IM Newbie and Confused

by Wotz Banned
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I've done some research on Internet Marketing and it seems that it's the best way to earn money online. However, with my readings, I've found out that there are so many products that IM "gurus" offer. My questions are: are these products really what they say they are, and are the "gurus" promoting them are the real thing? If these gurus want to help people earn money online, how come we need to pay a lot for the product even if we still have to test it if it works?
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  • Profile picture of the author CyberAlien
    Originally Posted by Wotz View Post

    If these gurus want to help people earn money online, how come we need to pay a lot for the product even if we still have to test it if it works?
    Anyone offering a product will normally charge you for it. Why would they give it to you for free?

    That's similar to asking why a counselor or a therapist or even a college charges for their services.
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  • Profile picture of the author rangga_ryuuzaki
    That's business. They still need money to get their bills down.
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  • Profile picture of the author lotsofsnow
    Ford also wants to help people go somewhere; they still do not give away cars.
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  • Profile picture of the author Elmar
    People dont value what they get for free. In our society price tag indicates value. If you want to succeed in IM buy a $4999 coaching program and you will follow through. Buy a $37 ebook and you might not even finish it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    you only have to if your too lazy to dig through resources like.. this board and test out the heaps of basic marketing advice you can get here ..this stuff wasn't here 5 years ago ..you had to spend money..

    now as a look back here..it's more about figuring out which tools i want to use for the business i want to create ..

    when people find and put this information together ..they have a right to charge for it ..if your in infosumer phase then munch on all the free stuff you can .

    i spent a lot of money back in the day to feel like i was doing something ..but i was just spending money ..
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    • Profile picture of the author stevenfabian
      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

      you only have to if your too lazy to dig through resources like.. this board and test out the heaps of basic marketing advice you can get here ..this stuff wasn't here 5 years ago ..you had to spend money..

      now as a look back here..it's more about figuring out which tools i want to use for the business i want to create ..

      when people find and put this information together ..they have a right to charge for it ..if your in infosumer phase then munch on all the free stuff you can .

      i spent a lot of money back in the day to feel like i was doing something ..but i was just spending money ..
      Yes, you have everything you'd ever need in the Warrior Forum. Don't spend too much money on guru products, espcieally if you know you can't resist them and will just buy another one always, instead of just taking action on ONE.

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  • Profile picture of the author Bret Ferguson
    Don't go spending your life savings on a "Guru" product. Don't fall for the gimmicks and tricks either. Build your business on solid Internet Marketing principles.

    The nutshell version:
    Find a market that interests you or one that you may have a passion for. The big 3: Health, Wealth or Love. (those are evergreen markets)

    Within one of the above markets find a niche within the market. Even a niche within a niche. You do this with keyword research. Once you find a "hungry" market create a product be it a video, eBook, audio that you can sell, giveaway whatever.

    Build or have someone build you a website or a blog. Set up a paypal account if you don't already have one. Get an auto responder to begin creating a "list."

    Once you have that work on getting traffic to your site.

    If you're going to be an affiliate marketer then find a hot product to promote either through Amazon or Click bank. Build your website/blog, paypal, autoresponder and promote your product.

    That's a very simple outline but I think you might get it if you've been perusing the IM field for awhile.

    That's the "free" nutshell version. You can find products and programs that will detail all the steps and everything in between for less than $97. That's a bargain btw.

    Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author GerryMedia
    The information that gurus sell and package as products are available online and you can find them -- only if you put time to it using research. Want to build aist? Then do research on list building and talk to people who have big lists.. If you don't, you'd be inclined to buy a guru product on list building.

    Guru products are no different from books you find in the bookstore. You can buy the book (packed with info) or do the research yourself.

    It's easy to blame the sellers of info products, but it's their job to sell. Your job as a consumer is to become an intelligent buyer and make purchasing decisions based on your goals and what you want to focus on.

    If my goal is to become the best blogger in my niche, I won't buy the latest shiny Facebook product just because everybody is promoting it and getting people excited.

    If you are new to internet marketing I suggest you define your goals first, then do things everyday to get closer to your goal. This is your best protection against "gurus" wanting you to buy stuff
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    Paying for something qualifies you as an action-taker, not a window price shopper.
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  • Profile picture of the author JeremiahSay
    It's all about business.. People don't value FREE products.. I have thousands of FREE ebooks in my laptop, some cost $7, some cost $47, or even $77.. the problem is I don't give a **** about them, I don't even bother to complete their courses.

    If I were to use my own money to buy a product which cost me $3.97.. I'm damn sure I'll at least read thru the entire ebook (or watch the entire video)..

    Get my point? Some people are really off to help others, but at the same time they too need to make money for themselves, talk about Robert-Kiyosaki.. It's all about business..

    OF course in the IM world there are also "con-mans" "gurus" who are off to merely make money without delivering any value in their products..

    It's our job as IMer to chase after the "real" deal..

    Hope this answer your question,
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  • Profile picture of the author trilogy9013
    It all depends on what "guru" your referring to. Most internet marketers these days sell relatively poor products. Once you find the "good" marketers though it will be easy to find many others. You can find product reviews here on warrior forum too.
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  • Profile picture of the author MaryPabalates
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    See, if you are sounding a Guru then you have skill of that thing thats why you are acting as a Guru, a fake Guru can easily be recoginized on internet today, the same way a fake product would also have low rating and no no from the society as well.

    My advice is before buying any product or trusting any personality, it is better to do some research about that, you would be in good position about what to do or what not to do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shapeless
    @Wotz I am currently working on a marketing E-Book and debating on the what I should do with it. I had originally decided to write it to thank the entire Warrior Forum for helping me, then I got stuck on question of "assigned value." and may charge a price.

    Since you are a newbie, that can be potentially valuable to me. You have not had much experience I am guessing. I am willing to give you my e-book thus far for free. All I would like back in return is your feedback on how helpful it was, what further questions you have etc. It is up to you; it may help or it may not at all. Upon completion, the book is yours for free also.

    Right now it contains:
    Introduction
    Creative & Persuasive Writing
    Emotions & Poetry In Marketing
    Target Niche Marketing
    - Software
    - Keywords
    Branding
    - An Image
    - Your Business
    - Press Releases
    - Securing Your Brand
    Market Psychology & Ethical Manipulation
    - Ethics & Morals
    - Techniques
    - Entry/Exploit Points
    - Triggers
    - Motivation

    I plan to add:
    Product Release
    Web 2.0 in depth
    Social Media
    Blogs
    Articles
    Marketing Software and Programs...etc

    I do not have enough posts for a PM yet, we can talk via email if you'd like, please post back. If not, disregard my offer.

    My original post is here: .com/main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum/551213-professional-industry-ready-e-book.html
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    • Profile picture of the author Wotz
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      Originally Posted by Shapeless View Post

      @Wotz I am currently working on a marketing E-Book and debating on the what I should do with it. I had originally decided to write it to thank the entire Warrior Forum for helping me, then I got stuck on question of "assigned value." and may charge a price.

      Since you are a newbie, that can be potentially valuable to me. You have not had much experience I am guessing. I am willing to give you my e-book thus far for free. All I would like back in return is your feedback on how helpful it was, what further questions you have etc. It is up to you; it may help or it may not at all. Upon completion, the book is yours for free also.

      Right now it contains:
      Introduction
      Creative & Persuasive Writing
      Emotions & Poetry In Marketing
      Target Niche Marketing
      - Software
      - Keywords
      Branding
      - An Image
      - Your Business
      - Press Releases
      - Securing Your Brand
      Market Psychology & Ethical Manipulation
      - Ethics & Morals
      - Techniques
      - Entry/Exploit Points
      - Triggers
      - Motivation

      I plan to add:
      Product Release
      Web 2.0 in depth
      Social Media
      Blogs
      Articles
      Marketing Software and Programs...etc

      I do not have enough posts for a PM yet, we can talk via email if you'd like, please post back. If not, disregard my offer.

      My original post is here: .com/main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum/551213-professional-industry-ready-e-book.html
      Yes, I am very interested. Thank you! I have been spending hours on the net looking for useful guides on online marketing but I'm just seeing a lot of how-to-products for sale. I know I need to spend a substantial amount first if I want to succeed in this business, the thing is, there are just too many products, too many "gurus" that it's simply hard to choose. The silver lining is chancing upon this website and hearing from real professionals like you.

      I would truly appreciate any help. Thanks again!
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      • Profile picture of the author gvsridhar171
        Originally Posted by Wotz View Post

        I know I need to spend a substantial amount first if I want to succeed in this business

        I would truly appreciate any help. Thanks again!
        I don't think your understanding is right with this one statement of yours. You don't have to spend a substantial amount first. You just have to spend substantial amount of time to do a research if you are not clear what you want to do.

        You have to do one of the following or both :

        (a) Sell a product
        (b) Sell a service

        Customers should come to your site or you should go after finding customers who can buy from you. Both are very tough but that's the name of internet game. Between the two finding customers to buy your product / service is much easier than driving traffic to your website.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by Wotz View Post

    If these gurus want to help people earn money online, how come we need to pay a lot for the product even if we still have to test it if it works?
    Because you have to be the kind of person who can make them work. Which, in most cases, means you have to have a few thousand bucks to throw at the process.

    I was lucky enough to get handed a copy of Frank Kern's Mass Control 2 without paying a dime for it. But the fact is, without a business that can absorb a $2k expense, I can't do much with it. The system is feasible and probably works, but until I get my business up to the point that I can allocate $2k a month to using that system... it's just not very useful.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
      Oh my goodness.... (Deep breath)

      I know IM can be confusing and overwhelming. Believe me, I really "get" that.

      But there are so many things wrong with your thinking that it just overwhelms me.

      1. If you're asking "Why should I pay for it? Why can't I just get it for free?" Well, that gets into capitalism vs. socialism or communism and that's a whole 'nuther ball of wax I don't have the time or patience to explain here.

      If that's really your question, you've got VERY BIG problems that the WF can't address.

      2. You asked:

      "Are these products really what they say they are, and are the "gurus" promoting them are the real thing?"

      Some are, some aren't. Yes, there are a lot of shysters out there who are either trying to scam you or, if they're not outright scamming you, they're not delivering real value. Plain logic, though, tells you that not everyone is a scammer.

      YOUR job, therefore, is to sort through it all and find those people who you can trust and are doing what you want to do. You need to find LEGITIMATE people doing what you want to do, who are getting real RESULTS.

      THOSE PEOPLE are the people you buy from: their products and their coaching/consulting.

      No one can do it for you. That's YOUR JOB, simply because everyone is different and wants a different kind of business. The people you look to for guidance will be different than the people I look to for guidance.

      Recommendations and referrals help a great deal here. Referrals will help you find the people you need more quickly.

      Like all of us, you'll waste a certain amount of money on things that just don't work. The key is to keep it as minimal as possible. Learn very quickly and move on.

      I have a very short list of people I learn from, buy from and listen to. I long ago found people who were doing what I wanted to do and have RESULTS. These are the people I learn from and buy from -- and I've spent AT LEAST $1,000 with each of them.

      Before you ask, here's my list:

      1. Sheri McConnell -- SmartWomenInstitute.com

      Sheri is my current mentor and I'm currently in a 6-month $7K coaching program with her. She's the founder of the National Association of Women Writers which she folded into the Smart Women's Institute in 2010.

      She's a multi-millionaire and she is PHENOMENAL. I was in a year-long $3K program with her in 2010 and I'm back this year for help launching my new business.

      I love what she does and how she does it. To me, she epitomizes what a woman in business should be and I want to be just like her when I grow up.

      2. Ali Brown -- AliBrown.com

      Ali's Online Success Blueprint has been my IM roadmap ever since I bought the first copy in 2008. She used to release a new version every year and I bought TWO at $1,500 a pop. They've been worth every penny.

      Ali is also HUGELY successful and a multi-millionaire.

      Sorry, she no longer offers it.

      3. Carrie Wilkerson -- Barefoot-Executive.com

      Carrie IS the Barefoot Executive and she also has HUGE results to show for her efforts.

      Carrie is down to earth and very real. She really cares about her people.

      4. Joan Stewart -- PublicityHound.com

      Joan is a former journalist and newspaper editor and now she teaches others how to get publicity and merges publicity with IM.

      I occasionally buy from and listen to others, but these are my main mentors and the people I've been buying from and listening to. They've all been around a long time and really know their stuff. They have huge RESULTS.

      Back to your questions:

      3. You asked:

      "If these gurus want to help people earn money online, how come we need to pay a lot for the product even if we still have to test it if it works?"

      Smart marketers sell you a tested, PROVEN system. That's what you're paying for. You're NOT paying for something that MIGHT work, that you have to TEST.

      Caliban is right though:

      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      Because you have to be the kind of person who can make them work.
      Each person and their business is unique. Even if you buy a tested, proven system, you still have to be the kind of person who can make it work for YOUR business. It can take a few tries to get the nuances right and get the system up and running.

      That's ok though though. That's NORMAL.

      It does mean, though, that you need to be picky about who you learn from and what you buy.

      Knowing what your business model is though, is SO important. See my next post in this thread.

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      • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
        As JPeddler said earlier in this thread, Internet marketing is NOT a business model. The Internet is simply a medium. Just like the Yellow Pages, the fax, direct mail, etc. is a way to deliver your sales message and get customers, the Internet is just a way to deliver your sales message and get customers.

        It's just does a lot more and is a lot more cool than the fax, the Yellow Pages, direct mail, etc.

        When the fax machine first came out, you didn't hear people saying "I want to start a fax business."

        Same goes for the Internet.

        Clarity is a HUGE part of IM success.

        IM is actually pretty simple: you can sell only one of two things:

        1. Products
        2. Services

        That's it!

        And selling products or services online happens in the same basic way for everyone, no matter what they're selling:

        Traffic > Opt-in page > Autoresponder series (or e-zine) > Sales page

        That's it! It's just that simple. (We IMers tend to overcomplicate things.)

        But no matter what your niche is, or whether you're selling a product or a service, do you know what your business model is?

        A business model is the framework or skeleton of your business. Essentially there are three types of online business models:

        1. Membership-based model

        A membership-based business model allows you to build a community of people (your members) who are as passionate about your subject as you are. Your membership fees can be monthly or annual, but either way, you're building recurring, passive income.

        There are a lot of resources and information out there to help you build a membership-based business if you're interested in doing this.

        2. Product-based model

        Selling products allows you to maximize your time and effort by selling items over and over again. This can be hard goods or it can be information products. Information marketing is it's own business model under the product-based model. Information marketing allows you to take your brain to the bank by creating a product ONCE based on what you know and selling it over and over again.

        Affiliate marketing falls under both models. You can choose to market either products or services as an affiliate.

        3. Service-based model

        Selling services can be great for 1) generating quick cash (as in the case of article writing or video producing) and 2) establishing your expertise and getting testimonials.

        However, in the long run, your goal should be to offer services at a PREMIUM. The biggest advantage of IM is LEVERAGE. You're able to leverage your time, money and expertise exponentially online. We all have just 24 hours each day. Time to get ruthless about what you expect for those hours you spend in IM each day. Expect more of yourself and more from your business friends, clients, partners, etc.

        What results are you getting for those hours you spend online each day? Ultimately, your services should be at the bottom of your funnel and cost the most since they involve your time and personal attention. (We all have a limited amount of time each day.)

        The fun (and confusion) comes in with all of the endless mix-and-match possibilities of the above models. If you're just starting or still struggling to make money, keep it simple:

        Pick just ONE!

        1. Pick ONE niche. (Something you're interested in and know something about.)

        2. Pick ONE target market for your product or service. (Who will buy what you're offering? The more specific you are, the more you narrow it down, the more successful you'll be.)

        3. Pick ONE business model.

        Now that you're clear about what business you're in, FOCUS! (And stop buying any info not related to your niche and target market, period!)

        F -- Follow
        O -- One
        C -- Course
        U -- Until
        S -- Successful

        And remember: build a list, Build a List, BUILD A LIST!

        In IM, it's easy to put the cart before the horse. Take a deep breath, step back and consider what type of business you're REALLY want. Don't worry about getting traffic or buying that expensive traffic product until you know 1) what your business model is, 2) what niche you're in and 3) WHO your target market is!

        Successful business people will tell you that MARKETING is more than half the effort that's needed for success anyway. So pick a niche, target market and business model. Then spend most of your time and effort marketing it.

        If you DON'T have a solid plan or system, THAT'S when it's hard. A good system will shave YEARS (and save you big $$$) off of your learning curve

        That's why I recommend investing in at least one good, comprehensive IM course (or mentor who will give you such a system) instead of jumping from one $37 e-book to the next. A lot of people here complain about not being able to make any money. But neither are they willing to invest in their business. (Buying a random bunch of $37 e-books doesn't count.)

        The best thing I ever did was invest in a comprehensive IM course aimed at REAL business owners, not just other IM wannabes. Yes it was $1500. (It's no longer available.) But it was truly some of the best A-Z IM info I ever bought. Everything else I've learned (from the $37 e-books) since has simply been plugged into this system.

        Get a solid plan or system and then work the plan!

        Hope this helps!

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  • Profile picture of the author Miguelito203
    Originally Posted by Wotz View Post

    I've done some research on Internet Marketing and it seems that it's the best way to earn money online. However, with my readings, I've found out that there are so many products that IM "gurus" offer. My questions are: are these products really what they say they are, and are the "gurus" promoting them are the real thing? If these gurus want to help people earn money online, how come we need to pay a lot for the product even if we still have to test it if it works?
    When it comes to internet marketing products, there's a lot of crap out there. Not only are a lot of the products crappy but tons of people promote it just to make a sale -- knowing that it doesn't work and isn't going to make you any money. They are jerks that way. I guess they figure that people who are totally new to internet marketing won't realize they are being scammed because they don't know what works and what they need to look out for.

    The truth is that there are a limited number of ways to make legitimate money online, so as long as you learn a legit method and a quality program to teach you want you need to know, the only thing left for you to do is implement it -- put in the effort. I recommend you check out Unstoppable Affiliate by Andrew Hansen and Josh Stanton. It uses a long-term business model that has become standard, is taught by two marketers who do what they teach, and comes with really good customer support.

    Good luck,
    Joey
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  • Profile picture of the author WriterWahm
    If you're ready to work really hard, you could always research what you need to know on the internet. But how do you know if what you read will work? That is where the gurus come in; what they're actually charging for is their experience. If you're not ready to spend money to make money, then maybe you're in the wrong business. Or you're probably not cut out to be an entrepreneur anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
    Here is what I found out...the legitimate programs that really help newbies, give a free or very low cost trial period.

    Also, I found that most everything you need to get a going you can find for free on this forum.

    Many free programs actually offer a lot of value so don't discount something because it is free or very low cost.
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  • Profile picture of the author lingmag
    You may need to adjust your mindset at to what IM is and what is involved. Even though people jump into IM as a "quick" way to make money, IM is actually a "field" or a "profession" just like law, medicine, education, ect. It's also business. It's not "get rich quick" but it can be "get wealthy slow".

    Like other professions, to be successful at IM, you have to get an education. That education may require money but it can be "free" if you are willing to "spend" the time researching on your own.

    It involves building a system--a selling system. Now the components of that system can vary widely, i.e., website, blog, squeeze pages, videos, articles, email marketing, traffic, etc. (Don't mean to overwhelm you...). You are probably getting bombarded by product offers because each component of the system is a subject to itself; and legitimate products are intended to teach you and help you with a particular component.

    You must get this: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ONE-CLICK RICHES!!! There is no product out there that you can buy, set up with a few clicks, and have money roll in the next day. Or even the next few days. Unfortunately, products are hyped as if that's what they do.

    Whenever you get sent to an ad for a product, try to tune out the hype and go in like a scientist who is going to "disect" the ad. What is the product? What does it really do? What is actually being sold to you? Some of these ads are so crazy that they won't even tell you what the product is because the technology is so *top secret!*

    You may even want to not go to these ads for awhile until after you've read and researched more free resources on your own. Either stop or don't buy products until you have a plan. Like someone else stated earlier, you may want to explore a membership sight that offers some free trainings or a trial period.

    Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Morris4mCA
    If you dnt want to spend much money on buying these products. Go for low price products, have a look and try to collect some knowledge about IM. Good Luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author apurvmat
    Hey Wotz,

    I would definitely recommend that you gather good information (paid or free) before starting on your IM journey as it can help you save TONS of time and frustration, not to mention money.

    I'd started my journey about a year back as well, stumbling a lot, facing one disappointment after another, basically trying to do everything based on trial and error, and it was only after I joined up a legit program that I could launch into having a successful online business that I've right now.

    Check out a few different courses to see what resonates with you and then follow it!
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  • Profile picture of the author medosabry
    Hi,

    You don't have to buy anything, I can help you make money online then you pay me if you are satisfied.

    I am not going to tell you anything more than what is mentioned here, but I am going to make it shorter for you giving you step by step instructions.

    You can contact me at johnalbert239@gmail.com
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  • Profile picture of the author jpeddler
    Originally Posted by Wotz View Post

    I've done some research on Internet Marketing and it seems that it's the best way to earn money online.
    The substance of your entire post is in this very first sentence. I have seen this statement made since before there were forums where people would take the time to respond.

    First, let's get this straight - internet marketing is a course of action needed to sell on the web - not a business and definitely not a business model.

    It is a means of developing a way to sell on the internet - a process - a method to construct and launch a sales funnel, which is designed to convert prospects into taking an action where you earn money.

    Ecommerce is a nice way of saying: I have a sales conversion mechanism on the internet.

    Here's my take on where you are at:

    1. You have a plane ticket.
    2. You don't know which airline you want to fly on.
    3. You don't know where you want to go or how long it will take.
    4. You don't know how long you will stay wherever it is you decide to go.
    5. You haven't decided which places you might like to see.
    6. You don't even know when or if you will want to come back.

    You haven't said a word about what skills you have or are willing to learn. Can you sell, write, build sites or blogs, do SEO, etc?

    Are you willing to bust your ass - or are you looking for a magic button to pay you when pushed.

    Everyone here will tell you that magic button does not exist.

    It would be such bad advice for me to advise you to buy or choose anything that I should be arrested and go to jail for it - if I were to do it - which I won't.

    You haven't answered some serious questions yet - about yourself and what you want or can do - or even how much money you want to make - or how you want to make it.

    Start there.

    Get clear about all these factors first - before you spend a dime or ever look at or read a freebie or paid product.

    Then you will know what to acquire or buy - whether or not you want to buy it - if it is worth whatever the price being asked - and have a clear direction to go.

    Until you make those choices - everything else is moot.

    Right now - you are stuck in the airport and trying to go nowhere in a really big hurry.
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  • Profile picture of the author CoryW
    Definitely stay away from anything that appears to be a shortcut. I probably wasted a couple hundred bucks on WSO's that were not useful or helpful.

    I highly recommend checking out "Google Detonator 2.0" in the Warrior Special Offers Forum. It is one of the best I've ever read.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ian McMullan
    Originally Posted by Wotz View Post

    I've done some research on Internet Marketing and it seems that it's the best way to earn money online. However, with my readings, I've found out that there are so many products that IM "gurus" offer. My questions are: are these products really what they say they are, and are the "gurus" promoting them are the real thing? If these gurus want to help people earn money online, how come we need to pay a lot for the product even if we still have to test it if it works?
    Whatever you do, you need to take action and follow through. Don't get caught in the "bright shiny object" trap.
    It takes a bit of determination and FOCUS to see one thing through to the finish. Otherwise nothing will get done and you will be no further on in 1,2,3 years time.

    Trust me ... I know.... Been there

    Best of luck anyway

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  • Profile picture of the author digichik
    To succeed online you'll need FOCUS, and need to take ACTION. You must be committed to learning the fundamentals skills you'll need to know whether you choose CPA, affiliate marketing, website flipping, etc..

    Take the easy road, learn the IM skills in the beginning, so that you can truly focus on building a successful online business. Whether you decide to take the time to learn them in the beginning or later on, just know you will have to learn them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Bill
    Some of the courses, eBooks and coaching does help and some doesn't suit but while you're searching for the products to buy that will help don't forget to keep absorbing all the free stuff you can and there's a LOT of good free information that will help you get your head around a lot of the basics. One of the (obvious) resources (while not free itself) is this forum's "War Room". It might cost you (a little) to join but inside you will find a LOT of GREAT free stuff like reports, articles or even just reading the conversations that will help you get your head around how you're going to start making money online.

    There is a LOT of money being made and lots of ways to make it. The internet is the world. Keep looking and fill all your spare minutes with as much free stuff as you can. No information is (entirely) useless. If it doesn't help you directly it might help you in recognising what might not suit you but you need it to help you make decisions in the future.

    I was talking to a young man of just 17 years old last night who only joined this forum in December last year, only learned how to use Photoshop in the last few months (by reading free articles and watching free videos on YouTube), only started writing sales copy by reading free articles on it (mostly found in the War Room he said) and so far this year he has taken over $11,000 in graphics services and sales copy writing jobs! Everyone is happy with his services and when I asked him how he did it so fast he simply said "I don't know, I just read a heap of free stuff until I knew what I needed to know". He's just started college, still lives at home with his folks and earns more than anyone he knows.

    It can be done. Just keep reading. I know it's frustrating but sooner or later you will find your place in the IM world - trust me. Keep reading and looking. You're heading in the right direction. In fact in this thread there is some gold that will point you in the right direction that you've probably already missed (not in my signature). Look hard and you'll see it.
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    • Profile picture of the author showweb
      I'm trying to get into IM too and have been lurking around WF, just reading and trying to take in as much information as I can without overwhelming my miniscule brain.

      I discovered the potential of IM about a month ago, and have since then launched two sites, installed autoresponders on each, and outsourced a free ebook that I plan to give away. It's not hard if you have a great mentor who guides you through the maze and tells you what NOT TO DO. That's just as important as knowing what TO DO.

      I stumbled upon the name Chris Farrell on a thread here on WF and I looked him up. I got hooked immediately. He is perversely passionate about explaining the necessity of each and every step. There is a beginner's course that's aimed at the greenest of newbies (like yours truly) and I found it immensely helpful. I can explain how IM works in a nutshell. That's more than I can say for myself a month ago. For instance, everything Bret Ferguson said made sense to me. A month ago I wouldn't have had the knowledge to have an opinion on his post. I am yet to make a dime from Chris Farrell's program, but I have a good feeling.

      I have never spent money on any scheme or program before this, so maybe this IS the program where I get swindled. But I highly doubt it. The guy looks too sincere and there's just too many positive testimonials for it to be a fake. We'll see in six months.
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  • Profile picture of the author Noel Cunningham
    Originally Posted by Wotz View Post

    I've done some research on Internet Marketing and it seems that it's the best way to earn money online. However, with my readings, I've found out that there are so many products that IM "gurus" offer. My questions are: are these products really what they say they are, and are the "gurus" promoting them are the real thing? If these gurus want to help people earn money online, how come we need to pay a lot for the product even if we still have to test it if it works?
    When you pay a Guru you are basically paying them the Top Dollars because they are the experts in their field i.e. Making Money Online

    Their products are usually not very complicated but are just fundamental marketing advice that is often overlooked. They can charge the huge sums because it's the closest thing to a Proven System that you are likely to get.

    If you have a few dollars to invest in yourself it's well worth it if you can align yourself with a proven mentor. Just be careful and do your research so you don't get screwed in handing over your cash to some "no-mark"

    I myself have a mentor but I don't wanna plug them here - just hope that explains the thinking involved when someone does go after these Guru's for coaching. Best - Noel.
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  • Profile picture of the author Devin X
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    Originally Posted by Wotz View Post

    I've done some research on Internet Marketing and it seems that it's the best way to earn money online. However, with my readings, I've found out that there are so many products that IM "gurus" offer. My questions are: are these products really what they say they are, and are the "gurus" promoting them are the real thing? If these gurus want to help people earn money online, how come we need to pay a lot for the product even if we still have to test it if it works?
    Okay, first off. You made a good choice to be a member of the WF. It's great for learning a lot of stuff for free, networking with some of the best in IM, and even good for recruiting affiliates and customers. =)

    Anyway, my advice for you would be to NOT buy anything related to IM...including me. Why? Because most IM products are really hyped up to be something they're not, and it only leads to disappointment. Most IM products are geared to educate the customer about ONE marketing method...that's it.

    You should save your money. Spend a good amount of time reading on the forum, taking notes, and adding to the discussion.

    Then, I think you should set up 1 or 2 email series: join Aweber or Mailchimp (yes, even though they say they're against IM) Write up an autoresponder series that a client would get if they opt into your list. Make the emails once a week. If you can write up a quick how to e-book then you can give that away too.

    Then, after thats set up, you'll wanna buy 1 or 2 domain names that are keyword rich. Then make a simple one page website that tells the reader what you're about, and what you're offering, and then ask them to sign up for free.

    Then, write articles and guest posts on blogs that have links back to your squeeze page. You can make simple youtube videos too.

    As you drive traffic to the pages, you should get some subscribers to your list. Tweak the content on the page and see if it works better.

    As your list grows over the next few months, your autoresponder should be building a relationship with the clients. After your 5th email you can begin to send out offers. Don't go too fast or else you'll come off as a scammer!

    Best advice on the thread! The money's in the list, and there's no magic button! It takes time and consistent effort, and creativity.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cataclysm1987
    Originally Posted by Wotz View Post

    My questions are: are these products really what they say they are, and are the "gurus" promoting them are the real thing?
    Usually, no, but that depends on what you buy.

    If you buy a launch coaching formula and course from say, Frank Kern or a real marketer and put the business in motion and got to work and had the money to invest in a real business, then yes, it is the real deal.

    Buy a 7 dollar WSO that claims you can make 50,000 dollars a month on fiverr in 5 minutes a day and you will probably be disappointed.

    Originally Posted by Wotz View Post

    If these gurus want to help people earn money online, how come we need to pay a lot for the product even if we still have to test it if it works?
    Because the gurus want to make money just like you do.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tadresources
        Originally Posted by joefizz View Post

        Hi

        Spend money only on things that will earn you money!


        Words to live by!
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  • Profile picture of the author Tadresources
    Originally Posted by Wotz View Post

    I've done some research on Internet Marketing and it seems that it's the best way to earn money online. However, with my readings, I've found out that there are so many products that IM "gurus" offer. My questions are: are these products really what they say they are, and are the "gurus" promoting them are the real thing? If these gurus want to help people earn money online, how come we need to pay a lot for the product even if we still have to test it if it works?
    Anything out there that's worth it's salt is going to cost something. Even IM "gurus" need to make money. Do you think they are doing this stuff purely for altruistic reasons? lol

    That being said, there IS great free info out there if you are willing to take the time to look. This forum alone has a wealth of information, and there are plenty more like it out there.
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  • Profile picture of the author slimharry
    dont spend money on anything, if u want to b a good internt marketer than you shud visit to difrnt forums , read nd gain knwledge as much as u can, cux more u hav the knwledge about online marketing , easily u can earn
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  • Profile picture of the author garakrace
    Hmm. Why not just Google the information you are looking for.

    Trust me, you will find it lurking somewhere if you look hard enough. After that do some implementation and learning. This is probably the best way to start. No holes in your pocket.

    Then if you still can't find it, go to a relevant forum and ask for it. Be surprised.
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    • Profile picture of the author marklamaci
      I've had a few different experiences with the WSOs sold here.

      Some have been good but unfortunately a lot of been either Meh or a straight up con. Just make sure if you buy anything there is a trial period which you can claim your money back if you don't find it good.

      There are loads of good sites on the web which will tell you the basics, it's probably worthwhile starting there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shapeless
    This thread is amazing! @Wotz email me: MichaelACohee[at]Gmail[dot]Com - And please, listen to everyone they are all right!

    I'm adding Social Engineering and more Psychological Manipulation today - we will talk. I may even do a free beta release for a bunch of warriors to review and help

    To be on topic...most Guru's are really out there to help I have however come across a few who are just out to screw you. I have spent a lot of money learning what I know, and now I realize how to do things for free but if it wasn't for spending money in the first place, I would have never learned how to market for free.

    Another thing that I have learned and love to share with all is the Smoke & Mirrors technique I learned while in the music business. It is the act of creating hype that isn't there in unique, unheard of methods. I just used "The Wire" method to market a short story I wrote. I created an author (pen name), made him from the UK. Hired a "publicist" from Ireland. Started a subsidiary media company. Marketed both, the co and the publicist. Launched Press Releases for my Story; but after I did for the publicist and the co. I then sold the branded image as a "Famous UK Author Breaking Into The USA Writing Industry" - The smoke and mirrors was that I made it all up. This was the tactic used in the 50's for Music release. It is hard to do today because of the internet, but I took a stab at it.

    Now imagine an entire book of methodology like this. You can only learn tactics like this from experience or creativity. This is where the Guru's come into play. Each one has their own arsenal of methods. Some are well known and universal, others are unique and the property of that Guru and worth a lot.

    I love the Warrior Forum. I trumped out my entire class today with information that I have learned here haha.

    @Lingmag: So true, it is all about mindset. I approach IM with the Zen learning method. "I know nothing, and I am a newb." This way, even though I know what I know, I can always learn more.
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  • Profile picture of the author l@ttemonarck
    Originally Posted by Wotz View Post

    However, with my readings, I've found out that there are so many products that IM "gurus" offer. My questions are: are these products really what they say they are, and are the "gurus" promoting them are the real thing? If these gurus want to help people earn money online, how come we need to pay a lot for the product even if we still have to test it if it works?

    Don't believe every Guru says. It might be applicable to them but the best thing to know also is MAKING it HAPPEN. Reading is essential after that put learning into action.
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    • Profile picture of the author moneyroom
      Wotz, you're asking good questions and I hope this responses you've received so far here on the Warrior Forum are helping to put you into the right mindset.

      The bottom line is...we all want others to succeed. I want that for my customers, visitors, readers, listeners, viewers, members and anyone else I interact with you.

      I value the information and the knowledge I've learned and gained by being a part of this community. Learning how to do business online is just like learning how to do business off line.

      Smart people know what kind of outcome they want. Really smart people learn how to reach that point in the shortest amount of time with the best information, the most efficient resources and plans that work.

      Those plans usually come from other people who have learned which path to walk and which pitfalls to avoid.

      Much of what I've learned came to me from one of two sources. People I interviewed and became friends with and products I've purchased. The rest is from the research I did.

      Everyone starting out has to learn much of the same stuff. How you approach what you need to learn and how quickly you embrace it will determine how quickly you get into profit and be online success you want to me. And make the kind of money you want to make.

      Those are my thoughts and I think it's just that simple.

      Good luck. If I can do anything for you let me know.
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      • Profile picture of the author Noel Cunningham
        Originally Posted by moneyroom View Post

        Wotz, you're asking good questions and I hope this responses you've received so far here on the Warrior Forum are helping to put you into the right mindset.

        The bottom line is...we all want others to succeed. I want that for my customers, visitors, readers, listeners, viewers, members and anyone else I interact with you.

        I value the information and the knowledge I've learned and gained by being a part of this community. Learning how to do business online is just like learning how to do business off line.

        Smart people know what kind of outcome they want. Really smart people learn how to reach that point in the shortest amount of time with the best information, the most efficient resources and plans that work.

        Those plans usually come from other people who have learned which path to walk and which pitfalls to avoid.

        Much of what I've learned came to me from one of two sources. People I interviewed and became friends with and products I've purchased. The rest is from the research I did.

        Everyone starting out has to learn much of the same stuff. How you approach what you need to learn and how quickly you embrace it will determine how quickly you get into profit and be online success you want to me. And make the kind of money you want to make.

        Those are my thoughts and I think it's just that simple.

        Good luck. If I can do anything for you let me know.
        You talk a lot of sense here Moneyroom. It's so important to take the time to learn and take enough knowledge on board before you run off and waste a tonne of cash you don't have on BS products that will deliver very little!

        So Wotz just keep browsing the forum and interacting with people, get involved in thread discussion and ask plenty of questions. At one point or another we all started from the beginning so just keep that in mind.

        Anything is possible so keep the head up and keep driving forward
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  • Profile picture of the author fenixpro
    I generally focus on first understanding a method or system (one that resonates with me), then on practicing it systematically and asking for direction or help or whatever questions I have (from the creator or in general on a forum). Then with even basic success, I focus on refining and building a system to repeat that success and then juicing that system (scaling) to see how far or long I can take it.

    Obviously that's not new information and a lot of people share and practice this. The key for me however is mindset and attitude. When I first started with all of this, it took me a good 6 months to even understand what the hell IM was (is) and then another 2 months or so to understand the needed mindset to A) act like a business to systematically operate any method as a business and B) act like a marketer to consistently and confidently provide value in whatever medium I am in (websites, email lists, whatever).

    Seems to me that the psychology and mindset (intention), after a basic core understanding of what IM is and how it works (although it's variable) is the most important foundation one can build. After this, it is MUCH easier to sort through methods and systems and to pick the obvious 'better' choices AND implement them.

    The funny thing is, this is true in all areas of life and is what most self development coaching is based on. Just google directed thought.
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  • Profile picture of the author rashoman
    there is just no way around the learning curve and it will take you a lot longer on your own, you will just have to take your chances like the rest of us. Take your time and look around and see what others are recommending till you find something you are comfortable with
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  • Profile picture of the author ramblingrye
    That's because it's business. THAT's internet marketing on the works right there. But seriously, if you do not want to spend a dime on this you can just exert a little effort and research. A lot has been written about Internet Marketing online and the information is free. You just have to know where to look.
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  • Profile picture of the author gccalfeche
    I think it depends on the amount of effort you exert in making money online. These gurus shared their experiences of success by selling their e-Book or products. You may or may not get the same results like they do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Noel Cunningham
    Originally Posted by Portlandrocks View Post

    my experience has been that the market drives pricing. Things that are free are usually worth that much. Things that are expensive (though you can't quote me on it) are usually (ok sometimes) worth that much.

    Business is competitive in nature, it is the whole adam smith and the invisible hand thing at work.

    I have spent tons of money on WSOs (too much infact) I would recommend researching the gurus like a creepy stalker before spending a dime. If they check out then you can get AMAZING value for what you spend.
    Ah Adam Smith and the invisiable hand - the memories are flooding back to me now, all those great undergrad days in uni

    On a serious note - those "guru's" can charge the prices they do because they have a certain standing in the marketplace. They usually have an army of loyal followers who drive them tonnes of traffic from their respected sites/lists and thus can charge what they like.

    Their affiliates drive them traffic because their on huge commissions for a $500 product or $2k coaching site (who wouldn't for that sort of money!) The info you get off them may not be a million times better than what you'd read on a forum but the fact that your getting it all together in a system, designed to get you up and running fast probably plays a big part in the fees they can charge.
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  • Profile picture of the author Benjamin Ehinger
    My advice......treat guides like textbooks you buy for school. Take your time and choose the ones that fit your needs. You don't want to buy into Get Rich Quick Schemes or those that make outlandish promises. In fact many will offer you good guides to get you started for free or at least for $50 or less.

    Master one marketing technique at a time and understand it fully before you move onto another just like you would when taking classes. You wouldn't go to school and take 25 different classes in a semester, so why spend time with that many guides and strategies in the same amount of time.

    Choose one, two, three, or four guides to concentrate on over the next 6 months and you will be shocked at how much you accomplish.

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  • Profile picture of the author silentsal
    Like others have said, you need to pick a direction and go with it. Ignore any products or information that isn't directly relevant to your goal.

    You can find lots of information for free on the Warrior Forum and fellow warriors are often happy to help you out when you get stuck.

    My advice would be to join the War Room - it cost $37 when I joined last year. There's a ton of free information in there that can really help you get started

    You really can make a living online, but it does take a lot of hard work and determination

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    You don't need to buy anything just keep reading this forum and in time you will learn.
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  • Profile picture of the author smartiewriter
    Originally Posted by Wotz View Post

    I've done some research on Internet Marketing and it seems that it's the best way to earn money online. However, with my readings, I've found out that there are so many products that IM "gurus" offer. My questions are: are these products really what they say they are, and are the "gurus" promoting them are the real thing? If these gurus want to help people earn money online, how come we need to pay a lot for the product even if we still have to test it if it works?
    Hi Wotz,
    I have been doing internet marketing for 5 years and have a lot of trial and error experiences over the years. I could give you some personal feedback on what few things have actually made me money and which ones wasted my money. You can PM me if you like.
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  • Profile picture of the author IMHunter
    You need to clear your mind, research about what you want to do and take action no matter what.
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