What is going on with helping out people who can't make money online on warrior forum?

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Hi. I know there is probably many people in here who are struggling to make money online. Those of us are target for so many new wso's that come out everyday and have a catchy headline. We then proceed to buy them and we can't figure out how to follow them.

With that being said, many people point out that failure it because we don't take action. But how can take action if all of this wso's don't explain things super detail and always leave you stuck somewhere on page whatever and you can't seem to get pass through it because it is too confusing and the help isn't there. Learning by yourself is extremely hard. Maybe some people in here have study in groups with their g/f, b/f, friend, relative, etc... and had a better experience. After all two or 3 brains is better than one. But how about those who are struggling to make money online?

We are just a prey to this people. I am beginning to think that all this people who are selling wso's don't make any money at all and have falsa claims. The only way they probably make money is by selling this wso's in here. Then if you want private coaching is some stupid ridiculous course with video training, live chat for 30 in one month. Did you get that? Let me say it again 30 minutes for the entire month. Then this course is like 500 dollars per month. Are you freaking serious!?

Remember the way we all learn things. Yes we went to school 5 days a week and if we didn't understand something we can ask the teacher right there and there. I don't know about you, but to me that is the only way I can learn. Now I know I am not going to get anyone to come to my house and teach me face to face, but I would love a coach that I can talk to 5 days a week for an entire month a guide me through the whole process. But then again this gurus will take advantage of you and charge you like $20,000 thousand dollars. It takes me 1 year to make that in my job. Actually 10 years because I would have to save it because I have bills to pay.

I have not succeeded online, not because I have not taken any action, trust me I have, but is because I have no coaching, I have taken course that are out dated, and the new courses are not step by step. Almost all of this wso's have a catchy wso's title like newbie friendly, or my little cousin or son can do it, but the truth is that it is not newbie friendly and it is not a step by step plan. Yes of course your little brother or cousin can do it because you are right next to them telling him/her do this, now do that. Will you do the same for us? I don't think so.

I don't know what is becoming of warrior forum. I feel like is becoming a place to take advantage of new people and sell them wso's that promise to make money if they take action, but the result is that is a dead end and the only person making money is the wso vendor.

Well I have to get back to work. Thank God I have a job and make 11 an hour because I can't make any money online. My clickbank account is always at zero. I have 15 websites that I had built here in warrior forum and I can't even make 50 dollars with none of them. I can't believe I spend that much money having this sites built and no income yet. I spend so much money buying fiverr backlinks by rating to all of them and nothing yet. Maybe I should stop wasting my money in here and save my money and go to a school where they teach seo, wordpress design, backlinks, etc,, The problem is that then I woke up and realize that I was dreaming because this schools don't exist.

One thing I have found very funny is that I spoke to a few people in here who claim they are making a whooooole bunch of money, yet every time I go to the internet marketing review section, they are always looking for a new shiny project to help them make money when they advise me to "Stay Away" from all of this false guru products, yet they are the one going for it and desperate to buy it and review. LOL

Some people can't even trick themselves

Anyways I have a Fedex truck backing up right now, time for me to get back to work.

I'll be back later and see what you guys think
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  • Profile picture of the author Mosa
    Yes, the gurus rarely give out the step by step hold your hand method. But, you can't expect to not do any research on your own and make money. Internet marketing is NOT EASY. Anyone who says it is got lucky in finding the right course at the right time or they are straight out lying. It takes a lot of time and a lot of research. However, if you do have a lot of money to invest, you can learn the information much faster.
    Think of WSO as shortcuts to learning, not as the Answer to becoming a millionaire overnight. Pretty much all WSO's will have holes where you'll need your own brain to fill the gaps.
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  • Profile picture of the author valmillercorl
    I would take advantage of the free WSO's. You can find some real gems that will help you out.

    And just ask people for help when you're stuck.

    I'm sure there are any number of people on this forum that would help you out, including myself...just ask.

    Sorry your experience has not been great but if you take one method and stick with it, you will have a better chance at succeeding.

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  • How are you promoting your products? Are you writing the sales copy yourself? If so, that could be part of your problem. Your written English seems very rudimentary (I'm not trying to be rude here I'm just trying to offer helpful advice).
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    • Profile picture of the author raywarrior1978
      most of my sites are adsense sites, I only have 2 sites and all of my sites I had to pay to get thme built for me here on warrior forum

      One of them is too competitive and I didn't know about until my site was finish

      my site is eyeexercisesx dot com I am promoting a clickbank product but my keyword eye exercises is way too competitive

      my other site is makemoneyonlinefastblog dot com and my keyword is make money online fast

      The problem with this site is that I was promoting choose income and this product doesn't exist anymore on clickbank. I wanted to redo my site and promote quick click comissions which has been on the top for a long time. I don't know how to redo my site and target that keyword and I don't know how to change my banners and also how to redirect them to my cb product through my affiliate link. I log into my wordpress dashboard and I spend around 6 freaking hours trying to figure out where is the side banner and how to redirect it to the new cb product but I can't figure this out. I also don't know how to change all of my pages the work choose income to quick clikc commissions and redirect it too. I am soooo confused. Again I had this site built for me.

      I can't go back to the person who build my site because she was one of the person in here who scam soooo many people as she was offering a google page 1 guarantee. She never deliver. She did built my site however, but then when I ask other experience webmasters in here they said my site look pretty weak and not optimized at all.

      If someone wants to fix my site for me, I will give you the job. But I don't know if it is worth it because my keyword: make money online fast
      is pretty competitive. Even though I manage to get it to page 1 for only 2 weeks by buying a whole bunck of fiverr backlinks by rating to my site. Now I think is not even on the top 30 pages.

      Maybe someone can give me some advise

      I wish my site was ranking at least on the top 5. I would pay for some seo and someone to redo my entire site and just make a few changes to it

      Anyways thanks you for all of your advise.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mosa
        There are a lot of scammers here on the warrior forum. What you want to do is spend time researching. Everyone says "take action, take action" but what you need to take action on is research. Learn ONE topic and learn it well. Then when you buy a product in the future, you'll be less likely to get scammed because you've done all the research.
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      • Originally Posted by raywarrior1978 View Post

        my site is eyeexercisesx dot com I am promoting a clickbank product but my keyword eye exercises is way too competitive

        Anyways thanks you for all of your advise.
        You might want to fire your current copywriter, if you have one. The copy on that site is not very good.
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        • Profile picture of the author raywarrior1978
          Yousee what I mean now....

          Maybe I should just go to Odesk and hire someone to build me a site that can rank easily for alot of searches per month.

          or pay someone to redo my 2 clickbank sites

          or just sell them to someone in here if they want them, maybe they know how to monetize them
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          • Profile picture of the author YasirYar
            Originally Posted by raywarrior1978 View Post

            Yousee what I mean now....
            Maybe I should just go to Odesk and hire someone to build me a site that can rank easily for alot of searches per month.
            or pay someone to redo my 2 clickbank sites
            or just sell them to someone in here if they want them, maybe they know how to monetize them
            I'm sure you can find someone out there to help you with your sites. high competition doesn't mean that its not achievable. Start bolgging about your niche and I'm pretty sure that you'll see improvements soon.
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      • Profile picture of the author Flores
        Originally Posted by raywarrior1978 View Post

        most of my sites are adsense sites, I only have 2 sites and all of my sites I had to pay to get thme built for me here on warrior forum

        One of them is too competitive and I didn't know about until my site was finish

        my site is eyeexercisesx dot com I am promoting a clickbank product but my keyword eye exercises is way too competitive

        my other site is makemoneyonlinefastblog dot com and my keyword is make money online fast

        The problem with this site is that I was promoting choose income and this product doesn't exist anymore on clickbank. I wanted to redo my site and promote quick click comissions which has been on the top for a long time. I don't know how to redo my site and target that keyword and I don't know how to change my banners and also how to redirect them to my cb product through my affiliate link. I log into my wordpress dashboard and I spend around 6 freaking hours trying to figure out where is the side banner and how to redirect it to the new cb product but I can't figure this out. I also don't know how to change all of my pages the work choose income to quick clikc commissions and redirect it too. I am soooo confused. Again I had this site built for me.

        I can't go back to the person who build my site because she was one of the person in here who scam soooo many people as she was offering a google page 1 guarantee. She never deliver. She did built my site however, but then when I ask other experience webmasters in here they said my site look pretty weak and not optimized at all.

        If someone wants to fix my site for me, I will give you the job. But I don't know if it is worth it because my keyword: make money online fast
        is pretty competitive. Even though I manage to get it to page 1 for only 2 weeks by buying a whole bunck of fiverr backlinks by rating to my site. Now I think is not even on the top 30 pages.

        Maybe someone can give me some advise

        I wish my site was ranking at least on the top 5. I would pay for some seo and someone to redo my entire site and just make a few changes to it

        Anyways thanks you for all of your advise.
        You need to focus in and then attack. You are going after two different niches, very different niches, and one of them is about making money online, when you just got done saying you cannot make money online. Not only that, but these are insanely competitive niches.

        Even though people claim they have all of these simple formulas for success, they have actually put a lot of time and effort in themselves in order to get to that point. Remember that this is a business: people need to take out their credit cards and buy from you. That is not done buy slapping an affiliate product on a website and sending traffic there (no long-term and very little short-term benefit).

        I am working on an instructional that is supposed to benefit both seasoned and new internet marketers. You seem like you will be very critical of a product, which is a good thing, in my opinion. If you would like a review copy, just send me a PM with your email. Hopefully, it will open your mind up to concepts other than the traditional product + traffic = money formula that the "gurus" are always preaching.
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        • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
          Originally Posted by raywarrior1978 View Post

          I have not succeeded online...

          I don't know what is becoming of warrior forum. I feel like is becoming a place to take advantage of new people and sell them wso's that promise to make money if they take action, but the result is that is a dead end and the only person making money is the wso vendor.

          Some people can't even trick themselves
          Oh yes they can, as an example, just look at this person who has a blog named "makemoneyonlinefast".

          Originally Posted by raywarrior1978 View Post

          my other site is makemoneyonlinefastblog dot com and my keyword is make money online fast
          It's ironic that you are slamming the WF and WSOs yet you yourself are trying to push 'make money online' when clearly you know next to nothing about actually making money online.

          Here's the deal... the internet is a useful advertising medium for people that have something to offer whether that be a product or a service, selling traffic, or promoting a message they want to get out to the masses.

          People who have none of the above yet hope people will exchange their hard earned money for the nothing they have are dreamers. Period.

          It's probably a good time to step away and quit wasting yours and everybody elses time until you actually have a need to use the internet to advertise something.

          And stop blaming the WSO sellers for giving people like you what they want.

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          • Profile picture of the author raywarrior1978
            Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

            Oh yes they can, as an example, just look at this person who has a blog named "makemoneyonlinefast".



            It's ironic that you are slamming the WF and WSOs yet you yourself are trying to push 'make money online' when clearly you know next to nothing about actually making money online.

            Here's the deal... the internet is a useful advertising medium for people that have something to offer whether that be a product or a service, selling traffic, or promoting a message they want to get out to the masses.

            People who have none of the above yet hope people will exchange their hard earned money for the nothing they have are dreamers. Period.

            It's probably a good time to step away and quit wasting yours and everybody elses time until you actually have a need to use the internet to advertise something.

            And stop blaming the WSO sellers for giving people like you what they want.

            ~Bill
            Bill it would of been nice if you would of come up with your own original content without repeating what everyone else is saying. Did you use the best spinner to re-write everyone else comments? You are obviously on the wso seller side by your comment. I am not blaming anyone here for my failure. I know is my fault and I recognize that. I just wish they would stop saying newbie friendly because some wso's are not all newbie friendly.

            By the way you are the only jerk in here telling me I am wasting people's time. If you didn't like what I posted then you should of left. No one put a gun to your head and told you to come waste your time in here specially insulting someone you don't even know. I am surprise you are an older person but yet you lack immaturity by your ignorant comment.

            If you think I am wasting your time, then please don't lower yourself and waste your time responding back this message, for all I know your time is soooooo much more valuable than everyone elses.

            Just my 2 cents...
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            • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
              Originally Posted by raywarrior1978 View Post

              Bill it would of been nice if you would of come up with your own original content without repeating what everyone else is saying. Did you use the best spinner to re-write everyone else comments? You are obviously on the wso seller side by your comment. I am not blaming anyone here for my failure. I know is my fault and I recognize that. I just wish they would stop saying newbie friendly because some wso's are not all newbie friendly.

              By the time you are the only jerk in here telling me I am wasting people's time. If you didn't like what I posted then you should of left. No one put a gun to your head and told you to come waste your time in here specially insulting someone you don't even know. I am surprise you are an older person but yet you lack immaturity by your ignorant comment.

              If you think I am wasting your time, then please don't lower yourself and waste your time responding back this message, for all I know your time is soooooo much more valuable than everyone elses.

              Just my 2 cents...
              Just my 2 dollars worth, inflation ya know.

              One more thing I'd like to add to the outstanding advice you've been given thus far, is that attitude determines altitude. In other words copping an attitude against another warrior who was trying to help won't get you very far.

              Other warriors read it and will be more likely to pass on giving advice to your help quests rather than respond.

              Just a heads up.

              Terra
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              • Profile picture of the author raywarrior1978
                Ok Terra so if someone is insulting me I should just ignore them, right?

                is that you advise?

                Is that how you deal with things in real life?

                I didn't say anything bad, all I said was that he was a jerk for saying that I was wasting everyone's time. What is bad for me to say that? Is that your definition of copping someone out?

                I don't know about you, but I don't like being disrespected. If you are defending him, then I completely understand.

                Thanks Terra for taking the "time" to post your comment.
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                • Profile picture of the author bitriot
                  Originally Posted by raywarrior1978 View Post

                  Ok Terra so if someone is insulting me I should just ignore them, right?

                  is that you advise?

                  Is that how you deal with things in real life?

                  I didn't say anything bad, all I said was that he was a jerk for saying that I was wasting everyone's time. What is bad for me to say that? Is that your definition of copping someone out?

                  I don't know about you, but I don't like being disrespected. If you are defending him, then I completely understand.

                  Thanks Terra for taking the "time" to post your comment.
                  On the internet? Hell yes you should ignore people. Life is too short.

                  You received a great deal of good advice in this thread from kind hearted warriors - including Terra who pointed out how important positive mental attitude is.... and in response, you are combative, talking about respect? How you want to be treated?

                  Here is a tip - You want to be treated with respect? You gotta earn it just like everyone else... and guess what? You sitting here crying on the WF about how hard it is to make money online aint the way to do it.

                  So if you want to find some success (and possibly respect), spend less time worrying about being respected on the internet and more time learning the skill you are going to need to make money online.
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                • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                  Originally Posted by raywarrior1978 View Post

                  Ok Terra so if someone is insulting me I should just ignore them, right?

                  is that you advise?

                  Is that how you deal with things in real life?

                  I didn't say anything bad, all I said was that he was a jerk for saying that I was wasting everyone's time. What is bad for me to say that? Is that your definition of copping someone out?

                  I don't know about you, but I don't like being disrespected. If you are defending him, then I completely understand.

                  Thanks Terra for taking the "time" to post your comment.
                  First of all, the "insult" was your perception of what was said and I believe you let your emotions get the best of you.

                  Yes, you should really just ignore someone if someone is insulting you. You have to weigh whether confronting the perceived insult is worth the ensuing drama that will potentially unfold. You must consider if the impact of it is worth it in the long run, if it will be beneficial to you or detrimental.

                  Personally, more times than not, I'll just roll my eyes and move on, considering the source and quite often, I'll feel sorry for them. You see, I believe that everything you say and do online is building or destroying your reputation whether you want it to or not. And when you are marketing or doing business online, reputation is everything.

                  I won't do business with argumentative people, people who bully, people who talk smack and especially people who belittle others for fun, as it shows me that they really have insecurity problems, self doubt, or are too full of themselves. When I am searching for a service or product, I actually do take these things into account while selecting which business or provider I choose. Simply because if I were to encounter a glitch of any kind, I'm pretty sure the customer service would be seriously lacking and life is to short to choose unneeded drama.

                  I don't demand respect because if you have to demand it, you really don't deserve it. Respect goes hand in hand with developing a good a reputation, it comes with time, or in developing a bad reputation, it never comes at all.

                  Well yes, calling someone a jerk is a bad thing, that is a hit on the "bad" reputation scale, in my opinion.

                  In real life, I live by the philosophy of kill them with kindness.

                  I have shared this with you not to call you out or diss you, but I do hope that these things will help you in your future endeavors and I wish you success.

                  Terra
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                  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                    if someone is insulting me I should just ignore them, right?
                    Online, if that person is know-nothing, ignoring them is best.

                    However, if the person is a marketer who earns a living doing what you WANT to do...what you perceive as insulting may be an inconvenient truth or insight you might want to consider.

                    How you respond to criticism will say more about you than about the person making the critical comments...always.

                    One of the biggest mistakes a new marketer can make, in my opinion, is trying to make money selling "make money" products. You can't teach what you don't know. You can't sell what you don't yet understand. There are so many niches to work in - why choose one almost guaranteed to fail?

                    I understand why new people think "make money" is logical - because that's what they see promoted here all the time. But - this is a "make money" forum - and the offers are geared to that. You can apply the same strategies to build an online business in a niche where you do have some knowledge/interest/experience.

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            • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
              Originally Posted by raywarrior1978 View Post

              I am not blaming anyone here for my failure. I know is my fault and I recognize that.
              Are you sure?

              We are just a prey to this people.
              I have not succeeded online, not because I have not taken any action, trust me I have, but is because I have no coaching, I have taken course that are out dated, and the new courses are not step by step.
              I feel like is becoming a place to take advantage of new people and sell them wso's that promise to make money if they take action, but the result is that is a dead end and the only person making money is the wso vendor.
              Respectfully, as has been said, you are not taking responsibilty for yourself. You have a very defeatist and defeated attitude. I can understand that too. When I began I was in a bad place and it took me two years to figure anything out and make a penny. One thing I didn't have was this forum, I wish I had. I had myself though and the ability to figure out how to do things I couldn't currently do.

              May I also suggest that I've picked up far more knowledge by watching and following what people say here who do know what they're talking about, than from buying WSO's. Then again I'm also aware running a business is not achieved from reading a book, if it was, everyone would have their own business.

              By the way you are the only jerk in here telling me I am wasting people's time. If you didn't like what I posted then you should of left. No one put a gun to your head and told you to come waste your time in here specially insulting someone you don't even know. I am surprise you are an older person but yet you lack immaturity by your ignorant comment.
              That's plain wrong and rude. Bill is one of the most respected people here and a gentleman. Your comment was far more insulting than anything he wrote. He was making a good point - you don't think these WSO's are step by step in terms of showing you how to make money online, yet you have a website telling people how to make money online. How step by step is that exactly? It can't be that good or you wouldn't have posted here today. So in fact, as Bill said, you are the same as the people selling the WSO's that you have a problem with.

              If you think I am wasting your time, then please don't lower yourself
              Likewise.

              Look I know you're frustrated but successful business people often have a few things in common. They can think for themselves, they learn from their mistakes and realise, more often than not, that they need to remedy something they did wrong. They surround themselves with people who do what they need doing, who are better at it than they are. They also don't blame others for their failures.

              You have had some very good advice here, including Bills. Move away from the WSO section and spend sometime learning how things are done. Build your own sites, work out how to get traffic, see it as a hobby that is fun rather than expecting sites to make money like a tap runs water.

              Get away from the shiny objects.

              Forgive me if some of what I wrote was harsh but you do need to look at life a little differently I'm afraid.
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      • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
        Originally Posted by raywarrior1978 View Post

        my site is eyeexercisesx dot com I am promoting a clickbank product but my keyword eye exercises is way too competitive
        You have the wrong mindset.

        my other site is makemoneyonlinefastblog dot com and my keyword is make money online fast
        You have the wrong credentials!

        You can change both, but I am sorry to say, it won't be an overnight affair.

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        • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
          Originally Posted by raywarrior1978 View Post

          Maybe I should just go to Odesk and hire someone to build me a site that can rank easily for alot of searches per month.

          or pay someone to redo my 2 clickbank sites

          or just sell them to someone in here if they want them, maybe they know how to monetize them
          I hate to say it, but maybe in your case it's time to take a step backward and learn to build your own site.

          You can spend a couple of days learning this and have more confidence to make revisions the rest of your life, or you can pay someone every time you need an edit the rest of your life. You do realize you will need things updated and edited forever - right?

          Originally Posted by raywarrior1978 View Post

          Well you said to concentrate on my eyeexercisesx dot com site for my keyword eye eye exercises

          But see now I am confused, someone told me that that keyword is too hard to rank for.

          Also someone just said a few post above to fire my copywriter because my site looks ugly, lol

          Well I pay someone 50 dollars to build me a simple site to promote a cb product call vision without glasses

          My keyword I think get 8,100 exact matches per month

          I don't want to go into the warrior forum for hire section and start buying a whole bunch of baclink packages

          What should I do? I want to outsource this. I someone can rebuild my site and make it look awesome for some roi and optimize my site for my keyword and add some relevant lsi into it that would be great. But then I will have to hire someone who knew what they were doing on backlinks to get my site at least within the top 5

          I also have 7 sites that are adsense sites. Only one or 2 of them are making me money right now. Is not much, i think like 1 dollar or 50 cents per day, but at least is something

          The other 5 are not on the first page and I don't know what backlink or seo strategy I need to get them ranking on the first page

          Very frustrated here
          You and I have opposite problems. You seem to trust everyone to do it for you. I don't trust anyone, lol, and wind up learning how to do it all myself. But I can tell you - I can literally get a site up and going in 2 hours or less, and by the end of the week I can get it ranking for something.

          Someone can give you a decent SEO strategy, but so you know - no one can promise you first page ranking legally. Unless they are the owner of Google.

          And going in even further, getting first page is not the only way to make money. Traffic is all over the web.

          Not saying you need to do everything all of the time, but you should try doing it all just once so you know when you go to outsource exactly what the person should be doing.

          Originally Posted by raywarrior1978 View Post

          Bill it would of been nice if you would of come up with your own original content without repeating what everyone else is saying. Did you use the best spinner to re-write everyone else comments? You are obviously on the wso seller side by your comment. I am not blaming anyone here for my failure. I know is my fault and I recognize that. I just wish they would stop saying newbie friendly because some wso's are not all newbie friendly.
          Newbies are all at different levels. Did you ask questions before making a purchase? Did you find comments that mentioned success - and did you contact those people and ask them questions? Or did you just buy a hot new WSO without waiting for the reviews?


          By the way you are the only jerk in here telling me I am wasting people's time. If you didn't like what I posted then you should of left. No one put a gun to your head and told you to come waste your time in here specially insulting someone you don't even know. I am surprise you are an older person but yet you lack immaturity by your ignorant comment.
          Wow. Not even sure where to go here. I for one would feel the loss if Bill were to not be around. FYI - he's not known for selling the "make a bazillion dollar" type WSO's. His products tend to be tools to make your job easier.

          I don't think he was insulting, or meaning to be either.

          If you think I am wasting your time, then please don't lower yourself and waste your time responding back this message, for all I know your time is soooooo much more valuable than everyone elses.

          Just my 2 cents...
          Bill is one of those people who did just take his valuable time and I agree with him when he said:

          It's probably a good time to step away and quit wasting yours and everybody elses time until you actually have a need
          Right now as much as you have something going, you are still a bit unfocused and you don't really have a "need" here in the main forum - other than to maybe vent a bit about how your sites are not ranking and how you don't know how to edit your own sites.

          Seriously, what did we accomplish here in this post today that pertains to you getting ranked or actually fixing your blog? A lot of hot air flying around - and is your blog fixed yet? Are you on page one as a result of making your initial post here?

          Bills comment was completely valid. It just wasn't something you wanted to hear - but it might be something you need to hear.
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          • Profile picture of the author raywarrior1978
            [QUOTE=Jill Carpenter;5692818]

            Seriously, what did we accomplish here in this post today that pertains to you getting ranked or actually fixing your blog? A lot of hot air flying around - and is your blog fixed yet? Are you on page one as a result of making your initial post here?

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            Jill I notice you wrote this post at 4:30am. How am I wasting your time and asking you to insult me with your ignorant post?

            I did not write this to waste anyone's time or for someone to feel sorry for me and fix my sites or get me free seo work? I did not come in here for pitty. I don't know where you get your ideas from? You seem to be the type of person that you read something and you interpret things the wrong way!

            Now I see why you are on Bill's side. Because you are just the same way, you come in here and read my thread and instead of contributing you come here and insult people. I won't disrespect you because obviously I do not know you and I am not God to judge you in any way.

            If you have nothing positive to say and if you really think that I am wasting your time, then I think the best option for you was just to ignore the thread and find something more valuable to do with your time.

            I hate people that jump into someone's else thread and accused them of wasting their time, or say something stupid like : "Seriously, what did we accomplish here in this post today that pertains to you getting ranked or actually fixing your blog? A lot of hot air flying around - and is your blog fixed yet? " What in the world are you taling about Jill????

            Now that I notice, it is kinda of funny how Jill and Bill come here and one accuses me of wasting people's time and the other one makes me feel the same way by saying" what did I accomplish here today" I just hope not another person name Fill or Sill or Will doesn't come in here and tries to accuse me of something anymore.

            I thought warrior forum was to be a positive community, and I do accept constructive criticism but I what I don't like is for someone to misinterpret what I am writing and start assuming things and then tell me that I am wasting people's time.

            I think the best answer is no answer at all. Just keep your comments to yourself if you have nothing positive to day.

            As for the rest of you who gave me excellent advise, thank you so much. I have started studying the basics of how to use wordpress and I'm going to use it on my make money online site and mess around with it to practice. Practice makes perfect right?
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            • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
              Originally Posted by raywarrior1978 View Post

              Just keep your comments to yourself if you have nothing positive to day.
              Allow me to translate this.

              "Don't tell me what I don't want to hear!"

              This is why you suck at everything. Nobody can tell you how to fix the stupid crap you do without telling you it's stupid and it's crap and you suck. But you don't like that, so you bitch about it.

              A good coach will be even nastier than that.

              What most of us need to get started doing ANYTHING is a swift kick in the arse, and if you don't want one, you're going to sit there doing jack squat until you figure out that you need what you need whether you like it or not.
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              • Profile picture of the author raywarrior1978
                CDarlock,,,ooooohh I get it now, so in order for me to learn I have to listen and accept people disrespect me. Ok that makes alot of sense.

                I had a feeling that I needed to be talk to rudely to learn. Wow can you please talk to me more rude so I can learn so much from you...pretty please. (i'm being sarcastic by the way)

                I can give someone great advise about basketabll because I play it all of my life and I am a very good player, but I have never made anyone feel bad by my advice. There is a big difference between being firm and being disrespectful. Obviously you can't tell the difference because you are saying that is something I don't want to hear, actually I think you meant read because you can't really hear anything in here, right? or am I wrong?

                I have gladly accepted people's advice in here and I am taking action by starting to watch some tutorials about the basics to using wordpress.

                Anyways, I leave it at that and forget the previous post from those who keep repeating the same thing over and over.

                I learn my lesson and will not post anything in here anymore, as I see that people in here instead of helping are critizing me.

                Oh by the way, the person who said something about the secret, dude I watched that 2 years ago, read the book, watch the dvd, and they are full of crap. If you really believe in that, then you have major issues. There is even one of the members from there who got interview in 20/20 and exposed the truth and said this was just a campaign to make money of the books and dvd's. He also exposed all of the paid actors and fake testimonials on their website. I did aloooot of research on it because just like you I felt for it at the beginning but then I realize that it was all a scam. if you research this yourself you will find out. But thank you anyways, you didn't know about it.

                Peace out!
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                • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
                  Originally Posted by raywarrior1978 View Post

                  CDarlock,,,ooooohh I get it now, so in order for me to learn I have to listen and accept people disrespect me.
                  No, you don't get it.

                  Telling people to keep their advice to themselves is rude and disrespectful of you.

                  Jill asked a perfectly reasonable question: you came in here and asked for advice. You got a bunch of it. You claim that you take action, you just don't have good coaching. Well, lots of people coached you on what to do.

                  What have you done?

                  Because if you're going to come in here and get advice, then do nothing with it, you're wasting everyone's time. People are trying to help you. The very least you can do is let them.

                  But you didn't like that, because you haven't done squat, so you basically told her to shut up.

                  Look, jackhole, you came in here asking for free help and some of the people helping you charge hundreds of dollars an hour for that help. All you're doing is reminding us why we don't do this for free: because you don't appreciate it.

                  Now go whinge about your crappy site somewhere else. I'll keep my advice to myself until you break out some cash.
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                  • Profile picture of the author raywarrior1978
                    Cdarlock are you freaking crazy man?

                    What have I done you asked? Dude I just posted this thread what, like one or 2 days ago and you are asking me what have I done?

                    I don't know if you have a job or what, but I work alot and i get home exhausted. I did take action, didn't you read????

                    I said that I started watching wordpress turorials to learn how to use wordpress, is watching video tutorials not taken action?

                    Did you bother reading all of the previous post?

                    That was one or I think even more members telling me to do that action and I am doing it!

                    What else do you want me to do is the 2 hours a day I have free when I get home from work?

                    You want me to follow everyone's advice?

                    I wish I could man, but I have to work and pay bills. Sorry to disappoint you man. I wish I could make you happier, sorry we are not meant for each other, haha
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                    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
                      Originally Posted by raywarrior1978 View Post

                      is watching video tutorials not taken action?
                      Exactly. Watching videos is not taking action.

                      You started watching WordPress tutorials. Great.

                      1. Which ones did you watch?
                      2. What did you learn how to do?
                      3. Did you go out and do it?

                      There's the action-taking part. Right there. The one where you go out and do it.

                      If you've got excuses, I don't care. Fix them. You can get a HostGator account for a penny the first month. You can get a .info domain name for $2 the first year. And then you have your own hosting on your own domain where you can install WordPress.

                      Even if you decide not to be some kind of WordPress expert, you'll still have a domain and hosting to use for whatever you decide to do. You will have gotten somewhere. You will have done something. Even with the greatest excuse in the world for why you can't do the WordPress thing, you will have a place to do something else.


                      And it will take less time to do this than it will take to respond to this post, so just STFU and go do it. Then come back here and post a link to your brand-new WordPress blog where you took some damn action. Nut up or shut up.
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    • Profile picture of the author Global Warrior
      Hi Ray

      I sent you an email last week. Did you get it?

      There are WSO's that are FREE
      There are WSO's that aren't hyped up.
      There are WSO's that work.
      There are WSO's that give you all of the details in the sales letter and give you ALL the details you need to partake in the product the WSO is promoting BEFORE you have to pay out 1 penny.
      There are WSO's that don't have One Time Offers.
      There are WSO's that promote a product that DON'T have an auto-responder so you wont be bombarded with c**p everyday.
      There are WSO's that are promoting the launch of a new company. Thats COMPANY, not some cheap throw-away doesn't work software, or a book that allegedly tells you how to make a gazillion bucks overnight.

      There are people that want to help....and there are people that want to see you succeed. If you have 3-5 hours to spare and want to find a WSO that has all of the above..... check the sig

      With any WSO you will need to make an investment in TIME AND MONEY in order to make money. Perhaps its wise now to determine for yourself, how much time and how much money are you prepared to invest, in order to get a return. But one thing you HAVE to be comfortable with is that you NEED to make an investment. Education costs money.

      Good luck anyway and i hope you get the answers you seek.

      All the best

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    • Profile picture of the author bitriot
      Beginners tend to make IM into some super complicated thing... it really isn't. Just find a proven system and stick with it. You will learn everything you need to know along the way - it isn't going to happen overnight (in most cases anyhow).

      And FWIIW I would try adsense and amazon affiliates for getting the ball rolling in your internet marketing efforts. Clickbank is harder to promote and tends to lean towards a mailing list model which is, in my opinion, not a newbie friendly strategy.

      But it sounds like your biggest problem is that you aren't ranking your keywords up in google so, in all likelihood, what you need to focus on is improving your KW research and improving your backlinking efforts.
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      • Profile picture of the author raywarrior1978
        Well you said to concentrate on my eyeexercisesx dot com site for my keyword eye eye exercises

        But see now I am confused, someone told me that that keyword is too hard to rank for.

        Also someone just said a few post above to fire my copywriter because my site looks ugly, lol

        Well I pay someone 50 dollars to build me a simple site to promote a cb product call vision without glasses

        My keyword I think get 8,100 exact matches per month

        I don't want to go into the warrior forum for hire section and start buying a whole bunch of baclink packages

        What should I do? I want to outsource this. I someone can rebuild my site and make it look awesome for some roi and optimize my site for my keyword and add some relevant lsi into it that would be great. But then I will have to hire someone who knew what they were doing on backlinks to get my site at least within the top 5

        I also have 7 sites that are adsense sites. Only one or 2 of them are making me money right now. Is not much, i think like 1 dollar or 50 cents per day, but at least is something

        The other 5 are not on the first page and I don't know what backlink or seo strategy I need to get them ranking on the first page

        Very frustrated here
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        • Profile picture of the author tpw
          Originally Posted by raywarrior1978 View Post

          Well you said to concentrate on my eyeexercisesx dot com site for my keyword eye eye exercises

          But see now I am confused, someone told me that that keyword is too hard to rank for.

          Also someone just said a few post above to fire my copywriter because my site looks ugly, lol

          Well I pay someone 50 dollars to build me a simple site to promote a cb product call vision without glasses

          My keyword I think get 8,100 exact matches per month

          I don't want to go into the warrior forum for hire section and start buying a whole bunch of baclink packages

          What should I do? I want to outsource this. I someone can rebuild my site and make it look awesome for some roi and optimize my site for my keyword and add some relevant lsi into it that would be great. But then I will have to hire someone who knew what they were doing on backlinks to get my site at least within the top 5

          I also have 7 sites that are adsense sites. Only one or 2 of them are making me money right now. Is not much, i think like 1 dollar or 50 cents per day, but at least is something

          The other 5 are not on the first page and I don't know what backlink or seo strategy I need to get them ranking on the first page

          Very frustrated here

          The problem with getting advice in the forum is some people are unqualified to give a qualified answer.

          You must be able to read between the gibberish and the quality.

          Especially if someone says, "fire your copy writer, because your site is ugly..."

          Copy writers make the words sell...

          Web designers make the sites pretty...

          Expecting one person to be skilled in the other field of expertise is plain silly.



          Building sites is a means to an end. Getting traffic is a means to an end. The end goal is to get sales with a profit. And reaching profits usually begins with a good business plan and marketing plan.

          Perhaps your biggest problem right now is that you see the end you want to reach, but you do not yet have a workable plan to follow to help you reach the desired end.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
        Originally Posted by bitriot View Post

        Beginners tend to make IM into some super complicated thing... it really isn't. Just find a proven system and stick with it. You will learn everything you need to know along the way - it isn't going to happen overnight (in most cases anyhow).
        Good advice bitriot. I completely agree.

        I've only ever purchased something like 5 - 7 eBooks (etc.) in my entire life however I have a solid plan which I'm working on every day.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I've looked back over your previous posts and threads and it's clear where the problem is. You are smart enough to make money online - you clearly have the ambition.

      What you don't show is any self-reliance. You have fallen into the trap of thinking you have to "buy" a way to succeed. You made yourself prey - and I expect you've gotten a lot of PMs by people trying to sell to you or get money from you for some kind of work.

      Get out of the "buy it" mentality. Stop waiting for someone else to tell you what to do. If what you want is to learn keyword research - focus on that one thing until you learn it. Use the search on this forum - and search google - and watch videos - and figure it out. If you buy a keyword tool or a site builder - go through the training complete and learn how to use what you bought.

      Did you follow through with a wordpress tutorial? Did you look up free courses on how to do keyword research or how to build amazon sites or the other things you've asked about. You are jumping here and there instead of concentrating on one area before moving to the next.

      Almost everything you need to know to make money is on this forum already for FREE or available as free ebooks or youtube videos online. You don't have to hire someone to "make a site for me that earns $20 a day". There's no point to buying websites or blogs if you don't know how to work with them once you have them.

      I think you do need to hire content written due to the English factor - but you can build your own sites and learn how to use Wordpress correctly. The info is there - google search leads to an amazing amount of info.

      You need to get away from buying on WSO after another - of course you are prey because you don't yet know how to choose products that serve your business model instead of your desire for $$$.

      Yes we went to school 5 days a week and if we didn't understand something we can ask the teacher right there and there. I don't know about you, but to me that is the only way I can learn. Now I know I am not going to get anyone to come to my house and teach me face to face, but I would love a coach that I can talk to 5 days a week for an entire month a guide me through the whole process.
      When you went to school - the teacher was being paid. You are making excuses as many newbies have been doing recently here. If you don't understand part of a tutorial or instructions in a WSO you bought - chances are you can find the exact answer you need if you LOOK for it. You don't need someone else to point you to it.

      Expecting a successful marketer to be available to you 5 days a week is not realistic. Why would someone drop their own work to build your business for you? Learning IM is a bit like school - but it's like university, not grammar school.

      When you do ask questions, you've gotten some very good advice. Your answer, too often, is "Yes, but...." and you go on to explain why that advice doesn't work for you. Remember YOU are the one who needs info - so accept the advice you get and learn from it instead of arguing it or making excuses.

      I don't mean to be rude - but you need to get your mind away from "someONE has to help me/show me/lead me". Don't think of yourself as a helpless newbie - develop the mindset of a beginning marketer.

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      • Profile picture of the author raywarrior1978
        Thanks Kay King for your words of wisdom and inspiration.
        You're truly are exceptional!

        Any course in particular you can recommend me for learning how to use wordpress and a course for learning keyword research.
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      • Profile picture of the author sarahparks
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        I've looked back over your previous posts and threads and it's clear where the problem is. You are smart enough to make money online - you clearly have the ambition.

        What you don't show is any self-reliance. You have fallen into the trap of thinking you have to "buy" a way to succeed. You made yourself prey - and I expect you've gotten a lot of PMs by people trying to sell to you or get money from you for some kind of work.

        Get out of the "buy it" mentality. Stop waiting for someone else to tell you what to do. If what you want is to learn keyword research - focus on that one thing until you learn it. Use the search on this forum - and search google - and watch videos - and figure it out. If you buy a keyword tool or a site builder - go through the training complete and learn how to use what you bought.

        Did you follow through with a wordpress tutorial? Did you look up free courses on how to do keyword research or how to build amazon sites or the other things you've asked about. You are jumping here and there instead of concentrating on one area before moving to the next.

        Almost everything you need to know to make money is on this forum already for FREE or available as free ebooks or youtube videos online. You don't have to hire someone to "make a site for me that earns $20 a day". There's no point to buying websites or blogs if you don't know how to work with them once you have them.

        I think you do need to hire content written due to the English factor - but you can build your own sites and learn how to use Wordpress correctly. The info is there - google search leads to an amazing amount of info.

        You need to get away from buying on WSO after another - of course you are prey because you don't yet know how to choose products that serve your business model instead of your desire for $$$.



        When you went to school - the teacher was being paid. You are making excuses as many newbies have been doing recently here. If you don't understand part of a tutorial or instructions in a WSO you bought - chances are you can find the exact answer you need if you LOOK for it. You don't need someone else to point you to it.

        Expecting a successful marketer to be available to you 5 days a week is not realistic. Why would someone drop their own work to build your business for you? Learning IM is a bit like school - but it's like university, not grammar school.

        When you do ask questions, you've gotten some very good advice. Your answer, too often, is "Yes, but...." and you go on to explain why that advice doesn't work for you. Remember YOU are the one who needs info - so accept the advice you get and learn from it instead of arguing it or making excuses.

        I don't mean to be rude - but you need to get your mind away from "someONE has to help me/show me/lead me". Don't think of yourself as a helpless newbie - develop the mindset of a beginning marketer.

        kay
        I agree with everything you've said, Kay. I was like many newbies not so long ago, figuring I could put my product on a site and make money. Period. Not so much. There is SO much else that goes into it and I have learned first-hand that there is NO ONE else to do the work for you. You may be able to outsource some things, but you have to understand them to an extent before you can outsource. How on earth would you know if the outsourcer is doing the job right, or even how to choose the right outsourcer for the work? You HAVE to be willing to sit down and research. Honestly, Google is enough for many answers. Just to figure out what a term means or where to go to learn more about certain subjects.

        When I started creating my own WordPress site because I knew it would be far cheaper than Kajabi, I knew NOTHING about creating websites. WordPress.com vs. WordPress.org was enough to give me a migraine until I figured out the difference. So what did I do? I got really familiar with the WordPress forum.

        When I had to produce the videos for my product, I had no idea where even to start. But today I can whip through iMovie, Camtasia, PowerPoint, Screencast, and WordPress to create a video from scratch and upload it to my site.

        When I had to figure out the jargon of Internet Marketing when I started, I had to get over the head-spinning and research it.

        You have to do the work first. You have to realize that you can't outsource everything. You have to have a clear eye when you read all those WSO's and other online product sales pages and notice patterns. You can start to realize pretty soon what's a scam. Yes, you'll have to pay out a bit to get that knowledge, but it's no more expensive than a college tuition to do the same thing. Kay is right: this is like university, not grammar school, and there are no teachers reminding you about your homework due.

        There is no reason why you can't succeed at this. But take the advice you're getting in this thread from all the Warriors who are taking time away from their own work to help you and stop saying, "Yes, but..." and say, "Okay, how do I do that?" It'll be a step in the right direction.

        Good luck, Ray. You can do this.
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  • Profile picture of the author rooze
    I think you're brave to come out and make these comments. I also think your comments represent a large percentage of people who get into this, so kudos for having the balls to say what you think.
    On your websites, I think your 'make money' site is too competitive. Personally, and people will disagree, with your level of expertise I would put that site on ice and focus on the Eye project.
    The problem with 'step by step' guides is they're written for the masses, so not everything applies to every situation. So people become confused not knowing which steps to follow and which to pass over. So you do need to weave in a bit of your own interpretation and research - use your own common sense, even with step-by-step guides.
    If you wanted to be more specific on the areas you've been getting stuck there are people here who will help. But you need to tell us that you're still interested, still enthusiastic about it. It's hard to give up time on a person who says they've quit, or they're about to quit.
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  • Profile picture of the author bitriot
    Anyhow, you are right that a keyword like eye exercises is too tough for someone like yourself... But I bet you could optimise and achieve rankings for some slightly less competative terms like:

    how to improve eyesight
    eye exercises to improve vision

    quite easily with the proper backlinking strategy.

    p.s. Does anyone else see the irony in someone complaining what a scam WSO's are while working on a site called make money fast while not knowing at all how to make money?
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    You've underlined the difference between the success and failure.

    It's about overcoming obstacles. If you can't overcome these obstacles, you will fail.

    I don't think any product can account for every single obstacle you will face. Everyone has a different skill level and ability and know-how.

    Your obstacle could be something as simple as you don't know what Wordpress theme to use, for example. So you spend hours looking for a good theme and you finally find the right one, upload it and then let's say you have some kind of problem with the widget you are supposed to be using according to a WSO. So you can't figure it out and you give up. Boom, you failed. Because you didn't have the perseverance to overcome a simple obstacle.

    Not many will say it but it's really that simple. You have to take responsibility for your own actions. Nothing will go as planned.

    It's a true a lot of products leave out a lot of the details. Some could probably do better so as to help people overcome obstacles faster. But I think even a solid product cannot account for every personal challenge each buyer will face when going to implement. Some stuff you just have to figure out on your own and realize that you have a brain to figure stuff out and overcome obstacles.

    In my opinion, it's one of the few main reasons for failure. In fact, someone could be so close to success but give up because they throw their hands up in the air and give up too easily, even if their last obstacle may be just a minor one.

    Make a conscious decision not to be that person. We seem to look at IM like it's some magical way of creating success and it's somehow different from all the other things we do in life. I think this pie-in-the-sky approach to IM sets up a lot of people for failure right from the outset. Even people who may be very successful in other areas of their life.

    So, realize this is like anything else. There will be challenges, everyone's ability and story will be different. Face it just like anything else in life, and you can do yourself a huge favor in the long run.
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    You're frustrated because you want it to be easier. Obviously it isn't easy, or everyone would who tries would find wild success.

    If you're dead-set on using SEO and getting your sites ranked, you may want to take a look at this WSO:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...0-reviews.html

    Note: I have absolutely no affiliation to this WSO.

    I know he had that guaranteed service open for a long time, but he closed it down and I think this is the first time this year he's opened the guaranteed page one ranking, so who knows if he'll close it down again soon.

    Also, it may take a while to rank your keywords so you may have to have some patience. Also, there's no guarantee of what kind of money you'll make once you do rank on Page One. In reality, I don't think 8,100 is enough to make tons of money unless it's a buyers keyword and the buyers spend a lot of money. I wasn't clear on what the keyword was for that.
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  • Profile picture of the author digichik
    The most important thing any Newbie can do is to learn the fundamentals of internet marketing. This should be the first step, learning the basics.

    Most Newbies want to make money immediately, with out knowing the basics.

    Newbies never seem to consider the facts -- No expert/guru is making any money without utilizing the basic skills of internet marketing!!!!

    Most Newbies seem to think they can skip the step of learning the fundamentals and go straight to making the money.

    If you take the time to build your fundamental skill set, then you will be able to take advantage of many of the WSOs offered. In addition, if important information is left out, when you know the fundamentals, you will be able to fill in the blanks and successfully implement many programs.

    If you don't learn the basics it is easy for you to be taken advantage of, and you will waste lots of money and more importantly lots of time.

    Learn The Essential Basics!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Ward
    Kay King posted a lot of what I was going to say when I started typing this, but I totally agree.

    Sounds like you aren't actually doing any work but just throwing money at things and hoping something comes out of it. That is never going to get you anywhere. You need to have some knowledge of how to do things yourself before you can reliably pay someone to do it for you. Like your example of changing the banner on that website: you should be able to do that in about 15 seconds.

    If you're going to make websites, step away from the WF entirely for a minute. Go to Google and start reading tutorials on Wordpress and how to change things on it, switch themes, etc. Figure out what a basic, good website would look like and how you could make it yourself. There are thousands of stay-at-home mom bloggers that have it figured out, so there's no reason you shouldn't be able to, too.

    You are never going to get anywhere if you don't try to learn things yourself instead of throwing money at the wall and hoping something magically appears out of it. You say you bought a bunch of WSOs, but did you even read them?

    I'm going to bet that the majority of people here that make money online didn't have someone holding their hand the entire time. If you want to succeed in IM you need to learn on your own. Things change all the time, especially in SEO (which you are targetting) and if you don't learn it and keep up with it yourself you are not going to get anywhere. At least if you're going to keep hiring the services of people who get paid less than $5 to do what they do to your site.
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  • Profile picture of the author Flores
    Originally Posted by raywarrior1978 View Post

    Hi. I know there is probably many people in here...
    Need a PM of your email if you want the review copy. I still do not have enough posts to PM back. let me know.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Any course in particular you can recommend me
      Whoopos - you are doing it again

      Google search for "free wordpress tutorials" (without quotes)

      and take YOUR pick of them.

      That's my point - you don't need me to tell you every detail. Take the ball and run with it. You'll be fine if you just trust yourself.
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  • Profile picture of the author pizzatherapy
    What you don't show is any self-reliance. You have fallen into the trap of thinking you have to "buy" a way to succeed. You made yourself prey - and I expect you've gotten a lot of PMs by people trying to sell to you or get money from you for some kind of work.

    Get out of the "buy it" mentality. Stop waiting for someone else to tell you what to do. If what you want is to learn keyword research - focus on that one thing until you learn it. Use the search on this forum - and search google - and watch videos - and figure it out. If you buy a keyword tool or a site builder - go through the training complete and learn how to use what you bought.

    Did you follow through with a wordpress tutorial? Did you look up free courses on how to do keyword research or how to build amazon sites or the other things you've asked about. You are jumping here and there instead of concentrating on one area before moving to the next.

    Almost everything you need to know to make money is on this forum already for FREE or available as free ebooks or youtube videos online. You don't have to hire someone to "make a site for me that earns $20 a day". There's no point to buying websites or blogs if you don't know how to work with them once you have them.
    Kay King, you make so much sense. Great advice my friend!

    If you want to be good at something, you need to learn your craft.

    The fact of the matter is that once you have set up a word press blog from scatch you can do it again and again. Everything becomes fairly easy once you do it a few times.

    My advice?

    Get out of the "money making niche". Why do you want to spend time promoting how to make money when you are not making any money yourself?

    There seems to be a total disconnect here...

    Yes..invest in the War Room and vow to yourself you will never buy another WSO until you have made some money on-line and you can afford it. Then you can buy all the WSO's you want with money you have made.

    Find another niche other than the "how to make money".

    Have passion, take action...

    And find another niche!
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  • Profile picture of the author jodiesmitham
    Hi raywarrior1978,

    I can understand your frustration. I am by no means an expert in IM, but one thing I decided to do when I started out 6 months ago was to see how far I could get without spending a dime. Someone pointed me in the direction of the Smart Passive Income website, where the owner (Pat Flynn) showed exactly how he set up and monetized a website. I used his blog to set up my current website and I did it word for word, but chose my own niche. I found that all the information is out there, you just have to spend ages researching. Pat's website is an excellent short cut and I hope you are able to use his blog to become a success yourself.

    The first part of how he created his successful website is here: Niche Site Duel: I’ve Been Challenged…and I Accept | The Smart Passive Income Blog

    Good luck.

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  • Profile picture of the author WilliamBlah
    You do not NEED to buy anything.

    Pick an aim. A specific target like: Make x per month with y method.

    Only ever buy anything if it will directly contribute towards helping you reach this aim.

    Good luck!

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  • Profile picture of the author AdenWhite
    With WSO's, stick with the authors that are trustworthy, that have, on the rare occasion a testimonial from someone actually making money, rather than just saying how great the course is.

    I know what you mean. Many of the WSO's are just terrible. But now and again you get a gem that is worth hundreds more than you paid.
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  • Profile picture of the author ianstables
    The fact is that a lot of products are making promises they rarely fulfill. They make money by selling you the dream. That's how they sweet talk you out of your money.

    Over the years I've wasted a ton of money by courses that gave you information but were not step-by-step. Therefore I always make my products easy to follow step-by-step.

    It's often a shame that some products out there do give good information but don't take you by the hand step-by-step. However, you still need to put the effort in. Sadly no such thing as press a button and out pops some money. I wish!

    However, if you follow a step-by-step system that is real, not get rich quick no work, then you will make money.
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  • Profile picture of the author jendoe
    Hey Ray,

    I'm sorry you're having such a hard time. And, I agree that there are WSOs out there that don't deliver. I know that I've been disappointed in several, though for different reasons, and it has really made me a much harder sell for not just WSOs, but everything.

    That said, I don't think the WSOs are the entire problem here. But I'll get to that in a second...

    First, I want to be really honest with you here. And, I apologize if this sounds harsh, but... if you're making $11/hour, you need to NOT spend money on WSOs, having sites built for you, outsourcing, etc. Unless someone else is paying for your housing/food/etc, I don't see how you'd have the budget to take care of your day-to-day needs and put money towards all this extra stuff. Especially things like people building sites for you (which you can learn to do for free/cheap) - that's like paying someone to come wash your car, or come clean your house. It's something you do to save time when you have money to spare... not a "necessity".

    When you talk about having 15 sites built for you (and not understanding how to modify them) - it sounds like you are treating Internet Marketing as some kind of magic money-making machine... you put in $100 for a site, and poof - out comes thousands of dollars.

    And, as you've found out, it just doesn't work that way - no matter the ads say. If it were really truly just about having someone build you a cheapo website, it would be like a perpetual money machine. You put a hundred dollars, and get $1000 out. Then you put $1000 in for 10 new sites, and get $10,000 out. Put that back in and suddenly you've got $100k. We'd all be millionaires and there would be no need for forums like this where people gnash their teeth trying to figure out how things work.

    (You said: )"Remember the way we all learn things. Yes we went to school 5 days a week and if we didn't understand something we can ask the teacher right there and there. I don't know about you, but to me that is the only way I can learn."

    This is a problem. If the only way you can learn is truly in a class, with one-on-one instruction - that's a huge problem, because it's not how the rest of the world functions. (And one-on-one instruction is ALWAYS going to be MUCH more expensive. How can it not be, when you have to pay someone to stop working on their business and spend time focusing on just one person?)

    When I run into something I don't know with internet marketing (like how to set something up), here's what I do:

    - Google. This is how I learned what htaccess files, and how to send people that were hotlinking to my pictures to another picture that said "stop it!".

    - Ask on the forums. Come here and post a question.

    - Try things out. If I want to see how something works, I set up a dummy page on one of my sites (no links to it, so people can accidentally navigate to it while I'm working on it) and play with it.

    - Read instructions from the real authorities - ie read the Terms and Conditions for Amazon associates, or look for a Google-written explanation of how Google analytics works (if it's a question about a product/service/etc.)

    - If it's something in a WSO, try contacting the author. I tend to not do this, but if you've bought the WSO and something is unclear, you may try it.

    Really, doing the research in Google - though it can be tedious and timeconsuming, is for me the best bet. It takes time. But, I feel like I can get a better handle on information (I can identify areas where an author might be giving me bad information, for example.)

    So, again, I don't think your problem is the WSOs. I think it's two things:

    1- Not taking a pro-active research mindset to finding answers. It sounds like you expect everything to be written out for you, and that's just not realistic (sorry). Sometimes you have to go out and find the answer, either through research or through experimentation.

    2- Hiring everything out

    I know there's a very pro-outsourcing attitude in IM. But, if you don't know how something works and you pay someone else to do it - I think you're asking for trouble. You're giving up control of your business, you have no way to know if they're doing a good job, and as you've seen, you can get yourself stuck in a situation where you have something like a website - but can't make any kind of changes to it (and websites are dynamic, they will always need some kind of updating.)

    So again, I'm sorry if I sound harsh. I think you posted looking for empathy, and I'm afraid this is going to read like a slap in the face, though I certainly don't mean it to be.

    But, remember, we were ALL there once. We all face this same struggle, and we will continue to do so every day as we go forward, because things are always changing. One day, you might be making a comfortable income from Amazon affiliates -then the next a new law in your state gets you kicked out of the program and you have to figure out what to do. Or you have a site making good money off advertising, and then suddenly Google changes it's algorithm and your site disappears and gets no traffic. We constantly have to learn, adjust, adapt, and keep trying things - even once you start making money - you can't EVER just sit back and expect people to give you the answers, because they can't - things change too fast for anyone to be able to do that.

    And finally, if I might offer some advice...

    1. Learn to build your sites yourself. Whether it's wordpress or straight up HTML or squidoo or whatever... so that you can stop paying people for this, and have control (and confidence) over your business.

    Why not take one of the sites that you think is completely hopeless, and spend some time just playing with it and learning how it works and how to make changes to it? Find some free tutorials online, and either go through the steps and learn how to work with what's there, or wipe the site out completely (maybe backup first?) and re-install wordpress, and just really learn how it all works.

    If you do this with a site that you have no expectations of profiting on, you can really just work on learning how it works, and not worry about if it's making money. This will be the foundation for all the other (hopefully money-making) sites you create in the future.

    2. Take joy in the learning. I don't know what else to say about this - there's always going to be so much to learn and try and figure out, I don't see how you anyone can survive in an ever-changing business like this if you don't actually enjoy learning new things.

    3. Are your 15 sites all using the same method to make money? Perhaps it might make sense to just start with one site... and really work it until it's making some money, and you understand how/why? Or at the most, 3 sites - just in case you have a couple of duds in there?

    4. Extra thought: if all of your sites are selling clickbank products, consider moving to something else. I think clickbank can be a tough sell to customers, alot of the products seem scammy and overpriced, consumers don't know who "clickbank" is, and on top of all that - it's hard to start with them (with their requirements to make 5 sales with different credit cards before being paid, and the charge of $2.50 for them to pay you, even by direct deposit.) I'm not saying "oh you should use Amazon", but just to compare, I started with clickbank and really struggled, with Amazon, the initial sales came alot faster/easier for me, they don't require a minimum number of purchases, the minimum payout is only $10, and they direct deposit at no charge to you (so you get the money you earn, you're not nickled-and-dimed out of all of it.) I'm sure there are other reliable, good affiliate programs that are similar... just a thought.


    One other thought, if your current method isn't making you money... maybe it's not the right method for you. My person belief is that different methods suit different personalities. I'm sure I'd be a failure at CPA for example, because I'm NOT a "real quick throw something up" agile type of person. I think detailed reviews are a great venue for me, however, because I tend to be... well, detailed and analytical. Maybe the method you're using isn't a good match for your personality?

    OK - sorry this turned out much longer than I intended, and I had to stop in the middle to take a work call, so I'm not sure what else has been posted. I hope this helps, or at least gives you some things to think about.

    Good luck to you!
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by raywarrior1978 View Post

    But how can take action if all of this wso's don't explain things super detail
    If you want super detail, you aren't going to get it in a $7 WSO.

    Learning by yourself is extremely hard.
    This is why there are a bunch of paid mastermind groups ranging from $50 to $500 a month.

    The only way they probably make money is by selling this wso's in here.
    Professional coaches usually make money by coaching, not by running the businesses they coach people to create. This is normal.

    I don't know about you, but to me that is the only way I can learn.

    I would love a coach that I can talk to 5 days a week for an entire month a guide me through the whole process. But then again this gurus will take advantage of you and charge you like $20,000 thousand dollars.
    It's not about what you make in a month. It's about what your coach makes in a month. If you want someone to stop doing what he does for a month and teach you how to do it, you're going to have to pay him just about what he makes doing it. Probably more, or why should he bother?

    I have not succeeded online, not because I have not taken any action, trust me I have, but is because I have no coaching
    You have no coaching because you have not gotten any coaching.

    Getting coaching is an action. You have not taken it.
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    • Profile picture of the author raywarrior1978
      You have no coaching because you have not gotten any coaching.

      Getting coaching is an action. You have not taken it.[/QUOTE]


      I have not taken action on coaching because I can not afford to pay them like you said what they make in a month. Duh...Is not about taking action, is where the heck do I come up with that much.

      I am going to do what t other experience warrior are advising me to do, and learn how to use wordpress properly and then learn how to do keyword research

      Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Coachdirk
    you said; "but I would love a coach that I can talk to 5 days a week for an entire month a guide me through the whole process."

    You have hundreds of coaches 24/7 at your service here on the forum Ray. And they allready gave you great advise. A summary:
    -be patient.
    -Take your time learning one skill at a time.
    - Search for free WSOs
    - Search for free info on the net (youtube for instance).
    - focus on what you have to offer first

    I would like to add some questions: what is your goal? Making money is just a means to an end. What are your values. What do you want to offer other people. If you can turn that into information focus on that first. Forget about traffic generating technics (Seo, backlinking) or conversion generating technics (wordpress design, sales copy) when you have only affiliate links to share. If you really want to make it a both successful and fun, focus on what you like and, again, what value you can give to others.
    suggestion for an info product? "How to get free coaching from hundreds of coaches" and show this thread

    just my perception
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    • Profile picture of the author PattC
      I am new to the internet marketing world myself, and realized I needed to follow someone who has been successful. I recommend the Chris Farrell Membership Service. Chris has thousands of videos about every aspect of internet marketing, and a very helpful forum. You can take a peek for 7 days for just $4.95. If you want to pursue further, it's $37.00 a month.

      If you're interested, visit my squeeze page for a FREE E-book and Success Grenade Newsletter to get started.
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  • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
    I agree: he (Bill F.) is absolutely lacking immaturity
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  • Profile picture of the author abbadox
    What is going on with helping out people who can't make money online on warrior forum?
    Hey Ray, I understand your problem and to be honest no one can do it all for you. The reason you read on the forums so much about taking action is because most people do not really take much action. They buy the latest and greatest WSO and expect to wake up rich and that is not going to happen.

    If you have a specific problem then please post it and we would be glad to help.

    I do have a program I created awhile back that was written just to help new people become profitable online. The url is: newbieprofitcoach.com and I would be happy to give you a copy for free.

    If your interested shoot me a pm with your email address and I will send you a copy.
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  • Profile picture of the author wilken
    I don't think anybody is going to sell some great money making secrets cause if somebody is able to make a serious amount of money with a particular technique, he/she won't bother to sell it for several bucks instead of heavily using it to make tons of money.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    And this is why I stay mostly in Off Topic. :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author Cataclysm1987
    Blah blah blah, take action, mindset or some junk, yadda yadda, don't get distracted!

    Just kidding. But seriously, thanks for this post. If you want to run some ideas past me on Skype some time I'd be happy to help you out.

    Half the stuff people say on here is bullcrap. That's half the battle of WF is finding the REAL people who are here to help and not just writing crappy WSO's in their mom's basement...

    Hope you figure it out.
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    • Profile picture of the author halo3
      if you realy want to make money you need to start from the "briggs and bolts" of the buiesness, meaning SEO, and start to build your site by your self and not through wordpress but with dreamweaver.

      that way you will truly understand what you're doing
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    Sometimes the truth hurts.. but people need to hear it. Things arent gonna change if people keep sugar-coating the facts.

    I dont see anything "rude" posted by anyone in here. MAYBE Andy Button was being a bit rude.. I havent checked your site for myself, so I dont know - but it IS possible that your copy sucks. But again, I havent checked it so I'm not saying it does.. BUT if it does suck, then he isnt being rude. Hes giving his honest input, which you should welcome.

    If MY stuff sucks, I want to know about it.

    So the way I see it, everyone in here is giving you some solid advice.

    But what you decide to with that advice is, well, up to YOU.

    I'm just gonna end my post with that. No point in echoing what has already been posted by others.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    The best way to learn (even better from a course), is to "fail into success". At this stage of your frustration, it'll probably be better to throw yourself into the woods and try to fend off the wolves. Sounds like you're tired of WSO's that dont work for you... so what other option do you have? If selling on your own website is too tough, maybe you should consider Ebay or Amazon.
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    • Profile picture of the author rltenney
      Originally Posted by Randall Magwood View Post

      The best way to learn (even better from a course), is to "fail into success". At this stage of your frustration, it'll probably be better to throw yourself into the woods and try to fend off the wolves. Sounds like you're tired of WSO's that dont work for you... so what other option do you have? If selling on your own website is too tough, maybe you should consider Ebay or Amazon.
      Awesome!!!

      This is a great example of.... "Never give up"

      Thanks Randall!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
      Originally Posted by Randall Magwood View Post

      The best way to learn (even better from a course), is to "fail into success".
      right on, Randall!

      how many times did Walt Disney claim bankruptcy before he made it big?

      How many shots did Michael Jordon miss in his career?

      or how many goals did Wayne Gretsky miss?


      failure is just a lesson...learn from it and move on.

      OP, as others have posted here: don't try to make money from the "make money online" niche until you have mastered making money online.

      So many new marketers fall into that trap because they think that it's the most lucrative niche there is.

      It isn't.

      The fastest way to make money online is by offering a service. Most of the warriors in here started that way. Providing services. What service can you provide, Ray?

      Also, I wanted to point out something else: don't expect to get 24-7 support when you buy a $7 report in the WSO section. That is totally unrealistic. Also, don't expect that a coach or mentor is going to charge any less than $25 per hour. In fact, expect to pay a hell of a lot more than that, and a good coach or mentor is worth every penny.

      Can't afford a good coach? I understand. Like others have suggested: join a mastermind group.

      From this day forward, make a commitment to take full responsibility for your own actions. Because that is what REAL entrepreneurs do.
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  • Profile picture of the author rltenney
    This is a great post, one that I think is true to most everyone on here I would think. In their beginnings anyway.

    I can only speak from my own experiences of course, I've been working online since 2008 and I can relate to what your initial post was about. I bought course after course and thought it was easy to make money online based on the sales pages I read. However, once I obtained the course, the information was overwhelming. But after not making a dime for quite some time, I finally realized that it was my own beliefs that were the problem. I believed what the sales pages said and thought that making money online was as easy as putting up a site and linking it to a paypal account.

    In addition to that mindset, I also bounced from one method to another, whatever came across my screen.... THAT was the answer. Sometimes I switched gears multiple times in a single day. No wonder I wasn't getting anywhere. Think of it like trying to learn how to ride a bike. You get on the bike and attempt to learn to ride it for 1/2 an hour, then you get off and take the dog for a walk, then fix lunch. Then watch tv and surf the web reading all of the latest and greatest useless Hollywood info. Then you get back on the bike for ten minutes. Then fix dinner, do the dishes, do some laundry, watch more tv and read emails for 1/2 an hour. Then....... okay, you get the picture.

    At the end of the day, you look back and get frustrated because you still don't know how to ride a bike from all of the distractions.

    I ended up finding a system I was comfortable with that worked. And I started making money. But it wasn't easy. It took hours of work to make it work. Hey, it still beats shoveling ditches and performing back breaking work for a living. Right?

    I would find some good free WSOs in the war room and go from there. Find something that works and that others are claiming success with and stick with it. Don't get distracted. That's where I failed. I'm finally doing well online and could do much better. I'm working on that!

    Sorry if this is of no help, I am only explaining the frustrations I had early on and how I got stuck with thinking that I could 'buy' the one push button solution to success. The truth is.... it's not out there because it doesn't exist. Follow the advice from others who have posted here. They're giving you some great advice. Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbishop
    I don't know why people come here and expect to pay $7, $27, or even $97 then push a buton and BOOM they're makeing money. The people selling WSO's are doing it to make money, not make you rich!

    This place is the best FREE learning center for IM out there. There are tons of great post by people who really want to give back to the community. And on every good post there are people begging them to sell a WSO. What do you think is in the WSO? All the infor they already gave you in the post and some "SUPER SECERET" that turns out to be something that you could have lived without.

    So, don't come on here and complain about WSOs, start reading threads and following members that always share good info.

    If you need a place to start go here http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...2-24-11-a.html There are tons of threads on just about any tpoic you can think about.

    Pick a topic and follow your own advise, study it 5 days a week. Ask the teacher questions by replying to the thread, or start a new thread with the question you have. Stick it out study and test what you are learning and ask questions when you get stuck.

    Just use what is here many people have done that and are making good money. Stop looking for the get rich quick WSO or idea. Start learning and put it into pratice!!
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  • Profile picture of the author bhl2506
    First thing I would do is get away from the computer for a few hours. Go for a walk or run and clear your mind. Then come back for a fresh start.

    It's already been said in other posts to put your mmo site on the back burner until your are more experienced.

    Then pick one of your other niche sites and put the rest off to the side. Now remember content really is king in this game. Build your site based on quality not quantity (that will come with time.).

    Decide which traffic strategy you want to use and stick with it until you see some results to base an opinion on. Only then decide what to do after that.

    It also seems you picked up on the more mini sites, the more quick money you make. Looking at that from experience "FORGET IT" we lost money with this method. I'm not saying that it don't work, but just not for us. Newbies especially get caught up in the "GET RICH OVERNIGHT" schemes. My advice to you is "Forget" the fast money idea or you will be right back where you're at now.

    The most important thing to remember is that there is a lot of great free information here on the WF if you just do a search or ask to be pointed in the right direction. If you can't find it then ask detailed questions.

    Hope this helps alittle. Frustration will suck the common sense out of you. And remember failure can only get you down if you let it.
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    • Profile picture of the author sarahparks
      Originally Posted by bhl2506 View Post

      First thing I would do is get away from the computer for a few hours. Go for a walk or run and clear your mind. Then come back for a fresh start.

      It's already been said in other posts to put your mmo site on the back burner until your are more experienced.

      Then pick one of your other niche sites and put the rest off to the side. Now remember content really is king in this game. Build your site based on quality not quantity (that will come with time.).

      Decide which traffic strategy you want to use and stick with it until you see some results to base an opinion on. Only then decide what to do after that.

      It also seems you picked up on the more mini sites, the more quick money you make. Looking at that from experience "FORGET IT" we lost money with this method. I'm not saying that it don't work, but just not for us. Newbies especially get caught up in the "GET RICH OVERNIGHT" schemes. My advice to you is "Forget" the fast money idea or you will be right back where you're at now.

      The most important thing to remember is that there is a lot of great free information here on the WF if you just do a search or ask to be pointed in the right direction. If you can't find it then ask detailed questions.

      Hope this helps alittle. Frustration will suck the common sense out of you. And remember failure can only get you down if you let it.
      This is just the kind of help that sets the Warrior Forum apart from all the rest, in my opinion. That is really specific advice you're giving but not TOO specific and detailed so as to be overwhelming. It's wonderful to be able to post your frustrations in IM and have other IMers take the time to answer honestly and sincerely. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Invert Planet
    I feel for you... I really do.

    I think my 1TB hard drive is 1/2 filled with WSO's. The difference is that I don't consider them a waste. I archive them into specific categories and always go back to them at a later date (actually I love libraries and material so I tend to collect a lot).

    Previously mentioned was content and site appeal. I couldn't agree more. By nature I am a web designer. See my sig.. I'm not selling anything. Having a visually appealing website IMO is important. Navigation, ease of use and eye candy all are part of this. Then comes the copy or content. Once your site looks like you want it to look like you have to provide viable and compelling content. If you are trying sell something there is a course on sales copy. If you are providing information only.. there is a course on that.

    I found that 1 page sales copy / sites is/are my bane... I really need to improve on that.

    From a design stand point I can break it down in to the following:
    1) know your platform. Wordpress (blog type), VBulletin (forum type) HTML or what ever content management system you are willing to work with. Pick a platform and become proficient with it.
    2) Write compelling content. If you are not an expert in that particular area either avoid it, or get someone that is.

    I hate reams and reams of pages... especially in a sales page. What you see on your screen without scrolling is called "above the fold". If you must scroll down, that is called "below the fold". Your promise must be easy to read and understand and catch the user's attention "above the fold"

    I can't help on the content portion, backlinking (I got slapped for that one), or the keyword portion of the site; onsite SEO and off site SEO. These are all separate skills that need to be learned and it will take time in doing so.

    Similar to choosing a platform you need to choose a delivery system. You mentioned that one of your sites is doing a $1 per day... DUDE RUN WITH IT!! $365 a year pays the hosting and puts $$ in your pocket. Keep doing that and drop the bummers and you'll be large. Not tomorrow but eventually.

    Good luck and ask questions. Google is your friend, Youtube is your teacher and Warrior Forum is family.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
      Originally Posted by Invert Planet View Post

      Good luck and ask questions. Google is your friend, Youtube is your teacher and Warrior Forum is family.
      love this! I think we should sticky this sentence somewhere, mods, what do you think?
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      • Profile picture of the author philhunter
        There is no magic bullet to success it take hard work in IM probably more so than in a normal job, I still work 12 hour days a lot of the time but I love what I do.

        Once you find a method that works and has made you a small amount of money all you need to do is scale the method, it might be boring and tedious but you can outsource a lot once you are making money.

        IM is not for everyone it takes persistence like no other profession but the rewards are there to be hard for those that persevere.
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  • Profile picture of the author joyfulwraps
    This is not the first time comments like you are making has been aired on the forum. My take is that this forum has been a goldmine for making money and that includes the wso section. Like anything you purchase the saying "buyer beware" is true. It is the buyer's responsibility to access any offer before purchasing.

    1. Check out the seller's reputation on the forum to be sure they know what they are talking about (look at posts and threads started by the OP) and you can look at the number of times warriors have thanked the OP for which would be an indication of how helpful that person is to other warriors and indicate that his/her WSO would be of substance.

    2. Examine the wso for guarantees such as money-back if not satisfied or that the OP will assist you in fullfilling the promises of the wso. I have purchased many WSOs in which I have received quick and numerous helpful assists from the seller. PM the seller if you are unsure of customer support.

    3. READ not only the sales copy of the WSO but replies as well especially to determine if anyone who has already purchased has been successful with the wso.

    4. ASK questions before buying. Make sure that you and the wso will be a good fit.

    It is true that many warriors purchase WSOs and then let them gather dust on their hard drives choosing to blame the wso for not working instead of themselves for not taking action or for not following what is written in the WSO.

    I speak from experience as I have purchased many WSOs over the years and quite a few recently. I am a war room member, and yes being a member is a REAL value as many wso owners will post their WSOs there for free usually after they have had them on the WSO forum for some time. I chose to purchase many WSOs because I examine them and find them to be what my business needs to go to the next level. I have been very successful earning money online since 2006 mostly due to the advice and products found here on the WF.

    It is the man or woman in the mirror that you need to blame if you are not successful making money online once you have been on the forum long enough to glean useful information from the threads contained here and have purchased WSOs here. I agree that I have taken advantage of free WSOs as well and have found success with them too so nothing wrong with that route it is just that you have to look at WHAT YOUR BUSINESS NEEDS when deciding which WSO to use whether it is free, from the war room or on the WSO as a paid WSO.

    You must have a business plan FIRST before obtaining a WSO in order to know if it is what your business needs or if it is just a shiny new object you wish to possess.

    Just my 2 cents worth...take it or leave it.
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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    All right lets do the math on this one. Most of us understand ad sense. Let us say to keep the math simple that you need ten page views to get one penny. That means to get $10 per day you need 10,000 page views. OK so imagine that a long tail keyword will generate every day 100 views on average. That means to generate $10 per day you need a web site with 100 pages. How long does it take to create one. I would say one month on average. That means by the end of the year you should have over $100 per day coming in.

    Yet most people will wipe up a little web site - nine pages. Do no promotion, yes as in zero. Then they will claim internet marketing is a fraud and that we are scammers.
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    • Profile picture of the author Invert Planet
      Originally Posted by seobro View Post

      Yet most people will wipe up a little web site - nine pages. Do no promotion, yes as in zero. Then they will claim internet marketing is a fraud and that we are scammers.
      LOL!!! I did exactly that a while back. I bought a product whipped up a site and made $12.. in a year

      But true all that...

      To the OP ... learn, analyze and apply.
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  • Profile picture of the author Muslim X
    IHMO to the OP - You have identified a problem, and the solution.

    If you have not succeeded online yet - then here is a simple way you will make money, earn some respect from people in the IM business, and gain some great contacts at the same time.

    Here it is:

    Although you say you haven't succeeded online, yet; I am sure you have some skills particular to the online world that you are knowledgable of. Perhaps design? or creative writing? or sales copy writing? or video production?

    Whatever your strongest subject (provided WF members will benefit from it), create a WSO that IS super-detailed, that IS excellently presented, that DOES really explain all the details. Really strive to make the best product you can - and then - sell it as a WSO.

    I haven't been online for a little while, I took it upon myself to take a break from the internet and online world to focus on other priorities in my life. But, I have made a lot of money online and achieved some successes that guru's would be proud of, so believe me when I tell you: you will make a strong profit from a decent WSO product (anything from $300+ realistically).

    I hope my answer was helpful to you,
    Muslim X

    Edit: $300+ could even be $1,500 in 24 hours, depending on numerous factors, but my point still stands: high quality WSO's are profitable.
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  • Profile picture of the author damasgate
    man do these threads get OUT OF CONTROL lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Keith
    i looked over some of your other posts. here is my 2 cents from someone who has made money online for over a decade and a half.

    You are smart enough to do it, and contrary to what you and many other experts (gurus) say. you don't need a coach. Sure a very qualified coach is a nice thing to have, but if that was required to be succesfful a lot of internet millionaries would not exist.

    Like Kay said, you have an accountability problem. You are not willing or able to hold yourself accountable for your success or failure. You want to push that responsibility off onto other people. Some of it is justified (ie. buying wso scams), but much of it is not justified. many of the wso's have solid information that you should have been able to use to help you in your entrepreneurship journey.

    Here is what you need to do today to get on the right track. You have an issue with accountability in my opinion. You say you can't afford a coach. So here is what you do.

    1. make a detailed plan of how you plan to start making money and put it on paper. its a lot easier for you and us to see where your plan is lacking if its not theoretical but rather in black and white. Make it very detailed.

    2. ask for advice on your detailed plan on this forum.

    3. be respectful and appreciative of the advice you are given. start trying to learn for yourself how to pick out the good advice from the bad. There will always be bad advice to follow, so you must learn to develop your BS meter.

    4. get an accountability partner. this is not a coach. this is just someone to take 5 minutes a day and ask you what you got done today that moved you closer to your goal. This person is simple there to aid in you learning to "be your own boss". Right now, you don't have that skill. but you can learn it. With an accountability partner, you will make some mistakes that a full on coach could have helped you avoid. but a accountability partner will help you keep your focus a a lot.

    just because you can't afford a Ferrari (a full time coach) does not mean you should not go get yourself a KIA (cheap / free accountability partner) that will help you on your journey.
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  • Profile picture of the author sarahparks
    Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

    It's worth joining the War Room if only to get WSOs that are actually good where people would be exposed if they were not.
    I'm new to the Forum and I'm curious about the difference between the Warrior Forum and the War Room. Can someone explain this?
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  • Profile picture of the author blueorca17
    Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

    Stay away from WSOs. They are a minefield. The tools are great and do as they should but the hyped up techniques are 90% empty promises, I'm sorry to say.

    It's worth joining the War Room if only to get WSOs that are actually good where people would be exposed if they were not.

    It sounds like you have fallen for the hype and the back-scratching puke-worthy testimonials.

    WSOs might be able to help you later but quit buying them now. They won't help you.

    Now tell us about these Clickbank sites. How many pages are they? How much traffic are you getting. Are you calling the prospects to click your affiliate links? Are you selling the benefits of the products you are promoting? How many clicks are you getting?
    Sadly, this is 100% correct. A lot of WSO's (most) are rehashing information that other people have shared in DIFFERENT WSO's or they charge you for information that is freely available on the internet in various forms. You will waste a LOT of money and won't get results if you keep at it (buying information in the form of WSO's). Look for free information first. The best WSO's I've seen in here were Traffic Ultimatum and Deadbeat Super Affiliate. Not sure if you can get them here or not anymore though....

    Oh yeah, Profitzon is a great one too.....
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  • Profile picture of the author AndyBlackSEO
    I never bought or followed any guide. I started from the beginning and just got to grips with all the different elements that make up Internet marketing myself. Tested things out myself rather than 'buying' the latest WSO etc.

    Internet marketing really is a minefield. The penny either drops or it doesn't. It's best to be creative and a 'thinker' when it come to IM. Like any other trade or profession, you're either well suited to it or you're not.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Clay
      raywarrior1978,

      If you don't believe that following WSOs is going to help you, I would highly recommend learning computer programming. That way, even if you took on a regular job for a while, you'd be making much more than $11/hr. You could also create your own software and sell it online. The #1 capitalist in the world, Bill Gates made his billions by being able to program computers and then venturing into becoming a businessman.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by AndyBlackSEO View Post

      I never bought or followed any guide. I started from the beginning and just got to grips with all the different elements that make up Internet marketing myself. Tested things out myself rather than 'buying' the latest WSO etc.

      Internet marketing really is a minefield. The penny either drops or it doesn't. It's best to be creative and a 'thinker' when it come to IM. Like any other trade or profession, you're either well suited to it or you're not.
      You sound very much like me Andy. I couldn't even use Word or Excel when I began. I was a complete computer imbecile. That's why it took two years to earn anything of note. As I mentioned earlier though I was very determined to learn and I also had an obsession with testing. I did buy some courses but I didn't expect to get rich from them, I expected to learn how something was done.

      I also to some extent agree with the "you're either well suited to it or you're not" theory. There are over 400,000 people here, a large majority no doubt wanting to earn a full time income online. Unlike getting a job this is a business, just like any offline business, and we all know that if you took a broad and random sample of 400,000 people and told them to start a business, even with training, a huge amount wouldn't make it. This is just life.

      There are so many factors to becoming successful and taking responsibilty for your actions and accepting the path you tread was the path you chose, knowingly or not, is one of the most important.

      Besides, if you don't like a WSO and it doesn't do what it says on the tin, you can always refund and you can always leave your comments on the thread (in a sensible manner).
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  • Profile picture of the author Rhondaloo
    I know how you feel, $50,000 in credit card debt from buying everything thrown at me. Some programs and WSO's were pretty good and I learned different things from all of them but the best FREE help I've found is Mark Ling and Affilorama. It's FREE to join and the FREE course on affiliate marketing teaches you everything you need to know to make money online.

    There is nothing worse than working your butt off, than logging into your Clickbank account to see 000's! God knows I've done that. I wish you good luck and I've felt your frustration, but don't give up. Pick yourself up, brush yourself off and go kick some butt!

    Best Of Luck!!
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  • Profile picture of the author RichardDin
    But how can take action if all of this wso's don't explain things super detail and always leave you stuck somewhere on page whatever and you can't seem to get pass through it because it is too confusing and the help isn't there.
    Firstly, I bought many WSO and in every one I found clear instructions what to do.
    Secondly, most sellers give you additional help after purchasing.

    The only way they probably make money is by selling this wso's in here.
    Indeed, most people, who selling stuff here makes money out of this method only. Others are trying different things and sometimes making an WSO about their ventures, making additional money.

    Remember the way we all learn things. Yes we went to school 5 days a week and if we didn't understand something we can ask the teacher right there and there. I don't know about you, but to me that is the only way I can learn. Now I know I am not going to get anyone to come to my house and teach me face to face, but I would love a coach that I can talk to 5 days a week for an entire month a guide me through the whole process. But then again this gurus will take advantage of you and charge you like $20,000 thousand dollars. It takes me 1 year to make that in my job. Actually 10 years because I would have to save it because I have bills to pay.
    I never paid for personal consultation. I always think there enough information to get an idea and implement this. I never considered these WSO as a no-brainer plans, that are ready-to-follow and make you reach. I consider WSO only as ideas, that I can to go along with, testing and improvening. I think, there cann't be a single plan, matching for everyone. So I assume your problem is in approach. Be more creative, write down your ideas, combine them, and so on. There is not a step by step plan, that can be implemented by anyone. Because all people are different.
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    I found that people staying at that "readonly" level because of construction of our mind. There are two common ways how brain works:
    1) recieving the information
    2) creating information.

    So, if you are stucking in first mode, it is very hard to switch to the second one, while that information still run in. As analogue I can imagine - remember you watching tv last evening, and was not able to switch this zombo-box off to go to the bed and sleep.
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  • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
    and I do accept constructive criticism but...
    No, you don't. People who do, don't put right after that sentence the word "but"!

    BTW, telling you to stop buying freakin' WSOs and stop complaining about them because it's not worth the time - is a very positive thing, you should thank them!

    Oh, and to give you some perspective about your planned WP studies: that in itself will NOT make you a dime... unless you plan to offer WP-related services.
    I know more about WP than 99% of this forum but that knowledge in itself is useless when it comes about marketing. Online or offline. Even to offer, as an example, WP related services, I would still need to "market myself and my expertise". Just a warning, that learning WP will not make you any money per se - although it's useful.

    On the other hand, any online business person should have at least a minimal knowledge about HTML/CSS to be able to do small tweaks and modifications: if one works online, s/he should learn the tools used in this field.
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    • Profile picture of the author raywarrior1978
      Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

      No, you don't. People who do, don't put right after that sentence the word "but"!

      BTW, telling you to stop buying freakin' WSOs and stop complaining about them because it's not worth the time - is a very positive thing, you should thank them!

      Oh, and to give you some perspective about your planned WP studies: that in itself will NOT make you a dime... unless you plan to offer WP-related services.
      I know more about WP than 99% of this forum but that knowledge in itself is useless when it comes about marketing. Online or offline. Even to offer, as an example, WP related services, I would still need to "market myself and my expertise". Just a warning, that learning WP will not make you any money per se - although it's useful.

      On the other hand, any online business person should have at least a minimal knowledge about HTML/CSS to be able to do small tweaks and modifications: if one works online, s/he should learn the tools used in this field.
      Mr. Horvath with all do respect, I didn't say I was going to learn how to use wordpress to make money online. If you read the previous post, I am taking advice from some warrior members that have told me to learn how to use wordpress and stop outsourcing and wasting money.

      I simple said that I wanted to learn how to use wordpress because it is a start and I can learn how to built a site with it and then move on to learning other things like keyword researching and writing articles.

      You said learning wordpress will not make me money. You are wrong!
      Every experience marketer out there didn't know how to use wordpress when it first came out. They had to learn the basics and learn all of the control panel dashboard, etc... Again, I don't understand how people misinterpret things, you are the third person, omg what is going on in here.

      Read my post above, I never said I was going to learn how use wordpress to make money online.

      What I said was that I have a website about making money online and that I am going to use this one since I am not using it all just to mess around with it and learn how to use wordpress around it. One member told me to to use this website and learn how to use wordpress around it since I am not doing anything with the site.

      With all od respect, I think you misunderstood me and I am sorry if I wrote it incorrectly. My fault Mr. Horvath. That is difference between talking and typing, sometimes when you don't open your mouth and just think while you are typing things get mixed up and the words get confused. So I am sorry .

      Thanks Mr. Horvath. I respect your opinion.

      Someone recommended me "The Challenge" training videos, I am going to take a look at that
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  • Profile picture of the author michaelcorvin
    To be straight forward with you...those websites are never going to convert. Without getting detailed you need to dig and find landing pages that appeal to you and then follow their setup. Simple, simple, simple...

    Second, I am going to be frank with you...There is a movie that you need to watch. You can watch it Netflix for free. If you do not have Netflix you can sign up for a free 30 day trial, watch movie 20 times and cancel your account...

    The movie is...The Secret...and it is all about the law of attraction..

    Your comment..."Thank God I have a job that pays me $11 an hour" is going to keep you at an $11 an hour job. Stop focusing on what you don't want, what you don't have or that you THINK some "guru" is out there screwing you over. Most of them are not and most are legit. I know because some of the top names in the industry are my closest friends. And I know they all want to help others succeed (at least my personal friends).

    The reality is that you may have to try several things as a marketer to find what works for you. I make money in niches that most people have never heard of. The key is that if you focus on potential opportunities instead of "I'm not making money"...you will start seeing results.

    Stop blaming other people. The words "its not my fault" or "its his fault why I am not successful" has been written on the gravestone of MANY unsuccessful people. You have to choose..Do I complain? Or do I go out there and kick a$$. I suggest the kicking a$$ :-)

    Go Get 'Em

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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Ward
    I'm glad to see you're taking my advice (maybe it was someone else's, but I said the same thing) of learning how to use Wordpress. It's extremely user-friendly for the most part, unless you want to get into the in-depth stuff that requires hacking the internals, which most people never touch.

    With all due respect to Istvan Horvath, I personally think it's vital to know how to use Wordpress if you are going to update the sites yourself. There's no way you can outsource website creation if you're going to be clueless on how to update the site yourself afterwards (and not planning on hiring someone to make every single trivial change to the sites afterward), as raywarrior1978 found out with the "making money online" site. It's fine to outsource website creation, but if you can't make a simple change yourself when it's necessary, you're screwed. There's no reason why he shouldn't be able to change the side banner on that site himself; it's trivial, and anyone could do it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anna Dunham
    This thread was the first thread I read as a new member and I am already deeply impressed. Though the warrior forum, its structure and content seemes very chaotic this discussion gives more clues to a newbie than you - as (semi?)pro's - might imagine.
    I didn't perceive any comment as rude but helpful - in a vast variety of ways. I'm sure Raywarrior can draw a conclusion that suits his needs with his site.
    Oh, and sorry that this is rather a side-note comment..
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  • Profile picture of the author danifae
    Originally Posted by raywarrior1978 View Post

    Hi. I know there is probably many people in here who are struggling to make money online. Those of us are target for so many new wso's that come out everyday and have a catchy headline. We then proceed to buy them and we can't figure out how to follow them.
    Hi! I just sent you a pm, with a link at something you might like.
    I do feel like you. I followed many courses but always made a little money. I have sites which ranked first in the first page of google for yeasr but probably the offer was not good enough because I earned very little....

    I also think that when someone claims he is earning so much money, he shoudn't want to give away his secrets or, at least, he shoudn't bother losing his time creating a product which, compared to what he claim he's earning, can produce very little income!!!
    Hope for you (and me!!) all the best
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  • Profile picture of the author Tony Grant
    Hey RayWarrior,

    Interesting post and you are very much hitting a nail on the head there. I was chatting to someone recently who was launching a wso, they had paid good money to 3 mentors yet all of them were sort of not fulfilling for whatever reason.

    Now I don't want to go mentor bashing here as they clearly mean well and it is hard to be everything to all people but the power and strength as far as I am concerned is found within Skype groups. I am in one such group and it is phenomenal. Everyone helps each other and the chat is always good mannered and supportive. It is like having your very own office full of mates sharing the good info they are discovering.

    Ok, skype might not be for everyone as it does suit a certain type of person but for me, the power of these groups is beyond compare and is also mostly free. However, you do get back what you put in so don't just turn up and expect it all on a plate, life is a 2-way street after all.


    The one trouble is that you tend to have to be invited in to these groups so getting started and getting on the right ones is not easy. However, once you get in the loop, you should find yourself hopping around until you land on one that fits your needs and then bingo.

    Hope this works for you and good luck with your efforts.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by Young And Opulent View Post

    Blaming the high failure rate in IM on people "not taking action" is
    ...bull****.

    The high failure rate in IM is a myth. Most people fail at starting a business off the internet, too, usually because they don't understand that they are starting a business.

    When I used to bird-dog for real estate investors, I'd run into people at the local RE investment groups, and they'd happily say "we're going to start flipping houses."

    All right, cool. So what's your finance cap, LTV threshold, and desired margin?

    And they'd stare at me like deer in headlights.

    Because they didn't know how much money they could pay, how much higher the appraisal had to come in, and what they expected to pocket after the flip. They only knew you could flip houses and make lots of money.

    So when I proceeded to ask them what they were doing to add value before the flip, the concept was completely foreign to them. Do? Um... sell it. We buy it, then we sell it. That's how flipping works, isn't it?

    No. No, it's not.

    And yes, 97% of those people fail. Miserably. The other 3% stop being those people, and figure out that there's no push-button gravy train to richville.

    In general, the high cost of coaching is designed to keep the tyre-kickers out. If you are in this business, and you have $5k a month to spend on coaching, then chances are you not only see the value of coaching but will get the value of it as well.

    But if you just happen to have $5k on your credit card, and you think this looks like a good business, you're probably not going to get squat.
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  • Profile picture of the author RichardDean
    Originally Posted by raywarrior1978 View Post

    Hi. I know there is probably many people in here who are struggling to make money online. Those of us are target for so many new wso's that come out everyday and have a catchy headline. We then proceed to buy them and we can't figure out how to follow them.
    Because they don't want you to!
    Most are just made up theory !
    They lie to you use fake screen shots...so on!

    With that being said, many people point out that failure it because we don't take action. But how can take action if all of this wso's don't explain things super detail and always leave you stuck somewhere on page whatever and you can't seem to get pass through it because it is too confusing and the help isn't there. Learning by yourself is extremely hard. Maybe some people in here have study in groups with their g/f, b/f, friend, relative, etc... and had a better experience. After all two or 3 brains is better than one. But how about those who are struggling to make money online?
    They don't even know what they are doing in the first place the blind leading the blind.

    They slap some crap together then hope people don't ask for a refund.

    They offer a refund their not there to help, they are busy slapping some other crap together for their next WSO.

    They take no accountability for the crap they put out.

    We are just a prey to this people. I am beginning to think that all this people who are selling wso's don't make any money at all and have falsa claims. The only way they probably make money is by selling this wso's in here. Then if you want private coaching is some stupid ridiculous course with video training, live chat for 30 in one month. Did you get that? Let me say it again 30 minutes for the entire month. Then this course is like 500 dollars per month. Are you freaking serious!?
    Yes your just prey to them!

    They fake making money and play on your emotions with headlines that make you think your going to make money!

    "500.00" some try to step it up thinking you think if it is more than it is better. NOT!

    Remember the way we all learn things. Yes we went to school 5 days a week and if we didn't understand something we can ask the teacher right there and there. I don't know about you, but to me that is the only way I can learn. Now I know I am not going to get anyone to come to my house and teach me face to face, but I would love a coach that I can talk to 5 days a week for an entire month a guide me through the whole process. But then again this gurus will take advantage of you and charge you like $20,000 thousand dollars. It takes me 1 year to make that in my job. Actually 10 years because I would have to save it because I have bills to pay.
    We need to hold them accountable they should help you 100% and if they don't call them out on it.

    Stop buying crap that only has a money back guarantee make them help you or you don't buy.

    One reason they don't help you because they faked it and never did it for real.

    They can't help you because they don't know how to do it.

    I have not succeeded online, not because I have not taken any action, trust me I have, but is because I have no coaching, I have taken course that are out dated, and the new courses are not step by step. Almost all of this wso's have a catchy wso's title like newbie friendly, or my little cousin or son can do it, but the truth is that it is not newbie friendly and it is not a step by step plan. Yes of course your little brother or cousin can do it because you are right next to them telling him/her do this, now do that. Will you do the same for us? I don't think so.
    Well most of them have not had success either Have you heard:

    "fake it till you make it"

    Stop believing them!

    I don't know what is becoming of warrior forum. I feel like is becoming a place to take advantage of new people and sell them wso's that promise to make money if they take action, but the result is that is a dead end and the only person making money is the wso vendor.

    Well I have to get back to work. Thank God I have a job and make 11 an hour because I can't make any money online. My clickbank account is always at zero. I have 15 websites that I had built here in warrior forum and I can't even make 50 dollars with none of them. I can't believe I spend that much money having this sites built and no income yet. I spend so much money buying fiverr backlinks by rating to all of them and nothing yet. Maybe I should stop wasting my money in here and save my money and go to a school where they teach seo, wordpress design, backlinks, etc,, The problem is that then I woke up and realize that I was dreaming because this schools don't exist.
    You need to stop take a break clear your head for a little while.
    When you come back follow the out line below I will give you.

    One thing I have found very funny is that I spoke to a few people in here who claim they are making a whooooole bunch of money, yet every time I go to the internet marketing review section, they are always looking for a new shiny project to help them make money when they advise me to "Stay Away" from all of this false guru products, yet they are the one going for it and desperate to buy it and review. LOL

    Some people can't even trick themselves
    You guys don't get it they lie about it, as you see if they were making money they would not be out looking for the magic button.

    OK here goes with what works every time to make money.

    Find a niche
    Break it down into smaller niche
    find a problem in that niche
    Find a solution to the problem
    package and sell the solution

    Do this in any field try a none IM field also.

    Take a look at your sites and see if they follow these five steps if your missing any of the steps above your going to have a hard time making money.

    Once you have the five steps down then and only then you you start you SEO because if you missing stuff your SEO is wasted.

    Hope this helps

    Richard
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by RichardDean View Post

      find a problem in that niche
      Find a solution to the problem
      package and sell the solution
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      "The Golden Town is the Golden Town no longer. They have sold their pillars for brass and their temples for money, they have made coins out of their golden doors. It is become a dark town full of trouble, there is no ease in its streets, beauty has left it and the old songs are gone." - Lord Dunsany, The Messengers
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  • Profile picture of the author User-Name
    Jim, Bill, Jane I am about to launch a wso
    Please write a review hype it up so we can sell this thing big time.
    Then when you send it out to your list it looks legit.

    Hapens very often
    Sometimes there are good wso`s that dont do this (hard to find)
    I have bought 1400 wso I learn a little from each one so I am happy with what I have bought mostly.
    Have a look at the wso section same old reviewers over and over and over

    The sellers of the wso`s are going to attack this thread with their moral high ground.
    Why would anyone who is making 120 000 in a month sell you something for $8.

    No doubt I will see the answer following
    Maybe I like to give back to the community
    or it gives me another outlet to generate revenue
    Or the most likely I need you on my list
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by User-Name View Post

      You're all crooks

      Now you're going to say you're not crooks

      Which proves you're crooks
      Fixed that for you.
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      "The Golden Town is the Golden Town no longer. They have sold their pillars for brass and their temples for money, they have made coins out of their golden doors. It is become a dark town full of trouble, there is no ease in its streets, beauty has left it and the old songs are gone." - Lord Dunsany, The Messengers
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  • Profile picture of the author OliviaHoang
    Chris Farrell's membership site is really good for beginners. He is one person who goes through everything step by step through his video courses on the membership site.

    His system revolves around building a list though, so it'll take a couple of months for you to build up your list and start promoting to them.

    If you want something quicker, then just offer services to people and charge them for it.
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