This guy made $359 Million doing CPA offers, Free works!

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Life Inc. - Con artist took in $359 million with bogus 'free-trial' offers

A Canadian con artist who made hundreds of millions of dollars selling worthless products on the Internet will need to look for a new line of work.

Jesse Willms of Alberta, Canada agreed today to settle a variety of false and deceptive marketing charges brought by the Federal Trade Commission.

The FTC alleges Willms and his business partners used "Free Trial Offers" to get people's credit or debit card numbers in order to bill them for products and services they did not want and did not agree to purchase.


Willms sold dozens of products via the "free trial offer" come-on, including:
  • AcaiBurn weight loss products
  • PureCleanse colon cleaners
  • DazzelWhite and DazzleSmile teeth whiteners
He also marketed work-at-home-schemes, freecreditreports, access to government grants, online consumer research services and penny auction sites (SwipeBids.com and SwipeAuctions.com).

In its complaint, the government says these "illegal practices" raked in more than $359 million dollars since 2007 from nearly four million consumers in the U.S., Canada, United Kingdom, Australia and New Zealand.

In settling with the FTC, Willms and his 11 companies are permanently barred from using negative-option marketing, a practice where the seller considers the lack of a response from the customer as permission to charge them.

They are also prohibited from debiting people's bankaccounts without getting their express authorization, making misleading or unsubstantiated health claims and using false or deceptive endorsements or testimonials.



In settling with the FTC, Jesse Willms and his 11 companies are permanently barred from using negative-option marketing, a practice where the seller considers the lack of a response from the customer as permission to charge them.

A judgment of $359 million will be suspended if Willms surrenders the money in his bank accounts, along with the proceeds from the sale of his house, personal property (including a Cadillac Escalade, fur coat and artwork) and corporate assets.

The pitch for everything was basically the same: the product or service was available for "free" or on a "risk-free" trial basis as long as you paid a small fee for shipping and handling.

"Get Your Risk-Free Bottle Today," the bold print would say. "We'll let you try it, before you buy it!" Buried in the fine print in the terms and conditions was the fact that you were going to be charged almost immediately.

"If you didn't return the free sample within a very short period of time, normally 14 days from the date of purchase, you were not only charged each month going forward, but you were charged for the sample you got that was supposed to be free," explains Robert Schroeder, director of the FTC's Seattle regional office which handled this case.

Ruth Witteried of Vancouver, Wash., is one Willms' many victims. She saw an online ad for a "free trial" of a weight loss product called PureCleansePro.

Because the ad was on a reputable website, she figured it must be legit.

So she agreed to subscribe to a newsletter and pay for the shipping.
When her next creditcard bill came, Witteried found charges for more than $166, including $59.95 for the PureCleansePro, membership to an **** berry support site and a web access fee. There were more unauthorized charges on her next statement.

"There wasn't anything free about it," she says. The ad promised a money-back guarantee. But when Witteried called customer service, she couldn't get the charges reversed.

"They were not nice. They were not helpful," she remembers. "They said they were not allowed to give refunds."

Other dishonest sales tactics
The FTC complaint says Willms and his companies made "false and unsubstantiated" product claims and used "false celebrity endorsements."
Ads for the company's weight loss products promised rapid and substantial weight loss. Colon cleaning supplements were touted as a way to help prevent colon cancer.

In its complaint, the FTC says these claims were "false, misleading, or were not substantiated."

For some health-related products, Willms put bogus endorsements by Oprah Winfrey and Rachel Ray on his website. But neither of these celebrities endorsed any of his products. In fact, Oprah sued Willms for unauthorized use of her name and likeness.

The bottom line
I warned before about "free trial" or "risk free" offers. They're designed to make you think you're getting something for nothing. But if you're required to hand over your credit or debit card number, for whatever reason, you could be in for a nasty surprise.

The Willms organization isn't the only company that's used this marketing trick to scam people. He was the largest fish caught by the feds so far, but there are others still out there.

Before you take the bait, ask yourself - is it really worth the potential hassle to get a little sample of an unknown product from a company you've never dealt with before? I think you know the answer.
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    • Profile picture of the author rambo9600
      Originally Posted by JasonB View Post

      At the end of the day.....

      THEY WILL CATCH YOU!

      I guess the guys who claim they are making millions doing CPA offers are true. This guy was averaging $71,800,000.00 per Year or $1,380,000.00 per WEEK.
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      • Originally Posted by rambo9600 View Post

        I guess the guys who claim they are making millions doing CPA offers are true. This guy was averaging $71,800,000.00 per Year or $1,380,000.00 per WEEK.
        Well that's an INTERESTING WAY OF LOOKING AT THIS!
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        • Profile picture of the author vickybabe
          Only a matter of time until they get caught
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      • Profile picture of the author vufxteam
        Originally Posted by rambo9600 View Post

        I guess the guys who claim they are making millions doing CPA offers are true. This guy was averaging $71,800,000.00 per Year or $1,380,000.00 per WEEK.
        wow! that is really some out of this world statistic.

        $2.30 per second. that means he earns a grand after an 8-hr night's sleep
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  • Profile picture of the author MarkUSA
    hmmmm... what if the sample was really free and then they began charging for products if the customer didn't cancel? Would this be legal?
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave90210
    His practices are no more deceptive than any big business in the United States. Look at the banking and housing industry in the US with all the hidden fees and especially the cellphone contracts.

    I'm dealing with a cellphone company that sold me a phone that doesn't work and they won't give me a working phone or service, but they continue to charge my card $135 for no service!!!

    So this guy had things buried in his TOS, so does every other business on the web. This guy must have been a genius marketer and now he has to return his fortune because his business was somewhat deceptive?

    It's not like the guy didn't send them the products at all. He sent it out and the bottles weren't returned so he charged there card, big deal! That happens every single day in the big business industry in America.

    I suggest this guy get's a damn good lawyer with his money and fight it out in court.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

      So this guy had things buried in his TOS, so does every other business on the web. This guy must have been a genius marketer and now he has to return his fortune because his business was somewhat deceptive?

      It's not like the guy didn't send them the products at all. He sent it out and the bottles weren't returned so he charged there card, big deal! That happens every single day in the big business industry in America.

      I suggest this guy get's a damn good lawyer with his money and fight it out in court.
      Actually, every business on the web does not do this. Every dishonest business on the web does this. What he did was illegal and I doubt that he'll be able to afford a good lawyer, since all the money he stole from unsuspecting customers has been taken from him. :p
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      • Profile picture of the author ryanmilligan
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        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        Actually, every business on the web does not do this. Every dishonest business on the web does this. What he did was illegal and I doubt that he'll be able to afford a good lawyer, since all the money he stole from unsuspecting customers has been taken from him. :p

        I was thinking about that earlier, even if he could somehow get a good lawyer. I don't think any lawyer on this planet could get anyone out of the mess he is in.
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by ryanmilligan View Post

          I was thinking about that earlier, even if he could somehow get a good lawyer. I don't think any lawyer on this planet could get anyone out of the mess he is in.
          Well, it looks like he's already made a deal with Canada to avoid jail by giving all of the money from all of his accounts, selling his house, artwork, expensive cars, furs, etc and giving the money to the government who will attempt to compensate some of his victims.
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          • Profile picture of the author cardine
            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            Well, it looks like he's already made a deal with Canada to avoid jail by giving all of the money from all of his accounts, selling his house, artwork, expensive cars, furs, etc and giving the money to the government who will attempt to compensate some of his victims.
            Hopefully the gov't will also give back all the money they collected from him in taxes... because y'know they made a lot of money off this scheme too
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            • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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              Originally Posted by cardine View Post

              Hopefully the gov't will also give back all the money they collected from him in taxes... because y'know they made a lot of money off this scheme too
              The government didn't commit a crime by collecting taxes. So the government should be giving the dirtbag tax money back? Yeah, right.

              Politics aren't allowed on this forum and it never fails that someone tries to turn a Internet marketer is a scamming thief thread into a government is evil thread. :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author 1byte
      Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post


      So this guy had things buried in his TOS, so does every other business on the web.
      Every other business on the web? REALLY???
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    • Profile picture of the author mightiest
      Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

      His practices are no more deceptive than any big business in the United States. Look at the banking and housing industry in the US with all the hidden fees and especially the cellphone contracts.

      I'm dealing with a cellphone company that sold me a phone that doesn't work and they won't give me a working phone or service, but they continue to charge my card $135 for no service!!!
      Are you talking to them on the phone? Yes? Then they're already doing more than Jesse's companies were doing for customers.

      They'd hit them with about $400 dollars worth of rebill + upsell about 3 days after receiving the product. You couldn't cancel online, so you had to call their 800 number. They would leave you on hold for upwards of 2 hours.

      So this guy had things buried in his TOS, so does every other business on the web. This guy must have been a genius marketer and now he has to return his fortune because his business was somewhat deceptive?
      Somewhat deceptive? He was offering a negative option rebill that was not only going to charge customers $80 for the product they ordered, but then add on at least $200 - $300 in services they never asked for. That's illegal.

      Also, his TOS wasn't present on most sites AND most of the affiliates that promoted his products (who he worked very closely with) made no mention of any terms or conditions. That is what got him in trouble.

      It's not like the guy didn't send them the products at all. He sent it out and the bottles weren't returned so he charged there card, big deal! That happens every single day in the big business industry in America.

      I suggest this guy get's a damn good lawyer with his money and fight it out in court.
      There's a difference between giving people a trial offer and ripping them off. Jesse would start your "10 day trial" or "14 day trial" the minute your CC was charged. Then they would take 3+ days to process your order and 3-5 days for it to arrive at your house, often leaving customers with only 24 - 48 hours to cancel.

      There's no way he's winning this fight. He's probably going to jail.

      If you want to see negative option rebilling done legally, look to Force Factor. They've been in business for 3 years and haven't been jammed up by the FTC because they make it very clear what you're getting into and they make it very easy to cancel.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ben Gordon
      Actually the guy isn't going to return all the funds he made. There's suspending it under some terms. Watch, this is just a minor setback for him, and although I don't agree with his marketing efforts, he's going to get back on his feet and start doing business (but a little differently) in other niches.

      Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

      His practices are no more deceptive than any big business in the United States. Look at the banking and housing industry in the US with all the hidden fees and especially the cellphone contracts.

      I'm dealing with a cellphone company that sold me a phone that doesn't work and they won't give me a working phone or service, but they continue to charge my card $135 for no service!!!

      So this guy had things buried in his TOS, so does every other business on the web. This guy must have been a genius marketer and now he has to return his fortune because his business was somewhat deceptive?

      It's not like the guy didn't send them the products at all. He sent it out and the bottles weren't returned so he charged there card, big deal! That happens every single day in the big business industry in America.

      I suggest this guy get's a damn good lawyer with his money and fight it out in court.
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  • Profile picture of the author tabasc07
    I'm glad he got caught. I never understood why people would do things like that. Just put the same amount of effort from your scams into a legitimate business model and you'll reap the rewards without any consequences!
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  • Profile picture of the author webmazter
    some people never ever learn i tell you by the time I made 100 million dollars i would have had it sit in an offshore bank and live off the interest under a pen name
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      • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
        Originally Posted by rambo9600 View Post

        That's why all scammers eventually get caught. They feel invincible because the scam has worked for so long. This guy did it for over 5 years, making over 1 Million per week and no authorities stepped in.
        And if he wasn't greedy, he could have easily done this for just ten weeks, banked ten to eleven million and moved on. However, he kept pushing the envelope, trying to make even more money.

        Had he showed up and disappeared a few months later, its very likely he would have never been caught.

        That said, its still a sham-business. Not implying that we all need to go out and start something like this up--just pointing out that he raised his chances of getting caught by being greedy.
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        • Profile picture of the author rambo9600
          Originally Posted by BloggingPro View Post

          And if he wasn't greedy, he could have easily done this for just ten weeks, banked ten to eleven million and moved on. However, he kept pushing the envelope, trying to make even more money.

          Had he showed up and disappeared a few months later, its very likely he would have never been caught.

          That said, its still a sham-business. Not implying that we all need to go out and start something like this up--just pointing out that he raised his chances of getting caught by being greedy.
          Those were my thoughts at first. I saw a documentary on CNBC about Wall St scammers like Bernie Madoff. These people are convinced they are invincible. That's why they have all their assets frozen. They don't even try to hide assets. Homes, cars, planes, bank accounts, etc.... are easily liened or confiscated.

          They have gotten away with it for so long they start to believe the scam themselves. :rolleyes:
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          • Profile picture of the author StunningWarrior
            Try living in Germany. Deutsche Bahn (the train operator) sells cards which give you discounts of 25% or 50% on normal fares. DBahn also sells a six week "trial" card. What is hidden in the smallprint is that the trial card is automatically rolled into an annual card unless you cancel 4 weeks before the end of the trial. So in actual fact it is a 2 week trial - because you need to make your decision at this point. And this forced continuity is completely legal and ubiquitous throughout Germany. Consumers hate it, especially foreigners who never expect it, but the government shows no interest in changing it. So on that basis this guy could move to Germany and repeat his activities perfectly legally so long as he didn't accept orders from US-based customers.
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          • Profile picture of the author buckeyes09
            Originally Posted by rambo9600 View Post

            Those were my thoughts at first. I saw a documentary on CNBC about Wall St scammers like Bernie Madoff. These people are convinced they are invincible. That's why they have all their assets frozen. They don't even try to hide assets. Homes, cars, planes, bank accounts, etc.... are easily liened or confiscated.

            They have gotten away with it for so long they start to believe the scam themselves. :rolleyes:
            I was going to post that even they have to imagine that it's only a matter of time. Then I wondered how many people are out there that never get caught.
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            • Profile picture of the author pacelattin
              They don't. Some small time guys get away, some just get fines -- consider it the cost of business. Consumers are educated, know where to complain. THe more people you scam, the more chance you'll be caught.

              Originally Posted by buckeyes09 View Post

              I was going to post that even they have to imagine that it's only a matter of time. Then I wondered how many people are out there that never get caught.
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  • Profile picture of the author davemiz
    interesting read....

    seems like its not the negative option that was the issue... it was the bogus claims... and the big one, the EXTRA charges you never signed up for... and the "free bottle" that they billed you for PLUS a $166 charge. (probably a 2-3 bottle supply or something).

    along with not giving refunds. (which we all know is stupid)

    I think it gives anyone who uses negative option/free trials a really bad name... even though they do things by the book.
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    • Profile picture of the author intowonder
      So that leaves all the other 1 Billion companies out there to soak up people's credit cards with the negative options on everything else!

      Jeez, he could have made a fortune and kept it if only he were an IMer!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author chris1093
    Tis a shame. That guy could have made those millions being an ethical marketer and enjoyed them too. Just goes to show the wealth in your bank account is only limited by your determination and immigration(and a few other things:p)
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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce NewMedia
    These kind of dishonest marketers ruin the image of marketers everywhere, unfortunately. ...and they help make certain niche markets and certain methods of sale, 'radioactive'. So, when they get done, credit card processors and PPC providers, media buying firms, etc want nothing to do with these niches....sort of scorched earth.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarkUSA
    Could someone please explain something to me:
    Authorities aside, how did he manage to keep his merchant account? With this number of complaints and chargebacks, the merchant account provider would soon suspend his account. In the U.S. or Canada, there's just no way to accept credit cards without good customer service and a solid refund policy. Negative option/free trials is perfectly legal, but you have to give refunds to those who ask for it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Valter B
      Originally Posted by MarkUSA View Post

      Could someone please explain something to me:
      Authorities aside, how did he manage to keep his merchant account? With this number of complaints and chargebacks, the merchant account provider would soon suspend his account. In the U.S. or Canada, there's just no way to accept credit cards without good customer service and a solid refund policy. Negative option/free trials is perfectly legal, but you have to give refunds to those who ask for it.
      Read here: What's he selling now? | CanadianBusiness.com
      "While he was fighting a public-relations war on one front, the FTC alleges Willms was also struggling to keep his payment processors and credit card companies in the dark. His merchant accounts experienced double-digit chargeback rates, when credit card companies issue refunds to consumers who dispute transactions. Visa and MasterCard flag merchants with rates as low as 0.5%. To evade detection initially, the company used multiple billing descriptors for its wares. The **** products, for example, were listed as AcaiBurn, AcaiEdge Max, and Detox AcaiBurn, among others."

      ...

      "He still had to deal with Visa and MasterCard, however. Both knew of him, and he could become blacklisted with banks and payment processors. So Willms paid others to establish companies abroad. "These individuals are listed as the owners," says Robert Schroeder, head of the FTC's Seattle office, "but part of our evidence are contracts signed with Willms that basically give him full power to make decisions and the right to all the monies." When one such owner named Adam Sechrist started to get hostile questions from a payment processor, he was told by Hernan Ortegon-Rico, Willms's vice-president of operations, to let a man named Enrique Fuentes handle it, ostensibly another employee. Sechrist later e-mailed, "Hey, is Enrique Fuentes an actual person?...If I'm going to be giving people a [phone] number, I would hope that it works." Ortegon-Rico specified at one point that Fuentes was a "busy guy" and e-mail was the best way to reach him. (The FTC hasn't been able to confirm Fuentes's existence.) Sechrist eventually informed Willms he wanted out, but it did no good. He's charged in the FTC case alongside three other Americans for helping Willms perpetuate his allegedly deceitful tactics."
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  • Profile picture of the author Dawn Wise
    I wonder how long these people believed they could continue scamming people before they would get caught. Also, I wonder if they believed they were doing anything wrong.
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  • Profile picture of the author AnnaSEO
    Height of Scamming..! At the end of the day it's only a legitimate work that makes you feel safe.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cocobrico
    Only a matter of time until they get caught
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    Typical Net scammer but large scale. And look at all the people saying "oh man what did he do wrong?"

    The Net shows what happens when there is no law or people think they can get away with scams.
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    What next Dave, Nigerian scammers are actually really good business people and should be allowed to keep all their "profits" Are you running a scam as well? Sounds like you actually approve scams?


    Originally Posted by Dave90210
    His practices are no more deceptive than any big business in the United States. Look at the banking and housing industry in the US with all the hidden fees and especially the cellphone contracts.

    I'm dealing with a cellphone company that sold me a phone that doesn't work and they won't give me a working phone or service, but they continue to charge my card $135 for no service!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by sloanjim View Post

      Sounds like you actually approve scams?
      No, Jim, Dave is complaining that he is being scammed by his cell phone company and the government isn't doing anything about that.

      Most realistic business owners have already given up having you as a customer, incidentally, so threatening not to do business with people is not actually making any statement at all.

      We're already perfectly aware that you probably don't want to do business with us, not because we're actually up to anything, but because you think anything even remotely suspicious is evidence of dramatic inexcusable scammery.
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    Out of interest are their any laywers on this forum? Real ones?

    What do you make of the I.M. industry on a whole? I just see fake, B*S* everywhere now. Most people are doing things they wouldn't dare do in the real world for fear out being sued, outed and laughed at.
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    • Profile picture of the author J Bold
      Originally Posted by sloanjim View Post

      Out of interest are their any laywers on this forum? Real ones?

      What do you make of the I.M. industry on a whole? I just see fake, B*S* everywhere now. Most people are doing things they wouldn't dare do in the real world for fear out being sued, outed and laughed at.

      Cynical, broad, sweeping generalizations never really help any discussion get anywhere. That's what you're doing here.
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    Yeah he even said himslef "I knew this day was coming"

    I wonder if he started off slowly and the over time started to beleive he would never be caught? Greed I suspest keeps them going until caught! He could have baield out at $50M profits and got way with it....but oh no.."just another $100M..."


    Those were my thoughts at first. I saw a documentary on CNBC about Wall St scammers like Bernie Madoff. These people are convinced they are invincible. That's why they have all their assets frozen. They don't even try to hide assets. Homes, cars, planes, bank accounts, etc.... are easily liened or confiscated.
    They have gotten away with it for so long they start to believe the scam themselves.
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    Yeah that's a very good question. I mean P.P would shut us down if we had about 5 complaints never mind 100,000+. You have to wonder if somem of the Merchant companies weren't in on it as well or at the very least turned a blind eye to it. Money talks..
    Originally Posted by MarkUSA
    Could someone please explain something to me:
    Authorities aside, how did he manage to keep his merchant account? With this number of complaints and chargebacks, the merchant account provider would soon suspend his account. In the U.S. or Canada, there's just no way to accept credit cards without good customer service and a solid refund policy. Negative option/free trials is perfectly legal, but you have to give refunds to those who ask for it.


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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    remind me never to do biz with you! Nice person.

    some people never ever learn i tell you by the time I made 100 million dollars i would have had it sit in an offshore bank and live off the interest under a pen name
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      The idea that people can actually defend this kind of thing is really scary, and even quite offensive.

      I'm breathing a sigh of relief and gratitude that another criminal has had his operations closed down, and that's one person fewer in the world whose obscene scamming can bring me and my business into disrepute just because I'm an "internet marketer" and "they're all crooks".

      I just wish there were far more of these people brought to rights, and far more quickly and far more regularly. That would help my business, too.
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      • Profile picture of the author Witty
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        The idea that people can actually defend this kind of thing is really scary, and even quite offensive.
        Exactly my thoughts.
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    • Profile picture of the author MattCatania
      @sloanjim

      Did you really need to post 6 times in a row? I believe one larger post with multi-quotes would have sufficed.

      Needless to say - the IM world is not 'one big scam' as you may have first thought.

      Just like in any industry, there are always going to be people who are willing to bend (or even break) the rules just to turn a profit. Those are the people that will eventually get caught out and made to face their crimes.
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  • Profile picture of the author davemiz
    the merchant account thing is... a few things...
    1. offshore,
    2. load balancing
    3. *MANY* merchant accounts

    whats really messed up is that this guy makes $359 million scamming people and gets in deep Sh!t.... (rightfully so)...

    but the us govmnt, politicians and wall street scammed us out of 100x that amount and no ones been prosecuted, or gone to jail.

    sad state of affairs...
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  • Profile picture of the author perfectpixel
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    i guess karma caught up to him, that's nuts
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    • Profile picture of the author nickdamodda
      Originally Posted by Iamroyce View Post

      What, he donated a couple hundred grand? He's made hundreds of millions. If I were to rip people off, I would create something huge and give to people who need it or create a HUGE legitimate company and then pay the people off twice as much as I jacked.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Iamroyce View Post

      Oh wow ... his PR person told him to dump a bit of cash to some charities and to post nice stuff on his own blog about himself. Impressive.

      I'd be more impressed if he had voluntarily returned all the money that he stole from people with negative option billing.
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      • Profile picture of the author 1byte
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        Oh wow ... his PR person told him to dump a bit of cash to some charities and to post nice stuff on his own blog about himself. Impressive.

        I'd be more impressed if he had voluntarily returned all the money that he stole from people with negative option billing.
        I agree 100%. Just because Mr. Willms does some good with charities, it does not negate all the harm he has done by ripping people off. What he donated is just a tiny fraction of what he earned...uhm...I mean scammed from his victims.
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        • Profile picture of the author rambo9600
          Originally Posted by 1byte View Post

          I agree 100%. Just because Mr. Willms does some good with charities, it does not negate all the harm he has done by ripping people off. What he donated is just a tiny fraction of what he earned...uhm...I mean scammed from his victims.
          You will find that 100% of all scam artists donate to charity and are involved in their community, aka Bernie Madoff. That's why the scam continues for so long and I truly believe these scammers have done this far in advance in case they get busted.
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            That guy is one hell of an internet marketeer.

            He would've been millionaire anyway if he played by the rules.
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            • Profile picture of the author nickdamodda
              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

              That guy is one hell of an internet marketeer.

              He would've been millionaire anyway if he played by the rules.
              Are you kidding, I could have done this. This isn't hard to do.
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  • Profile picture of the author jenn1
    hmmm, why do people do things like this? freaking people drive me nuts with all of their scams....nothing worse than being scammed.
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    • Profile picture of the author 1byte
      Originally Posted by jenn1 View Post

      hmmm, why do people do things like this? freaking people drive me nuts with all of their scams....nothing worse than being scammed.
      Why do people do things like this?

      The answer is simple: They make a lot of money scamming people, as demonstrated by Mr. Willms!
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  • Profile picture of the author Oliver Williams
    There are always honest and ethical ways to make great money online it is not necessary to lie to people and cheat them.
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  • This is an interesting read for sure what a scammer and I am glad they caught him.
    Internet crimes are starting to get more and more recognized.
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  • Profile picture of the author kasher9
    There's blackhat and then there's just plain scamming. This goes beyond the latter and just goes too far.
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  • Profile picture of the author failideas
    i wonder how much would he made if he played by the rules
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  • Profile picture of the author madzstar
    does anyone here know hwo to make money with torrent sites?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
      Originally Posted by madzstar View Post

      does anyone here know hwo to make money with torrent sites?
      Well if anyone is why the hell would they tell you? Why don't you try something out and see what happens, learn from it and make a few changes and see what happens again. It's not hard to try something for God sake!
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  • Profile picture of the author Curtis2011
    Can't believe that guy got off with a settlement. He and everyone at his business should be in jail.
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  • Profile picture of the author JaySG
    The numbers are staggering, however, all for what? I really think you can make vast amounts of money online honestly and by being an ethical marketer.
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