What is going on with helping out people who can't make money online on warrior forum?

Yes, the gurus rarely give out the step by step hold your hand method. But, you can't expect to not do any research on your own and make money. Internet marketing is NOT EASY. Anyone who says it is got lucky in finding the right course at the right time or they are straight out lying. It takes a lot of time and a lot of research. However, if you do have a lot of money to invest, you can learn the information much faster.
Think of WSO as shortcuts to learning, not as the Answer to becoming a millionaire overnight. Pretty much all WSO's will have holes where you'll need your own brain to fill the gaps.

I would take advantage of the free WSO's. You can find some real gems that will help you out.

And just ask people for help when you're stuck.

I'm sure there are any number of people on this forum that would help you out, including myself...just ask.

Sorry your experience has not been great but if you take one method and stick with it, you will have a better chance at succeeding.

Val

How are you promoting your products? Are you writing the sales copy yourself? If so, that could be part of your problem. Your written English seems very rudimentary (I'm not trying to be rude here I'm just trying to offer helpful advice).

I think you're brave to come out and make these comments. I also think your comments represent a large percentage of people who get into this, so kudos for having the balls to say what you think.
On your websites, I think your 'make money' site is too competitive. Personally, and people will disagree, with your level of expertise I would put that site on ice and focus on the Eye project.
The problem with 'step by step' guides is they're written for the masses, so not everything applies to every situation. So people become confused not knowing which steps to follow and which to pass over. So you do need to weave in a bit of your own interpretation and research - use your own common sense, even with step-by-step guides.
If you wanted to be more specific on the areas you've been getting stuck there are people here who will help. But you need to tell us that you're still interested, still enthusiastic about it. It's hard to give up time on a person who says they've quit, or they're about to quit.

Anyhow, you are right that a keyword like eye exercises is too tough for someone like yourself... But I bet you could optimise and achieve rankings for some slightly less competative terms like:

how to improve eyesight
eye exercises to improve vision

quite easily with the proper backlinking strategy.

p.s. Does anyone else see the irony in someone complaining what a scam WSO's are while working on a site called make money fast while not knowing at all how to make money?

You've underlined the difference between the success and failure.

It's about overcoming obstacles. If you can't overcome these obstacles, you will fail.

I don't think any product can account for every single obstacle you will face. Everyone has a different skill level and ability and know-how.

Your obstacle could be something as simple as you don't know what Wordpress theme to use, for example. So you spend hours looking for a good theme and you finally find the right one, upload it and then let's say you have some kind of problem with the widget you are supposed to be using according to a WSO. So you can't figure it out and you give up. Boom, you failed. Because you didn't have the perseverance to overcome a simple obstacle.

Not many will say it but it's really that simple. You have to take responsibility for your own actions. Nothing will go as planned.

It's a true a lot of products leave out a lot of the details. Some could probably do better so as to help people overcome obstacles faster. But I think even a solid product cannot account for every personal challenge each buyer will face when going to implement. Some stuff you just have to figure out on your own and realize that you have a brain to figure stuff out and overcome obstacles.

In my opinion, it's one of the few main reasons for failure. In fact, someone could be so close to success but give up because they throw their hands up in the air and give up too easily, even if their last obstacle may be just a minor one.

Make a conscious decision not to be that person. We seem to look at IM like it's some magical way of creating success and it's somehow different from all the other things we do in life. I think this pie-in-the-sky approach to IM sets up a lot of people for failure right from the outset. Even people who may be very successful in other areas of their life.

So, realize this is like anything else. There will be challenges, everyone's ability and story will be different. Face it just like anything else in life, and you can do yourself a huge favor in the long run.

You're frustrated because you want it to be easier. Obviously it isn't easy, or everyone would who tries would find wild success.

If you're dead-set on using SEO and getting your sites ranked, you may want to take a look at this WSO:

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...0-reviews.html

Note: I have absolutely no affiliation to this WSO.

I know he had that guaranteed service open for a long time, but he closed it down and I think this is the first time this year he's opened the guaranteed page one ranking, so who knows if he'll close it down again soon.

Also, it may take a while to rank your keywords so you may have to have some patience. Also, there's no guarantee of what kind of money you'll make once you do rank on Page One. In reality, I don't think 8,100 is enough to make tons of money unless it's a buyers keyword and the buyers spend a lot of money. I wasn't clear on what the keyword was for that.

The most important thing any Newbie can do is to learn the fundamentals of internet marketing. This should be the first step, learning the basics.

Most Newbies want to make money immediately, with out knowing the basics.

Newbies never seem to consider the facts -- No expert/guru is making any money without utilizing the basic skills of internet marketing!!!!

Most Newbies seem to think they can skip the step of learning the fundamentals and go straight to making the money.

If you take the time to build your fundamental skill set, then you will be able to take advantage of many of the WSOs offered. In addition, if important information is left out, when you know the fundamentals, you will be able to fill in the blanks and successfully implement many programs.

If you don't learn the basics it is easy for you to be taken advantage of, and you will waste lots of money and more importantly lots of time.

Learn The Essential Basics!!!

Kay King posted a lot of what I was going to say when I started typing this, but I totally agree.

Sounds like you aren't actually doing any work but just throwing money at things and hoping something comes out of it. That is never going to get you anywhere. You need to have some knowledge of how to do things yourself before you can reliably pay someone to do it for you. Like your example of changing the banner on that website: you should be able to do that in about 15 seconds.

If you're going to make websites, step away from the WF entirely for a minute. Go to Google and start reading tutorials on Wordpress and how to change things on it, switch themes, etc. Figure out what a basic, good website would look like and how you could make it yourself. There are thousands of stay-at-home mom bloggers that have it figured out, so there's no reason you shouldn't be able to, too.

You are never going to get anywhere if you don't try to learn things yourself instead of throwing money at the wall and hoping something magically appears out of it. You say you bought a bunch of WSOs, but did you even read them?

I'm going to bet that the majority of people here that make money online didn't have someone holding their hand the entire time. If you want to succeed in IM you need to learn on your own. Things change all the time, especially in SEO (which you are targetting) and if you don't learn it and keep up with it yourself you are not going to get anywhere. At least if you're going to keep hiring the services of people who get paid less than $5 to do what they do to your site.

Need a PM of your email if you want the review copy. I still do not have enough posts to PM back. let me know.

Kay King, you make so much sense. Great advice my friend!

If you want to be good at something, you need to learn your craft.

The fact of the matter is that once you have set up a word press blog from scatch you can do it again and again. Everything becomes fairly easy once you do it a few times.

My advice?

Get out of the "money making niche". Why do you want to spend time promoting how to make money when you are not making any money yourself?

There seems to be a total disconnect here...

Yes..invest in the War Room and vow to yourself you will never buy another WSO until you have made some money on-line and you can afford it. Then you can buy all the WSO's you want with money you have made.

Find another niche other than the "how to make money".

Have passion, take action...

And find another niche!

Hi raywarrior1978,

I can understand your frustration. I am by no means an expert in IM, but one thing I decided to do when I started out 6 months ago was to see how far I could get without spending a dime. Someone pointed me in the direction of the Smart Passive Income website, where the owner (Pat Flynn) showed exactly how he set up and monetized a website. I used his blog to set up my current website and I did it word for word, but chose my own niche. I found that all the information is out there, you just have to spend ages researching. Pat's website is an excellent short cut and I hope you are able to use his blog to become a success yourself.

The first part of how he created his successful website is here: Niche Site Duel: I’ve Been Challenged…and I Accept | The Smart Passive Income Blog

Good luck.

Jodie

You do not NEED to buy anything.

Pick an aim. A specific target like: Make x per month with y method.

Only ever buy anything if it will directly contribute towards helping you reach this aim.

Good luck!

Regards
Will

With WSO's, stick with the authors that are trustworthy, that have, on the rare occasion a testimonial from someone actually making money, rather than just saying how great the course is.

I know what you mean. Many of the WSO's are just terrible. But now and again you get a gem that is worth hundreds more than you paid.

The fact is that a lot of products are making promises they rarely fulfill. They make money by selling you the dream. That's how they sweet talk you out of your money.

Over the years I've wasted a ton of money by courses that gave you information but were not step-by-step. Therefore I always make my products easy to follow step-by-step.

It's often a shame that some products out there do give good information but don't take you by the hand step-by-step. However, you still need to put the effort in. Sadly no such thing as press a button and out pops some money. I wish!

However, if you follow a step-by-step system that is real, not get rich quick no work, then you will make money.

Hey Ray,

I'm sorry you're having such a hard time. And, I agree that there are WSOs out there that don't deliver. I know that I've been disappointed in several, though for different reasons, and it has really made me a much harder sell for not just WSOs, but everything.

That said, I don't think the WSOs are the entire problem here. But I'll get to that in a second...

First, I want to be really honest with you here. And, I apologize if this sounds harsh, but... if you're making $11/hour, you need to NOT spend money on WSOs, having sites built for you, outsourcing, etc. Unless someone else is paying for your housing/food/etc, I don't see how you'd have the budget to take care of your day-to-day needs and put money towards all this extra stuff. Especially things like people building sites for you (which you can learn to do for free/cheap) - that's like paying someone to come wash your car, or come clean your house. It's something you do to save time when you have money to spare... not a "necessity".

When you talk about having 15 sites built for you (and not understanding how to modify them) - it sounds like you are treating Internet Marketing as some kind of magic money-making machine... you put in $100 for a site, and poof - out comes thousands of dollars.

And, as you've found out, it just doesn't work that way - no matter the ads say. If it were really truly just about having someone build you a cheapo website, it would be like a perpetual money machine. You put a hundred dollars, and get $1000 out. Then you put $1000 in for 10 new sites, and get $10,000 out. Put that back in and suddenly you've got $100k. We'd all be millionaires and there would be no need for forums like this where people gnash their teeth trying to figure out how things work.

(You said: )"Remember the way we all learn things. Yes we went to school 5 days a week and if we didn't understand something we can ask the teacher right there and there. I don't know about you, but to me that is the only way I can learn."

This is a problem. If the only way you can learn is truly in a class, with one-on-one instruction - that's a huge problem, because it's not how the rest of the world functions. (And one-on-one instruction is ALWAYS going to be MUCH more expensive. How can it not be, when you have to pay someone to stop working on their business and spend time focusing on just one person?)

When I run into something I don't know with internet marketing (like how to set something up), here's what I do:

- Google. This is how I learned what htaccess files, and how to send people that were hotlinking to my pictures to another picture that said "stop it!".

- Ask on the forums. Come here and post a question.

- Try things out. If I want to see how something works, I set up a dummy page on one of my sites (no links to it, so people can accidentally navigate to it while I'm working on it) and play with it.

- Read instructions from the real authorities - ie read the Terms and Conditions for Amazon associates, or look for a Google-written explanation of how Google analytics works (if it's a question about a product/service/etc.)

- If it's something in a WSO, try contacting the author. I tend to not do this, but if you've bought the WSO and something is unclear, you may try it.

Really, doing the research in Google - though it can be tedious and timeconsuming, is for me the best bet. It takes time. But, I feel like I can get a better handle on information (I can identify areas where an author might be giving me bad information, for example.)

So, again, I don't think your problem is the WSOs. I think it's two things:

1- Not taking a pro-active research mindset to finding answers. It sounds like you expect everything to be written out for you, and that's just not realistic (sorry). Sometimes you have to go out and find the answer, either through research or through experimentation.

2- Hiring everything out

I know there's a very pro-outsourcing attitude in IM. But, if you don't know how something works and you pay someone else to do it - I think you're asking for trouble. You're giving up control of your business, you have no way to know if they're doing a good job, and as you've seen, you can get yourself stuck in a situation where you have something like a website - but can't make any kind of changes to it (and websites are dynamic, they will always need some kind of updating.)

So again, I'm sorry if I sound harsh. I think you posted looking for empathy, and I'm afraid this is going to read like a slap in the face, though I certainly don't mean it to be.

But, remember, we were ALL there once. We all face this same struggle, and we will continue to do so every day as we go forward, because things are always changing. One day, you might be making a comfortable income from Amazon affiliates -then the next a new law in your state gets you kicked out of the program and you have to figure out what to do. Or you have a site making good money off advertising, and then suddenly Google changes it's algorithm and your site disappears and gets no traffic. We constantly have to learn, adjust, adapt, and keep trying things - even once you start making money - you can't EVER just sit back and expect people to give you the answers, because they can't - things change too fast for anyone to be able to do that.

And finally, if I might offer some advice...

1. Learn to build your sites yourself. Whether it's wordpress or straight up HTML or squidoo or whatever... so that you can stop paying people for this, and have control (and confidence) over your business.

Why not take one of the sites that you think is completely hopeless, and spend some time just playing with it and learning how it works and how to make changes to it? Find some free tutorials online, and either go through the steps and learn how to work with what's there, or wipe the site out completely (maybe backup first?) and re-install wordpress, and just really learn how it all works.

If you do this with a site that you have no expectations of profiting on, you can really just work on learning how it works, and not worry about if it's making money. This will be the foundation for all the other (hopefully money-making) sites you create in the future.

2. Take joy in the learning. I don't know what else to say about this - there's always going to be so much to learn and try and figure out, I don't see how you anyone can survive in an ever-changing business like this if you don't actually enjoy learning new things.

3. Are your 15 sites all using the same method to make money? Perhaps it might make sense to just start with one site... and really work it until it's making some money, and you understand how/why? Or at the most, 3 sites - just in case you have a couple of duds in there?

4. Extra thought: if all of your sites are selling clickbank products, consider moving to something else. I think clickbank can be a tough sell to customers, alot of the products seem scammy and overpriced, consumers don't know who "clickbank" is, and on top of all that - it's hard to start with them (with their requirements to make 5 sales with different credit cards before being paid, and the charge of $2.50 for them to pay you, even by direct deposit.) I'm not saying "oh you should use Amazon", but just to compare, I started with clickbank and really struggled, with Amazon, the initial sales came alot faster/easier for me, they don't require a minimum number of purchases, the minimum payout is only $10, and they direct deposit at no charge to you (so you get the money you earn, you're not nickled-and-dimed out of all of it.) I'm sure there are other reliable, good affiliate programs that are similar... just a thought.


One other thought, if your current method isn't making you money... maybe it's not the right method for you. My person belief is that different methods suit different personalities. I'm sure I'd be a failure at CPA for example, because I'm NOT a "real quick throw something up" agile type of person. I think detailed reviews are a great venue for me, however, because I tend to be... well, detailed and analytical. Maybe the method you're using isn't a good match for your personality?

OK - sorry this turned out much longer than I intended, and I had to stop in the middle to take a work call, so I'm not sure what else has been posted. I hope this helps, or at least gives you some things to think about.

Good luck to you!

If you want super detail, you aren't going to get it in a $7 WSO.

This is why there are a bunch of paid mastermind groups ranging from $50 to $500 a month.

Professional coaches usually make money by coaching, not by running the businesses they coach people to create. This is normal.


It's not about what you make in a month. It's about what your coach makes in a month. If you want someone to stop doing what he does for a month and teach you how to do it, you're going to have to pay him just about what he makes doing it. Probably more, or why should he bother?

You have no coaching because you have not gotten any coaching.

Getting coaching is an action. You have not taken it.

you said; "but I would love a coach that I can talk to 5 days a week for an entire month a guide me through the whole process."

You have hundreds of coaches 24/7 at your service here on the forum Ray. And they allready gave you great advise. A summary:
-be patient.
-Take your time learning one skill at a time.
- Search for free WSOs
- Search for free info on the net (youtube for instance).
- focus on what you have to offer first

I would like to add some questions: what is your goal? Making money is just a means to an end. What are your values. What do you want to offer other people. If you can turn that into information focus on that first. Forget about traffic generating technics (Seo, backlinking) or conversion generating technics (wordpress design, sales copy) when you have only affiliate links to share. If you really want to make it a both successful and fun, focus on what you like and, again, what value you can give to others.
suggestion for an info product? "How to get free coaching from hundreds of coaches" and show this thread

just my perception

I agree: he (Bill F.) is absolutely lacking immaturity

Hey Ray, I understand your problem and to be honest no one can do it all for you. The reason you read on the forums so much about taking action is because most people do not really take much action. They buy the latest and greatest WSO and expect to wake up rich and that is not going to happen.

If you have a specific problem then please post it and we would be glad to help.

I do have a program I created awhile back that was written just to help new people become profitable online. The url is: newbieprofitcoach.com and I would be happy to give you a copy for free.

If your interested shoot me a pm with your email address and I will send you a copy.

I don't think anybody is going to sell some great money making secrets cause if somebody is able to make a serious amount of money with a particular technique, he/she won't bother to sell it for several bucks instead of heavily using it to make tons of money.

And this is why I stay mostly in Off Topic. :rolleyes:

Blah blah blah, take action, mindset or some junk, yadda yadda, don't get distracted!

Just kidding. But seriously, thanks for this post. If you want to run some ideas past me on Skype some time I'd be happy to help you out.

Half the stuff people say on here is bullcrap. That's half the battle of WF is finding the REAL people who are here to help and not just writing crappy WSO's in their mom's basement...

Hope you figure it out.

Sometimes the truth hurts.. but people need to hear it. Things arent gonna change if people keep sugar-coating the facts.

I dont see anything "rude" posted by anyone in here. MAYBE Andy Button was being a bit rude.. I havent checked your site for myself, so I dont know - but it IS possible that your copy sucks. But again, I havent checked it so I'm not saying it does.. BUT if it does suck, then he isnt being rude. Hes giving his honest input, which you should welcome.

If MY stuff sucks, I want to know about it.

So the way I see it, everyone in here is giving you some solid advice.

But what you decide to with that advice is, well, up to YOU.

I'm just gonna end my post with that. No point in echoing what has already been posted by others.

The best way to learn (even better from a course), is to "fail into success". At this stage of your frustration, it'll probably be better to throw yourself into the woods and try to fend off the wolves. Sounds like you're tired of WSO's that dont work for you... so what other option do you have? If selling on your own website is too tough, maybe you should consider Ebay or Amazon.

This is a great post, one that I think is true to most everyone on here I would think. In their beginnings anyway.

I can only speak from my own experiences of course, I've been working online since 2008 and I can relate to what your initial post was about. I bought course after course and thought it was easy to make money online based on the sales pages I read. However, once I obtained the course, the information was overwhelming. But after not making a dime for quite some time, I finally realized that it was my own beliefs that were the problem. I believed what the sales pages said and thought that making money online was as easy as putting up a site and linking it to a paypal account.

In addition to that mindset, I also bounced from one method to another, whatever came across my screen.... THAT was the answer. Sometimes I switched gears multiple times in a single day. No wonder I wasn't getting anywhere. Think of it like trying to learn how to ride a bike. You get on the bike and attempt to learn to ride it for 1/2 an hour, then you get off and take the dog for a walk, then fix lunch. Then watch tv and surf the web reading all of the latest and greatest useless Hollywood info. Then you get back on the bike for ten minutes. Then fix dinner, do the dishes, do some laundry, watch more tv and read emails for 1/2 an hour. Then....... okay, you get the picture.

At the end of the day, you look back and get frustrated because you still don't know how to ride a bike from all of the distractions.

I ended up finding a system I was comfortable with that worked. And I started making money. But it wasn't easy. It took hours of work to make it work. Hey, it still beats shoveling ditches and performing back breaking work for a living. Right?

I would find some good free WSOs in the war room and go from there. Find something that works and that others are claiming success with and stick with it. Don't get distracted. That's where I failed. I'm finally doing well online and could do much better. I'm working on that!

Sorry if this is of no help, I am only explaining the frustrations I had early on and how I got stuck with thinking that I could 'buy' the one push button solution to success. The truth is.... it's not out there because it doesn't exist. Follow the advice from others who have posted here. They're giving you some great advice. Good luck.

I don't know why people come here and expect to pay $7, $27, or even $97 then push a buton and BOOM they're makeing money. The people selling WSO's are doing it to make money, not make you rich!

This place is the best FREE learning center for IM out there. There are tons of great post by people who really want to give back to the community. And on every good post there are people begging them to sell a WSO. What do you think is in the WSO? All the infor they already gave you in the post and some "SUPER SECERET" that turns out to be something that you could have lived without.

So, don't come on here and complain about WSOs, start reading threads and following members that always share good info.

If you need a place to start go here http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...2-24-11-a.html There are tons of threads on just about any tpoic you can think about.

Pick a topic and follow your own advise, study it 5 days a week. Ask the teacher questions by replying to the thread, or start a new thread with the question you have. Stick it out study and test what you are learning and ask questions when you get stuck.

Just use what is here many people have done that and are making good money. Stop looking for the get rich quick WSO or idea. Start learning and put it into pratice!!

First thing I would do is get away from the computer for a few hours. Go for a walk or run and clear your mind. Then come back for a fresh start.

It's already been said in other posts to put your mmo site on the back burner until your are more experienced.

Then pick one of your other niche sites and put the rest off to the side. Now remember content really is king in this game. Build your site based on quality not quantity (that will come with time.).

Decide which traffic strategy you want to use and stick with it until you see some results to base an opinion on. Only then decide what to do after that.

It also seems you picked up on the more mini sites, the more quick money you make. Looking at that from experience "FORGET IT" we lost money with this method. I'm not saying that it don't work, but just not for us. Newbies especially get caught up in the "GET RICH OVERNIGHT" schemes. My advice to you is "Forget" the fast money idea or you will be right back where you're at now.

The most important thing to remember is that there is a lot of great free information here on the WF if you just do a search or ask to be pointed in the right direction. If you can't find it then ask detailed questions.

Hope this helps alittle. Frustration will suck the common sense out of you. And remember failure can only get you down if you let it.

I feel for you... I really do.

I think my 1TB hard drive is 1/2 filled with WSO's. The difference is that I don't consider them a waste. I archive them into specific categories and always go back to them at a later date (actually I love libraries and material so I tend to collect a lot).

Previously mentioned was content and site appeal. I couldn't agree more. By nature I am a web designer. See my sig.. I'm not selling anything. Having a visually appealing website IMO is important. Navigation, ease of use and eye candy all are part of this. Then comes the copy or content. Once your site looks like you want it to look like you have to provide viable and compelling content. If you are trying sell something there is a course on sales copy. If you are providing information only.. there is a course on that.

I found that 1 page sales copy / sites is/are my bane... I really need to improve on that.

From a design stand point I can break it down in to the following:
1) know your platform. Wordpress (blog type), VBulletin (forum type) HTML or what ever content management system you are willing to work with. Pick a platform and become proficient with it.
2) Write compelling content. If you are not an expert in that particular area either avoid it, or get someone that is.

I hate reams and reams of pages... especially in a sales page. What you see on your screen without scrolling is called "above the fold". If you must scroll down, that is called "below the fold". Your promise must be easy to read and understand and catch the user's attention "above the fold"

I can't help on the content portion, backlinking (I got slapped for that one), or the keyword portion of the site; onsite SEO and off site SEO. These are all separate skills that need to be learned and it will take time in doing so.

Similar to choosing a platform you need to choose a delivery system. You mentioned that one of your sites is doing a $1 per day... DUDE RUN WITH IT!! $365 a year pays the hosting and puts $$ in your pocket. Keep doing that and drop the bummers and you'll be large. Not tomorrow but eventually.

Good luck and ask questions. Google is your friend, Youtube is your teacher and Warrior Forum is family.

This is not the first time comments like you are making has been aired on the forum. My take is that this forum has been a goldmine for making money and that includes the wso section. Like anything you purchase the saying "buyer beware" is true. It is the buyer's responsibility to access any offer before purchasing.

1. Check out the seller's reputation on the forum to be sure they know what they are talking about (look at posts and threads started by the OP) and you can look at the number of times warriors have thanked the OP for which would be an indication of how helpful that person is to other warriors and indicate that his/her WSO would be of substance.

2. Examine the wso for guarantees such as money-back if not satisfied or that the OP will assist you in fullfilling the promises of the wso. I have purchased many WSOs in which I have received quick and numerous helpful assists from the seller. PM the seller if you are unsure of customer support.

3. READ not only the sales copy of the WSO but replies as well especially to determine if anyone who has already purchased has been successful with the wso.

4. ASK questions before buying. Make sure that you and the wso will be a good fit.

It is true that many warriors purchase WSOs and then let them gather dust on their hard drives choosing to blame the wso for not working instead of themselves for not taking action or for not following what is written in the WSO.

I speak from experience as I have purchased many WSOs over the years and quite a few recently. I am a war room member, and yes being a member is a REAL value as many wso owners will post their WSOs there for free usually after they have had them on the WSO forum for some time. I chose to purchase many WSOs because I examine them and find them to be what my business needs to go to the next level. I have been very successful earning money online since 2006 mostly due to the advice and products found here on the WF.

It is the man or woman in the mirror that you need to blame if you are not successful making money online once you have been on the forum long enough to glean useful information from the threads contained here and have purchased WSOs here. I agree that I have taken advantage of free WSOs as well and have found success with them too so nothing wrong with that route it is just that you have to look at WHAT YOUR BUSINESS NEEDS when deciding which WSO to use whether it is free, from the war room or on the WSO as a paid WSO.

You must have a business plan FIRST before obtaining a WSO in order to know if it is what your business needs or if it is just a shiny new object you wish to possess.

Just my 2 cents worth...take it or leave it.

All right lets do the math on this one. Most of us understand ad sense. Let us say to keep the math simple that you need ten page views to get one penny. That means to get $10 per day you need 10,000 page views. OK so imagine that a long tail keyword will generate every day 100 views on average. That means to generate $10 per day you need a web site with 100 pages. How long does it take to create one. I would say one month on average. That means by the end of the year you should have over $100 per day coming in.

Yet most people will wipe up a little web site - nine pages. Do no promotion, yes as in zero. Then they will claim internet marketing is a fraud and that we are scammers.

IHMO to the OP - You have identified a problem, and the solution.

If you have not succeeded online yet - then here is a simple way you will make money, earn some respect from people in the IM business, and gain some great contacts at the same time.

Here it is:

Although you say you haven't succeeded online, yet; I am sure you have some skills particular to the online world that you are knowledgable of. Perhaps design? or creative writing? or sales copy writing? or video production?

Whatever your strongest subject (provided WF members will benefit from it), create a WSO that IS super-detailed, that IS excellently presented, that DOES really explain all the details. Really strive to make the best product you can - and then - sell it as a WSO.

I haven't been online for a little while, I took it upon myself to take a break from the internet and online world to focus on other priorities in my life. But, I have made a lot of money online and achieved some successes that guru's would be proud of, so believe me when I tell you: you will make a strong profit from a decent WSO product (anything from $300+ realistically).

I hope my answer was helpful to you,
Muslim X

Edit: $300+ could even be $1,500 in 24 hours, depending on numerous factors, but my point still stands: high quality WSO's are profitable.

man do these threads get OUT OF CONTROL lol.

i looked over some of your other posts. here is my 2 cents from someone who has made money online for over a decade and a half.

You are smart enough to do it, and contrary to what you and many other experts (gurus) say. you don't need a coach. Sure a very qualified coach is a nice thing to have, but if that was required to be succesfful a lot of internet millionaries would not exist.

Like Kay said, you have an accountability problem. You are not willing or able to hold yourself accountable for your success or failure. You want to push that responsibility off onto other people. Some of it is justified (ie. buying wso scams), but much of it is not justified. many of the wso's have solid information that you should have been able to use to help you in your entrepreneurship journey.

Here is what you need to do today to get on the right track. You have an issue with accountability in my opinion. You say you can't afford a coach. So here is what you do.

1. make a detailed plan of how you plan to start making money and put it on paper. its a lot easier for you and us to see where your plan is lacking if its not theoretical but rather in black and white. Make it very detailed.

2. ask for advice on your detailed plan on this forum.

3. be respectful and appreciative of the advice you are given. start trying to learn for yourself how to pick out the good advice from the bad. There will always be bad advice to follow, so you must learn to develop your BS meter.

4. get an accountability partner. this is not a coach. this is just someone to take 5 minutes a day and ask you what you got done today that moved you closer to your goal. This person is simple there to aid in you learning to "be your own boss". Right now, you don't have that skill. but you can learn it. With an accountability partner, you will make some mistakes that a full on coach could have helped you avoid. but a accountability partner will help you keep your focus a a lot.

just because you can't afford a Ferrari (a full time coach) does not mean you should not go get yourself a KIA (cheap / free accountability partner) that will help you on your journey.

I'm new to the Forum and I'm curious about the difference between the Warrior Forum and the War Room. Can someone explain this?

Sadly, this is 100% correct. A lot of WSO's (most) are rehashing information that other people have shared in DIFFERENT WSO's or they charge you for information that is freely available on the internet in various forms. You will waste a LOT of money and won't get results if you keep at it (buying information in the form of WSO's). Look for free information first. The best WSO's I've seen in here were Traffic Ultimatum and Deadbeat Super Affiliate. Not sure if you can get them here or not anymore though....

Oh yeah, Profitzon is a great one too.....

I never bought or followed any guide. I started from the beginning and just got to grips with all the different elements that make up Internet marketing myself. Tested things out myself rather than 'buying' the latest WSO etc.

Internet marketing really is a minefield. The penny either drops or it doesn't. It's best to be creative and a 'thinker' when it come to IM. Like any other trade or profession, you're either well suited to it or you're not.

I know how you feel, $50,000 in credit card debt from buying everything thrown at me. Some programs and WSO's were pretty good and I learned different things from all of them but the best FREE help I've found is Mark Ling and Affilorama. It's FREE to join and the FREE course on affiliate marketing teaches you everything you need to know to make money online.

There is nothing worse than working your butt off, than logging into your Clickbank account to see 000's! God knows I've done that. I wish you good luck and I've felt your frustration, but don't give up. Pick yourself up, brush yourself off and go kick some butt!

Best Of Luck!!

Firstly, I bought many WSO and in every one I found clear instructions what to do.
Secondly, most sellers give you additional help after purchasing.

Indeed, most people, who selling stuff here makes money out of this method only. Others are trying different things and sometimes making an WSO about their ventures, making additional money.

I never paid for personal consultation. I always think there enough information to get an idea and implement this. I never considered these WSO as a no-brainer plans, that are ready-to-follow and make you reach. I consider WSO only as ideas, that I can to go along with, testing and improvening. I think, there cann't be a single plan, matching for everyone. So I assume your problem is in approach. Be more creative, write down your ideas, combine them, and so on. There is not a step by step plan, that can be implemented by anyone. Because all people are different.
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I found that people staying at that "readonly" level because of construction of our mind. There are two common ways how brain works:
1) recieving the information
2) creating information.

So, if you are stucking in first mode, it is very hard to switch to the second one, while that information still run in. As analogue I can imagine - remember you watching tv last evening, and was not able to switch this zombo-box off to go to the bed and sleep.

No, you don't. People who do, don't put right after that sentence the word "but"!

BTW, telling you to stop buying freakin' WSOs and stop complaining about them because it's not worth the time - is a very positive thing, you should thank them!

Oh, and to give you some perspective about your planned WP studies: that in itself will NOT make you a dime... unless you plan to offer WP-related services.
I know more about WP than 99% of this forum but that knowledge in itself is useless when it comes about marketing. Online or offline. Even to offer, as an example, WP related services, I would still need to "market myself and my expertise". Just a warning, that learning WP will not make you any money per se - although it's useful.

On the other hand, any online business person should have at least a minimal knowledge about HTML/CSS to be able to do small tweaks and modifications: if one works online, s/he should learn the tools used in this field.

To be straight forward with you...those websites are never going to convert. Without getting detailed you need to dig and find landing pages that appeal to you and then follow their setup. Simple, simple, simple...

Second, I am going to be frank with you...There is a movie that you need to watch. You can watch it Netflix for free. If you do not have Netflix you can sign up for a free 30 day trial, watch movie 20 times and cancel your account...

The movie is...The Secret...and it is all about the law of attraction..

Your comment..."Thank God I have a job that pays me $11 an hour" is going to keep you at an $11 an hour job. Stop focusing on what you don't want, what you don't have or that you THINK some "guru" is out there screwing you over. Most of them are not and most are legit. I know because some of the top names in the industry are my closest friends. And I know they all want to help others succeed (at least my personal friends).

The reality is that you may have to try several things as a marketer to find what works for you. I make money in niches that most people have never heard of. The key is that if you focus on potential opportunities instead of "I'm not making money"...you will start seeing results.

Stop blaming other people. The words "its not my fault" or "its his fault why I am not successful" has been written on the gravestone of MANY unsuccessful people. You have to choose..Do I complain? Or do I go out there and kick a$$. I suggest the kicking a$$ :-)

Go Get 'Em

Michael Corvin

I'm glad to see you're taking my advice (maybe it was someone else's, but I said the same thing) of learning how to use Wordpress. It's extremely user-friendly for the most part, unless you want to get into the in-depth stuff that requires hacking the internals, which most people never touch.

With all due respect to Istvan Horvath, I personally think it's vital to know how to use Wordpress if you are going to update the sites yourself. There's no way you can outsource website creation if you're going to be clueless on how to update the site yourself afterwards (and not planning on hiring someone to make every single trivial change to the sites afterward), as raywarrior1978 found out with the "making money online" site. It's fine to outsource website creation, but if you can't make a simple change yourself when it's necessary, you're screwed. There's no reason why he shouldn't be able to change the side banner on that site himself; it's trivial, and anyone could do it.

This thread was the first thread I read as a new member and I am already deeply impressed. Though the warrior forum, its structure and content seemes very chaotic this discussion gives more clues to a newbie than you - as (semi?)pro's - might imagine.
I didn't perceive any comment as rude but helpful - in a vast variety of ways. I'm sure Raywarrior can draw a conclusion that suits his needs with his site.
Oh, and sorry that this is rather a side-note comment..

Hi! I just sent you a pm, with a link at something you might like.
I do feel like you. I followed many courses but always made a little money. I have sites which ranked first in the first page of google for yeasr but probably the offer was not good enough because I earned very little....

I also think that when someone claims he is earning so much money, he shoudn't want to give away his secrets or, at least, he shoudn't bother losing his time creating a product which, compared to what he claim he's earning, can produce very little income!!!
Hope for you (and me!!) all the best

Hey RayWarrior,

Interesting post and you are very much hitting a nail on the head there. I was chatting to someone recently who was launching a wso, they had paid good money to 3 mentors yet all of them were sort of not fulfilling for whatever reason.

Now I don't want to go mentor bashing here as they clearly mean well and it is hard to be everything to all people but the power and strength as far as I am concerned is found within Skype groups. I am in one such group and it is phenomenal. Everyone helps each other and the chat is always good mannered and supportive. It is like having your very own office full of mates sharing the good info they are discovering.

Ok, skype might not be for everyone as it does suit a certain type of person but for me, the power of these groups is beyond compare and is also mostly free. However, you do get back what you put in so don't just turn up and expect it all on a plate, life is a 2-way street after all.


The one trouble is that you tend to have to be invited in to these groups so getting started and getting on the right ones is not easy. However, once you get in the loop, you should find yourself hopping around until you land on one that fits your needs and then bingo.

Hope this works for you and good luck with your efforts.

...bull****.

The high failure rate in IM is a myth. Most people fail at starting a business off the internet, too, usually because they don't understand that they are starting a business.

When I used to bird-dog for real estate investors, I'd run into people at the local RE investment groups, and they'd happily say "we're going to start flipping houses."

All right, cool. So what's your finance cap, LTV threshold, and desired margin?

And they'd stare at me like deer in headlights.

Because they didn't know how much money they could pay, how much higher the appraisal had to come in, and what they expected to pocket after the flip. They only knew you could flip houses and make lots of money.

So when I proceeded to ask them what they were doing to add value before the flip, the concept was completely foreign to them. Do? Um... sell it. We buy it, then we sell it. That's how flipping works, isn't it?

No. No, it's not.

And yes, 97% of those people fail. Miserably. The other 3% stop being those people, and figure out that there's no push-button gravy train to richville.

In general, the high cost of coaching is designed to keep the tyre-kickers out. If you are in this business, and you have $5k a month to spend on coaching, then chances are you not only see the value of coaching but will get the value of it as well.

But if you just happen to have $5k on your credit card, and you think this looks like a good business, you're probably not going to get squat.

Because they don't want you to!
Most are just made up theory !
They lie to you use fake screen shots...so on!

They don't even know what they are doing in the first place the blind leading the blind.

They slap some crap together then hope people don't ask for a refund.

They offer a refund their not there to help, they are busy slapping some other crap together for their next WSO.

They take no accountability for the crap they put out.

Yes your just prey to them!

They fake making money and play on your emotions with headlines that make you think your going to make money!

"500.00" some try to step it up thinking you think if it is more than it is better. NOT!

We need to hold them accountable they should help you 100% and if they don't call them out on it.

Stop buying crap that only has a money back guarantee make them help you or you don't buy.

One reason they don't help you because they faked it and never did it for real.

They can't help you because they don't know how to do it.

Well most of them have not had success either Have you heard:

"fake it till you make it"

Stop believing them!

You need to stop take a break clear your head for a little while.
When you come back follow the out line below I will give you.

You guys don't get it they lie about it, as you see if they were making money they would not be out looking for the magic button.

OK here goes with what works every time to make money.

Find a niche
Break it down into smaller niche
find a problem in that niche
Find a solution to the problem
package and sell the solution

Do this in any field try a none IM field also.

Take a look at your sites and see if they follow these five steps if your missing any of the steps above your going to have a hard time making money.

Once you have the five steps down then and only then you you start you SEO because if you missing stuff your SEO is wasted.

Hope this helps

Richard

Jim, Bill, Jane I am about to launch a wso
Please write a review hype it up so we can sell this thing big time.
Then when you send it out to your list it looks legit.

Hapens very often
Sometimes there are good wso`s that dont do this (hard to find)
I have bought 1400 wso I learn a little from each one so I am happy with what I have bought mostly.
Have a look at the wso section same old reviewers over and over and over

The sellers of the wso`s are going to attack this thread with their moral high ground.
Why would anyone who is making 120 000 in a month sell you something for $8.

No doubt I will see the answer following
Maybe I like to give back to the community
or it gives me another outlet to generate revenue
Or the most likely I need you on my list

Chris Farrell's membership site is really good for beginners. He is one person who goes through everything step by step through his video courses on the membership site.

His system revolves around building a list though, so it'll take a couple of months for you to build up your list and start promoting to them.

If you want something quicker, then just offer services to people and charge them for it.