to visit a site named "DogTrainingCollars" rather than just a generic "dogtraining.com" site.

    And as far as dashes go in the domain name...

    If you're going to be advertising a local business online and have this domain name tacked onto business cards, letterhead and the like, then you do NOT want to use dashes. The likelihood of someone actually typing in the domain name correctly with dashes and all is quite small.

    If you simply can't do without a certain domain name but the only way to get that domain is to use dashes, then by all means, do so.

    But, I strongly suggest that you attempt to get a domain without the dashes. There used to be a tactic that was used quite some time ago where people were registering long-tail search terms as domain names with dashes:

    dog-training-collars-in-San-Francisco.com for example.

    This has run its course and is no longer as effective as it used to be.

    On the same note, whatever you do, try to get a ".com" domain name. Register the .net and .org if you want to keep your competitors from grabbing hold of the domains but use the .com as your main site address.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shy
    I think it also depends on the topic.

    I have a domain in a niche topic. Several competitors with only a few pages actually have the top listings on Google probably because they have the word in their domain.

    For my second niche, none of the competitors listed on the first page of Google even has the main keyword in their domain name; however, they have almost 300 pages on their site.

    I would check out the first couple of pages in Google and see what you are up against after doing keyword research. Then start playing with word combinations.
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  • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
    IowaGal gave some great advice (with regards to avoiding dashes if the domain is going to end up elsewhere).

    Actually, I would start by having a talk with your client about what s/he expects to do with the domain. For example, is s/he going to be doing radio or TV interviews or ads with that domain? If so, then consider how the domain name sounds and whether it's memorable.

    As IowaGal said, will it appear in print, whether on ads, biz cards, mailings, etc? Then again, think about how it looks, how it sounds and whether it's memorable.

    Cheers,
    Becky
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    • Profile picture of the author typed-in
      Newb's first post. We own a portfolio of approximately 10,000 geo-targeted keyword match domains that address vertical markets such as automotive, legal, healthcare, home services, etc. We are actively looking for people to partner/work with. If any of you have any thoughts or ideas we welcome an email.

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