Facebook Timeline - Are URL's Forbidden in PERSONAL Covers? I can't find a TOS against it.

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Hi everyone!
I'd like to ask a question I've been unable to figure out myself over the past week.

There has been allot of buzz lately about the new Facebook Timeline for Fan Pages.

One thing that upsets most people, is the Facebook TOS rule that prohibits advertising in the Cover Area:

https://www.facebook.com/page_guidelines.php
https://www.facebook.com/help/?faq=276329115767498

Cover images must be at least 399 pixels wide and may not contain:
• Price or purchase information, such as "40% off" or "Download it at our website"
• Contact information, such as web address, email, mailing address or other information intended for your Page's About section
• References to user interface elements, such as Like or Share, or any other Facebook site features
• Calls to action, such as "Get it now" or "Tell your friends"

So it is pretty much clear that we can't place URLs and other Contact Information in the Cover Photo of Timeline Fan Pages.


Now, what I would like to know is: Do these Rules apply to Personal Timeline Profiles as well?

I searched, but could not find such a rule against normal Profile Covers.
https://www.facebook.com/help/timeline/cover

I see allot of people potentially spreading misinformation, saying that URLs are also forbidden from the Covers of Personal Timeline Profile.

Sorry if I am "blind", but I haven't see any proof stating those claims.


I have loads of Clients that buy my Facebook Cover designs daily, and some are weary about the Facebook TOS.

We agree about what is disallowed from Fan Pages, but I am not sure on what advice I should give to clients about the personal pages.


So here is a PERSONAL Facebook Cover for a Timeline Profile:



Is this breaking Facebook's TOS?

If there is a problem with this, I would probably contact each client to let them know and remove the infringing contact information, free of charge.


What about this case?:



The client only has their @Twitter info in the Cover.

Does this break Facebook's TOS, being a Personal Profile Cover?


What IF this were a Fan Page Cover?

Is @Twitter considered as "Contact information"?


All opinions are very welcomed!

But still, please if possible, try to provide factual information such as a URL to one of Facebook's Terms, that prohibit advertising in Personal Profile Covers.

Thanks in advance for your time and help!
-Andrew
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  • Profile picture of the author Rashell
    When you log into your personal profile and go to "add a cover" you'll see this pop up window

    Rashell
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    • Profile picture of the author icandi
      Originally Posted by Rashell View Post

      When you log into your personal profile and go to "add a cover" you'll see this pop up window

      Rashell
      I aways assumed that any reference to business websites, fanpages, YT channels etc would be considered in the eyes of FB to be "promotional" I've always erred on the side of caution and kept my personal page just that - Personal, cannot afford to risk losing the connected business fan pages because of a "grey area" FB won't enter into discussion, they will just make a decision and close the account, heard too many horror stories. Even people friending people that they don't know have been locked out of their account. For me just not worth the trouble, if I want to promote my fan pages, I log into the page, choose the post and send it to my own wall and any friends that I know are happy to see it there. I don't see why it's needed to have a business type cover image on a personal page, the people there know (or should know what you do) and how many are there anyhow. On mine there''s maybe 350 but on my fan pages on average between 1K-6K
      Maybe i'm missing something?
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      • Profile picture of the author DanVantari
        I just scanned this whole thread looking for anyone talking about whether FB is actually ENFORCING their rules or not.
        Has anyone even heard of FB cancelling an account, or sending a warning, because a page banner has too much text or contains a URL or a call to action?
        I would really like to know, and I have not heard anyone complaining of it having happened to them.

        I see pages that break these rule every time I use FB... :confused:

        Anyone have any experience with this ?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mo Goulet
      Originally Posted by Rashell View Post

      When you log into your personal profile and go to "add a cover" you'll see this pop up window

      Rashell
      This is for personal pages. Business pages are no longer restricted to the same guidelines as
      your personal timeline.
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      • Profile picture of the author Walter Parrish
        I think the best place to get real answers for this is FaceBook.

        This is why people should put in more work on their own sites and remember that facebook, twitter, google are really there to increase their own bottom line not yours.
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        • Profile picture of the author bengirwb
          Ho hum.
          Ho hum.
          zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Davis
    Hi Rashell,
    Thanks very much for the Screenshot.

    Are you able to give me the URL of the "Learn More" link?
    (I don't think I can get that Pop-up to appear anymore)

    That Pop-up says that we can't use the Cover area for "Banner ads or other promotion".
    I'm not quite sure how to interpret that exactly.


    Can you please give me your own opinion, on if adding a URL or @Twitter to the Cover of a Personal Profile is breaking their TOS?

    I think that Facebook should better explain this somewhere.

    Thanks.
    -Andrew
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  • Profile picture of the author specialized
    Here's a free $10 billion dollar idea for Facebook:

    They keep spending all this energy fighting off people's natural desires to promote their businesses... why don't they make a sister site called Bizbook and get it over with? Business stuff at Bizbook, social stuff at Facebook.

    Problem solved.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tadresources
      Originally Posted by specialized View Post

      Here's a free $10 billion dollar idea for Facebook:

      They keep spending all this energy fighting off people's natural desires to promote their businesses... why don't they make a sister site called Bizbook and get it over with? Business stuff at Bizbook, social stuff at Facebook.

      Problem solved.
      I think the regular Joe's we're trying to promote to would stay away from Bizbook the way people fast forward through commercials on TiVo, lol.
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    • Profile picture of the author butters
      Originally Posted by specialized View Post

      Here's a free $10 billion dollar idea for Facebook:

      They keep spending all this energy fighting off people's natural desires to promote their businesses... why don't they make a sister site called Bizbook and get it over with? Business stuff at Bizbook, social stuff at Facebook.

      Problem solved.
      Not really, your market is at Facebook, not bizbook...
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  • Profile picture of the author jenifer00
    No, the rules for Pages don't apply to Personal Timelines. As you've said, the Page rules are really specific. Facebook hasn't adopted or applied those rules to Personal Timelines - yet anyway. So, although it seems counter-intuitive, you can be more commercial on your personal page than you can on your business page. Go figure.

    Neither of your covers violate FB's TOS for personal profiles. Both would violate the TOS for pages. "Follow me" is certainly a call to action.
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  • Profile picture of the author dolcevita
    I have see that someone have put the homepage twitter etc. adress on the profile pic,is this alowed?
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  • Profile picture of the author WhiteDove
    Thanks to all above for this great information ...
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    Thanks information
    a am newbie
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  • Profile picture of the author danielmcclure
    Agreed, those covers are fine right now for your personal profile. My personal cover shot contains a URL whereas my page only contains imagery to meet the guidelines. There are many people utilising their personal profiles for promotional space. Standard no selling rules still apply to personal profiles too so you can't go all out in your personal cover shot(which you shouldn't be anyway!).

    From a personal perspective I mainly connect with real world friends and contacts on my personal account so using the cover to market my business is not my top priority as the overwhelming majority should already know what I do and how to contact me if needed. That said I can see the value in it as your cover shot is publicly viewable by default.
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  • Profile picture of the author copilu0
    This is the URL to the "Learn More" page from the Pop-Up window when you add a new cover photo
    https://www.facebook.com/help?page=271112912913813
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  • Profile picture of the author savvybizbuilder
    I even have my business logo on my Facebook timeline cover. And there's no problem about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author AmandaT
    I wonder if they will be cracking down on the businesses advertising by giving people cover images to use...

    I know the Hunger Games movie site has a cover image generator to advertise the movie... and Angry Birds Space has been spreading their cover image pretty widely which has the url to their site.
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  • Profile picture of the author dolcevita
    Again the question is this alowed?
    Code:
    https://www.facebook.com/profilecovers
    url etc on the profile pic?
    Any tos for the pic?
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    • Profile picture of the author Rashell
      Originally Posted by dolcevita View Post

      Again the question is this alowed?
      Code:
      https://www.facebook.com/profilecovers
      url etc on the profile pic?
      Any tos for the pic?

      Well, let's see...

      Is having a url in your profile pic an attempt at "promoting" your website/ your business, your cause?

      Are you trying to create a "commercial" engagement?

      When you attempt to add your cover photo are you getting the same prompt everyone else is getting?




      It seems to me some are trying to dismiss the obvious request, that you not use your personal profile cover as a banner ad, promotion or for commercial intent.

      Why?

      Because they don't want to acknowledge that faceBook owns the site and wants to keep certain parts free from constant commercial marketing (they haven't approved). Rather than using the space faceBook relegates for commercial intent, a space which comes with restrictions, they want to plaster ads anywhere they can in an attempt to pilfer faceBook's traffic.

      They want to be able to "cheat just a little" and call it something else. They want to make excuses and ignore the obvious. And they think if they can get a group of them together saying "everyone does it" it will make it OK.

      Here's a few more questions.

      1. If you had a website and created a set of guidelines and suggestions to help all users enjoy the site would you be pleased if someone came along and just plastered ads and crap all over it?

      2. What if you spent hundreds, thousands, millions on ad space to attract users then someone ignoring your guidelines and wanting to pilfer your traffic stuck ads all over it. Are you still a happy camper?

      Frankly I'm not sure how someone expects to disrespect a simple guideline along with the community it serves and still somehow gain respect for their business while doing it.

      Rashell
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      • Profile picture of the author dolcevita
        Originally Posted by Rashell View Post

        Well, let's see...

        Is having a url in your profile pic an attempt at "promoting" your website/ your business, your cause?

        Are you trying to create a "commercial" engagement?

        When you attempt to add your cover photo are you getting the same prompt everyone else is getting?




        It seems to me some are trying to dismiss the obvious request, that you not use your personal profile cover as a banner ad, promotion or for commercial intent.

        Why?

        Because they don't want to acknowledge that faceBook owns the site and wants to keep certain parts free from constant commercial marketing (they haven't approved). Rather than using the space faceBook relegates for commercial intent, a space which comes with restrictions, they want to plaster ads anywhere they can in an attempt to pilfer faceBook's traffic.

        They want to be able to "cheat just a little" and call it something else. They want to make excuses and ignore the obvious. And they think if they can get a group of them together saying "everyone does it" it will make it OK.

        Here's a few more questions.

        1. If you had a website and created a set of guidelines and suggestions to help all users enjoy the site would you be pleased if someone came along and just plastered ads and crap all over it?

        2. What if you spent hundreds, thousands, millions on ad space to attract users then someone ignoring your guidelines and wanting to pilfer your traffic stuck ads all over it. Are you still a happy camper?

        Frankly I'm not sure how someone expects to disrespect a simple guideline along with the community it serves and still somehow gain respect for their business while doing it.

        Rashell
        not my profile or fanpage.
        but more and more do it .
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Davis
    Thanks for all the Feedback guys!

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    @jenifer00:
    Thanks. I agree that there seems not to be a strict set of rules for Personal Covers.
    I do not honestly feel that those rules of Fan Page Covers apply also to Personal ones.

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    @copilu0:
    Thanks for the link!
    It leads to the same page I posted:
    https://www.facebook.com/help/timeline/cover

    Reading that page carefully, Facebook says nothing against Website links, Contact Information, etc... appearing in the Cover area for Personal Timeline Profiles.

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    @Rashell:
    Thanks again for sharing your opinions with us.

    The issue I see though, is that you are basing all your understanding of these "Rules" by this Screenshot Pop-up, which apparently appears only 1 time for a users account. (I think)

    (The first time the Choose a Cover Photo)

    There is no "Check this Box if you agree" either. So Facebook cannot take action against people based on some Temporary Pop-up like that.

    To be honest, I didn't even remember seeing that, even after you posted that screenshot.


    If Facebook made a TOS against URLs in Personal Covers, then I'm sure they would need to have that noted somewhere, like in the page of the "Learn More" link of your Screenshot.

    I'm looking closely at the words Facebook chooses to use:

    "This space isn't meant for..."
    "Please do not use..."


    I agree that Facebook wouldn't like us to advertise our URL in this area, but I do not think they are demanding that you can't.

    Otherwise, they could state:

    "You are not allowed to..." etc...


    It seems to me some are trying to dismiss the obvious request
    I know it can seem like that. But we are trying to figure out what is STRICTLY FORBIDDEN and not.

    One may choose to put a URL in their Cover, without promotional intentions.
    Facebook is a bit vague in regards to these guidelines.

    Again, if it was against Facebook's TOS, they I believe that they must state this in a Clearly Visible, Static place that people can find/access. Not so?

    I'm understanding what you are getting at, but I'm not sure if you are understanding what we are getting at here Rashell.



    If Facebook Facebook DID make a definite rule against URLs in Covers, then guess what?
    100 Million people will be breaking Facebook's TOS.

    myfbcovers.com
    addacover.com
    coverphotobook.com
    etc...

    All these sites offer free downloads of pre-made Facebook Cover Graphics, that Millions of Facebook users upload to their Timelines.

    ALL of these images are watermarked with URLs.

    What will Facebook do?
    Shut down 100 Million Profiles?

    Or if Facebook chooses to close my Profile because of a simple URL, can't I complain:
    "If you are going to close my Profile, are you going to take action against these people as well?: [100 links of profiles with URLs]


    As I see it, Facebook probably didn't put those harsh rules in the TOS for a reason.
    They know it will cause problems like what I just explained here.

    They can't rightfully enforce their rules on just some, and not all their members, if all of them are "Infringing" in the exact same way.

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    1. If you had a website and created a set of guidelines and suggestions to help all users enjoy the site would you be pleased if someone came along and just plastered ads and crap all over it?

    2. What if you spent hundreds, thousands, millions on ad space to attract users then someone ignoring your guidelines and wanting to pilfer your traffic stuck ads all over it. Are you still a happy camper?
    We aren't plastering Ads all over Facebook. We are making use of our "Personal Spaces".

    People always could have, always did, advertise links on Facebook.
    Nothing new, happens to any Social site.
    That is expected in personal profiles.

    It only becomes a problem when you start spamming in public areas, like Groups, Forums, Profiles of other people, etc...


    Facebook gave us the option to be more creative with the Cover area, so we are doing so.

    Some people consider their Website/Blog and important part of their life, their story, their purpose, so, why shouldn't they be able to share that their URLs in that Personal area?

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    I look forward to hearing more opinions.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rashell
      Andrew,

      You seem to be under the misguided notion that faceBook is somehow obligated to maintain your account. They are not.

      Just like with Google, Blogger, YouTube, Squidoo, MailChimp, Aweber, PayPal and others you're account can be closed at any moment. Sometimes because of obvious TOS violation. Sometimes because they just don't want to play with your kind of account anymore. (you can read many such "horror stories" on this board.)

      Originally Posted by Andrew Davis View Post

      The issue I see though, is that you are basing all your understanding of these "Rules" by this Screenshot Pop-up, which apparently appears only 1 time for a users account. (I think)
      The issue I see is that you're basing all your understanding on what you see everyone else doing while ignoring a request most people see as they're adding a cover photo to their personal profile. (I say most only b/c you claim you didn't and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt out of courtesy)

      Originally Posted by Andrew Davis View Post


      There is no "Check this Box if you agree" either. So Facebook cannot take action against people based on some Temporary Pop-up like that.
      Sure they can. It's their site. They are under no obligation to keep an account.

      Originally Posted by Andrew Davis View Post


      If Facebook made a TOS against URLs in Personal Covers, then I'm sure they would need to have that noted somewhere, like in the page of the "Learn More" link of your Screenshot.

      I'm looking closely at the words Facebook chooses to use:

      "This space isn't meant for..."
      "Please do not use..."


      I agree that Facebook wouldn't like us to advertise our URL in this area, but I do not think they are demanding that you can't.

      Otherwise, they could state:

      "You are not allowed to..." etc...
      It's sad that someone would have to be demanding or forceful in order for their request to be honored.

      Originally Posted by Andrew Davis View Post

      But we are trying to figure out what is STRICTLY FORBIDDEN and not.
      Unlike you I don't need to be strictly forbidden from doing something to honor someone with common courtesy and respect. If you ask me politely to so something I will do my best to honor your request. I don't want to disregard you to the point you feel you have to take forceful action against me.

      Not placing a URL in your faceBook personal cover is a small simple courtesy.

      Encouraging your clients not place URLs in their cover... professional courtesy.

      Originally Posted by Andrew Davis View Post

      One may choose to put a URL in their Cover, without promotional intentions.
      Facebook is a bit vague in regards to these guidelines.
      The two samples you've shown above are obviously promotional. They're specifically trying to make people aware of a website, book, business etc. That's promotional.

      Originally Posted by Andrew Davis View Post

      Again, if it was against Facebook's TOS, they I believe that they must state this in a Clearly Visible, Static place that people can find/access. Not so?
      Seriously? They don't have to do something just because you think they must.

      That's like telling me I must have green furniture in my house because you're coming over to visit.

      Originally Posted by Andrew Davis View Post

      I'm understanding what you are getting at, but I'm not sure if you are understanding what we are getting at here Rashell.
      I understand what you're getting at. You're trying to promote, through forum marketing, your timeline cover business.

      Also you want to validate that your business model is an acceptable one. But rather than validate it on faceBook through their help section you've come here. Why? Because the WF is the final say on faceBook policy?

      Originally Posted by Andrew Davis View Post

      If Facebook Facebook DID make a definite rule against URLs in Covers, then guess what?
      100 Million people will be breaking Facebook's TOS.

      myfbcovers.com
      addacover.com
      coverphotobook.com
      etc...

      All these sites offer free downloads of pre-made Facebook Cover Graphics, that Millions of Facebook users upload to their Timelines.

      ALL of these images are watermarked with URLs.

      What will Facebook do?
      Shut down 100 Million Profiles?
      So you think that's a big #. I think, it's just a fraction of their business.

      Also, faceBook may just delete the accounts. They may use other means to remedy the situation. We'll know when they do something about it. I'll hear it through the grapevine. Whereas, you'll probably experience it firsthand.

      Originally Posted by Andrew Davis View Post

      Or if Facebook chooses to close my Profile because of a simple URL, can't I complain:
      "If you are going to close my Profile, are you going to take action against these people as well?: [100 links of profiles with URLs]
      You can complain but that doesn't mean you'll get your account back should fB decide to close it.

      Originally Posted by Andrew Davis View Post

      As I see it, Facebook probably didn't put those harsh rules in the TOS for a reason.
      They know it will cause problems like what I just explained here.

      They can't rightfully enforce their rules on just some, and not all their members, if all of them are "Infringing" in the exact same way.
      Or maybe they realize only a small portion of their overall users will do it. Most people will honor a simple request. The others can be cleaned out once they finish an algorithm to deal with it. So perhaps one day you'll wake up and oops all your clients lost their faceBook account.

      Originally Posted by Andrew Davis View Post


      We aren't plastering Ads all over Facebook. We are making use of our "Personal Spaces".
      Those samples look like promotional ads to me.

      Originally Posted by Andrew Davis View Post


      People always could have, always did, advertise links on Facebook.
      Nothing new, happens to any Social site.
      ahhh, you're one of those " @$%! happens" folks.

      Originally Posted by Andrew Davis View Post


      That is expected in personal profiles.
      Sorry, but I don't expect a promotional ad when I visit my friend's profiles. And thankfully, they don't subject me to seeing such nonsense.

      Originally Posted by Andrew Davis View Post


      It only becomes a problem when you start spamming in public areas, like Groups, Forums, Profiles of other people, etc...
      No it becomes a problem when sites like your's start teaching others to disrespect a simple request. People consider your business an informed leader and follow.

      Then faceBook has to hire and train staff, create algorithms and somehow figure out how to get rid of the problem you helped create.

      Originally Posted by Andrew Davis View Post


      Facebook gave us the option to be more creative with the Cover area, so we are doing so.
      And they gave you guidelines along with it. Guidelines you want to ignore.

      Originally Posted by Andrew Davis View Post


      Some people consider their Website/Blog and important part of their life, their story, their purpose, so, why shouldn't they be able to share that their URLs in that Personal area?
      Then put it in their "about" section. There's a place for links, jobs, business ownership, etc. They don't have to plaster it, like a banner ad in their cover image.

      Rashell
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    When there were riots in London the other Summer, lots of people joined in because others were doing it. Just because everybody does it, it does not make it right.
    Sorry but if you had to ask the question in the first place, you already know you should not do it.
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    @Greenjackdavey:
    I don't know why you guys keep posting: "Just because everybody does it, it does not make it right"

    It isn't about if everyone is doing it or not.
    It's about if Facebook has a TOS against it or not.

    And as far as I see, they do not have anything written in their TOS against URLs in profiles.

    You guys just keep avoiding these points, and keep coming weak arguments.


    Sorry but if you had to ask the question in the first place, you already know you should not do it.
    Where is the logic in that statement?

    People only ask questions when they know something is wrong? :|


    When I asked the question, I saw no TOS or Notice about restrictions of URLs in personal Profiles.

    THEN Rashell pointed out this "Pop-up" to us.
    Which again, is a little bit vague to me.


    Like I said, I don't have to be promoting something to place a URL in my Facebook Cover.

    You guys keep avoiding these points without a proper answer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Davis
    Rashell,

    Your points seem all to be based around what is "Courtesy" or not.

    As I have said before, Facebook and any other business, do not "Encourage" people to promote things on their personal pages.

    Why? It does not profit Facebook.

    That doesn't mean that they are forbidden from it.

    If people were not allowed at all to promote themselves via their personal spaces, then that Social Network never would have become that successful or popular.

    It's a give and take situation.
    They want people to stay on their site and use it daily. Thus, they can't always enforce harsh rules.

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    Not placing a URL in your faceBook personal cover is a small simple courtesy.
    And where did Facebook say that you cannot place URLs or Contact information in Personal Profiles?

    They simply advised that the Cover is not meant for Advertising.

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    I understand what you're getting at. You're trying to promote, through forum marketing, your timeline cover business.
    Pretty weak attack at me Rashell.
    So you are accusing me here of creating this Topic just for self promotion.

    After this point, I cannot take you seriously.

    If I have a question about Facebook's TOS, why can't I ask it?
    Just because I am a provider of Facebook Covers?

    I did not post any URL of my Website or Service in my original Topic.
    The images were visual examples for people to better understand what I am talking about.

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    Also you want to validate that your business model is an acceptable one.
    No not really... There is nothing wrong with my business model.

    I am just the designer, I cannot be held responsible, if a Client asks me to design a Facebook Fan Page Cover containing URLs, while it is against Facebook's Policy.

    The most I can do, is advise my Clients of Facebook's warnings, and provide them with URLs and Quotes of Facebook's TOS.

    I don't want to be restricting the freedom of my Client (Personal Pages) without proper reason.
    Thus I asked these questions.

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    But rather than validate it on faceBook through their help section you've come here. Why? Because the WF is the final say on faceBook policy?
    I've asked many questions/queries to Facebook. I have never gotten a reply from Facebook staff. (EVER)

    What makes you think that I would get a proper reply there?
    The only people that tend to reply there, as far as I see, are normal everyday users.

    I am used to asking questions on the Warrior Forum. So why can't I ask here?

    I always see people asking questions about the TOS of many other services, like PayPal, Hostgator, eBay, etc...

    So why are you so offended by my questions?


    Also, don't you think that "Facebook" is a better place to advertise my "Facebook Cover Design Service"?

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    In any case, I will try asking my Questions to Facebook Staff/Help Center, and see if I can get solid answers there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Davis
    They keep spending all this energy fighting off people's natural desires to promote their businesses... why don't they make a sister site called Bizbook and get it over with? Business stuff at Bizbook, social stuff at Facebook.
    That would be great, but the only problem is that Facebook would sue them. (or try)

    The same way that they made lawsuits against Lamebook.com, Failbook.com, etc...

    Facebook isn't very friendly against potential competitors. They play very harsh.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    I can understand the OP's question. It seems as though the big traffic power players these days (google, facebook, bing, etc) like to beat around the bush when it comes to their TOS. I don't understand why they can't be more specific and transparent. If they don't want you to put a url in your cover image, then they should be specific. If they can put out millions of lines of specific code, then they can at-least hire someone to write a more clairvoyant TOS

    However, I do understand why they wouldn't want to have the URLs there. They sell advertising for that purpose.

    But it would be a waste not to take advantage of every advantage Facebook allows - and thus I fully understand the OPs question.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rashell
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      I can understand the OP's question. It seems as though the big traffic power players these days (google, facebook, bing, etc) like to beat around the bush when it comes to their TOS. I don't understand why they can't be more specific and transparent. If they don't want you to put a url in your cover image, then they should be specific. If they can put out millions of lines of specific code, then they can at-least hire someone to write a more clairvoyant TOS

      However, I do understand why they wouldn't want to have the URLs there. They sell advertising for that purpose.

      But it would be a waste not to take advantage of every advantage Facebook allows - and thus I fully understand the OPs question.
      Even still, policy can be as plain as the nose on your face and someone will try to figure out a way of getting around it.

      As an aside, I wonder how many people actually respond to a banner ad in a cover profile.

      If I were to see a cover like the ones above on one of my friend's profile I'd think "Wow, they really don't know how to separate their personal from professional life. It's all work no play." Especially the one that says "Father, Insurance ..." but no where do you see any of his kids.

      Maybe it's just me, but I don't see that as taken advantage of what faceBook allows. I don't even see it as "being social".

      Originally Posted by Andrew Davis View Post

      As I have said before, Facebook and any other business, do not "Encourage" people to promote things on their personal pages.

      Why?
      Because... wait for it... they give you business pages for that. As many as you want. For as many businesses as you want.

      Also, as owner of the site, faceBook has the right to make their business as profitable as they want. Users, on the other hand, don't have that same right.

      Still, faceBook has given us allowances to do just that. They allow personal pages as a courtesy. They allow business pages as a courtesy. They give guidelines as a courtesy. And they can delete any of those accounts or pages whenever they want.

      Originally Posted by Andrew Davis View Post

      If people were not allowed at all to promote themselves via their personal spaces, then that Social Network never would have become that successful or popular.
      Interesting conclusion. Based in researched facts or presumption?

      Originally Posted by Andrew Davis View Post

      They want people to stay on their site and use it daily.
      Exactly why they prefer not using personal profiles as a commercial/promotional ad space.

      Originally Posted by Andrew Davis View Post

      And where did Facebook say that you cannot place URLs or Contact information in Personal Profiles?

      They simply advised that the Cover is not meant for Advertising.
      That's been answered. It's just not one of the answers you seem to like.

      Originally Posted by Andrew Davis View Post

      Pretty weak attack at me Rashell.
      So you are accusing me here of creating this Topic just for self promotion.

      After this point, I cannot take you seriously.

      If I have a question about Facebook's TOS, why can't I ask it?
      Just because I am a provider of Facebook Covers?
      Hmm, I have no reason to "attack" you. Nor was I attempting to be accusatory. Your actions seemed commercially motivated considering:

      On March 8, 2012 at 8:22pm you created your fB Warriors for Hire ad (now linked to from your sig file image)

      Almost 5 hours later on March 9, 2012 at 1:37am you posted this question

      Another 5 hours later on March 9, 2012 at 6:53am you suggested one of your clients bump this thread stating:

      Originally Posted by Andrew Davis View Post

      One note though.
      In your order, you asked to have a URL to your website.

      This is forbidden in Facebook Fan pages, according to their TOS:

      I told the designer to make your Cover with and without the URL.

      I wrote a Topic yesterday, asking about if this rule applies also to Personal Facebook Profiles:
      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...s-against.html

      No replies yet.

      You may post a reply there if you want (Bump), to help us get some answers about this issue.
      But they weren't even buying a personal cover. So why ask them to bump a post that isn't a concern to them?

      The whole thread could have been avoided with a simple statement to potential clients such as "there's some concern of whether URLs should be included within personal cover photos. In order to best serve your needs we'll give you the option between url or none..."

      Obviously your designers could make it optional.

      So, why the back and forth?

      Originally Posted by Andrew Davis View Post

      I did not post any URL of my Website or Service in my original Topic.
      The images were visual examples for people to better understand what I am talking about.
      No, not a simple URL. But big, in your face, full width of the page, just a few lines above your signature visual representations of what you're talking about.

      Jeesh, you have smaller examples in your ad copy.

      Originally Posted by Andrew Davis View Post

      I've asked many questions/queries to Facebook. I have never gotten a reply from Facebook staff. (EVER)

      What makes you think that I would get a proper reply there?
      The only people that tend to reply there, as far as I see, are normal everyday users.
      You won't get a response from faceBook staff here, either. You're more likely to be seen by faceBook staff there, than here.

      What makes you think you'd get a proper reply here. The only people that tend to reply here, as far as I see, are normal everyday marketers.

      Originally Posted by Andrew Davis View Post

      I always see people asking questions about the TOS of many other services, like PayPal, Hostgator, eBay, etc...
      So do I. And I often see them referred back to the site in question.

      Originally Posted by Andrew Davis View Post

      So why are you so offended by my questions?
      I'm not.

      Originally Posted by Andrew Davis View Post

      Also, don't you think that "Facebook" is a better place to advertise my "Facebook Cover Design Service"?
      Not if you're trying to target an audience more likely to respond to an offer for "professional timeline covers".

      Rashell
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  • Profile picture of the author busygal21
    You can't have any url's, no call to action, no information about the company like phone number etc, no arrows, no contact info, no reference to encourage sharing or links. No animated gif's size needs to be 851ps x 315px

    Hope this helps

    Valerie
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    • Profile picture of the author Rashell
      Originally Posted by busygal21 View Post

      You can't have any url's, no call to action, no information about the company like phone number etc, no arrows, no contact info, no reference to encourage sharing or links. No animated gif's size needs to be 851ps x 315px

      Hope this helps

      Valerie
      Hi Valerie ,

      Those are the guidelines for new fan page covers.

      We're discussing the personal covers that have been out for quite some time. And the terms are not as strictly defined.

      Rashell
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  • Profile picture of the author neeraj86
    Facebook have changed look of brand pages as like profile.
    but i don't like this because i want along banner instead of cover photo .
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Davis
    @Rashell:
    Ok, so I just noticed that you have edited your post to include more rants against me.

    Originally Posted by Rashell

    Because... wait for it... they give you business pages for that. As many as you want. For as many businesses as you want.
    Doesn't matter.
    Someone doesn't need to have a "Business" just to share a URL about their "Family Blog".

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    Originally Posted by Rashell

    Interesting conclusion. Based in researched facts or presumption?
    Common sense, Observation, Facts, Statistics.

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    Originally Posted by Rashell

    That's been answered. It's just not one of the answers you seem to like.
    No, Facebook did not state that URLs are disallowed from Personal Covers.
    You are just interpreting their words as you like.

    Not only did those "rules" you posted not mention anything about URLs, but those rules are also not reachable/find-able by me and mostly everyone else.

    You can't seriously expect people to follow some "Invisible TOS" that you are trying to enforce.

    I'm not surprised if Facebook programmed that long ago and "forgot" about it or forgot to update it.

    The most recent and relevant literature would be that which is found in their TOS and Help pages.

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    Originally Posted by Rashell

    Hmm, I have no reason to "attack" you. Nor was I attempting to be accusatory. Your actions seemed commercially motivated considering:

    ... Almost 5 hours later on March 9, 2012 at 1:37am you posted this question
    So, what about it?

    I have not been a regular on WF for a long time. (At least before March)
    Therefore, I've been doing many actions on here simultaneously.

    Maybe you have the time to sit around these Forums all day, creeping around people's history and attacking them with non-sense, but I don't.

    When I visit here, most times I just do all the things I need to do shortly after the other. (Reading, Posting, Paying for Subscription, etc...)

    What's the big deal?


    Originally Posted by Andrew Davis

    You may post a reply there if you want (Bump), to help us get some answers about this issue.
    What's so bad about this?

    Both the Client and I had mutual concerns about having URL or not in Personal pages.
    So this Topic was posted to help me and anyone else with this question, to find a helpful answer.

    Isn't that common sense enough for you?

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    Originally Posted by Rashell

    But they weren't even buying a personal cover. So why ask them to bump a post that isn't a concern to them?
    Oh really!?
    And where did you get that information from?


    How did you know whether this Client was purchasing a personal cover or not?
    Where did he or I state that?

    Originally Posted by Andrew Davis

    This is forbidden in Facebook Fan pages, according to their TOS:
    ...

    I told the designer to make your Cover with and without the URL.
    ...

    I wrote a Topic yesterday, asking about if this rule applies also to Personal Facebook Profiles:
    I wrote these above things to the Client, because I was unsure if the Cover would be used on a Personal or Fan Page Timeline.

    So I just shared with him the information I know so far, concerning both.

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    Originally Posted by Rashell

    The whole thread could have been avoided with a simple statement to potential clients such as "there's some concern of whether URLs should be included within personal cover photos. In order to best serve your needs we'll give you the option between url or none..."

    Obviously your designers could make it optional.
    Yes, avoid the whole thread why? Because you don't like it?

    Many people are thankful for this useful thread, as we can discuss opinions and facts on this unclear matter.


    Do you think giving my Clients the both options are safer for them?

    LOL!!!


    I rather try to find the correct advice for them, rather than to let them pick and choose between using the URL in the Cover or not.

    Maybe you have no concerns about your Clients (if any), but I do care about my own.


    Not only that, it takes time to make a design with and without a URL, because the spatial arrangement of the elements in the design may need to be re-adjusted to suit both cases.

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    Originally Posted by Rashell

    No, not a simple URL. But big, in your face, full width of the page, just a few lines above your signature visual representations of what you're talking about.

    Jeesh, you have smaller examples in your ad copy.
    What about it?
    I just re-used (Pasted) the original Cover design images as examples.

    Why would I waste time re-sizing the Cover to make it very small, when I want people to clearly see what I am talking about.

    Those small examples in my "Warriors for Hire" page were specially made to fit neatly in 2 columns in that Topic.
    They were made at that size for a reason.

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    Originally Posted by Rashell

    You won't get a response from faceBook staff here, either. You're more likely to be seen by faceBook staff there, than here.

    What makes you think you'd get a proper reply here. The only people that tend to reply here, as far as I see, are normal everyday marketers.
    And I am glad for all the "sensible" replies I have gotten here so far.

    Allot better than getting no replies from Facebook Staff.


    I posted this topic on the official PayPal forums some weeks ago:
    https://www.paypal-community.com/t5/...443627#U443627

    How many replies? 0!


    Then I reposed something related to this, the following day on WF:
    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...idiculous.html

    What did I get?
    Lots of useful replies!

    So I'm not going to waste time listening to your silly advice, telling me not to post on WF when I have a legitimate question.

    WF works for me and for others, to get helpful answers and opinions.
    It doesn't matter one bit to me what you think about my topic.

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    Originally Posted by Rashell

    So do I. And I often see them referred back to the site in question.
    Being referred back to the site doesn't mean that they are going to get a better answer there.

    Did I get a better answer when I asked my question over at PayPal?

    Nope, I got no answer at all...

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    Originally Posted by Rashell

    Not if you're trying to target an audience more likely to respond to an offer for "professional timeline covers".
    So you think that more people on WF are interested in having a Facebook Fan Page Cover, compared to the users on Facebook?

    Probably only a small percentage of Warriors use Fan Pages for business.

    I'm sure it would gather allot more interested buyers if I asked this question in the right places on Facebook.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hrvoje Livnjak
    it sure breaks their policy.. that's why you have about area under your profile photo and top cover photo.. it clearly states no url's, emails, etc.. as they also force you that you go and buy advertising which is obvious : ) with that term
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    • Profile picture of the author mikeink
      There are different kinds of pages on facebook as far as I see.

      1- Personal page and a timeline that goes with it.
      2- A fanpage and timeline that goes with that one. There is no limit as to how many fanpages that your are allowed, as I understand it.

      1a- no URL's allowed in personal ones, unless it goes to a site that is not selling a product or service.
      2a- Fanpage allows you to have an URL on it. This is one witch is selling a product, or service.

      Now someone needs to find out from facebook re this issues.
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      Well let me see. OH yea need to start work on my ???????? again.
      Been working for slave wages to long.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jason_V
    Andrew,

    Instead of arguing with people on this Forum and trying to justify what is or isn't allowed, the simplest solution is right in front of you.

    Contact Facebook and ask if those covers are okay.

    Then you can post what they said here.
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  • Profile picture of the author wordpressmania
    People are using Facebook timeline just like banner ads and thought it is against facebook guideline but Facebook seems unaware about it. I personally feel that I will be using it as banner ad until I get a notice from Facebook
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