Salesmanship 101 from a 16 Year Old

by ShayB
31 replies
A simple lesson, but an important one.

I was talking to Hubs about hiring someone to rake up the pine straw and leaves out in the front yard. I was telling him what the price was that was quoted, and I mentioned that it would take a little while for them to get out to do the yard (about a week).

My 16-year-old son was listening. He chimed in and offered to do the job for me. I jokingly asked him how much he would charge.

He quoted the same price as what I'd said the company quoted.

I gave him a look that was skeptical to say the least.

I fully expected him to come down on his price, but he didn't.

He just said two things.

1. He said that he could get started right away, and that the job would be done by sundown.

2. He also pointed out that he wasn't going to have trucks or equipment around that could possibly ding/dirty up my car. (This has happened when someone else came and did some repair work not long ago.)

Needless to say, he got the job. He did an outstanding job, I might add.

It's tempting to use price as your selling point. Don't. There will always be someone cheaper.

Find something else as your unique selling point, the reason why someone should buy from you.

Is it quality?

Fast turnaround time?

Do you explain techy things in layman's terms?

Your sense of humor?

Or a million other things...

1. Set your prices.

2. Stick to them.

3. Justify them with your unique selling point.
#101 #marketing #positioning #pricing #salesmanship #year
  • Profile picture of the author Jarrett
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    WOW. awesome stuff give your son a high 5 for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author kalens99
    Agreed. Also, charging a low price also makes people afraid that they are going to get poor quality results. When one person charges $15 an hour and another charges $50, I assume that whoever charges $50 is worth a lot more. I would justify any price by demonstrating it is worth every penny you put into it. Your son is a smart guy!
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  • Profile picture of the author apurvmat
    Your son is going to become a very wealthy person. Seriously.
    Cheers!
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  • Profile picture of the author NovusInvi
    It really is good to get back to the basics sometimes.

    It's true, a price is just a number. People are always willing to pay, it is what you offer, that really gets the deal. The most simplest ways of thinking should be applied in most cases of Internet Marketing.

    Thanks for bringing us all back to the basics for a change!
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  • That's what I'm talking about! People don't buy price they buy people! And that fact that you can get the job done! Quality and results!
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  • Profile picture of the author Victoralexon
    I can really relate to this as a freelance writer. It is impossible for me to compete on price because of the vast number of article writers who charge $1 per article.

    Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by ShayRockhold View Post

    It's tempting to use price as your selling point. Don't. There will always be someone cheaper.
    This.

    Exactly. And especially online, in internet marketing of all kinds, because you're competing - whether you like it or not - with people in countries where the price of your cappuccino in Starbuck's is the fee for their full day's work. And there's nothing wrong with that, and they may have all your skills, too. And good luck to them. But if you're trying to compete on price, you're the one making the mistake.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    I actually told one of my clients 3 weeks ago, to increase prices and benefits.

    He thought it was stupid, but he sent me an email and a bottle of red as his profits have almost doubled in the last week he said.

    So there you go. Proof is in the pudding and testing too.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by celente View Post

      he sent me an email and a bottle of red as his profits have almost doubled in the last week he said.

      So there you go. Proof is in the pudding and testing too.
      I'm not trying to criticise your clients, but if it's going to accompany the pudding, a nice bottle of white might have been more appropriate? I'm just saying ...
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  • Profile picture of the author Sillysoft
    Wow, my mom would just make me do it, no money involved.
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  • Profile picture of the author obin94
    This is very true, your son is very smart!
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    • Profile picture of the author ShayB
      Thanks for the input, everyone.

      My kiddos amaze me all the time with their insights. They are very smart kiddos.

      Simple lesson, but very powerful.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    New dog got old tricks. Sounds like an internet marketer in the making.
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  • Profile picture of the author eldudebros
    It is great that you let your son do that job.
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  • Profile picture of the author paul_1
    Life is all about salesmanship...
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    When I was 16, I offered to work at a real estate office doing some computer work for $10 an hour.

    The owner said he couldn't just hire some kid from down the street... but he could hire the company started by the kid down the street.

    I got on a bus. I went downtown, where I inquired at the county clerk's office about whether I had to be 18 to start a business. After about 45 minutes research, they concluded that oddly enough I did not.

    So I filled out some forms, handed over some money ($20 if I remember right), and they printed me out a business licence. I got back on the bus and went back to the real estate office, presenting the new licence to the owner.

    He beamed at me. "So that's $10 an hour, right?"

    I said "No, $20 an hour. But I think there's a kid down the street who charges $10 an hour."

    Somehow, I don't think I've ever been as smart as I was at sixteen since.
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    • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      When I was 16, I offered to work at a real estate office doing some computer work for $10 an hour.

      The owner said he couldn't just hire some kid from down the street... but he could hire the company started by the kid down the street.

      I got on a bus. I went downtown, where I inquired at the county clerk's office about whether I had to be 18 to start a business. After about 45 minutes research, they concluded that oddly enough I did not.

      So I filled out some forms, handed over some money ($20 if I remember right), and they printed me out a business licence. I got back on the bus and went back to the real estate office, presenting the new licence to the owner.

      He beamed at me. "So that's $10 an hour, right?"

      I said "No, $20 an hour. But I think there's a kid down the street who charges $10 an hour."

      Somehow, I don't think I've ever been as smart as I was at sixteen since.
      That's a great story. I love it.

      Will
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      • Profile picture of the author REHughes
        Shay,

        That's an excellent story about your son. That just goes to show what they can accomplish when they set their mind to something, especially in this age of technology that we have presented them with.
        I loved the part where he "showed you the benefits" about protecting your car from gravel and stuff.
        That knocked it out of the park.

        Robert
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  • Profile picture of the author Charlotte Jay
    CDarklock, I know exactly what you mean. When I was sixteen I got a prize for Business Enterpreneur of the Year. I raised a stupid amount of money for my school's sister school in Tanzania. I offered a service and it was killer. I even kept the newspaper clipping with all the typos haha The sad thing is I can't remember what I did. I've been kicking myself for years over not being able to remember it. Argh.
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  • Profile picture of the author TopBackBuilder
    You don't think that the fact that he was your son was a leverage point?

    I've always believed in giving the customer the better end of the deal, especially in my market of selling air
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    • Profile picture of the author ShayB
      Originally Posted by REHughes View Post

      Shay,

      That's an excellent story about your son. That just goes to show what they can accomplish when they set their mind to something, especially in this age of technology that we have presented them with.
      I loved the part where he "showed you the benefits" about protecting your car from gravel and stuff.
      That knocked it out of the park.

      Robert
      That was something I was quite perturbed about when a repair guy had come to the house before! LOL

      The fact that my son used that as part of his argument was (IMHO) awesome.

      Originally Posted by TopBackBuilder View Post

      You don't think that the fact that he was your son was a leverage point?

      I've always believed in giving the customer the better end of the deal, especially in my market of selling air
      As people are fond of saying, "Business is business." Just because he was my son didn't mean I would have just given him the job.

      Maybe that sounds mean, but he's not a 5 year old. He's 16. He needs to learn that he needs to fight (for lack of a better word) for someone's business. Even mine. I already had chosen a company to do the work. He was trying to lure me away from them.

      Someone else suggested that I could have had him do it for free. Yes, I could have, but he does a lot of other stuff around the house as part of chores, and that kind of yard work isn't part of the norm. (I don't think this is the place for my childrearing philosophy. Maybe I can put that in the OT section. )

      I have entrepreneurial kids. (The older ones are, anyway.) I like to think my way of raising them has had a hand in creating that mindset.
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    Awesome story.

    And I bet you made sure he did a good job!
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    • Profile picture of the author ShayB
      Originally Posted by redicelander View Post

      Awesome story.

      And I bet you made sure he did a good job!
      LOL I did!

      But in all truth, he did his best right off the bat. He made his own self-imposed deadline, too.
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    • Profile picture of the author ShayB
      Originally Posted by TollFreeService View Post

      He should have started off higher. I'm sure he could've gotten a few extra bucks from ya
      SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

      Don't let him hear you!
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  • Profile picture of the author princecapri
    Clever kid.

    Freelancers that set their own price and stick to it often get clients justifying why the freelancer would be a good fit for the job, and not the other way round. It takes time, and knowing (personally) definitely helps - as it did in the case of your son. I am pretty sure (like someone else mentioned) that if it was some stranger on the street, you would rather go for the company at the same time.

    Still, I don't want to take away anything from your son - he has MAD skills as a negotiator Cool, calm and composed.
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    • Profile picture of the author harrydog
      Selling on price is the death nell of any business. In my bricks and mortar business people come into our market all the time and the first thing they do is sell cheap - guess what happens they disappear very quickly. I believe in a fair price for a fair job and if anybody ever asks for a discount I just so NO go elsewhere. People appreciate that any business needs to make a profit or whats the point. We are not charities.

      Now there is a difference in being cheap and being competitive.

      What your son did was classic. He demonstrated that his price was competitive but he added value - " Done today" - "No mess" etc

      We add value by including products and services which intrinsically cost us very little but have a perceived high value and we always sell packages not individual products. We can demonstrate that the package has a much greater value at a more competitive price than the individual products. If someone does insist on an individual product then thats fine as we have made even more margin but as we all know its much easier to sell more products to a current buyer than to get a new customer.

      Well done to your son it sounds like he has a great future as he has alreday grasped some fundamental principles of business.
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  • Profile picture of the author Yulia from DNP
    He sounds like a nice salesman to me , which is great )
    But seriously now, my mom would just go like: " clean the yard , you need to help around the house !" no hiring nothing...
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  • Profile picture of the author garakrace
    Sounds like time to get your son a computer. He might be pulling in success before you know it :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author reclark
    Shay, I've been reading your posts at 5bucks and on cookiejar. I'm so glad to find you here as well. Your son will be successful because he's watching you...his best teacher.
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    • Profile picture of the author ShayB
      Thanks for all the comments.

      I want to elaborate on my decision to hire my son, since it's come up a few times.

      I talk about business stuff all the time to my kids. I use terms like profits, commissions, upsells, ROI, etc.

      When we're out, I point out marketing messages. When the cashier suggests a bigger meal size or that you can buy one and get a second item half price, I point out what they're doing.

      The very first biz lesson I gave the kids was when they were fairly young.

      I bought one of the 10 pack of snack size candy bars. That was when you could get 10 in a pack for a dollar. (Now you get eight for $1.25, but that's another story...)

      I took the candy bars out of the package and set them out on the table. I asked if they thought that paying a quarter for each one would be fair. They said they thought that would be fine. I then explained that if you bought the whole pack, it would only cost you a dollar. However, if somebody only wanted one they would be happy to pay $.25 so that they could have one. If you sold all 10, you would have paid one dollar and you would have made $2.50.

      Best of all, everybody is happy. You made the investment to buy 10 of them. Your customers felt that $.25 for just getting one was fair. You make $.15 profit for each one you sell.

      I also explained commissions. If you buy candy bars for $.10 apiece, and you pay somebody five cents apiece when they sell one for you, you still make $.10 profit even after paying your salesperson.

      It's one of the simplest explanations that I have found when explaining business to small kids. It's using a product that they understand, it's a very simple explanation because they've all seen places where you could buy individual pieces of candy for a quarter, and they get to eat the demonstration pieces after you explain it.

      My parents never talked to me about money. They never knew anything about business. Consequently, it took a while working in businesses and managing businesses to learn stuff. There was a huge learning curve.

      I sincerely hope that by talking to my kids about business and making it a natural part of their lives instead of just something that they study in a book once they get to college, they will naturally think about entrepreneurship.

      So far it seems to be doing well. They both have business things that they work on, and they both are developing a very business oriented mindset.

      They aren't going to learn this kind of thing in school. It's up to us to teach our kids about business.
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