Website not ending with .com

by ongur
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Hi everyone, I was hoping you could help me with the following issue I have:

Was wondering if it's possible to make money by owning a website that's not a .com one. A free website. Will it attract the same amount of people or will people be suspicious about it?

The reason I'm asking is because I think it's a good idea to try it out first, without spending money to it immediatly.

Thank you in advance.
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  • Profile picture of the author TestiVar
    You know the answer to your question.

    Do you buy from web-sites that don't end in .com?

    Have you ever heard of a dot net boom?

    Can you think of a single major player who made it without a dot com? OK; how about one that still doesn't own the dot com version of their domain?

    Not a single one.

    Do what successful online businesses do. Get the results they get.

    Ask a silly question on a forum and do what the answers say. Get the results those people get.
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    • Profile picture of the author payment proof
      I have .net and .info sites that make money.
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  • Profile picture of the author TerryL
    I don't use them myself, because I like to own and be in control of my web properties, but I see Blogger blogs ranking on page 1 of Google all the time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Xyn
    Well, Wikipedia seems to be a well-trusted website, and it is a .org.

    If you are trying to sell something, though, I'd stick with a .com.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jay Brass
    Originally Posted by ongur View Post

    Hi everyone, I was hoping you could help me with the following issue I have:

    Was wondering if it's possible to make money by owning a website that's not a .com one. A free website. Will it attract the same amount of people or will people be suspicious about it?

    The reason I'm asking is because I think it's a good idea to try it out first, without spending money to it immediatly.

    Thank you in advance.
    .com, .net, .org, and .info usually have the best chances of ranking and therefore making money if monetized properly. By "free website" as you've stated in the post, I think you mean a site such as examplewebsite.wordpress.com? If that's the case, it could rank, and I have seen them rank highly in the SERPs, but if you want a real site that will become credible, your best option is to get a .com domain.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Ngo
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    stop giving out wrong info, especially if you dont know what your on about. it doesnt matter what the TLD is, post panda is all about authority websites, meaning good content, good user experience etc etc. Google doesnt give preference to a website based on it's tld. want proof? type in spain, what do you get? spain.info, a PR7..........type in pr checker, what do you get prchecker.info, PR7...., notice the tld???.info!!! and both taking the top positions.

    i rest my case.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jay Brass
      Originally Posted by Michael Ngo View Post

      stop giving out wrong info, especially if you dont know what your on about. it doesnt matter what the TLD is, post panda is all about authority websites, meaning good content, good user experience etc etc. Google doesnt give preference to a website based on it's tld. want proof? type in spain, what do you get? spain.info, a PR7..........type in pr checker, what do you get prchecker.info, PR7...., notice the tld???.info!!! and both taking the top positions.

      i rest my case.
      This is true, but I think the original poster is saying would a site on a free blogging platform, such as wordpress.com or blogger.com, rank as high as a site that ends in .com. In that case, I have to say that the .com would probably be more reputable, although I have seen wordpress.com sites outrank normal sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author rashoman
      my experience tells me that from here on out its all about "user" experience, social interaction and providing the most "relevant" information for a given search term.

      having said that, i think its an intelligent approach to use a blogger blog for example to learn how to make blogs, backlink etc if you don't have money to spend. its not a good long term strategy because you might get a site generating money and then the site that is hosting your blog shuts down and poof, there goes your income. In the long run you want to be in control of your own business assets.
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      • Profile picture of the author dv8domainsDotCom
        Originally Posted by DavidRpnk View Post

        No, only TLD domains rank.
        No... pages rank, not "TLDs"... It doesn't matter what domain has the page. a TLD stands for "Top Level Domain", but has nothing to do with ranking "on the Top"... This simply means it is the highest in the hierarchy of domain structure: Basically, it is comprised of '.com, .net, .org, .co.uk (a ccTLD), .info' and the list goes on (really: this is a short list, these are not ALL the TLD's). There are TONS of TLD's, none of which have any specific advantage over the other (except in some instances of country codes helping with country-specific queries, in some cases). There are TOO many variables in the actual equation of where a page shows up for any given search term(s) for it to be this black and white. The reason that people get confused and think a 'dotCom is the best TLD' is simply a numbers game.

        Originally Posted by Michael Ngo View Post

        stop giving out wrong info, especially if you dont know what your on about. it doesnt matter what the TLD is, post panda is all about authority websites, meaning good content, good user experience etc etc. Google doesnt give preference to a website based on it's tld. want proof? type in spain, what do you get? spain.info, a PR7..........type in pr checker, what do you get prchecker.info, PR7...., notice the tld???.info!!! and both taking the top positions.

        i rest my case.
        QFE : Thank you Michael; .info is a great example of a TLD that is NOT a .COM; those sites get hella traffic too, I bet. And ALSO: they rank that well NOT because they are a .INFO, but because they are relevant sites with specific, helpful content about their subject matter, and (likely) TONS of back-links to help their rank (prchecker.info has a free website widget that includes a back-link to prchecker.info. Coincidence??? I think NOT!).

        Originally Posted by rashoman View Post

        my experience tells me that from here on out its all about "user" experience, social interaction and providing the most "relevant" information for a given search term.

        having said that, i think its an intelligent approach to use a blogger blog for example to learn how to make blogs, backlink etc if you don't have money to spend. its not a good long term strategy because you might get a site generating money and then the site that is hosting your blog shuts down and poof, there goes your income. In the long run you want to be in control of your own business assets.
        and again, Thank you Rashoman; seriously; if you lose one of those "free" sites, regardless of the reason, you do not have a leg to stand on. If it's one of your money site, not only do you lose the income going forward, BUT, you also lose ALL of the work that you've put into ranking to begin with.
        I use these free sites as part of my link network only. Good, quality info, relevant context back-links to mine and my client's sites (this tends to work rather well).

        All that said; I'd still recommend getting started with a .COM, due to familiarity alone (no other reason). This is your money site, make it good, attract visitors and prosper.
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    • Profile picture of the author MarkUSA
      Originally Posted by Michael Ngo View Post

      stop giving out wrong info, especially if you dont know what your on about. it doesnt matter what the TLD is, post panda is all about authority websites, meaning good content, good user experience etc etc. Google doesnt give preference to a website based on it's tld. want proof? type in spain, what do you get? spain.info, a PR7..........type in pr checker, what do you get prchecker.info, PR7...., notice the tld???.info!!! and both taking the top positions.

      i rest my case.
      I am a little confused: I understand Google likes good content and evaluates how long people stay on the site, but a .com domain with the exact same content will still rank better than a .info domain, ceteris paribus, all other things being equal... right? At least that's what my mentor is saying and he has been doing this for 15 years.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jay Brass
        Originally Posted by MarkUSA View Post

        I am a little confused: I understand Google likes good content and evaluates how long people stay on the site, but a .com domain with the exact same content will still rank better than a .info domain, ceteris paribus, all other things being equal... right? At least that's what my mentor is saying and he has been doing this for 15 years.
        This is true for the most part, but if the .info domain is three times as old as the .com, the .info would probably outrank it. Your mentor is correct though; .com's normally always outrank other TLDs.
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      • Profile picture of the author dv8domainsDotCom
        Originally Posted by MarkUSA View Post

        I am a little confused: I understand Google likes good content and evaluates how long people stay on the site, but a .com domain with the exact same content will still rank better than a .info domain, ceteris paribus, all other things being equal... right? At least that's what my mentor is saying and he has been doing this for 15 years.
        That is really not provable.
        Regardless of how long your mentor has been doing SEO, he doesn't know (with 100% certainty, I mean, KNOW; how google works). It's just not fair for anybody to say that they "know" something for a fact, when they don't.
        You just can't set up an experiment to test the many (unknown) variables that google uses to rank a page, in a way that will be fair to test .com/.info. You can setup similar sites, sure, but make them the same and 1 or the other will be assigned some sort of duplicate content filter (which does exist). Whether that will be the com/info or w/e is subject to speculation.
        So, if you make each site 100% unique to test the probability that the filter is impacting the results, then you've muddied up your test by introducing on-page SEO (also, largely speculative) as being a problematic variable. Maybe 1 site happens to have better content than the other, in the eyes of G?
        Who knows.
        Testing back-links, .info vs. .com ... again, lots of factors which you cannot fairly duplicate precisely in an experimental manner between those 2 extensions...
        I have ranked .orgs, .coms, .info, .net/etc, all for different things at different times, and have never had an 'easier' time ranking a .com than any of the others. One of my biggest ranking wins was a .org, while one of my decent money sites (amazon) was a .info.
        So, my friend, I do not disparage your mentor; nor do I present anything I say here as fact, either. That would not be fair, as I do not work at google either. This is based on my own process and experimentation, and some basic logic about what factors "could" affect results that are truly outside of our own personal knowledge. I only bring it up because a lot of people miss out on other factors by getting hyperfocused on 'dotcomdotcomdotcomdotcom'. I would pick an exact-match .info over a hyphenated dotcom anyday.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Ngo
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        Originally Posted by MarkUSA View Post

        I am a little confused: I understand Google likes good content and evaluates how long people stay on the site, but a .com domain with the exact same content will still rank better than a .info domain, ceteris paribus, all other things being equal... right? At least that's what my mentor is saying and he has been doing this for 15 years.
        mark, with all due respect to your mentor, that is wrong. there is alot of misconception in the IM world, article marketing/duplicate content being one of the big ones but this one is just as bad. The fact is Google DOES NOT give preference to a website regardless of it's TLD. It's whats in the website that matters, i.e. the content, the backlinking, the social influence and most importantly user experience.

        The answer to your question about whether a .com would rank over a .info if both had the same content is i dont know as i've never tried it, but bearing in mind that that would mean both sites having the same content then the google duplicate content filter(NOT PENALTY) would come into play and google will only show the most relevant site, whether that be .info or .com.

        but going back to the tld. if you have a look at prchecker.info, as you will see it is a PR7 and sits at number one position for the term PR CHECKER, you will also notice below it is a .net, .org then a .COM, so if google REALLY gave preference simply cos of it's tld don't you think the .COM would be above the .info?

        also you may have heard that EDU's/.GOVs being the holy grail of TLDs right?, so you would think that a .gov would rank over a .info right? well type in spain......granted a .com is ranking over the .info for this keyword, but look where the .gov is ranking, and not just any .gov but 2 main US .gov sites, STATE.GOV and CIA.GOV

        I am saying this from real experience, people mostly use .COM's cos they are the most common, and thats it, nothing else. Fact is most my sites are EMD .info's and it ranks over most the .com's in the niche's i target.

        anyway, as ive said, there is alot of misconceptions in the IM industry, partly due to all the hype created by people pushing their products and partly due to noobs being mis-informed and then passing that info around. If in doubt, get it straight from the horse's mouth, visit the the google support forums and you will find your answer there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by ongur View Post

    Was wondering if it's possible to make money by owning a website that's not a .com one. A free website.
    What do you mean by a "free website"?

    Are you asking about something like a .tk domain-name, or a subdomain somewhere like Blogger, Squidoo, or wherever?

    They're two very different things.

    (They're both pretty useless, and you should avoid both, but for completely different reasons and they are very different things).

    Whether something's going to be any good for you doesn't depend primarily on what you pay for it.

    Here's the point, Ongur: you can buy a .info domain-name for under $2 (that's a TLD), and get free hosting for it somewhere safe and reliable like Byethost or 000Webhost. If you do that, you don't have ranking problems, or subdomain problems, or terms of service/restriction problems!
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  • Profile picture of the author Cataclysm1987
    It doesn't make much difference, except if the owner of the subdomain you are working on decides to screw you, well...you are screwed.

    Whereas if you own the domain, you have more equity.
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  • Profile picture of the author nrmillions
    definitely go with a domain instead of a free url such as xxxxxxx@wordpress.com. for search rankings it might not matter as much which extension you choose but for overall credibility and branding of your site if you care about those for this project then definitely go with .com. i wouldnt want to walk around the streets of boston trying to advertise a triple hyphenated .info domain.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jay Brass
      Originally Posted by nrmillions View Post

      definitely go with a domain instead of a free url such as xxxxxxx@wordpress.com. for search rankings it might not matter as much which extension you choose but for overall credibility and branding of your site if you care about those for this project then definitely go with .com. i wouldnt want to walk around the streets of boston trying to advertise a triple hyphenated .info domain.
      That's exactly how I see it too. I think that's what he meant by "free website" but I'm still waiting for him to verify.
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  • Profile picture of the author notek
    nope, don't waste your time with a free domain name.
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  • Profile picture of the author icegin
    In the long run it's always best to invest a little extra and buy a domain name -- it gives your site more credibility and offers some protection from it being erased. There are stories of people who started earning money online by building free sites on places like blogspot, only to have it removed later.
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  • Profile picture of the author HypeText
    The question shouldnt be whether or not a site with a less used TLD will Rank...

    they will all rank with proper SEO...

    the question should be will the general consumer respond well to a "NON DOT COM" domain name.

    The answer to that would be a Definitive No...they wont.

    Overstock.com tried to change their name to O.co...and it flopped!

    They promptly changed back because it was hurting sales.
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