Trade Off Between Loneliness and Freedom...An Internet Marketers Life

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6:58 am, I wake up naturally as usual.

No alarm clock, no one telling me it's time to get up.

I could even go back to sleep if I wanted.

But the thought of coffee, fresh brewed in my open loft overlooking the city where I live, has me yawning and stretching my body out in bed, and now both feet on the ground moving towards the kitchen...

Sometimes I wake up alone, other days I wake up next to one of gorgious women I frequent.

I live in South America now, (Colombia to be exact) and that type of lifestyle is quiet normal here. Especially for a gringo.

It's been over two years now since I sold everything and left the United States..

A whirlwind experience that has changed me at the core. I am completely different person now, with a perception on life so much bigger and open that I couldn't have possibly gotten their if I stayed in my 'old' life.

My dreams for what I want and reasons for achieving them are completely different.

I have a desire to make more money than ever before, (which has always been a lot) but at the same time, I could run out of it all, and sleep under a bridge and feel just fine. I have found the magic of living in the moment, that makes that way of thinking possible.

But with this life, above all, the pain that even the moment can't take away, is the feeling of loneliness that comes with building a business on the Internet.

It doesn't matter how beautiful your surroundings, how nice your house, or how much money you have. The pain of loneliness can penetrate even the strongest of characters.

So what do you do with this pain?

How do you use it to fuel the energy and put it into your online business?

For me it has become this..

I plan to live a life of travel forever. There is magic in it, and I believe without a doubt a nomadic existence, blended with occasional spurts of a normal routine is our true nature. It makes us feel alive and gives us an endless sense of growth and adventure. It also allows us to mingle in a social pool of people, to intense to describe with words.

I love it...

But for me, everyday I wake up my drive comes from loneliness of this business to hurry up and make a lot of money, so that I can get back to living my dreams.

It really is easier than you think.

And once you taste the freedom, and the pure ongoing sense of joy that comes from accomplishing what you set out for. You would not be taking so long.

Just get er done...Feel the pain and do it anyways.

To your new life

Nate Bunger
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  • I can sorta late in some cases....

    I am currently working as well as practicing my IM ventures. Sorta like working on two things at once. I finish work, my friends all go out to parties, clubs, get drunk, whatever.

    On the other hand, I head straight home, to watch the latest webinar, can't wait to write the next article and do a quick video. My so-called 'weekend' are basically days in front of a computer screen. Even with people around me, I do often sometimes feel a sense of loneliness but at the same time, sanctuary as well.

    My friends are out there partying, having fun, enjoying life, under the influence. While I'm here building a list, networking, marketing, and expanding my influence!

    I'm gonna tough this out. I don't care if not many people understand. I'm doing this. I've made my first dollar online ages ago. In fact, I've already made my first hundred bucks. Heck, I've already made my first G.

    I'm actually doing this! I've got a taste of what it is to finally remove all doubt that this s**t works. Yes there is pain, loneliness, and all that crap.
    But there's only two things I can do about it - either let it consume me, be depressed, whimper about it, or I can man up, like a boss, pour my entire heart and guts into this project because I know that this gets me up in the morning and while help me create what's most important to me in life.

    I'm with you on this man. I might not be on that level you're on yet, but I tell you what, I already KNOW it's gonna be worth it.

    I'll drink to that.
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  • Profile picture of the author jrpt
    Your ideal and dreams are a pure pipe dream for 99.99% of IMers out there. Many of us get into I'M because we are seeking extra revenue sources. In a way I feel bad for those who are single and knee deep in their I'M ventures. Why? Because you'll never get out of it until either failure or jackpot. No 'real' job can fulfill as much as making $$ online yet the secrecy and cloaking nature of I'M lends itself to isolation and deceipt. Its just how it is. There are some that are able to thrive in a fully open, lay it all out there method of I'M but those are few and far between.

    And as far as traveling for your life, enjoy it now. When you hit 50 and are still traveling without a real. Home or family, you'll really know what lonely is.
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    • Profile picture of the author natebunger
      Originally Posted by jrpt View Post

      Your ideal and dreams are a pure pipe dream for 99.99% of IMers out there. Many of us get into I'M because we are seeking extra revenue sources. In a way I feel bad for those who are single and knee deep in their I'M ventures. Why? Because you'll never get out of it until either failure or jackpot. No 'real' job can fulfill as much as making $$ online yet the secrecy and cloaking nature of I'M lends itself to isolation and deceipt. Its just how it is. There are some that are able to thrive in a fully open, lay it all out there method of I'M but those are few and far between.

      And as far as traveling for your life, enjoy it now. When you hit 50 and are still traveling without a real. Home or family, you'll really know what lonely is.
      We create what we want...And thats the truth.

      As for 99 percent of people, potentially the won't create this for themselves. It doesn't mean they can't. It will indeed take a massive shift in their thinking. And if they can't make that shift, I agree, a different plan outside of Internet Marketing would be better. Trust me, before I ever started making money online, I remember some pretty low days (some of which even had tears) because I couldn't figure this business out.

      I took a break from it for awhile, but always found myself coming back. It's the most amazing idea that exists in the world today. To be able to work online from anywhere and travel the world, or just be free.

      But I agree with you on traveling at 50...I would imagine by then things will be different. That's my idea now, but I will probably meet someone along the way who will want me to settle down. And you know us men..We are suckers for a hot piece of ass aren't we

      The ideal dream would be to travel with my wife or girlfriend... perhaps volunteering or doing speaking gigs, or whatever thing we find inspiring at the time.

      I don't mean to say I would be a nomad without a home...For example, I have already bought property here in Colombia with the idea of having a home here one day. I suppose we all need a homebase to work from. Although I haven't really had one in over two years. I just rented a beautiful place for 6 months, to focus on some bigger projects, but find even after a month, I am ready to bounce again...It's hopeless..

      I will say this though...I see alot of people in their 50's starting over in new countries, or just traveling like me. They seem to be happy as can be. Many of them have 20 year girlfriends in places like Colombia or Philippines. Very common to see. After seeing the way many cultures operate outside of the US regarding men and their ability to find a nice young girl to settle with, I am not as worried as I used to be about growing old.

      In many cultures, the older you are, the more respect you get. Many younger women don't even like dating younger men in these places because they are immature and well, broke...

      We can't blame them, seeking a man for security is in a woman's nature. And it's in our nature to want to take them in.
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      • Profile picture of the author ShayB
        Originally Posted by natebunger View Post

        We can't blame them, seeking a man for security is in a woman's nature.
        Uh. No. It's not. Not for all women, anyway.

        Other than this part, nice posts.
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  • Profile picture of the author WhiteDove
    Good advice from advice from # 3 he's right, I spend 10 hours a day in my basement office.
    How lonely is that?
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    • Profile picture of the author fin
      Dude,

      I think it's time for you to go back to the 9-5. That life sounds rubbish - no wonder you hate it, lol:p.
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    • Profile picture of the author natebunger
      Originally Posted by WhiteDove View Post

      Good advice from advice from # 3 he's right, I spend 10 hours a day in my basement office.
      How lonely is that?
      Why not move out of the basement, find a nice view to work from and get a cat
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  • Profile picture of the author GAldane
    The moral of this story is that no life is perfect. But you have to always switch between in order to enjoy both life. In that way you will be able to overcome the boredom.
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  • Profile picture of the author rooze
    Interesting OP.
    I wonder how many folk turn to this place to fulfill their base needs for social interaction, perhaps without even realizing it?

    If you feel any sense of isolation or loneliness, you need to change your environment fairly quickly. Prolonged isolation and lack of social interaction can really change you as a person, in a negative way.
    Whilst it's good to have goals, we should also be aware of what we're having to sacrifice in the short-term to achieve those goals (which in reality, may never be achieved). Will you be be more whole as a person when you achieve financial independence, or less whole due to the sacrifices you've made along the way?
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  • Profile picture of the author DigitalBusker
    Not sure who it was that said it, but it was an American businessman who had spent most of his life up 'til that point building his own business and been divorced once. His take on it was, "if you want friendship and loyalty...get a dog!." (I found this amusing and try to laugh at life when it gets painful. Which is a little contradictory to say the least. Probably why people say, "if you didn't laugh, you'd cry?") So laughing may help with the loneliness? Only a small crumb of comfort perhaps, but sometimes small things work just as well.

    For the vast majority our infant/toddler/child experience, generally up to age 8/9 and beyond is constant companionship and being looked after by parents. In short, at this age there is fear of being alone, which we carry into adulthood.

    If it's "haunting" you now, congratulations....you're normal!
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    • Profile picture of the author natebunger
      Originally Posted by DigitalBusker View Post

      Not sure who it was that said it, but it was an American businessman who had spent most of his life up 'til that point building his own business and been divorced once. His take on it was, "if you want friendship and loyalty...get a dog!."

      For the vast majority our infant/toddler/child experience, generally up to age 8/9 and beyond is constant companionship and being looked after by parents. In short, at this age there is fear of being alone, which we carry into adulthood.

      If it's "haunting you," congratulations....you're normal!
      Nicely said..
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    Cheers man!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnDBrewer
    @jrpt,

    I don't think NateBunger is talking about a pipe dream. Nor Michaelangelo. But at the same time I can see where you are coming from. My wife thinks I am having an affair with my computer because I work all day in front of a computer and then I come home and sit in front of another computer until around midnight. There is a sense of loneliness to it but I know why i am doing it. I have 5 children and a beautiful wife that I would like to take to lunch every day for the rest of our lives and not have to worry about punching a clock somewhere because another man or woman is telling me what I have to do with my time. My main reason is because I want to have time for my family more than the normal 2 or 3 hours in the evening when you get home from work and the time the kids need to go to bed.
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      Originally Posted by JohnDBrewer View Post

      @jrpt,

      I don't think NateBunger is talking about a pipe dream. Nor Michaelangelo. But at the same time I can see where you are coming from. My wife thinks I am having an affair with my computer because I work all day in front of a computer and then I come home and sit in front of another computer until around midnight. There is a sense of loneliness to it but I know why i am doing it. I have 5 children and a beautiful wife that I would like to take to lunch every day for the rest of our lives and not have to worry about punching a clock somewhere because another man or woman is telling me what I have to do with my time. My main reason is because I want to have time for my family more than the normal 2 or 3 hours in the evening when you get home from work and the time the kids need to go to bed.
      It's good to have a motivating force that you can see every day!

      Mine is: not having to answer to anyone in the workplace for almost 15 years and wanting to keep it that way. All other motivations, dreams and fantasies are icing on the cake.
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  • Profile picture of the author WriterWahm
    Oh how I envy you the freedom to just up and travel. I have 2 kids and the youngest is 2...we recently went on a family vacation and I was badly traumatised. But I understand completely what you mean as that used to be my dream before I got married.

    Right now, freedom for me is taking my laptop to the local Starbucks and spending 5 hours working on IM. It doesn't happen often but when it does, it's pure nirvana.

    In spite of everything, I really do love my life!
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Interesting thread. I've been full time for quite a while now and I struggled with this for the first year or so. Then the answer came to me. For me the solution was simple:

    1. I took breaks during the day to touch base with friends, family, etc. If that wasn't possible due to a deadline or something else, I still made it priority to connect with them as soon as possible.

    2. Mastermind with other entrepreneurs and people who "get it".

    3. Make it a point to get out of the house (or office).

    4. Take regular vacations (when I used to be on a tight budget, I would get on price line and name my own price for a nice hotel in another city just to get away).

    5. Exercise regularly and eat well (this has a huge impact on mental health and well-being, not just physical).

    Even after all these years I'm still part of two master mind groups, one meets weekly, the other meets bi-weekly. I also participate in my local chamber of commerce, volunteer and participate in charity events, and have a social calendar that's almost always booked.

    I haven't experienced any form of lonliness in years and don't think I ever will again.

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    • Profile picture of the author natebunger
      Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

      Interesting thread. I've been full time for quite a while now and I struggled with this for the first year or so. Then the answer came to me. For me the solution was simple:

      1. I took breaks during the day to touch base with friends, family, etc. If that wasn't possible due to a deadline or something else, I still made it priority to connect with them as soon as possible.

      2. Mastermind with other entrepreneurs and people who "get it".

      3. Make it a point to get out of the house (or office).

      4. Take regular vacations (when I used to be on a tight budget, I would get on price line and name my own price for a nice hotel in another city just to get away).

      5. Exercise regularly and eat well (this has a huge impact on mental health and well-being, not just physical).

      Even after all these years I'm still part of two master mind groups, one meets weekly, the other meets bi-weekly. I also participate in my local chamber of commerce, volunteer and participate in charity events, and have a social calendar that's almost always booked.

      I haven't experienced any form of lonliness in years and don't think I ever will again.

      RoD
      Love your feedback...I am working on doing more of this where I am now... Volunteering especially. Exercise is awesome too...just joined the local Crossfit.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I don't feel your pain. I have worked in enough offices with people that given the choice, I would never want to do it again. They just weren't that companionable.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Keith
    Having run online businesses for all of my adult life and half my teenage years, I just don't undertand this mode of thinking.

    Granted, I am not in the MMO or IM niche. That may make a difference with the high failure rates and never really being able to make a difference.

    For me, I always keep 2 10% time projects going.

    One is usually somewhat business related or just a wild hair type idea. The other is always a project that is "bigger than me". Something that uses the relatively small amount of influence and wealth I have to do stuff to make the world better.

    I could never be in business just for the money, I would hate getting up in the morning. Nothing about who people really are is designed for them to "just make money".
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  • Profile picture of the author Cataclysm1987
    I must be weird. I lock myself in an internet marketing cave like a mad scientist with no light and no sound with Mozart playing in the background.

    Damn palm trees just make me want to nap all day.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tadresources
    IM can often be solitary work, which means it isn't cut out for everyone. For me, it's worth the temporary sacrifice for the ultimate payoff that working hard and getting good at what you do will eventually bring.
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    Just think though: where there are palm trees, there are bound to be BIKINIS....
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  • Profile picture of the author savvybizbuilder
    Loneliness comes when you work on your own as IM. But if you have people around to help you with your work. I think both side of life can be more joyful. As being IM and being you in the outside world.
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    • Profile picture of the author dfs_dean
      Must be my personality or temperament, but I am often alone but I am never lonesome.

      Peace
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  • Profile picture of the author kolled
    This industry can sometimes spur boredom and loneliness. Personally, this business has been a blessing. I'd never survive in the corporate world again, I'd probably lose my mind. One way I kick out boredom is to take some time off and meet someone for a little chit chat. Sometime all it takes is less than 15 minutes. The body gets some exercise, and the mind 'resets' and when I get back to work, the mind is fresh once again. It does get boring when there is nobody to talk to and share ideas, though.
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  • Profile picture of the author stephenwaldo
    I do agree that it takes some initial getting used to...More for some than others depending on your personality. I'd say that I myself have struggled only mildly with the lonely aspect, but I'm also fairly introverted so solitude doesn't bother me.

    We all have our lonely nights or off days, of course, but on the whole I think I handle it pretty well. I spend more time stressing about keeping up with my work than I do about my social life or anything; I'm enjoy where I am in that respect.

    I definitely agree that exercise and good diet help A LOT! I notice a huge difference when I've missed a week of exercising - It affects just about every area of my life. I get more done and enjoy what I'm doing more when I maintain physical discipline.

    I also think that extracurricular activity is a must...Don't expect IM to be both your work, entertainment AND relaxation. You are 99% guaranteed to burn out unless you restrict it to only 1 of those 3 categories. Again, at least in my experience.

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    • Profile picture of the author natebunger
      Originally Posted by stephenwaldo View Post

      I do agree that it takes some initial getting used to...More for some than others depending on your personality. I'd say that I myself have struggled only mildly with the lonely aspect, but I'm also fairly introverted so solitude doesn't bother me.

      We all have our lonely nights or off days, of course, but on the whole I think I handle it pretty well. I spend more time stressing about keeping up with my work than I do about my social life or anything; I'm enjoy where I am in that respect.

      I definitely agree that exercise and good diet help A LOT! I notice a huge difference when I've missed a week of exercising - It affects just about every area of my life. I get more done and enjoy what I'm doing more when I maintain physical discipline.

      I also think that extracurricular activity is a must...Don't expect IM to be both your work, entertainment AND relaxation. You are 99% guaranteed to burn out unless you restrict it to only 1 of those 3 categories. Again, at least in my experience.

      Great post!

      Good feedback man, thanks...Excercise I think is one of the biggest keys to staying positive mentally...Interesting, I woke up this morning in a bit of stoop when I wrote this post, and realized its been four days since I have worked out...Heading to gym in an hour to work my brains out..cant't wait

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  • Profile picture of the author Sitestomp
    When I first quit my job to go online fulltime, I don't think I saw the sun or people for a year lol. It's pretty common in this industry.

    It created some anxiety and depression issues. I realized while I was making money and working for myself, I failed to enjoy that money. I failed to spend time with the people around me.

    After a while, most naturally learn to balance work and play. You can work hard but still make time for family and friends.

    If you feel lonely, simply get out more. It's that easy.
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  • I came back to this thread the next day and whooaa... you guys are talking about being 50 and being lonely? LOL

    I am thinking... geez, I am only 24 (turning 25 this year) and only recently seen my first dollar (okay, so maybe not a dollar, maybe a bit more than a hundred... ok let's be honest, about a k... for the sake of being modest, let's leave it at a little bit more than a k). I don't mind sacrificing another 2-3 years of my youth locked in my bedroom watching webinars, writing articles, connecting with others like me on social platforms, JVing on forums, etc. if it means that I can create whatever life I want in the long run.

    I am trading my time so I will have more of it to play with in the near future - I guess that's called investing, would it be? I learned somewhere that time has similar qualities to money in that there are only 3 things you can do with it - you can spend it, you can save it (yes, time can be saved) or you can invest it. I reckon it's worth it having 2-3 years of confinement in exchange for the rest of my years living what's most important and meaningful to me.

    Yes, I've been out to parties, clubs, dates, cruises, you name it - but every single time there's always a weight on my shoulders, beating at me saying "F**k, now I gotta earn that money back." or "S**t, now I gotta save up again"... and I couldn't stand it.
    I can't exactly enjoy those things to the fullest extent when I'm worried about how I'm gonna survive again the next day.

    IM is really paying off, despite over a year of struggle and not making a cent.
    Now I am at the point of setting up a team to help me run my business and I am starting to get more and more of my time back.

    My point is - struggle is only temporary. The lessons you draw from them will always follow you in the form of gratitude.

    I am sitting here browsing this forum with a glass of cognac, soft jazz, scented lamps, sitting on my godfather chair, thinking to myself - yeah whatever so I'm pouring my guts out on to a forum, all by myself in this little room, but at least I'm doing it like a boss. But you know what, I could be doing this from anywhere else I want to with an internet connection. The beach, the hotel room, you name it.

    Okay, so maybe in a few years, I will be traveling too. And yes one day I will be coming home to my lavish house, seeing a woman hold my child in her arms and thinking to myself "I can come home to this every single day, without having to worry about going to work, or how I'm gonna pay the bills, and we can go wherever we want in this world" etc. etc.

    All this just because I chose to sit at home and work my ass off for a few years (ok, try months) while others blew all their cash buying drinks for people they'd never see again and woke up broke the next day with a hangover...
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  • Profile picture of the author Majin
    I'm going out and see friends/family a lot more since i'm doing IM full time. I prefer staying at home than spending 4 hours a day in transport just because "at least" you meet people...
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