Dont call yourself an internet marketer if you develop websites

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Because you aren't.

You're a web developer, not an internet marketer.

There's a HUGE difference.

In light of this thread below....

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...lly-thief.html

I feel this needs to be said.

I keep seeing members here saying "Im an internet marketer, I build websites". Im sorry, but this is doing my head in.

As a freelance web designer myself of 10 years, this is simply misleading.

If you build websites for clients, you are NOT internet marketing.

Whilst I still develop websites for myself to accommodate my own products, the work I do today as an internet marketer is COMPLETELY different to that of what I was doing several years ago as a web developer.
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  • Profile picture of the author CyberAlien
    Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

    If you build websites for clients, you are NOT internet marketing.
    If all you do is build them for clients then I would say that is true. But there are a lot of actual Internet marketers that build websites with the intent flip them which does require marketing. I would say it more depends on what your intent is with the site. But, if all you do is contract work for people to build websites for them then I definitely agree
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Whilst I'd sooner call myself a website designer / developer, producing a website is actually a component of marketing on the Internet.

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  • Profile picture of the author Brendanm
    I am a web developer and have been for over 6 years now. I am trying to get in to the IM business.
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh MacDonald
    Please don't call me a web designer, nor internet marketer. Millionaire is fine.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Meaney
    Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

    If you build websites for clients, you are NOT internet marketing.
    If we build sites for clients and provide basic SEO (like any web designer should) - I'd say that is Internet marketing.

    Even those brochure sites can be considered part of a businesses advertising campaign.

    Why do most offline businesses have websites? To promote themselves.

    I also started out in the 90's as a web designer / SEO and in my experience businesses have always chosen to use their website as another way to advertise.

    What you and I consider "Internet marketing", is different than what most businesses consider it to be - that's why they call in the professionals; to make sure it gets done right.

    Most businesses see IM as; a website, getting found on Google, and some of the more savvy ones think about social media.

    To us, this is the tip of the iceberg... most clients will never think to ask about conversion rates, site copy, list building etc etc - because they don't know what this stuff is - it's our job (or was, I don't take on clients anymore) to tell them about it, show them how it will help, and sell it to them.

    But if you're selling basic $500 sites and nothing else, then you're right... you're not at a level to call yourself an Internet marketer.
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  • Profile picture of the author DreamWarrior
    [QUOTE=John Romaine;5766022]You're a web developer, not an internet marketer.

    There's a HUGE difference.

    If you build websites for clients, you are NOT internet marketing.
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    I get what you are saying. And yes, heaps of people do get the two muddled. It just shows those who know their stuff, and those who are trying to get by as something else.
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  • Profile picture of the author metaarticles
    If you are creating sites optimized to get conversions and rank well in search engines, I think you are still an Internet Marketer.
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  • Profile picture of the author dvduval
    There are a lot of people who call themselves internet marketers who I would not like to be associated with as being like them. Marketing is such a large topic and nearly everyone who owns a business market in some way.
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  • Profile picture of the author magiclouie
    If you are a web developer, I guess you still need to market yourself in order to get clients.

    I think these 2 links could be of great help:

    Internet marketing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Web development - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Cheers,
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  • Profile picture of the author Halcyon
    So what you're saying is that even though web developers utilize internet marketing strategies, they're not really internet marketers?

    Similar to just because someone plays the guitar doesn't make them a musician.

    I got it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
      Originally Posted by Halcyon View Post

      So what you're saying is that even though web developers utilize internet marketing strategies, they're not really internet marketers?

      Similar to just because someone plays the guitar doesn't make them a musician.

      I got it.
      zing!
      :p

      of course this caught my eye immediately and I choked on my water!
      hehehe
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I don't really call myself an Internet Marketer. Marketing is a part of what I do, but building websites is a bigger part. But once a site is built, you have to market it.

    By the same token, if you are a web developer, someone has to market those skills to drum up those customers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sillysoft
    Cant you be both?
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    I think my original post may have been misunderstood by some. I apologise if I didnt get my message across clearly.

    My reference to "web developers" are those that simply build sites, as their sole business model. As in, meeting with clients, building sites, then repeating the process, with little or if no marketing strategies at all.

    I guess the real question is ...

    What is an internet marketer by true definition?
    What is a web developer by true definition?

    I think the intepretation of each is often very blurred.

    I understand that building sites is a fundamental part of internet marketing, but web development is certainly NOT internet marketing as an entity.

    Does a brick layer consider himself a property developer???

    I know for myself personally, I spent YEARS with my head buried in code and graphics, day in day out, yet knew nothing about list building, email marketing, keyword research or SEO.

    Put simply, I was a techie. I knew nothing about marketing.

    I didnt start this thread with the intention of getting up anyones nose, not at all.

    I just get frustrated when I see members posting here that they consider themselves "Internet Marketers" because they install wordpress blogs for clients at $15 an hour.
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    • Profile picture of the author magiclouie
      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      I just get frustrated when I see members posting here that they consider themselves "Internet Marketers" because they install wordpress blogs for clients at $15 an hour.
      I definitely got your point, mate. But when you get frustrated when you see members posting here that they consider themselves "Internet Marketers" because they install wordpress blogs, I suggest don't mind them.

      Even if you are just a web developer, but hey you are working online, whether you like it or not, you still need to market yourself as a web developer because of the competition.

      Are you referring to web developers who are working in a company?

      It's because if you are an independent web developer, you need to inform the world wide web that you are. How do you inform them? That's online marketing comes into play.

      Anyway, just my 2 cents for whatever they are worth on the subject matter.

      Cheers,
      Louie Tugas
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      • Profile picture of the author Rashell
        Hmmm, I thought this was a joke post at first (spoofing off of the "don't call yourself a writer... post).

        If not a spoof, who really cares what another business calls itself. It doesn't affect my business. It will only affect their targeting and whether or not they reach their desired audience. If they want to try to reach a target market with the wrong terminology what the heck do I care. On the other hand, if it's working well for them then I'll pay attention.

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        • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
          No one should be referring to their business as internet marketing anyway as internet marketing is NOT a business. If we're going to get nitpicky about what other people call their businesses, we might as well go for accuracy.
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          • Profile picture of the author KevL
            Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

            No one should be referring to their business as internet marketing anyway as internet marketing is NOT a business. If we're going to get nitpicky about what other people call their businesses, we might as well go for accuracy.
            Why shouldn't they? I don't waste much time worrying about what other people call themselves, or their businesses, I don't see how that's any of my business?
            I say, call yourself whatever you like (today I am Suzanne) call your business whatever you like (Today I am a secret agent, and my mission is to hunt down & silently assassinate some affiliate commissions...) as long as it's not hurting anyone what's the problem?
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            • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
              Originally Posted by KevL View Post

              Why shouldn't they? I don't waste much time worrying about what other people call themselves, or their businesses, I don't see how that's any of my business?
              I say, call yourself whatever you like (today I am Suzanne) call your business whatever you like (Today I am a secret agent, and my mission is to hunt down & silently assassinate some affiliate commissions...) as long as it's not hurting anyone what's the problem?
              Kev, I was being facetious in my post. If you'll notice, I said if we are to get that "nitpicky" about what other people call their businesses? I guess I should have put the little rolling eyeballs sarcasm emoticon... lol.
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              • Profile picture of the author KevL
                Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

                Kev, I was being facetious in my post. If you'll notice, I said if we are to get that "nitpicky" about what other people call their businesses? I guess I should have put the little rolling eyeballs sarcasm emoticon... lol.
                Ahh, sorry Tina. :rolleyes:
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              • Profile picture of the author ShaneGorry
                Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

                Kev, I was being facetious in my post. If you'll notice, I said if we are to get that "nitpicky" about what other people call their businesses? I guess I should have put the little rolling eyeballs sarcasm emoticon... lol.
                Don't you know this is the internet, it's serious buisness.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
    I tend to agree... but rather than just web developer... depending on what you do, it could also be...

    Publisher
    Writer
    Design
    And so on and so forth...
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  • Profile picture of the author Elluminati
    It doesn't seem like a big deal to me and doesn't bear the same seriousness of the thread, "Don't call yourself a writer if what you really are is a thief!"
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  • Profile picture of the author dsouravs
    Sorry Sir.
    With due respect, I don't agree with it.
    The way an woman can be a daughter and wife and mom at a same time.....A dev. can be an IMer at same time....if he or she has the skills.....

    Note the keyword is skills.

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    • Profile picture of the author gvsridhar171
      I beg to disagree with most of you for the following reason :

      Put yourself in newbie's shoes. Newbie I mean who is coming to IM for the first time and is yet to make any money. He learns web designing quickly and tries to become web developer and also succeeds in getting orders and he designs for them and earns money. As he has seen success in designing the website and he has tasted some money, he goes on to expand his horizon and comes out with strategies to develop his web designing business. And then after couple of years of success in this line of his business, some one posts a thread "you are not an internet marketer". Do you think he is going to accept ?

      What do you say ?
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      • Profile picture of the author bitriot
        This thread is stupid and in the end, just a way for some people to make themselves feel better than other people. Mind your own damn business.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    What's with all of these "label" threads lately? Why do we have to wear the label someone else gives us?
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    • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      What's with all of these "label" threads lately? Why do we have to wear the label someone else gives us?
      At least these guys have cool labels! Mine says "smart as a rock".
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      What's with all of these "label" threads lately? Why do we have to wear the label someone else gives us?
      Your parents labelled you, "Kurt," did they not? Or did you label yourself that?

      (I'm a little drunk by the way)



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      • Profile picture of the author KevL
        Originally Posted by Chris Worner View Post

        (I'm a little drunk by the way)
        Haha, isn't it illegal to be drunk in charge of a keyboard?
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        • Profile picture of the author Sillysoft
          Originally Posted by KevL View Post

          Haha, isn't it illegal to be drunk in charge of a keyboard?
          Yes its called a TUI (Typing under the influence)
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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by Chris Worner View Post

        Your parents labelled you, "Kurt," did they not? Or did you label yourself that?

        (I'm a little drunk by the way)



        -Chris

        I thought you were ignoring me?

        And...No, my parents NAMED me. But it's still another good example of word games people like to play on this forum.
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    • Profile picture of the author Snow_Predator
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      What's with all of these "label" threads lately? Why do we have to wear the label someone else gives us?
      Yeh, who cares?
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  • Profile picture of the author chaoslinker007
    Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

    Because you aren't.

    You're a web developer, not an internet marketer.

    There's a HUGE difference.

    In light of this thread below....

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...lly-thief.html

    I feel this needs to be said.

    I keep seeing members here saying "Im an internet marketer, I build websites". Im sorry, but this is doing my head in.

    As a freelance web designer myself of 10 years, this is simply misleading.

    If you build websites for clients, you are NOT internet marketing.

    Whilst I still develop websites for myself to accommodate my own products, the work I do today as an internet marketer is COMPLETELY different to that of what I was doing several years ago as a web developer.
    Who cares Dude?
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  • Profile picture of the author KarlWarren
    I just call myself a:

    Sit-on-my-arse-pushing-a-mouse-around-clicking-and-dragging-occasionally-and-watching-pretty-paypal-notifications-come-through-er
    Seems to work for me.

    Kindest regards,
    Karl.
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  • Profile picture of the author teemoney
    i agree this thread is beyond stupid! What benefit did you get from posting this?
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  • Profile picture of the author gentryliving
    John Romaine is just trying to explain the difference between web developer and internet marketing. Actually on my opinion, web developer is part of internet marketing.
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    • Profile picture of the author magiclouie
      Originally Posted by gentryliving View Post

      John Romaine is just trying to explain the difference between web developer and internet marketing. Actually on my opinion, web developer is part of internet marketing.
      It's quite irrelevant when you differentiate web developer to internet marketing.

      I think it should be Web Developer vs. Internet Marketer or Web Development vs. Internet Marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cataclysm1987
    I mean...don't you have to do some internet marketing in order to sell your web designer services?

    If you aren't making much money or if you have someone else handling your marketing strategy for you, then obviously you aren't an internet marketer, but for freelancers that are constantly seeking out work, I think this is appropriate.
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  • Profile picture of the author KevL
    Who cares? I don't care if someone comes on here and calls themselves a web marketer - or a mushroom.... makes no difference to me, call yourself what ever you like. Like on Tuesdays I like to wear women's clothes and call myself Suzanne. That's OK isn't it??

    And where are all these posts where people are saying "Im an internet marketer, I build websites" I don't recall having seen many of these.

    Ooooh, better go get my makeup on, it's Tuesday.....

    Suzanne.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sillysoft
      Originally Posted by KevL View Post

      Who cares? I don't care if someone comes on here and calls themselves a web marketer - or a mushroom.... makes no difference to me, call yourself what ever you like. Like on Tuesdays I like to wear women's clothes and call myself Suzanne. That's OK isn't it??

      And where are all these posts where people are saying "Im an internet marketer, I build websites" I don't recall having seen many of these.

      Ooooh, better go get my makeup on, it's Tuesday.....

      Suzanne.
      This only makes me want it to be Wednesday even sooner...
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      • Profile picture of the author KevL
        Originally Posted by Sillysoft View Post

        This only makes me want it to be Wednesday even sooner...
        Haha, how do you know - I may look great as a woman, even with the beard.....hmm, actually no I look like my mum, only my beard is shorter. (kidding mum)
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        • Profile picture of the author Sillysoft
          Originally Posted by KevL View Post

          Haha, how do you know - I may look great as a woman, even with the beard.....hmm, actually no I look like my mum, only my beard is shorter. (kidding mum)
          I'm sure there is someone out there who would like the way you look as a woman, but it still doesn't stop me for looking forward to Wednesday!
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          • Profile picture of the author KevL
            Originally Posted by Sillysoft View Post

            I'm sure there is someone out there who would like the way you look as a woman, but it still doesn't stop me for looking forward to Wednesday!
            Haha, good one!
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        • Profile picture of the author Amitywill
          To be honest I don't see why people are so obsessed with
          labeling what they do.

          Get over it. I couldn't care less what I'm labelled. As long
          as I'm making money ethically and not hurting anyone you
          can call me what you want.

          And the definition of an internet marketer is anyone who
          generates sales or actions over the internet.

          So yes someone who develops websites and sells them via
          the internet is still an internet marketer.
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    New title, "Beggar Looking for Bread ... lots of it."
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  • Profile picture of the author AlenGeorgeson
    Who cares how people call themselves? Gosh I don't understand why people even think about things like this. We are ALL on the Internet trying to make money. Who cares how and which methods we are using...Jeez!

    I kinda hate these "Don't call yourself..."; "Don't do this and that" threads. Mind your own business. Everyone does what he pleases and nobody can change that.

    Just my opinion guys.

    Cheers

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  • Profile picture of the author Devin2290
    First off, who cares about these labels and who uses them? Are you afraid it's giving you a bad rep or something? Don't worry about it...

    Second, I think I can disagree. Say my business is developing websites, and I find all my clients through internet methods like craigslist, paid ads, etc., and I help them set up a website and optimize it for growing their business. How is this not "internet marketing"? I'm finding my own business through the internet, and am helping others "market" themselves via the internet.

    Third off, again, who cares if web developers call themselves internet marketers...
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    I just checked and if anyone is interested....

    TheKingOfTheUnitedStates.com is available.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Well this thread has gone to hell in a handbag.
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    • Profile picture of the author magiclouie
      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      Well this thread has gone to hell in a handbag.
      There will always be 2 sides of the story, mate.

      Anyway, all of us are entitled to our own opinions.

      However, in your original thread if you put something like, this is just my opinion or something like that, it would surely make a difference. Another thing, you appear that you are lecturing the warriors without much enough basis. You should have at least define what is an IM'er and a Web developer with some links to support your definitions.

      On the other hand, I hear you. I got your point.

      Cheers,
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    • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
      Originally Posted by fin View Post

      JOHNNY! Y U NO LIKE WORDPRESS INSTALLERS
      Because they lay in bed all day and wear funny hats.
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  • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
    Does it really matter?

    Wouldnt this thread have been better suited on your blog?

    Garrie
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  • Profile picture of the author TopBackBuilder
    I don't think this really needs to be said... it's obvious that if your a web developer, that doesn't make you an internet marketer. There are a lot of WD's that are also IM's though...
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  • Profile picture of the author reimer
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    John you have balls!

    And your are right.

    You could also say: " DonĀ“t call yourself an internet marketer if you just sell WSOs"

    "I am a intenet marketing expert because I sell WSOs... " sorry but your are not an internet marketer you are just a seller.

    Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author Usmile
    indeed not all web designers are internet marketers but in fairness to those who do it both they can still call themselves as web designer at the same time marketer. I salute those people who do it both and for those people who claim themselves as one I suggest you should label yourself well.

    Have a great day everyone.
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