Ban PayPal from Warrior Forum?

I agree in principle Jason.

I would like to know how reputable other processors out there would be especially with dealing with international transactions. I have always used and trusted paypal for these reasons. They are however, battering certain Internet Marketers so something has to give.

Jason, I'm shocked that the Paypal guy specifically said that selling on the Warrior Forum provides no value and that's the reason Anthony's account was shut down.

Speechless.. but I see your point, now.

All WSO sellers need to listen to that MP3.

An alternative option could be to direct traffic to your sales page instead of including a buy button directly in the thread... Then all your sales are made from your own site and not from WF.

But that might screw up the conversion tracking, maybe.

I disagree completely. You're only going to get your PP banned if you break their TOS. Know your rights and do the homework. You won't have a problem. Banning it completely would prevent a number of sales opportunities. PP, whether you like it or not, is here to stay. People just need to learn how to avoid getting stung.

Being free of PayPal and the worries - that would be a sight to behold, fellow warriors.
It's probably my biggest wish for the Internet marketing community to get many more options. This is the future.

When I opened up a business account at my regular brick and mortar bank, I asked the lady while signing the paperwork: "By the way, since I do business on the Internet, all kinds of things can happen. In principle, I could suddenly get a million people on my website and make 5 or 6 figures. What happens if I suddenly got such a large amount of money flowing into my account? Does the bank get suspicious over such a thing? Do I get into trouble? Any consequences?"
Her reply was: "No, of course not. When we see this, we just give you a call and ask if this is normal, if what we are seeing is correct or a mistake. That's it."
I want an online payment processor like this!! They don't care at all! What a dream that would be!
It's business. We sell ebooks, video, software etc. here on WF, not drugs.

Allen

Banning PayPal won't solve the problem.

No other payment processor will be able to tolerate the high refund and chargeback rate either. The refund and chargeback rate is due to false claims and products that use or teach unethical practices including spamming blogs, spamming forums & forum profiles, buying and selling Google and Microsoft incentive coupons, trickery, scamming, spamming, etc.

The solution is to clean up the mess. Stop advocating all of the unethical practices throughout the Warrior Forum that leads people to think that it is acceptable to sell the crap that is sold on the WSO forum.

PayPal has been extremely lenient compared to any merchant account provider. They have a merchant account provider themselves though that they need to keep happy with a low chargeback rate. They can only do that if they buffer it with their own refund and dispute process AND if they ban customers who are engaged in shady business practices or do business where shady business practices are tolerated.

That is just reality.

So you're calling guys like E Brian Rose shady? He got banned by PayPal for teaching people how to make Google news type sites.

You guys who think you have to be doing something shady to get canned by PayPal need to quit lying to yourselves and wake up.

Did Anthony throw the whole Warrior Forum under the bus @ 12.40??? WTF?

If your business gets huge number of visitors and you deal in any type of finances you are going to get complaints

There are so many huge companies that use Paypal and millions who use it everyday with no problems.

It wont matter what payment processor you use you will have problems when people push the envelope.

In the end Paypal provides a service and if you don't like it go somewhere else but certainly don't through out the baby with the bathwater.

Q

Twice quoted for truth.

Interesting stuff.
Paypal has become such a major player in online purchasing and payments.
Its an interesting theory to ban it but there would have to be a very very strong competitor to go against it and at the moment I just don't think there is.

When Anthony threw Mike Lantz under the bus I thought it was a little dirty.

However, look at many of the WSOs of the Day and you'll see a bunch of these high risk offers Big Mike is talking about.

I have to admit that seeing WSO Pro pound the WSO of the Day everyday and seeing alot of these high risk offers makes you think that they're ok. They must be, right?

So I can somewhat see Anthony's point. It's almost encouraged to have a high risk offer, you see Warrior Forum approving them, you see Mike Lantz blasting them out in emails, so why not think they're acceptable with PayPal?

I'm not going to draw this little debate out. I'm just going to end with this... Find some solutions and do them please because all of our butts are on the line... And you only get a small fraction of the sales without PayPal when selling on Warrior Forum.

I for one enjoy making good money with PayPal and am only looking for solutions that will guide us to do the right thing.

Wow... very informative and interesting debate on this thread... enjoyed the read from all of you. I've been using Paypal for years with my sites, but then again, they're not actually sites related to selling IM products to IMers looking to learn the ropes. However, I wonder if Paypal would slam the hammer on my next project that relates to saving money (not thru IMing but in grocery shopping).

I actually wrote an ebook about my experiences and how I've saved money and I am moments away from launching my site, which I could probably say would be my first actual IM type site, versus the sites I have already which are merchant sites. However, I wonder if this would fall under "get rich quick" though it actually is catering to saving money. I'm not trying to make any claims to which I didn't do myself at all, but not sure if it falls into that category. I'm sorta afraid now to launch it after reading this thread as I don't want to have my Paypal stomped especially since my two merchant sites use it. I can understand where the grey area on some of the TOS may come to play which sparks debates like this... they give you a general definition, and then if they want to slam the gavel on you, they'll state that general definition and say that you broke their TOS. While I know they can't list every single type of IM site that is and is not allowed within their TOS, the definitions could be a bit more black and white, instead of a grey that they turn black or white depending on what they feel your site does.

Guess I'll try the ebook site anyway and hope for the best... maybe I won't get slammed since it relates to grocery shopping and not "Make $25,000 a Minute on ClickBank Today By Doing These 3 Things Now".

First, I am not for banning an ultra popular payment system like Paypal from the forum.

The underlying reason paypal is so popular among internet "businesses" is because there is almost no restrictions to get started. There is no cost, and very few initial checks on you or your business.

More traditional payment processors have lots of upfront checks before they will allow you to use their services. Many check your criminal background, your credit history, and many other factors. They ask lots upfront of questions about your business to decide right from the start if they want to take on you as a client based on lots of risk factors.

For paypal its almost the exact opposite. The only real upfront checks they do is to see that your not from an ultra-high risk country. If your not, you are free to go. They are almost totally reactive in how they manage risk unlike traditional merchant providers who are almost totally proactive from the start.

This low barrier of entry becomes a magnet for those folks with lower moral convictions. That is certainly not to say anyone who uses paypal is a scammer, but it is to say that a fairly big percentage of scammers use paypal. That fact is beginning to be noticed by paypal more and more, so they are adapting to it as any business should.

As for another payment processor alternative. You are either going to need to raise the stakes for all...such as everyone getting a real merchant account. This would instantly drive thousands out of the selling marketplace. Not necessarily a bad thing, but definitely a big thing.

or you would have to find another processor that has a very low barrier of entry and is willing to take on the inherent risks that come with the MMO and IM industries. Truthfully, there is not another major player even very close to ready to take that on at this point. Most are in fact moving away from the risks the IM industry brings.

So what your left with is an option of lots of people using lots of different payment processors essentially spreading the risks of the industry over a wider group. The major problem with that is that its just not very feasible to have systems like jv zoo or warrior plus integrate lots of payment processors and systems.

They choose paypal and a couple AR services...if you don't like that, go somewhere else.

Unpopular as this may sound, I totally understand Paypal's point here.

There are so many people who think they can make a quick buck via this forum that it is filled with tons of useless crap. We have to accept that.

I'm not saying for a minute it is all crap - of course not, I spend time here so I do see value, but we do have a problem on this Forum.

Part of the problem is Warrior Forum refuses to police it's own, so you leave little choice for companies like Paypal.

I would say 50% of my purchases here have been steller, where I would have even paid more, but equally 50% have been diabolical. That is an ultra high percentage of crap.

Just 2 weeks ago, even after doing my due diligence I made a purchase which ended up being a scam. I was not the only one he scammed either, we all wrote on his thread about his bad service and his refusal to refund us.

What happened? The posts got deleted.... so now not only does he still refuse to refund, but he can scam others.

Of course, I opened a Paypal dispute and of course Paypal have a bad image of WF.

There is a big disconnect here.. and as mentioned in the call, Paypal has to pick up the pieces.

I'm NOT a WF hater.....but I am openly ready to admit we have a problem here, a problem which stops me buying anything unless I really know or trust the seller.

Actually, even a very big name has tons of negative reviews on his recent WSO because he stopped replying to support requests where users could not get access to his product. I'm talking over a week not replying to them even though he bumped the WSO. I'm guessing all these people complained to Paypal too... I would... This type of behaviour gives all us sellers a bad name.

The mentally of sellers on the WF needs a shake up or Paypal disappearing will only be the start of the problem.

Before you flame me, I'm not a WF hater and I have given plenty back here. Yet, I have been the victim of scams here, and I have had to take the issue to Paypal when seller 'disappear'...

If WF does not start to police its own, then in Paypal's position, I would do the same. Just being honest.

Not everyone shared this experience. I have had a wonderful experience with Paypal. Something tells me those getting banned are a minority.

after reading this thread there are lots of different opinions as to who`s fault it is and people shoulc create more value or things should be cleaned up etc etc

but... what we all have to bare in mind is it doesnt matter how much value or quality you provide anyone who sells wso`s or promotes anything to do with the warior forum and wso pro will:

"ALL GET TARRED BY THE SAME BRUSH"

at some point it looks very likely that paypal are going to take some serious action against either the WF or internet marketers in general that sell IM/make money products

IMO we should be looking into alternative payment processors

it all depends if paypal are going to target the whole "make money online" industry

or.. they are just going to clamp down on members promoting through the warrior forum/warrior plus system

i love using paypal but of course it seems sensible to not dismiss this whole paypal issue about what is going on and after listening to that paypal call its quite clear that the guys at paypal dont like us guys here at the warrior forum too much

(and yes the guy quite clearly said that this forum doesnt provide much value)

someone mentioned earlier about the WF doing there own payment processor (that would be awesome)

but the same with anything time will tell

paul

Hmmmm. Thought provoking. Touch wood, I have't yet had issues with PayPal but then I made sure before setting up in business online and shortly after opening my business accounts with PayPal, that I went through anything and everything that I didn't understand about their terms.

I verified my accounts in the usual way but, in addition, I provided documentation to verify the legitimacy of my business, VAT number, incorporation number - you name it, I provided it so that the default limitation of $1900 which is placed as per EU regs on money laundering, could be lifted which it was.

Anytime I have a query, I make contact them by telephone and I'm dealt with courteously and efficiently.

I don't forsee problems but I know that if I did not have PayPal for use as a buyer, I'd be stuck because I don't like using my credit card online - paranoia, I suppose.

I don't believe WF doing away with PayPal is the answer. Too many customers, like myself, trust it more than paying for goods online with any other process.

Even if an alternative to PP was to be found, the same issues would be faced with the new payment processor because they would face the same risks that PayPal faces when people withdraw funds as quickly as they come in leaving PP to refund, if and when the merchant walks as some of them do, leaving PP to pick up the tab.

The answer, it would seem to me, is to conduct one's business using best business practices, offering quality products, taking care of customer concerns immediately and promptly and avoiding deliberately or inadvertently in dazzling prospective customers with promises that your product does not or cannot deliver.

If PP becomes a problem for one, there's always Clickbank.

Jamie.

Actually, that's about how PayPal clearly doesn't want Anthony's business. My business looks and works absolutely nothing like his, so it's perfectly irrelevant to me.

Unfortunately, I personally think that attempting to get people to stop using Paypal would have extremely negative affects, especially for the user base here on Warrior Forum.

It would be like telling all "Safari Users" that they are banned from using Google.com

Wouldn't go down tooooo well.

DId pay-pal keep your balance? I have heard of that before

Nice posts everybody.

I came into this thread with a totally different mindset about the PayPal situation than what I'm leaving with.

I knew bringing this idea up wouldn't win me any friends lol... but I guess I interpreted that call differently than many of you when I heard it.

I basically just heard one big slap in the face to people who sell on Warrior Forum.

Alexa and Big Mike make some excellent insights.

ExRat makes a great point about trying to understand what the PayPal rep wants to see.

Then kindsvater rolls in as usual and writes a kickass post.

Everyone who contributed to this subject has helped me see things with a clearer perspective.

You're all awesome in my book.

Thanks.

There are a lot of excellent points, and counterpoints in this thread. When you get right down to it, PayPal is a business and is simply trying to protect its own interests. I don't blame them for being overzealous, even if it's a bit annoying. In the end though I think banning PayPal from Warrior Forum would be short-sighted, and ultimately useless. I suppose I don't really have a dog in this fight because I've shifted my entire business away from using Paypal period.

I do think though it might be time to consider some new policies for the WSO section, or at least begin a discussion about it.

I think the biggest issue most people have with PayPal, is that PayPal makes their decision and action without any warning whatsoever.

If they at least gave a few days notice that they were going to shut down your account (even if the funds were frozen), it would still give you some time to implement alternative payment options.

Of course, PayPal has the right to conduct their business as they see fit, but I think a warning period would reduce some of the agro.

Interesting thread.

1) You guys are doing EXACTLY what you are blaming Paypal for doing. One minute you say you are sick of Paypal placing all IM products under the one umbrella when clearly not all products are created equal yet in the same breath you are saying we need to completely remove Paypal from the Warrior Forum because a VERY small number of people (in the scheme of things) have had some issues with their accounts. So it's NOT ok for Paypal to make brash decisions based on only a few experiences but it IS ok for you to do the same? That makes perfect sense.

2) The Paypal call in the opening post was not made by Jason. It was Anthony Aires. A few people seem to be getting mixed up on that. Anthony has also admitted in a recent webinar made since that phone recording that his case has been escalated at Paypal and he is a lot more hopeful about his account being restored. He also stated that the reason his account came under review in the first place is because he launched a product into an account that had seen almost no activity before and all of a sudden within a few days it had a rush of thousands of dollars. It doesn't matter who the hell is processing your payments, if that type of thing happens, people are going to ask questions. If they didn't then they are not the kind of payment processor I would want to be working with.

3) Paypal are not only doing this stuff to protect themselves, they are also doing it to protect you as a customer. But when you really stand back and give it some good thought, they ARE actually doing this to help vendors as well. If Paypal ends up getting a bad rep as a payment processor then very few people are going to use it and your sales will suffer.

4) If your business model is based solely on promoting other people's products and getting instant commissions into your Paypal account then when/if things go belly up for you, you really have no one else to blame except for yourself. No more to say on that point. This is a rookie error and I'm quite sure most of us here are aware of that.

5) How many normal businesses in the offline world do you know of that open shop, process thousands of dollars worth of payments over a short few days, close up shop and then move on? How many normal businesses in the offline world do you know of that are setup in such a way whereby you pay for the product you are purchasing from them, through an anonymous 3rd party that neither of you know from a bar of soap? If you really can't understand why Paypal sees this type of business model as risky then I don't think that is Paypal's fault at all, it's yours. It's clear as day to me and other Warriors.

I also don't agree with the constant comments in this thread whinging that Paypal need to reveal their cards and tell you once and for all which products are fine and which are not. Paypal do not have to do anything they don't want to do. If you don't like the service they are providing then move on, they sure won't miss your $50 worth of processing fees for the year. If you really think this industry is worth them spending a whole lot of time on then you are very mistaken. The transactions processed on the WSO forum would be TINY in the scheme of things. Nothing they are going to lose any sleep over. It makes much more business sense for them to just remove accounts than to sit down and plan up a whole new set of 'can do's and 'can't do's. They will just introduce a blanket rule soon that says no IM products are allowed. When it happens you can all go and pat yourselves on the back for a job well done because it IS this industry that has bought it upon themselves. Did you honestly think this crap could go on forever?

As for someone needing to come up with an IM payment processor that allows a lot of this rubbish to continue, do you know why this has not happened as yet? It's simple. No one wants to touch the IM industry. No bank in their right mind would want to be associated with all of this for the small amount of money it might make them in processing fees per year. This isn't going to change anytime soon either so if you are sitting around waiting for some magical IM payment processor to come on to the scene, you are going to be waiting a LONG LONG time. You have a better chance of seeing some flying pigs outside your window right now... go on, go take a look.

P.S. At least you know Anthony would have your back in a fight. "It wasn't me, it was that guy over there... that guy!!"

First time I heard this... Great stuff!

Toss W+ under the bus... Nice

I woulds have to say they have a point about the circles... I'm sure they have looked at the buyers and sellers on the WF and the pattern is circles...

I'm sure they see and read the sales page and look at the buyers and see their paypal accounts are not making sales after they buy the said product that has a headline .... Make 10,000 in 30 minutes...

I'm sure if say Jerry has a product A that says buy this and make 1000.00 per month...

Tom buys product A that says make 1000.00 a month... then they see Tom's account making 1000.00 per month they would have no problem because the product does what it would says.

Paypal has the advantage they get to see the real numbers and they see Tom, Sue, Mick, Grant, Brad, Steve, Scott and so on buy Product A and they never see these account making any money... Just buying stuff after stuff that makes claims they can make Money...But never do...

It's sounds like the buyer takes makes some faults they buy one dud after dud after dud and enough people who buy these duds and the products never pan out

PayPal sees the real numbers... not fake screen shots we see and they can tell it is fake... so they flag it...

PayPal also can see and match testimonials also when they review and this could also flag it.

what about this concept...
Step up and make sure your customers do make the money you say they can, or stop making hyped up sales pages.

What I could hear is paypal account from 2004 and made 12,000 over 8 years is no big loss to them and something more must have raised a red flag the numbers are just low.

I would say someone or many complained about something that was a real truth when paypal looked at the accounts.

I do think they should hold WF or W+ or 3rd party in part and make them step up and police the products they allow.

Look in JVZoo, we can see on the affiliate side... they have products that have 4% 10% 20% 30% 50% and even 100% refund rates... are you kidding me they have no standards do they?

Clean it up Guys / Gals !

Make higher standards and clean things up.


Richard

P.S.
Where is the persons WSO at anyone seen it? Does he claim make big money with my system but his paypal account shows he does not make big money so How can he teach to make it if he don't himself?

P.S.S if you make some hyped up sales page and you come under review and paypal sees you don't make what you say they BAN you.

I DON'T think that WF should ban PP. I happen to like being able to buy something and have it debited from my bank account. Not everyone has or wants a credit card.

One of the biggest problems with PayPal is not in the way in which PayPal works. PayPal is completely predictable if you aren't blind to how they function and how they profit. The problem with PayPal is the people who have been around long enough to realize that if they file a dispute, they will most likely win in keeping the product and their money.

I use PayFlow Pro which is owned by PayPal to process my PayPal payments and it's like a different ball game.

I expect that enough money has been pushed around through the WarriorForum for the past decade that WarriorForum is on their radar and that at some point in time, PayPal will no longer wish to process any and all payments that have anything to do with the WarriorForum for the reasons given by the representative in that video.

Most of us have been burned many times - yes many. Please remember paydirect from yahoo, or c2it from citi corpse. Well, citi has a new service. They are not going to shut this one down they promise.

Hey, we are tired of excuses. Perhaps we can partner with money bookers or some other service. Still, I want a stable company. Yeah, as in one that will be around many years. OK are you listening amazon. This could be a massive op. A good fit could be pro pay.

Do you want to know why another payment processor hasn't stepped in yet... something like a ClickBank?

It's because Warriors are cheap as hell! Or maybe better put... don't understand the true costs of doing business.

If someone were going to offer a service like ClickBank for WSOs, where they processed the transactions through their own merchant account, that company would have to charge ClickBank type rates... so you'd be looking at 7.5% + $1.00 per transaction just like ClickBank does.

And yes, I realize that $1.00 is a much larger percentage of a $7.00 sale than it is on a $47.00 sale, but maybe that'd be a good thing... maybe it'd cause the price of WSOs to go up to somewhere close to what people should actually be pricing at anyway.

One more thing...

I'm NOT saying this for the hell of it. I know of someone who has the ability to bring this service to reality, who ALREADY has the merchant accounts secured, and who can charge those exact rates... the reason they haven't done it is simple... they think the no one would use it because the processing rates would be too high for warrior to swallow.

Opinions?

-Gary Ambrose

Good idea, Jason. I would go with Amazon Flexible Payments Service (Amazon FPS).
Amazon is worldwide well known, well trusted and FPS has great pricing. What can be better?

But...the risk of having your account closed the way PayPal do WILL BE THE SAME IF QUESTIONABLE BUSINESS IS WHAT SOME PEOPLE DO, NOBODY WILL TOLERATE THEM.

Bottom line - WF should have and enforce serious rules about the quality of WSO and what they claims, with ZERO TOLERANCE.

I cant stand paypal. I dont sell any products through paypal at all.

I take ebook sales etc through clickbank and services through plimus

However I still have a paypal account as many affiliate companies will only pay out by paypal which is a real shame.

If I could be completely free I would be.

I could probably change affiliate companies but most of these are from ones I signed up from years ago and the affiliate commission is through viral marketing.

And I know a lot more people like me that wont go near them especially for selling goods just in case they close them right in the middle of a big campaign.

never gonna work. Why? Because all the buyers are using paypal

Is anyone using http://www.alertpay.com, they seem to welcome any and all business. Might be a good alternative to paypal. I just don't see too many sellers offering it as an alternative to using paypal.

Actually PayPal is a very funny company. They shout down the accounts left and right basing on their own decision. I.e. if they decide to close your account, it will be closed anyways and it doesn't matter if you break their TOS or not.



On the other hand, look at these File Sharing services (e.g. megaupload) and associated pirate boards. They all make the bank on piracy (warez, Hollywood movies, TV shows, all sorts of pirated porn including illegal one like besti@lity etc). And guess who process all this "business"? Right, it's PayPal - the company which claims it has no relation to anything illegal. Very ironic, isn't it?

so damn agree. i hope something takes off paypal. IN my point if we had chance to use different payment cart which allow us to use WSO pro then every thing should be fine. It's paypal what you need to use WSO pro. Most of the affiliates comes from WSO pro. Have paypal and other payment method.

Personally I never had a PayPal account and never will. That's a very shady e-money system I don't want to be associated with (see my post about processing of illegal content above).

Well, all I can say is that unfortunately, this is a very big risk when one is in Internet Marketing.

The only real alternates to Paypal at this point are either merchant accounts or to promote Clickbank and get paid by check.

I guess all you can do is do your best to comply to their policies and hope for the best and to have a long, profitable run.

You know what Jason. I absolutely agree with you on that one. Paypal gives people the biggest hassle when it comes down to business as well as all kinds of transaction. I cannot even tell how many problems that I have had with Paypal thus far. This is the very reason why I choose Alert Pay over Paypal.

Do I sense a large portion of sour grapes here?

And where's all that Warrior Love that we read about on here; ya know, solidarity, mutual 'support' (a meaningless New Age term that ought to have died a dignified death a decade ago), 'serve the people'? Or have these only ever been driven by that other grape product?

Add a double portion of bar room lawyering and there ya go!

Anybody using Google Checkout? Iv'e only heard good things about it and I was planning on giving it a try.

Yeah I've used Google Checkout to buy not to sell.

Paypal is the most loved as well as the most hated payment service. Yet, people use it...Paradox but truth! Biggies are hard to bring down. So I agree with many here - Paypal is here to stay. It's in the mindset of most customers that its the best and most reliable. So someone using paypal, becomes reliable in some way...

Paypal has kept our site alive. No big administration fees and free stock control and buttons. I personally dont have a bad word to say about them

why isnt anybody talking about alertpay or liberty reserve as a temporary measure? nobody mentioned another payment processor everybody was trying to argue for or against paypal when in actual fact the question was finding an aliter to paypal
and as a long term measure WF's own payment processor?
just thinking loud

The problem is people buy on emotion.

Nothing will ever change that.

Once someone gets deep into "right brain mode," logic goes out the window.

... I would personally love it if things worked in reverse.

But we aren't Vulcans (one for my fellow dorks out there).

As they say, common sense ain't so common.

I don't think paypal cares

I use ClickBank for most of my WSO's and have put over $100,000 in sales via WSO's through this forum using ClickBank, it can be done.

Also, ClickBank are aware there is a need to provide a service to WSO sellers and are watching so a change could be on the way.

John

in theory your right it would be great to ban paypal. But for that to work everyone in IM would have to do it to make it work.

thanks

TheKaver

My view is bit more simplistic:
-Risk is quantitative and can be laid out in mathematical terms.
-If someone is a risk because they pose more risk to the company than the benefit obviously the company does not want to deal with the risk
-Anthony did not pose more risk than his income to the company with reserves sufficient for refunds
-The paypal rep made the statement that other people were selling similar items who bought from him, but that does not mean that other people can't sell something without paypal knowing they are exact duplicates and therefore provide no value
-This to me a dangerous thing to admit to (Paypal's rep) because it makes everything arbitrary
-Still, it is their business and they can do whatever they like, except for seize people's assets, which I believe completely unfair proportionately to the risk they can assess based on refunds and disputes.

Ultimately it's a love it or leave it thing. We don't like the idea of them running our business, nor should be lose our objectivity in them not having control of their own business. I just find shutting out income a bit unfair in many cases.

Good idea!

In soviet russia the door slam you!

I think getting a payment processor to handle the warrior forum is an excellent idea. If we all bought into it. I mean i would think that there would be several wannabe paypal companies that would jump at the chance to handle this type of business. Just a thought. But I agree something has to be done. This is rediculous, all of us just waiting around to be axed.


Thanks,

Brad Dixon

Paypal is another monopoly that is behaving badly. We urgently need credible competition. You should see how much ebay is making from their unit paypal.

Competition is the only thing that would make them change their behavior.

Whoa...this thing is new to me. Heard The Call. It looks like there's nothing we can do about it. So what's the solutions, then ? Everyone is using Paypal. Most of them.