Do Banner Advertisements Work?

by Vtoy Banned
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What do you guys think?

Is it worth the investment to pour money into banner ads?
#advertisements #banner #work
  • Profile picture of the author Ross Cohen
    Where at? On another site in your niche? Sure. Forum in your niche? Sure. On here (Warriorforum)? Sure. On a completely random site? Probably not. Test it out - see what your return (ROI) is. Then, rinse and repeat if the ROI is positive.
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    • Profile picture of the author bt
      I haven't had much luck with them myself, but I know other people that have. I think It has a lot to do with where you place the banner ads, what websites.
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      • Profile picture of the author Vtoy
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        Let's say the niche was internet marketing, or make money online.

        There are a ton of banners out there in this niche, do you think these convert? Of course they would be in related websites.

        Anyone have success with them?
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  • Profile picture of the author HarrieB
    Try project wonderful for banner ads. You pay pennies and Ur website gets a really big exposure as well as a big 1200*700 banner!
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert X
    Just make sure you have continuity. Have the banner relative to the site you place it on, and have a landing page that is relavent to the niche. Don't be placing ads for something completely different. That will guarantee failure

    And we as marketers hate failure,,,,,, right marketers?
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    • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
      Originally Posted by Robert X View Post

      Just make sure you have continuity. Have the banner relative to the site you place it on, and have a landing page that is relavent to the niche. Don't be placing ads for something completely different. That will guarantee failure

      And we as marketers hate failure,,,,,, right marketers?
      What do you mean by continuity? Re-billing ?

      Op yes they work well when placed on relevant sites to what your offering like mentioned before!
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      • Profile picture of the author Robert X
        Originally Posted by Kal Sallam View Post

        What do you mean by continuity? Re-billing ?

        Op yes they work well when placed on relevant sites to what your offering like mentioned before!
        By "continuity" I mean to have everything flow together smoothly.
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  • Profile picture of the author options
    Not for me, i have just spent $110 on 3 different banner advertisments through buysellads,

    Lots of impressions but hardly any visitors no sales = waste of money.

    And yes they were all relevant to my niche.
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    • Profile picture of the author bt
      Hey options, did you use a squeeze page or sales page.
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      • Profile picture of the author johnnydepp
        Yes, but not always in the way you think they might. While the number of people who actually click on the banner ad runs around 31% a further 27% reported that they did an online search for the product, brand or company, and 21% typed the company Web address in their browser. Nine percent sought additional information using social media tools. So clicks are not the only measurement in online marketing.
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        • Profile picture of the author Vtoy
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          BuySellAds has over saturated banners on every site.. Do I have to ask website owners one by one for banner advertisement placements? Where do I find people that want to sell banner space for the internet marketing or make money online niche?
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          • Profile picture of the author options
            Originally Posted by Vtoy View Post

            BuySellAds has over saturated banners on every site.. Do I have to ask website owners one by one for banner advertisement placements? Where do I find people that want to sell banner space for the internet marketing or make money online niche?
            Yes i think youre right, just to many banners on each page. my impresions are over 40,000 per day but something like a 0.003% click through rate... what a waste of money..
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        • Profile picture of the author markowe
          Originally Posted by johnnydepp View Post

          Yes, but not always in the way you think they might. While the number of people who actually click on the banner ad runs around 31% a further 27% reported that they did an online search for the product, brand or company, and 21% typed the company Web address in their browser. Nine percent sought additional information using social media tools. So clicks are not the only measurement in online marketing.
          Yeah, this - it's about brand exposure too. Which is not much use if you are promoting someone else's products as an affiliate.

          As a side note I find affiliate ads on my own sites in the form of banners perform atrociously, even when they are very relevant...
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          • Profile picture of the author Ankesh Kothari
            Its like asking if buying ads on Google Adwords or Facebook works.
            It works for some people. Not for others. A lot of factors come into play.

            1. Your banner has to win attention. Use pictures of people. Use subtle animation. Use heuristics like a mouse button or a coupon border. Use shiny colors.

            2. Your banner has to be placed in a position where people pay attention. If its placed in the footer, its useless. If its placed in the sidebar with 7 other banners, you should know that your click through rate will dramatically reduce - even if your banner looks better than others. Placement matter a lot. Banners in between content work the best.

            But bad placement is also fine if they cost very low. The point is: don't pay for ads based on the number of impressions a page receives. Pay on placement.

            3. You need to track how well your banners perform and from which websites. Use Google Analytics - campaign / source / medium feature if you don't have a better tracking app.
            Tool: URL Builder - Analytics Help

            4. If you are promoting on the same website, your conversion rates will reduce as more time goes by. So think of changing banner images when you see a reduction in conversion rates. If that too doesn't work, then drop the site.

            5. Use banner ad networks for discovery. But try and contact the website owner and ask if you can buy ads privately too. Many of them - not all - but many will agree to it and give you a reduced rate.

            6. Reduce your ad risk by starting an affiliate program. Contact website owners and ask them to put up your banner ads with their affiliate links. And if they don't see a positive rate of return, you will pay the difference in their ad rate for the first month and quit.

            Eg: banners on a website go for $40 a month. Ask them to put up your banners for no upfront cost. Using their affiliate link. At the end of the month, if they've only made $25 via the affiliate program, you pay them $15 more and quit.

            With this model, you can test a lot more websites and reduce your risk a bit. The downside is obvious, you will be paying more to websites where they earn more in affiliate commission than what their ad rate is. But I think its a good trade off because now, instead of buying ads on just 10 websites, you'll be able to put up banners on 30-40 websites.

            7. Middle of the month, go through your statistics. And if a website is not doing well, contact the owner and ask him if he can do something to help turn the numbers around. Many a times, they will give you a link from the bottom of a new link. Or maybe even mention you in their newsletter. Or extend your banner ad for 15 more days. Never hurts to ask.
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      • Profile picture of the author options
        Originally Posted by bt View Post

        Hey options, did you use a squeeze page or sales page.
        Hi, i used a sales page, it has only been running for a few days but you can tell its just not going to work.
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  • Profile picture of the author ephame
    I think he means be consistent with how the banner looks/wording and the site you link it to and it will be more successful.
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  • Profile picture of the author Flores
    Also, remember to adjust your strategy based on whether it is PPC or PPM. Both require things to be done a little differently. Adjust your banner strategy to take advantage of both of these different types of banner advertising.
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  • Profile picture of the author wiljep
    Hey Vtoy

    The fact is when you pour money into anything then you know that it would yield more money and that is why we pour in lucre in anything which we think and know that it would produce more of it.

    what you need to know is where to place your banner ads, that is in which sites will your banner ads give you more productivity.

    so make a wise decision while choosing extra rich niche sites related to your product or service and then invest money for banner ads in those sites only, it would surely help you.

    Let me know if it helps you and how fast

    Thanks
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    Originally Posted by Vtoy View Post

    What do you guys think?

    Is it worth the investment to pour money into banner ads?
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  • Profile picture of the author MCGeorges
    Banner advertising is very similar to using Google Adwords or any other contextual ad network (the only difference is that you're using image ads instead of text ads)

    It's highly effective and some of the top sites use it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Vtoy
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      Originally Posted by MCGeorges View Post

      Banner advertising is very similar to using Google Adwords or any other contextual ad network (the only difference is that you're using image ads instead of text ads)

      It's highly effective and some of the top sites use it.
      Adwords keeps banning me so now I hate Google and I'm looking for alternatives, I was advised to stay away from BuySellAds because they have like 20 banners per website, so that's no good.

      I wanna hear more thoughts, experiences or opinions, great responses so far. Bookmarked!
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  • Profile picture of the author skagenweb
    Look, Ive used BuySellAds and I can telll you it is a huge waste of money. Some of the sites want $300 per month for tiny little 100x100 boxes on their site. What a rip off. Avoid.
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    • Profile picture of the author Vtoy
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      Originally Posted by skagenweb View Post

      Look, Ive used BuySellAds and I can telll you it is a huge waste of money. Some of the sites want $300 per month for tiny little 100x100 boxes on their site. What a rip off. Avoid.
      I agree. The question is.. where can we go for a better solution?
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  • Profile picture of the author Cataclysm1987
    Originally Posted by Vtoy View Post

    What do you guys think?

    Is it worth the investment to pour money into banner ads?
    No. Sitting in a desk job until you want to put a gun in your mouth does.

    Can't you ask a better question than this?
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    • Profile picture of the author Vtoy
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      Originally Posted by Cataclysm1987 View Post

      No. Sitting in a desk job until you want to put a gun in your mouth does.

      Can't you ask a better question than this?
      Looks like someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed..
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      • Profile picture of the author Cataclysm1987
        Originally Posted by Vtoy View Post

        Looks like someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed..
        Indeed. I am sick today.

        I just don't think we find any useful information in vagueness.

        We should be asking different questions like, "Would this idea for a banner ad work?" or "How can I test this banner ad?" or "What sort of banner would you use to promote x service?"

        Obviously SOME of them work or else they wouldn't be ALL OVER THE INTERNET!
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        • Profile picture of the author Vtoy
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          Originally Posted by Cataclysm1987 View Post

          Indeed. I am sick today.

          I just don't think we find any useful information in vagueness.

          We should be asking different questions like, "Would this idea for a banner ad work?" or "How can I test this banner ad?" or "What sort of banner would you use to promote x service?"

          Obviously SOME of them work or else they wouldn't be ALL OVER THE INTERNET!
          So they are working for you? That's what I want to know, for people to share their experience with
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          • Profile picture of the author Cataclysm1987
            Originally Posted by Vtoy View Post

            So they are working for you? That's what I want to know, for people to share their experience with
            In that case, no, banners have never really worked for me very much. But I have never tested it enough to really say for sure whether or not it is a viable option.
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          • Obviously SOME of them work or else they wouldn't be ALL OVER THE INTERNET!

            Actually, no. That's a fallacy.

            Many large companies buy banners for brand exposure. Their ROI is atrocious but they don't care; they're not going for conversions. They're going for repetition, repetition and more repetition.

            But here's the biggest reason why it's a fallacy: There isn't perfect information flow. If you were able to survey a majority of the entrepreneurs and marketers who bought banner ads in 2011, you'd have the answer you seek.

            But you can't. Best you can do is ask in a group like this, and the answers you get are self-selecting. Example: I have experience buying placements on BuySellAds but I'm not telling what that experience is. Another person may have plunged $10,000 in banner ads and be too ashamed to admit he had a net loss.

            Sorry you're not feeling well.

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            • Profile picture of the author Raydal
              They must be working at least on the Warrior Forum because
              I've been trying some time now to give them my money for
              a top banner ad and it seems the waiting line is very long.

              And the ads that are presently running have been doing so
              for a long time now. At $100 per day they must be making
              money to keep running those banners.

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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    The ads that show up on the top of the Warrior Forum pages are essentially banner ads. And alot of people use them. Just make your banner ad does NOT look like an ad. You could probably advertise on Google's content network, and specify the sites that you want to advertise on. Just make sure that you advertise on sites that are closely related to what you are selling.
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    • Profile picture of the author espresso
      I started a banner campaign yesterday
      Paying for banner placement on 3 sites for a fixed week charged (not rebilled)
      So far zero clicks Although I think that might be because of the banners I am using ones my affiliate gave me
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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce NewMedia
    There are a tons of variables that combine to make banner ads effective.

    One factor I've found is making the ad very much resemble the surrounding text material. Often, ads that don't look like 'ads', produce better. Sites like NewsMax, for instance, have lots of banner ads, and some of the best performing are also the simplest looking. Also, targeting very close to your audience makes a huge difference.
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  • Profile picture of the author Garish Wasil
    Banner ads only converts if they are attractive and eye catching. I was earlier getting poor ctr for my banner ads but after improving my banners (spent money on that) , the ctr was drastically improved. And yes, the sites where I advertised were in my niche and also popular.
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  • Profile picture of the author Taigh
    Where would you suggest one start looking for these gems?
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  • Profile picture of the author seolearner09
    has anyone tried "project wonderful" as an alternative to buysellads?

    I find buysellads tends to cover certain niches more (iphone, games etc) with not much variety. Also, either the ad placement offered are not right for me (don't want footor/sidebar ads) or too many ads on the page.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anurmedia
    If you promote them on right websites then yes they work.
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  • Profile picture of the author gasman
    I think there are a lot of factors you have to look at here. Do they work? Of coarse they do. However, some things you need to keep in mind are what niche you are advertising, where the banner ad will be placed on a site, and how much the cost per click or impressions. If you don't have the banner ad in a well placed spot on a website that is related to your niche, you can't expect to get enough rio to make it worthwhile.
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  • Profile picture of the author ofthewastelands
    Generally CTR is very low so needs to be on a very targeted site to pay for itself
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    The ad will work if the copy is good.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Warriors
    Well, the effectiveness of a banner ad will largely depend on the same three factors that determine the effectiveness of a pay per click ad:

    1. Ad Copy

    How well written the ad is, will determine how many people click on it.

    2. Positioning

    For PPC ads, positioning means which keywords you advertise on. For banner ads, it means which sites you avertise on, and what physical space on the site your ad occupies. Still, the same principle is at work here.

    3. Cost

    Obviously, cost vs. revenue generated is the ultimate test of an ad's effectiveness.

    I once heard Ed Dale say that he only uses PPC ads because he "can't test what a banner ad is doing for him," but in my opinion that is taking a very narrow minded view of things. You can't rigidly quantify how many clicks you're getting from a banner ad, but you can evaluate how much your sales have gone up since you placed it, and with some analytics software, you can easily determine how much traffic you're getting out of it. That and with Google PPC costs going through the roof and Facebook PPC STR still being horrible on average, it's worth looking into alternate forms of advertising.
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  • Profile picture of the author seotothecore
    Best way to find out is to run them on google adwords display network and get yourself a wide spectrum of sites to test the method out on, then hone in on the sites that are bringing conversions and make deals with those sites directly...
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  • Profile picture of the author mprati
    When the site targets your niche they work well. You can register for a free account at buzzmedianetwork.com and get 1000 free impressions. Free is no risk and you may get a customer from it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Horacioplus
    This is the only type of paid advertising that actually works for me. This month i made 57 sales in the money making niche. It depends on your niche, capture page and offer.
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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    From my experience, banners only work if they are FORMATTED AS TEXT
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  • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
    Oh they work and work very well.

    Like some have already said, it has to be relevant to the content of the site you're running them on.

    And it's not as hard as you would think.

    Like any other form of paid traffic, be prepared and ok with the fact that you just might lose some money in the beginning as you learn what works and what doesnt.

    I'm having great success with banners.

    I've had ROI as high as 1850%
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    • Profile picture of the author GlenH
      Absolutely they work....IF you can place them on website in the same or a related niche.

      I've also moved away from the traditional 'graphic' banner designs and moved to a 'text' designed banner ad. along the lines the formats you see here (160+ motley fool ads - Moat Ad Search )

      I certain niches I have doubled my click through rates using these styles of banner ads.

      These 'text' banners really stand out on a page amongst all those other graphic banner ads.
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      • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
        Originally Posted by GlenH View Post

        Absolutely they work....IF you can place them on website in the same or a related niche.

        I've also moved away from the traditional 'graphic' banner designs and moved to a 'text' designed banner ad. along the lines the formats you see here (160+ motley fool ads - Moat Ad Search )

        I certain niches I have doubled my click through rates using these styles of banner ads.

        These 'text' banners really stand out on a page amongst all those other graphic banner ads.
        Glen, when you're ready, I highly recommend you use an ad serving platform like AdShuffle so you can optimize your placement by rotating multiple creatives at the same time.

        I just started using it a month ago and it's certainly a game changer and profit maximizer if used properly.
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        • Profile picture of the author GlenH
          Originally Posted by jasondinner View Post

          Glen, when you're ready, I highly recommend you use an ad serving platform like AdShuffle so you can optimize your placement by rotating multiple creatives at the same time.

          I just started using it a month ago and it's certainly a game changer and profit maximizer if used properly.
          Cheers Jason, thanks for the heads up on that service. I'll definitely investigate it.
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          • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
            Originally Posted by GlenH View Post

            Cheers Jason, thanks for the heads up on that service. I'll definitely investigate it.
            Yeah Sitescout does it too, but at a higher CPM and higher minimum to play with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    No, banner ads do not work. Don't let the constant presence of banner ads on the internet fool you. The people who buy them just throw their money away and have no idea what they are doing.
    That was classic!! lol
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  • Profile picture of the author prateek9118
    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    No, banner ads do not work. Don't let the constant presence of banner ads on the internet fool you. The people who buy them just throw their money away and have no idea what they are doing.

    LOL! this made my day.

    Vtoy,
    I suggest do your research first, then ask questions. You can get a lot of info on WF IF you ask good questions.
    Personally, They have worked for me. My life changed after I understood how traffic works.
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