How to VASTLY increase your credibility on the Warrior Forum!

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I know, I know, this is very secret stuff and you're all very excited.

So allow me to waste no further time and unleash this amazing secret.

It begins with a few steps.


Step One

Get an avatar up. Doesn't matter who or what it is. I don't care whether it's a hippo scrubbing his underarms with Sanex, or a block of concrete.

Most spammers don't put up avatars. Most people who intend on sticking around usually do.

An avatar;get one.

Step Two

Make a signature. Again, doesn't matter what it is. Before I started advertising my services, I used to have motivational messages in there (What can I say? I love to get the best out of myself and others!)

Now, before you rush down the page to hit quote and make the comment that I am myself lacking a signature, that's because my website got attacked and is now being redesigned, and I'm putting a warrior for hire thread up.

Don't worry, I'm not the type to give out advice and not use it myself. What's that called again? Oh yeah, a hypocrite.

And finally...

Step Three

Give something back to the forum. I've seen countless threads, all with the same underlying message, and thus should all be titled "HELP ME!!!".

Everyone on this forum (well, the ones who actually try and don't moan/study endlessly/lurk) works hard, developing products, offering services and so on. What makes you think they have time to help you (the millionth person) to become master of the internet and make millions?

They're trying to do the same thing! A person's time is precious; instead of trying to be greedy and steal everyone's time, why not contribute to the forum, give something back and offer something; free material, an opinion, anything!

Just drop the attitude of take, take take. It won't help you, and you're like to receive an e-bitch slap as a result. Be a member of the community and give back, and people will be much more inclined to actually help you!




There ya go! Three solid tips for building your credibility on the Warrior Forum; follow these, and you can achieve WF greatness! :p



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  • Profile picture of the author harrydog
    Hi Ben
    would agree with you a certain extent.
    Step three is a little harsh. When someone new comes along at first all they have is questions, questions, questions as most of the time they haven't got a clue where to start and they don't think they have something to give back.

    Perhaps a huge time saver for us would be a very short introduction course on the Warrior Forum that every new member has do complete. This could cover things like:-

    1) Forum etiquette
    2) Creating you Avatar and signature
    3) (important one) How to search the forums - for most questions asked by newbies they have already been answered before and if they just did a proper search they would probably find the answer they are looking


    Could be a quick Video that they had to watch before even posting their first post.
    Just an idea
    cheers
    Mark
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    • Profile picture of the author DianaHeuser
      Originally Posted by harrydog View Post

      Hi Ben
      would agree with you a certain extent.
      Step three is a little harsh. When someone new comes along at first all they have is questions, questions, questions as most of the time they haven't got a clue where to start and they don't think they have something to give back.

      Perhaps a huge time saver for us would be a very short introduction course on the Warrior Forum that every new member has do complete. This could cover things like:-

      1) Forum etiquette
      2) Creating you Avatar and signature
      3) (important one) How to search the forums - for most questions asked by newbies they have already been answered before and if they just did a proper search they would probably find the answer they are looking


      Could be a quick Video that they had to watch before even posting their first post.
      Just an idea
      cheers
      Mark
      Mark,

      Most of those questions are answered in the 'stickies' above, which unfortunately most people don't read

      Di
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      • Profile picture of the author harrydog
        Originally Posted by DianaHeuser View Post

        Mark,

        Most of those questions are answered in the 'stickies' above, which unfortunately most people don't read

        Di
        Di
        you are correct but as you say people just dont read them, what I am suggesting is that before they are allowed to make their first post they have to watch the Video as part of the sign up process, like an induction.
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  • Harry, you make a good point.

    I suppose it just frustrates me to see the same post repeated by every person who joins. As you say, a short course in how to search the forums etc, would be beneficial to the forum!


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  • Profile picture of the author Danny Cutts
    Sweet I am not a spammer :-)

    Also make sure the advice you actually give is correct!!

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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Step Three

      Give something back to the forum. I've seen countless threads, all with the same underlying message, and thus should all be titled "HELP ME!!!".

      Everyone on this forum (well, the ones who actually try and don't moan/study endlessly/lurk) works hard, developing products, offering services and so on. What makes you think they have time to help you (the millionth person) to become master of the internet and make millions?

      They're trying to do the same thing! A person's time is precious; instead of trying to be greedy and steal everyone's time, why not contribute to the forum, give something back and offer something; free material, an opinion, anything!

      Just drop the attitude of take, take take. It won't help you, and you're like to receive an e-bitch slap as a result. Be a member of the community and give back, and people will be much more inclined to actually help you!
      If I may address a few of the points you make in your step 3.

      I tried to put myself in the mindset of being a complete newbie. If I were brand new and came to the Warrior Forum with anticipation and excitement because a friend recommended it to me, saying it was the most helpful IM community in existence, then I read number three, I would be totally deflated and frustrated!

      I would think how can I learn if I'm not allowed to ask questions? How can I offer help and tips if I don't know anything or have any experience?

      I agree that countless repeated questions can become annoying, but I would much rather answer a question I can help with or supply some links to on the subject as well as gently mentioning the search function, rather than see new members trying to offer something they have no knowledge in and either making a fool of themselves or giving generic one line answers.

      I think that it's important to remember some where back in time, we were a newbie too and if it hadn't been for helpful members answering questions and giving guidance, we perhaps wouldn't be where we are today.

      With all due respect, it's not fair to ask newbies to offer help or opinions but at the same time tell them not to ask for any, IMHO.

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      • Profile picture of the author RHert
        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        Mark,

        If I may address a few of the points you make in your step 3.

        I tried to put myself in the mindset of being a complete newbie. If I were brand new and came to the Warrior Forum with anticipation and excitement because a friend recommended it to me, saying it was the most helpful IM community in existence, then I read number three, I would be totally deflated and frustrated!

        I would think how can I learn if I'm not allowed to ask questions? How can I offer help and tips if I don't know anything or have any experience?

        I agree that countless repeated questions can become annoying, but I would much rather answer a question I can help with or supply some links to on the subject as well as gently mentioning the search function, rather than see new members trying to offer something they have no knowledge in and either making a fool of themselves or giving generic one line answers.

        I think that it's important to remember some where back in time, we were a newbie too and if it hadn't been for helpful members answering questions and giving guidance, we perhaps wouldn't be where we are today.

        With all due respect, it's not fair to ask newbies to offer help or opinions but at the same time tell them not to ask for any, IMHO.

        Terra
        When I was a newbie, I stalked the threads. Yes, stalked. So many people offer helpful amazing advice and hints without any questions actually being asked. If newbies take the time to look through the threads even the most recent ones they will often find things that will spread light on their situation and help them know what they need to do next.

        I agree they should ask questions if they can't find the answer, but learning to search the threads would be a very helpful tool. I don't know how many times I've used that feature, and still use that feature when I'm trying to learn a new aspect of something, and I am no longer a newbie.
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          When I was a newbie, I stalked the threads. Yes, stalked. So many people offer helpful amazing advice and hints without any questions actually being asked. If newbies take the time to look through the threads even the most recent ones they will often find things that will spread light on their situation and help them know what they need to do next.

          I agree they should ask questions if they can't find the answer, but learning to search the threads would be a very helpful tool. I don't know how many times I've used that feature, and still use that feature when I'm trying to learn a new aspect of something, and I am no longer a newbie.
          I agree with you regarding reading threads and utilizing the search function, I also use it as well.

          However, some newbies are so excited about entering the IM journey, that they do ask a question that is burning inside of them straightway and that is where the opportunity arises to gently suggest the search option to them along with offering a helpful tip to their question.

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  • Profile picture of the author Mahara Adhe
    Pfft...I think that lurkers are cool...

    I agree with Miss on the 3rd step. If my grandmother decided to join this forum, she probably would have good intentions, but wouldn't know to set up an avatar or to have a signature. Also, she would probably post a thread asking "How the hell do I use this thing? And why does it cost to ask questions here?" in the WSO section (yes, I know it wouldn't actually get approved =P). Perhaps, it would help to have a "New Members/Quickstart" posting area that they were restricted to until they hit some sort of post quota like at a few other forums. I've seen a few forums use this as a way to ramp up people.
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    Good advice.

    Yeah,

    I would also say that one should not come to the forum, get their sig up, and post comments like "I agree" " Good stuff" "Very interesting".

    When you see people post these kinds of posts, you know they don't care to add value to the forum and only want to get their sig file and website in front of as many people as possible. That is a NO NO.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fun to Write
    I think it's fine to ask questions...that's how you learn. Credibility is something that is built over time by participating in the discussions. If you are a newbie, jump in and get your feet wet by adding your 2 cents. Everyone has an opinion about something.
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  • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
    Originally Posted by CharismaticMannequin View Post

    I know, I know, this is very secret stuff and you're all very excited.
    It is ? and we Are ?

    Step One
    Most spammers don't put up avatars. Most people who intend on sticking around usually do.
    bugger got that one wrong, Maybe I need to get me one of those clicky here profile pics and load my profile with offers that should cuts down on the spammin sides of things ? will try harder next time
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
    Originally Posted by CharismaticMannequin View Post


    Get an avatar up. Doesn't matter who or what it is.
    Unless it's a famous person who can be identified with a glance or maybe something humorous, using someones identity doesn't really say a lot about a person though I'm sure you weren't suggesting to use a random.

    I had the displeasure of meeting someone online who boasted "I use the image of a 20 year old girl. It doesn't matter. She'll never know since she died 20 years ago [smiley face]" - posted by a man in his 40's as he described how he attracted people to his YT channel. I had to edge away from the computer after readng that.

    Having an avatar otherwise does make a person more interesting and it's right to suggest that most spammers don't bother to upload one (assuming they are human). They are usually too busy asking "do you like cake" / "do you like to have eyes" etc...


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    • Profile picture of the author georgedinmore
      Maybe i should look into getting an Avatar. After all, people are missing out on my good looks
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    I actually joined here to get and learn great inputs and ideas from the experts. And no doubt i am in the right place. Thanks for the remarkable post!
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
    Credibility should also come from what you've accomplished and, if you're teaching Internet Marketing, what your students have accomplished. However, credibility here often comes from how active you are and how many posts you have. In reality, anyone can have a strong presence on this forum but that doesn't equate to real world success. While some of the authority figures here are very successful, most of them need to post less and take their own advice more often. Unfortunately these days it seems more than ever like this place is predominately fake it until you make it with the broke leading the blind.

    Sorry if I'm ruffling a few feathers, but that's just my opinion.
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    • Profile picture of the author harrydog
      Re my suggestion having an induction course its already there in the sticky posts, having gone back and had a look I now remember watching these.
      Perhaps they should be made mandatory viewing for all new members

      heres the link
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      • Profile picture of the author Skydilly
        hello, folks. i'm a newbie and, yes, i've been lurking because i'm trying to figure out where i should start, there's so much information. and def don't want to comment on posts because i don't have much knowledge to offer as of yet.

        anyway, the link that harrydog posted seems like a great place to start. thanks for the link!
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        • Profile picture of the author Gijsbertus
          Originally Posted by Skydilly View Post

          hello, folks. i'm a newbie and, yes, i've been lurking because i'm trying to figure out where i should start, there's so much information. and def don't want to comment on posts because i don't have much knowledge to offer as of yet.

          anyway, the link that harrydog posted seems like a great place to start. thanks for the link!
          In the meantime ( I refreshed the page) you have set up an avatar way to go and welcome on the WF.
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  • Profile picture of the author TestiVar
    I must be a spammer. No avatar. No signature.

    You forgot the most important "tip" for a reputation on Warrior Forum. You have to ignore the truth. It is actually rule #1. You can't ever point out scamming, spamming, law breaking, unethical behavior or anything else unsavory. It is the most important rule on the forum -- protect the scum bags at all costs.

    Be sure to speak only the hive mind and never say anything controversial from the hive mind's perspective -- even if it is an extremely well-known axiom for the entire rest of the real business world -- even if you have 30 years of experience that tells you that the Warrior Forum hive mind is wrong over 90% of the time.

    Just repeat the same old crap that everyone else is saying if you want a good reputation here.

    Of course a good reputation here is a horrible reputation out there in the real business world, so you will have to choose. Spamming and scamming -- or legitimate business activities. Warrior or Chief.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      Originally Posted by TestiVar View Post

      I must be a spammer. No avatar. No signature.

      You forgot the most important "tip" for a reputation on Warrior Forum. You have to ignore the truth. It is actually rule #1. You can't ever point out scamming, spamming, law breaking, unethical behavior or anything else unsavory. It is the most important rule on the forum -- protect the scum bags at all costs.

      Be sure to speak only the hive mind and never say anything controversial from the hive mind's perspective -- even if it is an extremely well-known axiom for the entire rest of the real business world -- even if you have 30 years of experience that tells you that the Warrior Forum hive mind is wrong over 90% of the time.

      Just repeat the same old crap that everyone else is saying if you want a good reputation here.

      Of course a good reputation here is a horrible reputation out there in the real business world, so you will have to choose. Spamming and scamming -- or legitimate business activities. Warrior or Chief.
      Let me address some of the misconceptions in the above diatribe...

      While there is no doubt a faction here that could wear the label you just branded them with, there is also a huge number of real people here, with real businesses who don't subscribe to what you just accused them of participating in.

      All this "get an avatar - get a sig - increase your credibility" talk sadly misses one of the real reasons people have credibility on this board. And that is "networking".

      Here's the deal...many of the usernames you see on this forum are nameless entities who have no interaction with other Warriors outside of this forum. To them, this place is the 'do all/end all' of internet marketing. They have no idea that this forum is just "a good place to make an introduction" and that the internet marketing universe is HUGE compared to this forum.

      So they come here and drop bombs on gurus thinking it makes them look like they know what's up, they bitch and complain about this autoresponder or that payment processor, and a host of other useless tripe.

      Meanwhile, business is going on as usual for many of the Warriors here who have actual working business models and don't have time for that nonsense.

      The point being...labeling the entire userbase here on the Warrior Forum as a a group of folks who are just out to "protect the scum bags at all costs" shows an incredible lack of understanding of what this forum is really about.

      Here's a little tip...a lot of us on the forum know and interact with others here completely outside the scope of this forum. That could be on Skype groups, at seminars, online talk shows, and host of other venues where people get to interact one-on one or with others present and they "keep it real" because they understand the power of networking.

      So the bottom line is...

      Your post count means didly squat. Same with your avatar, and the same with your sig. Will those things help give you credibility? Yes with some. Not so much with others who are the real players that can help your business succeed if you're fortunate enough to be able to network with them..

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  • Profile picture of the author Damien Roche
    To me, avatars can add to your credibility. Signatures, I feel, do many people no justice. Especially when they say something like "earn 10k/month..blah blah" under a post which is pleading for help to make sense of things. This goes along the same lines as post count where a higher count does not necessarily mean you're more successful or experienced. They are all appearances.

    Using your real name, being yourself, saying what you feel and trying to add value to the forum is a great way to build credibility. Your opinions, insight, knowledge and intelligence say far more than your avatar, sig or post count.
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  • If anything, a high post count from supposed experts, suggests to me that that 'expert' doesn't have a whole lot of work to do, and so tries to make themselves LOOK like experts, by answering every thread posted under the sun.

    What makes me take someone seriously is valid proof that they actually know what the heck they're on about.

    In regards to Step three, I'm not suggesting new people simply refrain from posting. What I'm saying is this: Instead of posting the 3 billionth thread asking "How do I make money online?", why not search for it, using the search function?

    I like Harry/Mark's idea; get an intro to the forum, teaching them how to use the damn thing. Less spam and same questions getting answered over and over, and more useful posts.

    That's all I'm really asking for: Less crap, more quality.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Sneen
    Hi Charismatic, I am the opposite of you; in that I am working on getting my avatar sized but have my signature is intact.

    The attitude of take, take, take is certainly counterproductive. Even as we give, karma dictates that we get in return. Several times, I have had an aha moment as I added my comment.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Patrick
    Originally Posted by CharismaticMannequin View Post

    Now, before you rush down the page to hit quote and make the comment that I am myself lacking a signature, that's because my website got attacked and is now being redesigned,
    Oh, so that means your signature has to be empty, with no motivational quote or anything? :p

    Originally Posted by CharismaticMannequin View Post

    and I'm putting a warrior for hire thread up.
    Pffft. And that means you shouldn't have a signature - is that what you're saying? Now I'm starting to get angry.

    Jokes aside, I didn't really understand what you meant by these parts.
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  • Profile picture of the author Student X
    LOL @ the OP.

    I will have you know, as an established guru on this very forum (back in the day)...

    To establish forum credability you must:

    1) Be a War Room member. -* How can you make any claims to money making if you can not afford a measly $40 sign up.

    2) Get loads of "thank you's" -* These, on this forum, seem to come in number exclusively from the Private Forum. Warrior's share thier products and services for free in side the private forum and get many thank you's for doing so. Often they give away for free the very WSO's they are currently selling.

    3) Have a normal or sensible username, profile picture, and a little profile information completed.

    4) WSO sales and Warrior testimonials -* nothing sells like social proof, especially on this forum. There is no shortcut to this however, the quickest way is to be genuine, create a good product or service, and then discount it for the sake of getting an honest review.


    Other than that my only advice is to be genuine! If you are a good writer but a rubbish designer, there is no sense in not asking questions under the delusion that it makes you look like your not a guru.

    Note about my "guru" statement: Yes, I am one of the most well known guru's from old times - those who know me, if they are still about, should know my writing style, but I'm keeping my mouth shut and just helping out a little here and there.

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  • Profile picture of the author Student X
    IHMO - Bill, excellent post, it made my day. Good to see some people talking sense.

    I almost feel to take back my own post in which I simply informed the Warrior's how to build what 'they' believe to be forum credability - and - in all honesty: it means a lot more than diddly squat.

    I ran experiments myself on this board a few years back, trying to establish if post count and thank you's increased WSO sales conversions: they DID.

    However this could be down to a whole number of factors other than the simple number on the profile.

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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by Student X View Post


      I ran experiments myself on this board a few years back, trying to establish if post count and thank you's increased WSO sales conversions: they DID.
      I have seen on rare occasion someone come into this forum with very few posts and run a highly successful WSO. I think that boils down more to the demand for the product and the potential buyer sensing from the sales copy that the vendor knows what he is doing.

      You can have all the posts and thanks in the world - but if your offer is crap I don't think it's going to make much difference in the end.

      My guess from your experiment would be that this works for a different reasons than you might be thinking. It's not enough to just have those numbers appear in the WSO forum next to your name. Someone who posts a lot is also (most likely) going to have a sig file pointing to their offer - thus pushing more traffic. And someone who is getting a lot of thanks could very well be getting those by replying in threads which suit their area of expertise - and guess what? Their sig file is there too and they are not just directing traffic but directing targeted traffic.

      In most cases, those numbers are earned. But I am guilty myself of some thanks given based on personality and not expertise - and that is why I can't say all cases.
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  • Profile picture of the author Skydilly
    Thank you Gijsbertus! I'll give you proper thanks when I'm allowed. As of now there is no option for me to thank you.
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    • Profile picture of the author moneyroom
      For the most part all good comments.

      The one thing that I've seen over the years that frustrates me is this.

      Once some people get a little success under their belts they become the expert.
      They're not. They're just someone who has had a little success.

      But... real people who share real, useful information and echo the same are the ones
      that do the most good here.

      I love original thoughts and new ideas, but if people don't realize what the basics
      are and how they work, nothing else does.

      Especially newbies. They can have all kinds of things tossed at them, but they won't
      be successful and actually make any money until they learn those.
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      • Profile picture of the author StunningWarrior
        Originally Posted by Student X View Post

        I ran experiments myself on this board a few years back, trying to establish if post count and thank you's increased WSO sales conversions: they DID.
        Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

        I have seen on rare occasion someone come into this forum with very few posts and run a highly successful WSO. I think that boils down more to the demand for the product and the potential buyer sensing from the sales copy that the vendor knows what he is doing.
        I recently wanted to promote a WSO. The author rejected me because "you are not active enough on the forum."

        Well what that person does not know is that I have been in this game for many years but have not hung around the WF, and so have a lot more experience than the people he was approving because they have a few hundred posts. And I have now become active here but obviously it will take time before my post count is in the hundreds unless I make pointless and contentless posts.

        Of course this is just a sample of one so not statistically significant !!!
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        • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
          Originally Posted by StunningWarrior View Post

          I recently wanted to promote a WSO. The author rejected me because "you are not active enough on the forum."

          Well what that person does not know is that I have been in this game for many years but have not hung around the WF, and so have a lot more experience than the people he was approving because they have a few hundred posts. And I have now become active here but obviously it will take time before my post count is in the hundreds unless I make pointless and contentless posts.

          Of course this is just a sample of one so not statistically significant !!!
          I had a WSO where some people with no posts wanted to promote. I asked them to tell me how they planned on promoting. None of them came back to me with links to sites or anything.

          I think if you want to promote for someone and don't have a presence here on this forum, you bare the burden of proof that you are wanting to help the vendor and you need to show them how you can do that for them. Do this in your initial contact with them and I bet you'll get more takers.
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