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arranrice

12 years ago

HideMyBehind.Com Its my site but ohwell

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olavlind

12 years ago

Google "free anonymous proxy" and you get around 12 million results, the first page contains lists and tables including extra data that are helpful in choosing the right one.

~Olav

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TestiVar

12 years ago

Why would you need "anonymous" surfing for web 2.0 account creation?

Are you afraid that the owners of one of the Web 2.0 companies will stalk you?

Or are you really intending to spam the heck out of them using separate IPs?

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CDarklock

12 years ago

Originally Posted by TestiVar

Or are you really intending to spam the heck out of them using separate IPs?

That one.

When you can't let people find out who you are while you run your business, chances are it is less of a 'business' and more of a 'crime.'

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TestiVar

12 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

When you can't let people find out who you are while you run your business, chances are it is less of a 'business' and more of a 'crime.'

I actually use HideMyIP to look at advertisers in different geographies, but I can't imagine why I would need to hide my ip when creating accounts somewhere.

Well; I can imagine. But it's not any kind of honest reason. I thought spamming or advocating spamming was against the forum rules?

The first three items I clicked on today were about spamming. What gives?

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CDarklock 12 years ago

Originally Posted by TestiVar

I thought spamming or advocating spamming was against the forum rules?

It's kind of a grey area. This isn't "hey go use HMA to spam places," it's "what do you do with HMA?" which is not against the rules.

Now, if someone says "I use it to spam!" that gets a little darker grey, and if they go on to give detailed instructions so you can do it too, the mods start to get grumpy-face.
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agc

12 years ago

Originally Posted by TestiVar

I actually use HideMyIP to look at advertisers in different geographies, but I can't imagine why I would need to hide my ip when creating accounts somewhere.

Well; I can imagine. But it's not any kind of honest reason. I thought spamming or advocating spamming was against the forum rules?

The first three items I clicked on today were about spamming. What gives?

I can think of plenty of reasons. ONE. I don't THINK I'm doing anything wrong. But the big brother G decides to get a wild hair up their ass about something on one of my sites, and they decide to kill all of my sites. My entire livelihood. With no due process.

So I say, anyone with even a shred of sense should make sure they have as many Google identities as possible, and take whatever measures necessary to make sure they stay "unconnectable". ie, proxies, fabricated identities, the works.

Not because I advocate crime, but rather because big brother G, with their atrociously oppressive behavior, has made it necessary... even if you dont THINK you're doing anything wrong, even if you don't INTEND to do anything wrong, they can eff you at any moment for any reason, real or imagined. And you have no recourse.

That's what happens when you have backroom justice behind closed doors.

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eva dora 12 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

That one.

When you can't let people find out who you are while you run your business, chances are it is less of a 'business' and more of a 'crime.'

I am looking at building link wheels manually for multiple sites and i keep reading about having a "new IP" and using "proxies" from the users on this site.
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- Alexa Smith Banned 12 years ago
  
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  i keep reading about having a "new IP" and using "proxies" from the users on this site.
  
  Would those be the users promoting "proxies", by any chance?
  
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- CDarklock 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by eva dora
  
  I am looking at building link wheels manually for multiple sites and i keep reading about having a "new IP" and using "proxies" from the users on this site.
  
  1. Why are you building link wheels?
  2. Why do you need a new IP?
  3. Why do you need a proxy?
  
  If you can't answer those questions, perhaps you should be asking one of them instead of how people use HMA.
  
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  eva dora 12 years ago
  
  If you can't answer those questions, perhaps you should be asking one of them instead of how people use HMA.[/QUOTE]
  
  HMA was mentioned in the 40 day challenge, so I a was wondering how some WF member, who use HMA, use it strategically. I am a newbie which is why i asked the question, i want to know how people use various tools for IM.
  
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  CDarklock 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by eva dora
  
  HMA was mentioned in the 40 day challenge
  
  Why?
  
  Why is it there? Why do you need it? Why are you doing this challenge in the first place?
  
  Most ignorance is willful.
  
  I am a newbie which is why i asked the question, i want to know how people use various tools for IM.
  
  I'm learning carpentry. How are other people using Makita's cordless reciprocating saw?
  
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  Ken Strong 12 years ago
  
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  I'm learning carpentry. How are other people using Makita's cordless reciprocating saw?
  
  A reciprocating saw? I don't think I want to go near a saw that's going to reciprocate.
  
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agc 12 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

That one.

When you can't let people find out who you are while you run your business, chances are it is less of a 'business' and more of a 'crime.'

Unless you're just trying to make enuogh money to buy rice to eat in Kenya, and your account keeps getting banned on various free lance sites _just_ because of where you live.

At which point, a US proxy just might be the thing.

Yanno, not EVERY BS THING that happens in this world is necessarily fair or deserved.
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Entrecon

12 years ago

In some dictionaries I think "crime" is defined as "strategy".

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wizzard74

12 years ago

I wouldn't go round using proxies, if you use a proxy you've got something to hide and I don't mean something good to hide.

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TestiVar

12 years ago

I don't know what a "40 day challenge" is, but I would say to throw away all of the material for the person who told you to use HMA or build link wheels or build multiple sites.

I have read the biographies of several successful online business people. I have never heard them mention any of those things. I am a serial entrepreneur myself. I have never done any of those things.

Building a business entails:

1) Following the law and only performing ethical actions.
2) Making customers happy.
3) Making products and services better.
4) Finding new customers.

I assume that these "link wheel" things have something to do with trickery and unethical behavior. My guess would be that you are trying to trick the search engines into giving you a higher than warranted ranking to get more visitors to get more sales.

That's not business. As CDarklock put it, that is much more like committing a crime than it is conducting business.

If you need to hide your ip, then you are probably more involved in committing a crime than conducting business.

There are legitimate reasons to hide your IP. Perhaps you are involved politically in a frowned upon group in an oppressive country. Perhaps you live in Canada, but you wan't to see a site as it is normally seen by U.S. residents.

Creating multiple accounts by hiding your IP and violating the terms of use for a site is not one of them. If the goal is to use fake accounts to trick other sites into giving you more weight than you deserve, then you have two strikes against you.

Throw away whatever material you are following and read some material about how to build a real business. Crime doesn't pay.

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CDarklock 12 years ago

Originally Posted by TestiVar

I would say to throw away all of the material for the person who told you to use HMA or build link wheels or build multiple sites.

Baby. Bathwater. Do the math.

Lots of people are realistic and will tell you both ethical and unethical ways to accomplish a task, then leave you to make your own decision on which way you prefer to use.

Advising someone not to use the unethical way is one thing. Advising them to ignore both ways because one of them is unethical, that's another. Many of these challenges do, in fact, give good and ethical advice - it's just up to the student to recognise it and use it.
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eva dora

12 years ago

[QUOTE=TestiVar;5696037]I don't know what a "40 day challenge" is, but I would say to throw away all of the material for the person who told you to use HMA or build link wheels or build multiple sites.

I have read the biographies of several successful online business people. I have never heard them mention any of those things. I am a serial entrepreneur myself. I have never done any of those things.

Building a business entails:

1) Following the law and only performing ethical actions.
2) Making customers happy.
3) Making products and services better.
4) Finding new customers.

I assume that these "link wheel" things have something to do with trickery and unethical behavior. My guess would be that you are trying to trick the search engines into giving you a higher than warranted ranking to get more visitors to get more sales.

> That is exactly it. It seems like everyone on WF talks about this... maybe it's just me.

There are legitimate reasons to hide your IP. Perhaps you are involved politically in a frowned upon group in an oppressive country. Perhaps you live in Canada, but you wan't to see a site as it is normally seen by U.S. residents.

> Yes, I am in Canada

If i can change my IP with the flick of a switch then I can watch the US Netflix movies (more of selection), among other things.

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CDarklock

12 years ago

Originally Posted by eva dora

That is exactly it. It seems like everyone on WF talks about this... maybe it's just me.

Well, you basically have two groups of people for any given activity in business.

You have the people that think it is a Good Idea, who talk about it a lot.

And you have the people that don't, who usually say "that is a Bad Idea" and go do something else.

Most of the talk you see about any idea is from people who like it.

There is a significant contingent of people on this forum who think SEO is stupid. There is also an entire subforum of people who think it is the greatest thing EVAR and make their living almost exclusively from doing it.

People like me, who think it is stupid, don't go into that subforum. It's a waste of time.

Just be aware of where you are and what "everybody" means. It may seem like everybody is talking about link wheels, but if you go to some of the top SEO people here, they'll tell you that link wheels largely don't work anymore.

Of course, then they'll usually tell you that backlinks are everything now and oh by the way they happen to sell backlinks and would you like to buy some? - so maybe they're full of crap. There's an awful lot of that in the SEO world. There are certainly honest people in there doing honest things that really work, but it's kind of like pearl diving in a septic tank.

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Originally Posted by CDarklock

There is a significant contingent of people on this forum who think SEO is stupid. There is also an entire subforum of people who think it is the greatest thing EVAR and make their living almost exclusively from doing it.

People like me, who think it is stupid, don't go into that subforum. It's a waste of time.

Agreed.

I haven't quite got it down to such a fine art of ignoring that subforum as you have. I sometimes post in threads here which then get moved there, and I go back to see the follow-up replies and find myself posting "down there" after all.

Originally Posted by CDarklock

Of course, then they'll usually tell you that backlinks are everything now and oh by the way they happen to sell backlinks and would you like to buy some? - so maybe they're full of crap.

There's an awful lot of that in the SEO world. There are certainly honest people in there doing honest things that really work, but it's kind of like pearl diving in a septic tank.

Indeed. Exactly so.

But since we're on the subject, Eva Dora, if you want to talk about linkwheels, I offer you this post: http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...ml#post4628650

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agc

12 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

Well, you basically have two groups of people for any given activity in business.

You have the people that think it is a Good Idea, who talk about it a lot.

And you have the people that don't, who usually say "that is a Bad Idea" and go do something else.

Yep, the catholics and the protestants, slaughtering each other over religious wars.

And which are right?

NONE OF THEM, that's who. Not a damn one of them. Because reality almost NEVER fits a one dimensional binary (yes/no, true/false) scheme.

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CDarklock

12 years ago

Originally Posted by agc

Unless you're...

...unable to understand the phrase "chances are" or why it was included.

Originally Posted by agc

But the big brother G decides to get a wild hair up their ass about something on one of my sites, and they decide to kill all of my sites. My entire livelihood. With no due process.

It is not Google's job to protect your livelihood. It's yours. And if Google can shut you down, you're doing a crap job.

That's what happens when you depend on someone else for 100% of your income.

Fixed that for you.

Originally Posted by agc

And which are right?

It doesn't matter. People who like something talk about it more than the people who don't like it.

Search through my posts on the forum, and you'll find me talking an awful lot about product creation and developing assets you own and control, but not so much about SEO and Web 2.0 and using proxies. Why? Because I talk about what I like.

So why don't you talk about developing assets you own and control? Gee, probably because you like using proxies to trick people into giving you lots of accounts.

I don't think that's right, and I've got no problem saying it. But I'm not telling you how to run your business. You have a choice, and you can choose whichever path you want.

I choose this one.

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agc 12 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

It is not Google's job to protect your livelihood. It's yours. And if Google can shut you down, you're doing a crap job.

Thank you for just proving my point about why it might be wise to use proxy servers. See, we really do agree after all.
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- CDarklock 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by agc
  
  Thank you for just proving my point about why it might be wise to lie to the people who can shut you down.
  
  Fixed that for you.
  
  I don't think you understand what the word "wise" means.
  
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  agc 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by CDarklock
  
  Fixed that for you.
  
  I don't think you understand what the word "wise" means.
  
  Anyone who can shut me down without due process cannot be trusted to do the right thing. So I agree completely with your statement that it is wise to lie to them. They get to make the rules. I have to play within those rules. That doesn't necessarily mean I have to comply with the rules. Gasp! The nerve!
  
  It merely means that I (have no choice but to) accept them for what they are. And then I just might choose to do whatever it is I gotta do for my own reasons.
  
  For Rosa Parks, the rules we clear, as were the consequences. In the world you are championing, that would mean she shoulda taken her ass to the back of the bus.
  
  I disagree.
  
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  CDarklock 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by agc
  
  All private companies cannot be trusted to do the right thing.
  
  Fixed that for you.
  
  Due process is a right which the government extends to you. Private companies are never required to do so, and whatever illusion of due process they give you is entirely voluntary.
  
  So I agree completely with your statement I made up that it is wise to lie to them.
  
  Fixed that for you.
  
  It is not wise to lie to someone when they can shut down your business for whatever reason they like, and have outright promised that they will do it in a hot minute if you lie to them. It is sort of the opposite of wise.
  
  It merely means that I (pretend to have no choice but to) accept them for what they are.
  
  Fixed that for you.
  
  Your business does not have to depend on Google. Lots of businesses don't. Twenty years ago, there was no Google, but there were plenty of businesses. Fifty years ago, there was no internet, but there were plenty of businesses. Two hundred years ago, there was no electricity, but - you guessed it - there were plenty of businesses.
  
  You have chosen to depend on Google for your livelihood. If you do not like Google's policies and the power they hold over your business, then you have made the wrong choice, and you should fix it.
  
  Lying to them is not how to fix it.
  
  For Rosa Parks, the rules we clear, as were the consequences.
  
  And she chose to accept those consequences, which was commendable and heroic.
  
  You are choosing to lie so you can avoid the consequences, which is cowardly and dishonest.
  
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- Chris Worner 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by agc
  
  Thank you for just proving my point about why it might be wise to use proxy servers. See, we really do agree after all.
  
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  agc 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Chris Worner
  
  -Chris
  
  Wow. That was so convincing. Thank you for showing me the error of my ways.
  
  Seriously. Is the best argument you can make really just an internet cliche?
  
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  CDarklock 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by agc
  
  Is the best argument you can make really just an internet cliche?
  
  Nobody is arguing with you. We're just demonstrating to the rest of the world what a neverending spiral of fail you are.
  
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  agc 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by CDarklock
  
  Nobody is arguing with you. We're just demonstrating to the rest of the world what a neverending spiral of fail you are.
  
  Fortunataly, not everyone in the world is naive enough to believe that everything is right in the world.
  
  Unfortunately, those who are both not naive and also not stark honking lunatics are far too few to have any chance of making any difference at all.
  
  The human race really is doomed.
  
  I just occasionally forget that fact long enough to argue on principles. Just for a moment or two until the sheer stupidity of the masses overwhelms me with hopelessness and I crawl back under my rock.
  
  You win. You are right. Goodnight.
  
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  CDarklock 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by agc
  
  Fortunataly, not everyone in the world is naive enough to believe that everything is right in the world.
  
  And not everyone in the world is corrupt enough to believe that it's okay to do the wrong thing if everyone else is doing it too.
  
  The world is corrupt because people have chosen to make it that way. If you don't like that, all you can do is change yourself. The rest of the world will have to change on their own.
  
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  Obbeg 12 years ago
  
  Hide my IP address is one of the most reputed softwares.
  
  They accept money orders also so they are honest company.
  
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  Chris Worner 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by agc
  
  Seriously. Is the best argument you can make really just an internet cliche?
  
  A picture is worth a thousand words.
  
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mightiest

12 years ago

Originally Posted by TestiVar

I don't know what a "40 day challenge" is, but I would say to throw away all of the material for the person who told you to use HMA or build link wheels or build multiple sites.

I have read the biographies of several successful online business people. I have never heard them mention any of those things. I am a serial entrepreneur myself. I have never done any of those things.

Building a business entails:

1) Following the law and only performing ethical actions.
2) Making customers happy.
3) Making products and services better.
4) Finding new customers.

I assume that these "link wheel" things have something to do with trickery and unethical behavior. My guess would be that you are trying to trick the search engines into giving you a higher than warranted ranking to get more visitors to get more sales.

That's not business. As CDarklock put it, that is much more like committing a crime than it is conducting business.

If you need to hide your ip, then you are probably more involved in committing a crime than conducting business.

There are legitimate reasons to hide your IP. Perhaps you are involved politically in a frowned upon group in an oppressive country. Perhaps you live in Canada, but you wan't to see a site as it is normally seen by U.S. residents.

Creating multiple accounts by hiding your IP and violating the terms of use for a site is not one of them. If the goal is to use fake accounts to trick other sites into giving you more weight than you deserve, then you have two strikes against you.

Throw away whatever material you are following and read some material about how to build a real business. Crime doesn't pay.

So JC Penny isn't a business because they artificially boosted their ranking for some competitive keywords?

Sorry bro, but you seem to be operating under the delusion that search results are still "organic." They aren't. They're gamed. The better you play the game, the better you rank. Period.

As for this:

1) Following the law and only performing ethical actions.
2) Making customers happy.
3) Making products and services better.
4) Finding new customers.

1. There is nothing illegal about setting up 20, 30, or 1,000 Web 2.0 sites. There's also nothing illegal about using proxies.
2. Setting up multiple web 2.0 sites has nothing to do with customer happiness.
3. Again, completely irrelevant.
4. That's the name of the game. Rank well for search terms. Get new customers.

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CDarklock 12 years ago

Originally Posted by mightiest

So JC Penny isn't a business because they artificially boosted their ranking for some competitive keywords?

That's right. JC Penney is a business because they have a physical store that you can walk into and buy stuff. Artificially boosting their ranking is not their business and does not make them or anyone else one.

you seem to be operating under the delusion that search results are still "organic." They aren't. They're gamed. The better you play the game, the better you rank.

And you seem to be operating under the delusion that "ranking on search engines" is a business activity.

There is nothing illegal about setting up 20, 30, or 1,000 Web 2.0 sites. There's also nothing illegal about using proxies.

"Illegal" and "unethical" are not the same thing. You seem to have trouble with the concept of equivocation; you consistently change terms and act like they're the same thing, when they're not.

Setting up multiple web 2.0 sites has nothing to do with customer happiness.

Then one must question why, exactly, it matters to your business. A business involves a product or service being delivered to a customer by a responsible party. Where are the multiple web 2.0 sites in that?

That's the name of the game. Screw existing customers. Get new customers.

Fixed that for you.

I don't play that game. You can play it, if you want. But I think it's stupid.
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TestiVar

12 years ago

Originally Posted by mightiest

2. Setting up multiple web 2.0 sites has nothing to do with customer happiness.

Then why do it? It doesn't make your customers happy (which is what they pay you to do). It doesn't make your product or service better.

It isn't a business activity. If you want to earn more money (versus virtually stealing via attempted fraud), then you will focus on business activities. Business activities make your customers happy, improve your product or service or find you new customers in a legal and ethical manner.

BTW, JC Penney existed when I was a kid long before the Internet. They aren't a good example of a real business who made it by gaming search engines. If such a business exists, it isn't JC Penney. They made it before the search engines existed.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by TestiVar

Then why do it? It doesn't make your customers happy (which is what they pay you to do). It doesn't make your product or service better.

Well, that completely depends on how you make them. A Web 2.0 with useful information that also has links to your main site is both in and of itself and plays an important role in linking. Just because you create tons of them doesn't mean they have to be useless.

They also are completely divorced from your product or website. Whatever text is, or isn't, on any web 2.0 property you own has absolutely zero effect on the content or service that your website offers. Plenty of real businesses like JC Penny rely on tactics like mass web 2.0 creation to rank their pages whether it's local dentists or big companies that have outsourced their SEO work.

BTW, JC Penney existed when I was a kid long before the Internet. They aren't a good example of a real business who made it by gaming search engines. If such a business exists, it isn't JC Penney. They made it before the search engines existed.

And they did some much shadier **** than creating some web 2.0s. So it's cool if they do it because they're a real business promoting a real product, but it's not alright if a "fake" business that hasn't been around since you were a kid does it?

Ha. Get real.

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That's right. JC Penney is a business because they have a physical store that you can walk into and buy stuff. Artificially boosting their ranking is not their business and does not make them or anyone else one.

They're one of a million "real" businesses that artificially boosts their ranking. End of story. If people didn't game Google then this forum wouldn't exist.

And you seem to be operating under the delusion that "ranking on search engines" is a business activity.

You seem to operate under the delusion that SEO isn't a business.

NEWSFLASH: Organic search results aren't organic.

"Illegal" and "unethical" are not the same thing.

Go back and read what I wrote. I was responding to the notion that creating web 2.0's is against "1) Following the law and only performing ethical actions." Don't blame your inability to understand the difference between "ethical," "legal," and "against terms of service" with me. You did that all on your own.

You seem to have trouble with the concept of equivocation; you consistently change terms and act like they're the same thing, when they're not.

You seem to fail to grasp the oh-so-complicated fact that there's nothing illegal nor immoral nor unethical about creating multiple accounts on sites like Wordpress.com. End of story.

Hell, it doesn't even violate their terms of service. As long as you're providing value to the user and as long as you aren't doing something blatantly illegal, they really don't care what you do. Don't believe me? Go read their terms. They just don't want you to create 300 sites with ****ty spun content. Fine. I never said anything about doing that, I was talking about creating sites that add value. It's exactly what they want and it's a win-win situation.

Then one must question why, exactly, it matters to your business. A business involves a product or service being delivered to a customer by a responsible party. Where are the multiple web 2.0 sites in that?

I'm not going to have a huge discussion about SEO strategies, but web 2.0s are great for certain ranking strategies. They can help you lock down the rankings on a certain KW. They're useful. They're an asset and, as long as you aren't dumping crappy PLR content or using non-English speakers to write your content, you're doing exactly what they want... creating content that drives traffic to their website.

Fixed that for you.

I don't play that game. You can play it, if you want. But I think it's stupid.

You literally have NO idea what I do. None. You're just making more poor assumptions based on absolutely zero.

Nobody here is arguing that filling the internet with bull**** spam is a good thing, but just because you do something on a large scale doesn't mean you have to do it poorly and well-done Web 2.0s are exactly what those companies want, just like Ezine wants well-written articles. It's a win-win for everyone involved because they get their content and, if the writer is smart, they get their pages blasted with links. In return, one or two out of the ~50 links on the page links to the author's website.

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CDarklock

12 years ago

Originally Posted by mightiest

They're one of a million "real" businesses that artificially boosts their ranking.

But boosting their ranking doesn't make them a business.

You seem to operate under the delusion that SEO isn't a business.

SEO is not a business. "Selling SEO services" is a business.

I was responding to the notion that creating web 2.0's is against "1) Following the law and only performing ethical actions."

Notice the word "and" in there.

If I say "you must have peanut butter and bananas," and you say "I already have peanut butter," you still do not have the bananas.

So when you say "that is not illegal," it does not change the fact that it is also not ethical.

You seem to fail to grasp the oh-so-complicated fact that there's nothing illegal nor immoral nor unethical about creating multiple accounts on sites like Wordpress.com. End of story.

However, it is unethical to create multiple accounts on sites that prohibit multiple accounts by using a proxy to conceal your identity so you can use those accounts for business purposes.

Notice how these are different things? You still seem to have trouble with that idea.

I'm not going to have a huge discussion about SEO strategies

Neither am I.

When you have to lie to do what you want, the lying is wrong even if what you want isn't.

But since you have to lie, chances are pretty good that what you want is wrong, too.

You literally don't give a crap what I do.

Fixed that for you.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

However, it is unethical to create multiple accounts on sites that prohibit multiple accounts by using a proxy to conceal your identity so you can use those accounts for business purposes.

It is not necessarily unethical. It is illegal in the context of the laws of the site itself. Nothing more, nothing less.

Don't make the mistake of confusing rules and laws for ethics.

(You don't really mean to say that you believe it was ethical to make colored people eat outside in 1952? Do you?)

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CDarklock 12 years ago

Originally Posted by agc

It is not necessarily unethical. It is illegal in the context of the laws of the site itself.

The site doesn't have laws. It has a contract. You are misrepresenting your identity on that contract. That is (necessarily) unethical.

(You don't really mean to say something racist? Do you?)

Why, no, I don't. Because racism is a moral issue, not an ethical one. Perhaps you should go look up the difference.
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  Originally Posted by CDarklock
  
  Why, no, I don't. Because racism is a moral issue, not an ethical one. Perhaps you should go look up the difference.
  
  "The difference between ethics and morals can seem somewhat arbitrary to many, but there is a basic, albeit subtle, difference. Morals define personal character, while ethics stress a social system in which those morals are applied." - What is the Difference Between Ethics and Morals?
  
  So, exactly as I suspected, you are in fact saying it was ethical to make the coloreds eat outside, because racism is a moral issue. Maybe YOU should review the difference before calling me out for using the term very carefully, precisely and accurately with the exact distinction already in mind.
  
  Ironically, the truly moral people are the ones who are willing to stand up when what is "ethically" right is still just plain wrong.
  
  Branding someone a criminal just because they don't blindly trust authority doesn't mean they really are criminals. They MIGHT be criminals. But it's also possible that you are just projecting motives and intentions on them that are all about YOUR view of the world, and completely ill founded and outright wrong when applied to THEIR view of the world.
  
  Call it ethics, call it morals, call it whatever you want, but in the end, it's really just narrow mindedness.
  
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  Originally Posted by agc
  
  So, exactly as I suspected, you are a racist.
  
  Yes. So what?
  
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Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by agc

It is not necessarily unethical. It is illegal in the context of the laws of the site itself. Nothing more, nothing less.

Don't make the mistake of confusing rules and laws for ethics.

(You don't really mean to say that you believe it was ethical to make colored people eat outside in 1952? Do you?)

You're confusing the meanings of "unethical" and "immoral", AGC.

Caliban is right.

A dictionary will help you. At the moment you're thinking of the word "ethical" as having the meaning of the word "moral". In 1952 that was ethical. By definition. Albeit that it was an ethic that was itself completely immoral.

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agc 12 years ago

Originally Posted by TestiVar

1) Following the law and only performing ethical actions.

Are you one of those people who believes that those two are always reflexive synonyms?
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12 years ago

I'm confused here because hidemyass.com is free. All it does is let you surf to a website without your own IP address being visible to it. OTOH, if you need long term stuff like that (i.e. if you live overseas or whatever and wanted to access georestricted sites or you're just the type who really likes privacy), there are lots of VPN services out there, including some which offer free accounts (hideipvpn comes to mind for example).

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CDarklock

12 years ago

Originally Posted by YasirYar

I'm confused here because hidemyass.com is free. All it does is let you surf to a website without your own IP address being visible to it.

What are you confused about? Surfing without revealing your IP address is something most people don't need unless they're doing something they shouldn't be doing.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

What are you confused about? Surfing without revealing your IP address is something most people don't need unless they're doing something they shouldn't be doing.

I'll tell you why I use it. When I want to see how one of my sites is doing for a certain keyword, and I just do a normal Google search, it shows me my own sites, along with the message "shared by you." This is annoying and misleading, as it doesn't mean I'm actually ranking on the first page. So I'll sometimes surf anonymously to find out where my site really comes up. Is that a devious practice that proves I wear a dark colored hat? :rolleyes:

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Troy_Phillips

12 years ago

It always amazes me how people can condemn so many aspects of online promotion but have probably not tested any of the tactics themselves.

It is easy to say one would not use mass backlinks to get to page one but .. if your competition has went that direction, no one is telling that it could be a necessity to do some mass backlinks yourself.

Same goes for proxies .. Google could care less if you are scraping them to gather information to use as a guide to manually submit to the most relevant blogs in your niche or to use software to mass comment. The end result is the same if you are scraping.

As long as someone is applying a tactic to their business and it is not sucking me into doing something I would consider unethical .. more power to them. Like it or not ... there are a lot of people on here that will preach from the pew the wrongness in doing the exact same things they are doing behind supposed closed doors.

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CDarklock

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips

It always amazes me how people can condemn so many aspects of online promotion but have probably not tested any of the tactics themselves.

I've never kidnapped, raped, and killed anyone because it's wrong.

Is that unfair of me?

If you think something is wrong and nobody should do it, of course you don't test it. It's wrong. WTF.

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Troy_Phillips

12 years ago

There is a big difference in Rape .. Kidnapping .. and murder and breaking a site's tos.

Just because you think something is wrong doesn't make it wrong. It just shows you have an opinion.

The person that believes strongly in Thou shall not kill could easily change their mind if they are the one being shot at... or one of their children is being shot at and they just happen to have a gun.

Same goes for doing everything the way the moral majority thinks is right to get to the first spot on Google and all of a sudden someone uses automation to take over the spot you have worked so hard for.

I have no problem in fighting back with the same tactics.

Originally Posted by CDarklock

I've never kidnapped, raped, and killed anyone because it's wrong.

Is that unfair of me?

If you think something is wrong and nobody should do it, of course you don't test it. It's wrong. WTF.

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CDarklock

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips

Just because you think something is wrong doesn't make it wrong.

It does, however, generally make it something you don't do.

That goes right along with the idea of "wrong" in most people's heads. Wrong = "don't do that." So complaining that the people who think something is wrong have not tested it seems like you've somehow missed that point that they think it's wrong.

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Troy_Phillips

12 years ago

You kind of left out the rest of the quote where I said Just because YOU think it is wrong doesn't make it wrong .. it just means you have an opinion.

What you think is wrong has no bearing on what I think is wrong, or what is universally considered wrong. Not that I would be in that last group either.

Some would say it is wrong to spin the crap out of an article and mass submit it anywhere you can get it accepted. While I think it is a very short term strategy, without testing it I can not really give an educated view of it's effectiveness and if I did test it .. no matter how many thinks I am wrong for doing so .. it wasn't wrong .. just stupid.

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It does, however, generally make it something you don't do.

That goes right along with the idea of "wrong" in most people's heads. Wrong = "don't do that." So complaining that the people who think something is wrong have not tested it seems like you've somehow missed that point that they think it's wrong.

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CDarklock

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips

You kind of left out the rest of the quote

Yes, because it was irrelevant.

People who think a thing is wrong...

...whether they are right about that or not...

...are not going to go try it out just to make sure it's wrong!

It doesn't matter who is right. What matters is that because they think it's wrong, they are never going to go test it. Complaining that they should test it is a massive failure to understand that people do not experiment with things they believe are wrong.

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Troy_Phillips

12 years ago

Not arguing that point. I am saying .. and I quote .. "just because you think using proxies is wrong does not make it wrong." It is your opinion it is wrong.

Originally Posted by CDarklock

Yes, because it was irrelevant.

People who think a thing is wrong...

...whether they are right about that or not...

...are not going to go try it out just to make sure it's wrong!

It doesn't matter who is right. What matters is that because they think it's wrong, they are never going to go test it. Complaining that they should test it is a massive failure to understand that people do not experiment with things they believe are wrong.

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CDarklock

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips

Not arguing that point. I am saying .. and I quote .. "just because you think using proxies is wrong does not make it wrong." It is your opinion it is wrong.

You were also saying, and I quote "It always amazes me how people can condemn so many aspects of online promotion but have probably not tested any of the tactics themselves."

If they believe it is wrong, of course they will not test it.

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Troy_Phillips

12 years ago

I can see this not going anywhere lol.

Keep preaching your moral superiority and maybe someone will pass the hat but I think I will skip the rest of the message.

Originally Posted by CDarklock

You were also saying, and I quote "It always amazes me how people can condemn so many aspects of online promotion but have probably not tested any of the tactics themselves."

If they believe it is wrong, of course they will not test it.

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CDarklock 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips

Keep preaching your moral superiority

What moral superiority?

Whether your beliefs are accurate or not, you are going to behave according to what you believe. Failure to do this is called "hypocrisy."

If a person believes a thing is wrong, that person is not going to test it.

That's not moral superiority. It's intellectual consistency.
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  Originally Posted by CDarklock
  
  Whether your beliefs are accurate or not, you are going to behave according to what you believe. Failure to do this is called "hypocrisy."
  
  Except when it's called "obedience".
  
  Ever notice how everyone thinks everyone else's behavior is immoral, yet their own behavior is somehow justified. Are you one of those people?
  
  (wtf am I talking about? homework: Milgram Experiment. "The Perils of Obedience")
  
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  Ever notice how everyone thinks everyone else's behavior is immoral
  
  Nope. I've just noticed that dishonest people believe everyone else is dishonest, too.
  
  Of course you can justify your own behaviour. If you couldn't, you'd change it. But if you're an idiot, your justification doesn't have to make much sense.
  
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12 years ago

I'm learning carpentry. How are other people using Makita's cordless reciprocating saw?

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12 years ago

I realize my answer isn't really what the OP was looking for and I don't think it falls into CD's conversation.

I use HMA to check out where my websites are ranked for certain keywords. I've read on the internet (so it must be true) that Google will alter the search results based on your previous searches or browsing history. I thought HMA would protect me from that and give me the results for a person who has never searched for my keywords.

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Yazid Chala

12 years ago

the best use of HMA service is to pay for their VPN service, their software has this option to switch IPs frequently, they have a lot of IPs and all are High speed. i have an account with them and am more than satisfied.

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Banned 12 years ago

tons of free proxy sites out there, fastproxynetwork is one

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12 years ago

You can rent a VPS and install a VPN or Proxy on it. Some providers even give you tens of thousands of IPv6 IP's and various sites already support those(facebook,google,etc...) my site lists over 50 cheap vps hosts, you're bound to find a good deal there. BTW regular IPv4 which everything is on, you can typically add another one for a few bucks. How this is better then crappy web proxy sites like hidemy...is they spy on your traffic most likely, they're slow(VPS's are usually 100Mbps-1000Mbps) and they're full of Ads. Not to mention lot of sites are well aware of their IP/hostnames so you may automatically be put into a spammer category since so many use that and similar. With VPS the IP's are unknown, you have complete control, they're extremely cheap($3 or less a month most of them) etc...

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12 years ago

Hidemyass is terrible and will leak your logs. I recommend nvpn.net

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12 years ago

So many jumping to conclusions here.

I use HMA VPN service. Does that mean I'm doing something bad or got something to hide?

Here's what I use it for...

1) I can check geotargeted offers/landing pages and see what they look like from the country where the sales will come from.

2) My own country is feeding most of the internet through a filter/proxy and has the final say on what we get to see. They don't always get it right. At times they've blocked the my own sites, BBC, sitebuildit.com, and other internet marketing (guru) sites. When they do this, I can tunnel to another IP and see what I'm missing and continue to work.

3) I can check affiliate sponsors to ensure that they are not disfunctional. I've discovered at times that changing my ip and going through a signup procedure sometimes results in different content being delivered. And in some rare cases I've even seen content designed to take the signup away from the affiliate. Can't detect that from the ip I signed up with.

4) Sometimes a site might stop selling. When it does, I check out the affiliate banners and tools that are displayed on the pages. If one isn't working, checking if it works from various locations sometimes pinpoints a local fault in routing, server config, or dns, etc.

There are many other reasons but I've said enough.
Using HMA isn't allways about creating false identities. Its a useful tool that has paid for itself may times over.

To the OP;
There is a free version but its nothing like the paid service. When I started out I just signed up for a single month whenever I needed it, its cheap enough that way. Once you find you are using it on a regular basis, switch to a longer subscription to save a few dollars.

The strategy of creating multiple accounts on web2.0 and social communities is not all bad as many would suggest. I setup accounts for clients all the time. Do I change my ip when I do that? Of course. Why? So that ip is not a factor in some algorithm used for tracking. I don't want my marketing experiments to affect my clients, nor theirs to affect mine.

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CDarklock 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Insite

Using HMA isn't allways about creating false identities.

Using HMA for anonymous account creation, however - as the OP specified - is about creating false identities.
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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Insite

So many jumping to conclusions here.

I use HMA VPN service. Does that mean I'm doing something bad or got something to hide?

Here's what I use it for...

1) I can check geotargeted offers/landing pages and see what they look like from the country where the sales will come from.

2) My own country is feeding most of the internet through a filter/proxy and has the final say on what we get to see. They don't always get it right. At times they've blocked the my own sites, BBC, sitebuildit.com, and other internet marketing (guru) sites. When they do this, I can tunnel to another IP and see what I'm missing and continue to work.

3) I can check affiliate sponsors to ensure that they are not disfunctional. I've discovered at times that changing my ip and going through a signup procedure sometimes results in different content being delivered. And in some rare cases I've even seen content designed to take the signup away from the affiliate. Can't detect that from the ip I signed up with.

4) Sometimes a site might stop selling. When it does, I check out the affiliate banners and tools that are displayed on the pages. If one isn't working, checking if it works from various locations sometimes pinpoints a local fault in routing, server config, or dns, etc.

There are many other reasons but I've said enough.
Using HMA isn't allways about creating false identities. Its a useful tool that has paid for itself may times over.

To the OP;
There is a free version but its nothing like the paid service. When I started out I just signed up for a single month whenever I needed it, its cheap enough that way. Once you find you are using it on a regular basis, switch to a longer subscription to save a few dollars.

The strategy of creating multiple accounts on web2.0 and social communities is not all bad as many would suggest. I setup accounts for clients all the time. Do I change my ip when I do that? Of course. Why? So that ip is not a factor in some algorithm used for tracking. I don't want my marketing experiments to affect my clients, nor theirs to affect mine.

That sounds like a LOT of work!

If I were you, I would just use the link in your signature:

"Psychic Reading"

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12 years ago

Hi eva,

Even though there are many free providers for using proxy services. You won't get sufficient speed and enough advantage with that services.
If you really need of proxy services, you can invest $ 5 every month and get a amazing services like proxies, ip servers from many countries .
And you can use it for many Seo tools with this services.
It is worth for what you invest.

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12 years ago

Hide My Ass paid is a great tool and worth the $9.95 per month. Invest in it. I use one account on 3 computers without any problems.

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12 years ago

There are a number of reasons why services like hidemyass are effective. I had a subscription with them before just so I can listen to pandora radio which is limited to US traffic. Another thing I use it for is to manually check rankings easily since by not having a US ip, my results tend to be a bit different and are most of the time very drastic. And the free proxies are too cumbersome to use.

I now utilize hidemynet because of hidemyass' lack of support for ipad (dont know about know) and would recommend them as an alternative.

And no, I never used it for spam and I don't intend in doing so.

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agc

12 years ago

BTW. Why do you feel the need to change my words before you respond to them? Do you work for CNN or Fox or some skeezy tabloid or maybe even some horrible political campaign? Why not quote my words as I actually said them? After all, I said them in writing. You know, on the record. I have no problem having them read back to me.

It's really rather sad and pathetic to not respond to what I really said. I can certainly see why it would be easier to respond after you've twisted and distorted and made believe that I said something different. But it does lead me to wonder what major malfunction would cause such an inability to separate what I said from what you seem to wish I said.

After all, a man of any integrity would interpret my words in his own words rather than pretending I said something I didn't say.

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CDarklock 12 years ago

Originally Posted by agc

Why do you feel the need to make what I say funny?

Because it annoys you and makes things generally irritating.
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- agc 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by CDarklock
  
  Because I don't really have anything worthwhile to say and therefore choose to just be a jackass and cause arguments.
  
  Ahhh. I got it. Carry on, as you're doing quite well at it. I might even say you're a bit of a savant.
  
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  Jeff Henshaw 12 years ago
  
  Well this has certainly been one heck of a thread. I don't know what's happened to the OP, I hope that he or she hasn't fallen asleep. If so just put it down to lack of commitmen!.
  
  Anyway, since I have read everything and not contributed; I feel impartial, so I've decided to make the awards.
  
  CD gets the Gold.
  
  I'm still considering the runners up for the Silver and Bronze.
  
  Try not to keep things going too much longer as it's 6:10 in the morining here in the UK - and I haven't been to bed yet! Darn it, where was that link for the proxy bed?
  
  Jeff.
  
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12 years ago

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