Domain for over 60K on flippa and still going ?!!!

DotComBum

12 years ago

I think that is crazy, at least for a domain name that has a trademark in it, I won't even dare to register such a name

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MohawkJoe

12 years ago

Does having twitter on your domain name really give them the right to petition for it to be taken down?

twitter is a dictionary word, something that was not even brandable until they came in.... but the twitter + followers may give it away

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Green Moon 12 years ago

Originally Posted by MohawkJoe

Does having twitter on your domain name really give them the right to petition for it to be taken down?

Generally, an trademark owner can only get the name if it is used to sell similar or related goods and services (which this seems likely to be, by the way). However, in the case of a "famous" trademark, any use that tends to devalue the use of the famous mark is called dilution and gives additional rights to the trademark owner.

In other words, it seems to be an all around crazy idea to buy the domain name for any price.
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sbucciarel

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by MohawkJoe

Does having twitter on your domain name really give them the right to petition for it to be taken down?

twitter is a dictionary word, something that was not even brandable until they came in.... but the twitter + followers may give it away

Of course it does and will matter how it's used. Use it in a way that attempts to bank of Twitter's name and it's gone, along with the thousands of dollars someone spends to buy that domain name.

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onegoodman

12 years ago

Twitter wouldn't care about a domain name called twitterfollower however, if the owner or new owner decided to use it to create a website selling twitter followers or exchange.

Yes, twitter will hit them too fast, that they wouldn't even realize what hit them lol

I just don't understand why someone will pay that much for a domain only !!!

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Oliver Williams

12 years ago

Originally Posted by onegoodman

Twitter wouldn't care about a domain name called twitterfollower however, if the owner or new owner decided to use it to create a website selling twitter followers or exchange.

Yes, twitter will hit them too fast, that they wouldn't even realize what hit them lol

I just don't understand why someone will pay that much for a domain only !!!

I see your point, you could always ask the seller on a public thread and see what he says.

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onegoodman 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Oliver Williams

I see your point, you could always ask the seller on a public thread and see what he says.

Someone already did and he replied by this link that Twitter keyword is used, and it is an english word : Sam Johnston: "Twitter" Trademark in Trouble Too

Although this article has a good argument about use the word twitter, however, I do think this domain can be trouble simply because I don't think someone will pay 60K in this domain to sell facebook fans

There is only one reason someone willing to spend this money which is using is to sell twitter followers. Selling Twitter followers is already questionable argument.

However, the fact that twiends (the biggest exchange marketplace for twitter followers was forced to change its domain name and website name after receive a C&D letter) does make this argument pretty weak.
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fluffythewondercat

12 years ago

Originally Posted by onegoodman

Twitter wouldn't care about a domain name called twitterfollower however, if the owner or new owner decided to use it to create a website selling twitter followers or exchange.

Yes, twitter will hit them too fast, that they wouldn't even realize what hit them lol

I just don't understand why someone will pay that much for a domain only !!!

A combination of ignorant people and shill bidders, probably.

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SocialFansExpert

12 years ago

I had a domain that I had to get rid of on Flippa recently - facebookfanlist.com for the same copyright reasons. Apparently you won't be able to register such domains soon, and some registrars like namecheap are now stopping the practice altogether.

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Mkcoy

Banned 12 years ago

Maybe one day but there is a demand for it in the market.

Buy twitfollowers.info for $0.99 and sell it for $50k.

Whats so odd about that? Been happening for years.

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Tim3

12 years ago

Originally Posted by onegoodman

I came cross interesting auction on flippa today. someone is selling a domain and it goes over 60K in bidding ( the reserve price is $75k ). :confused:

The domain name : twitterfollowers

The domain hold a trademark in it and Twitter has already forced tweinds and youlikehits to change their domain names for violating its trademark (one of them user to be twitterfollowers or something similar).

Why are people bidding on a domain that certainly can't be used (twitter have been hunting these domains that has such a violation.

I just finding it interesting that someone is risking 60K or more for no apparent clear reason.

Good grief there's one born every minute!

better to pay $10 for a domain and spend the rest on marketing it.

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Wilcox

12 years ago

Absurd. That's all there is to say. I would never.

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Bruce NewMedia

12 years ago

I'm thinking Fluffy is right, a lot of shill bidders, that just smells of being rigged.
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LilBlackDress

12 years ago

Absolute crazy to buy that site at any price.

With Facebook going after sites that have "Face" and "Book" in the name (not even both words), I can imagine Twitter could have a field day with this one.

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seolvl1

12 years ago

Is the term android trademarked?

because i see sites like androidandme.com , phandroid.com, androidauthority.com and they are authority sites.

I guess it depends on how the domain is used?

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AffordableMarketingLists

12 years ago

Originally Posted by seolvl1

Is the term android trademarked?

because i see sites like androidandme.com , phandroid.com, androidauthority.com and they are authority sites.

I guess it depends on how the domain is used?

Yes, from Star Wars oddly enough.

It also depends on how much they care about. I have several domains with trademark names in them, but they are small and truly don't matter, especially if I'm promoting their brand (like an Acura site I have).

That being said, if I bought something that mattered and got a lot of publicity, I don't expect to be left alone.

On another point, it depends on how a site is getting monetized or if it is at all. If you take a forum that might make a few bucks off ads, but isn't trying to lure people in with their android-like phones (think iPhone/Samsung fight), you're generally fine.

Take a look at our friends over at FacebookSucks.com. As long as they're not trying to make money off of facebook, they're fine. Looks like they stopped mid-production on that one, but hopefully they'll pick it up again. They're fine as long as they don't start trying to monetize it (or maybe Facebook will just laugh it off).

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Richard Tunnah

12 years ago

Originally Posted by AffordableMarketingLists

Yes, from Star Wars oddly enough.

It also depends on how much they care about. I have several domains with trademark names in them, but they are small and truly don't matter, especially if I'm promoting their brand (like an Acura site I have).

That being said, if I bought something that mattered and got a lot of publicity, I don't expect to be left alone.

On another point, it depends on how a site is getting monetized or if it is at all. If you take a forum that might make a few bucks off ads, but isn't trying to lure people in with their android-like phones (think iPhone/Samsung fight), you're generally fine.

Take a look at our friends over at FacebookSucks.com. As long as they're not trying to make money off of facebook, they're fine. Looks like they stopped mid-production on that one, but hopefully they'll pick it up again. They're fine as long as they don't start trying to monetize it (or maybe Facebook will just laugh it off).

Just because you are promoting a brand does not give you the right to use their trademark in a domain unless you have written permission to do so. They could still sue you for cyber squatting as well as getting the domain back!

Rich

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kamlesh23

12 years ago

I am not sure whart would be the aftermaths of purchasing and launching twitterfollowers but definitely there are chances of site being shut down after claim from Twitter.

I know a similar case when I was working for the SEO of moogle.in after around 2 years of hard work in development and promotion of the site, one day we got a notification from Google and thus were forced to shift the site to a new name now known as grotal.com

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the_icon

12 years ago

I, personally, cant believe Flippa are allowing this auction to continue.

Shouldnt they have somewhere in their T&C's about violating trademarks or copyright?

After looking at the auction it is obvious it is a sham. No actual questions, just comments about the sale, good luck etc and the same person bidding on it over and over again, obviously just to bump up the price.

Also, why are they not selling the site as well? Just the domain name. Probably because they know the domain name is the issue and are punting it and going to put the content on a "safe" domain.

Scam artists everywhere.

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davezan 12 years ago

Originally Posted by the_icon

Shouldnt they have somewhere in their T&C's about violating trademarks or copyright?

They do, actually. Not that that won't stop others from trying, anyway.
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100k

12 years ago

If its getting sales and traffic, the buyer can always do a 301.

Or maybe the bidders are out to scam the guy, pay for the domain, get all the admin details, change the stuff over to themselves and keep the control, then open a dispute about tradename (and get their funds back).

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SebastianMaduro

12 years ago

I've always found these prices for 'premium' domains insane. Back in the day it was necessary for people to remember it but with all the knowledge on SEO these days a simple domain is no longer necessary imo.

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SeoKnightsInc

12 years ago

May be they are unaware of this fact or may be just for BRAND NAME

, you are right Microsoft is also hunting such domains which contains windows in there domain, I saw established website was turned down due to this brand name in domain.

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melleni

12 years ago

I would never touch that domain and for 60K its crazy

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josephvijay

12 years ago

How come people bid on such things and waste their bucks.

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Super Warrior

12 years ago

In that case can't someone use the word 'followers' in it's domain name?? :confused:

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the_icon

12 years ago

The guy was an obvious fraudster. He has multiple accounts on Flippa. I seen one of his other auctions where he used exactly the same reply to a question as the 60k one.

And it was bidder 12 and 13 ramping up the price. Chances are it was a bit of self promotion and keeping the sites for themselves. Everyone knows the trademark issue and they know it too. If they were serious about selling they would have taken the 74k and gone into the distance counting the moolah.

It was probably one of his other accounts that "won" it.

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onegoodman

12 years ago

Originally Posted by the_icon

The guy was an obvious fraudster. He has multiple accounts on Flippa. I seen one of his other auctions where he used exactly the same reply to a question as the 60k one.

And it was bidder 12 and 13 ramping up the price. Chances are it was a bit of self promotion and keeping the sites for themselves. Everyone knows the trademark issue and they know it too. If they were serious about selling they would have taken the 74k and gone into the distance counting the moolah.

It was probably one of his other accounts that "won" it.

Interestingly the auction reached to $74k and didn't sell.

You might be right he is using it for self promotion, but if he is bidding on his own auction with other accounts, that would move us to the next question, where is flippa ? and what are they doing against such an issue ?

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the_icon

12 years ago

Originally Posted by onegoodman

Interestingly the auction reached to $74k and didn't sell.

You might be right he is using it for self promotion, but if he is bidding on his own auction with other accounts, that would move us to the next question, where is flippa ? and what are they doing against such an issue ?

Counting the success fee of any potential sales?

The guy was selling the same domain name with all different country extensions. Some poor saps would have probably bought the cheaper ones.

What he probably done was to drive up the price using his own or friends accounts. Get it to a ridiculous price. If someone real buys it then fair enough. If they get caught and they "win" it then they simply go down the bidder list and contact them and do the sale outwith Flippa, thus making the real bidder think they are getting a deal ie a domain that reached 74k for only a few k or whatever they bid.

Sound about right?

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carlhenson

12 years ago

Hmm.. possibly. People who have 60k wouldn't really bid for something they know wouldn't last. That is simply not practical.

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sbucciarel

Banned 12 years ago

It was a pretty ridiculous auction. Not only the trademark issue, but you got a brand new seller selling this "premium" domain name for that kind of money and all of the dubious bids on it that are likely from his "other accounts". That auction isn't real.

Did you notice a commenter with a brand new account with the user name mike filsaime. Wanted to make it look like some big players are asking about the auction. lol.

Pure garbage. The seller and all those shills should be banned.

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Fernando Veloso

12 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

It was a pretty ridiculous auction. Not only the trademark issue, but you got a brand new seller selling this "premium" domain name for that kind of money and all of the dubious bids on it that are likely from his "other accounts". That auction isn't real.

Did you notice a commenter with a brand new account with the user name mike filsaime. Wanted to make it look like some big players are asking about the auction. lol.

Pure garbage. The seller and all those shills should be banned.

Amen to that. Finally a rational voice.

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Dunhill

12 years ago

facebook and twitter, all these companies are huge? why couldn't they purchase all related domain instead of sueing someone who owns such domain? should the buyer sue godaddy or namecheap then? since they have sold the domain that has trademark in it? just bunch of bs

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manicmethods

12 years ago

It doesn't take a genius to work out that there's something seriously wrong with that auction.

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galation

12 years ago

Originally Posted by onegoodman

I came cross interesting auction on flippa today. someone is selling a domain and it goes over 60K in bidding ( the reserve price is $75k ). :confused:

The domain name : twitterfollowers

The domain hold a trademark in it and Twitter has already forced tweinds and youlikehits to change their domain names for violating its trademark (one of them user to be twitterfollowers or something similar).

Why are people bidding on a domain that certainly can't be used (twitter have been hunting these domains that has such a violation.

I just finding it interesting that someone is risking 60K or more for no apparent clear reason.

I guess when you've got the name and someone else has a good idea for that name, the synergy of the two results in demand and this case, cash.

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