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12 years ago

Will I ever be a self-identified "internet marketer"? No.

Will I continue to use internet marketig to grow and promote my business? Yes.

Does that mean I need to get involved in get rich quick schemes and other such nonsense? No.

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JamesMcCaferty

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Andy Button

Will I ever be a self-identified "internet marketer"? No.

Will I continue to use internet marketig to grow and promote my business? Yes.

Does that mean I need to get involved in get rich quick schemes and other such nonsense? No.

Exactly, as I'm doing as well.

Originally, I was interested in internet marketing, hearing people about making large amounts of cash promoting CPA offers and ebooks.

Those people that spend 10k in advertising and make 30k. Do those people exist?

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jamesrich1

12 years ago

Many people focus on the riches when its best to focus on the next step. If your climbing a mountain its always better to get to your next position instead of fantasizing about the top.

Internet marketing holds two important skills. The ability to drive traffic - skill 1. The ability to convert it - skill two. Those skills are high level and cost money for basic and advanced education. It has a several months to years curve and it is made for people willing to never give up.

Mike Dillard took 6 years before he was able to break through. David Wood took several years, I could go on and on but the point is to say that if you give up all that you did is worth nothing. I made a decision to myself that I WILL NEVER GIVE UP until my definite purpose is fulfilled and I help X amount of people.

If quitting enters into your mind then its time to reprogram your mindstate and surround yourself with people that will never quit...

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JohnDBrewer

12 years ago

JamesMcCaferty,

Hey partner. You have posted to some of my threads in the past and I have run acrossed some of your posts elsewhere and I can tell that you are a legit kinda guy and straight up honest. I am with you in wanting to build a legit business and not have to do the shady stuff.

I am not personally doing any CPA offers myself but I did run across a CPA person by the name of NateBunger. He is here on the WarriorForum and from the WSO I bought from him and reviewed he seemed pretty legit as well but again I am not doing CPA offers.

Hope this helps.

John

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Edge88

12 years ago

I think you are right in saying lack of guidance. I tried all of this with lack of guidance and it took me some time to get it right. If you had good guidance you would have done better! But do your thing with SEO and your site. Then once you stabilize things find a coach/guide would be my advice, and explore since that's what you're looking for.

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Patrick Batty

12 years ago

Hey James,
I hear ya.. it's really a minefield.

I'm an SEO guy as well.

My suggestion is to pick a quality mentor and really try to focus on your goals.

I wrote a blog post about focus the other day about this: Focus and Action

There are so many distractions and promotions in internet marketing, it just feels like it's so easy to lose site of the goals and get distracted.

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Genycis

12 years ago

Hey James, don't let it all get to you and don't quit... no one says you have to go the shady route, and yeah, I can definitely understand the frustration of lack of guidance or thousands of warriors guiding you in all kinds of different directions. Just take it as suggestions but definitely feel out your own methods and routines, test and change, learn from what works and don't, and keep pushing forward.

There will always be debates, people that tell you one thing and others that say don't do that, do this, and others still that will try to sell you the shirt off your back and tell you how you need it to stay warm in cold temperatures that don't even exist where you live, yadda yadda.

CPAs, I only tried to apply for one and didn't get approved, but I wasn't worrying about it... maybe later I'll try CPA again, but I don't feel it's something I'm going to do. Affiliate sales, I was going to attempt to try this method with review sites, but with Google's big changes coming up, I may not fair off as well as I hoped, but I may still try it anyway and hope for the best... succeed, great, fail, move on.

Product creation... just tried my 2nd hand at it with another ebook. I sold a few of my first but nothing major at all... but still trying my 2nd, and maybe a 3rd. If it works, great... if not, then I'll have to move on.

My point is, don't give up, but instead, try different angles and such. If you have a special niche that you're an expert in, you can do greater than someone touching the waters hoping to find a big catch. Don't give up though, and definitely don't let the lack of guidance or misguidance steer you off. Persistence will prevail. Wish you the best of success.

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WriterWahm

12 years ago

I don't get it. If you do SEO, isn't internet marketing supposed to be a way to increase more exposure for your business? What you are talking about (promoting other people's stuff) is only ONE aspect of internet marketing known as affiliate marketing. Which you can incorporate by getting other people to promote your services for a commission.

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Exel

12 years ago

If you know and do SEO for other people why can't you do it for yourself on your own sites?

Pick a niche or a product, build a site, work on SEO and start selling. It is a known and
well established internet marketing method for people who like doing SEO.

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Steven Miranda

12 years ago

Do not give up! The next step could land you success.

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HelpingYouBeAnExpert

12 years ago

I have been making money doing this and I feel I'm honest. But is there scum, yes, just like everything else. It's up to you to decide how you act in this world. We have liberty to approach things from the good side or the bad side, it's up to us individually.

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JamesMcCaferty

12 years ago

Originally Posted by jamesrich1

Many people focus on the riches when its best to focus on the next step. If your climbing a mountain its always better to get to your next position instead of fantasizing about the top.

Internet marketing holds two important skills. The ability to drive traffic - skill 1. The ability to convert it - skill two. Those skills are high level and cost money for basic and advanced education. It has a several months to years curve and it is made for people willing to never give up.

Mike Dillard took 6 years before he was able to break through. David Wood took several years, I could go on and on but the point is to say that if you give up all that you did is worth nothing. I made a decision to myself that I WILL NEVER GIVE UP until my definite purpose is fulfilled and I help X amount of people.

If quitting enters into your mind then its time to reprogram your mindstate and surround yourself with people that will never quit...

Thanks a lot for your post. It was absolutely helpful. I'm not quitting the online-game...I'm doing well, it's the Internet Marketing, driving traffic to a site, and acting as an affiliate. I understand paid routes. My biggest hang up was what kind of site to drive traffic to.

I understand it's one issue of converting on that landing page, combine that with the other issue of making sure that you obey advertisers rules is another.

Ahh..you know what, to be honest, it doesn't sound like I'm that lost =) I just need a push in the right direction, as I have some massive clouds over some crucial aspects. Once I clear these, I think I can crush it. THANK YOU. (your post was apparently chicken soup for my internetmarketing soul)

Originally Posted by JohnDBrewer

JamesMcCaferty,

Hey partner. You have posted to some of my threads in the past and I have run acrossed some of your posts elsewhere and I can tell that you are a legit kinda guy and straight up honest. I am with you in wanting to build a legit business and not have to do the shady stuff.

I am not personally doing any CPA offers myself but I did run across a CPA person by the name of NateBunger. He is here on the WarriorForum and from the WSO I bought from him and reviewed he seemed pretty legit as well but again I am not doing CPA offers.

Hope this helps.
John

Thanks a lot for your kind words, Good Luck to you!

Originally Posted by Edge88

I think you are right in saying lack of guidance. I tried all of this with lack of guidance and it took me some time to get it right. If you had good guidance you would have done better! But do your thing with SEO and your site. Then once you stabilize things find a coach/guide would be my advice, and explore since that's what you're looking for.

I scaled down the amount of SEO freelancing I was doing to learn and pursue IM. Learning and learning, turned into questions and questions. I'm really considering finding a mentor just so I can have a dedicated go-to when I come across some road blocks.

Originally Posted by Genycis

Hey James, don't let it all get to you and don't quit... no one says you have to go the shady route, and yeah, I can definitely understand the frustration of lack of guidance or thousands of warriors guiding you in all kinds of different directions. Just take it as suggestions but definitely feel out your own methods and routines, test and change, learn from what works and don't, and keep pushing forward.

There will always be debates, people that tell you one thing and others that say don't do that, do this, and others still that will try to sell you the shirt off your back and tell you how you need it to stay warm in cold temperatures that don't even exist where you live, yadda yadda.

CPAs, I only tried to apply for one and didn't get approved, but I wasn't worrying about it... maybe later I'll try CPA again, but I don't feel it's something I'm going to do. Affiliate sales, I was going to attempt to try this method with review sites, but with Google's big changes coming up, I may not fair off as well as I hoped, but I may still try it anyway and hope for the best... succeed, great, fail, move on.

Product creation... just tried my 2nd hand at it with another ebook. I sold a few of my first but nothing major at all... but still trying my 2nd, and maybe a 3rd. If it works, great... if not, then I'll have to move on.

My point is, don't give up, but instead, try different angles and such. If you have a special niche that you're an expert in, you can do greater than someone touching the waters hoping to find a big catch. Don't give up though, and definitely don't let the lack of guidance or misguidance steer you off. Persistence will prevail. Wish you the best of success.

That was a great post. Seriously. I didn't expect this thread to be full of genuine positivity. I'm reignited to get my IM gloves on, and get back in the ring.

Originally Posted by WriterWahm

I don't get it. If you do SEO, isn't internet marketing supposed to be a way to increase more exposure for your business? What you are talking about (promoting other people's stuff) is only ONE aspect of internet marketing known as affiliate marketing. Which you can incorporate by getting other people to promote your services for a commission.

I don't consider SEO internet marketing. SEO helps you rank higher in search engines. Internet marketing (imo) has to do specifically with driving traffic to offers. One way of doing it is through SEO.

That said, I am looking for something more passive, like IM, instead of active, like SEO.

Originally Posted by Exel

If you know and do SEO for other people why can't you do it for yourself on your own sites?

Pick a niche or a product, build a site, work on SEO and start selling. It is a known and
well established internet marketing method for people who like doing SEO.

I think my biggest debacle with that was thatwhen it came time for site creation two weeks ago, I was feeling burnout. Loads of other work. I think you're absolutely right. The truth of the matter is, I wanted to move to a paid traffic model, not an SEO model.

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JamesMcCaferty 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Miranda

Do not give up! The next step could land you success.

Thanks Steve!
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Genycis

12 years ago

Originally Posted by JamesMcCaferty

That was a great post. Seriously. I didn't expect this thread to be full of genuine positivity. I'm reignited to get my IM gloves on, and get back in the ring.

Glad to hear that James! When you're ready to throw in the towel, know that we're all here to squirt the water in your face and get you back into that ring! Lol

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- absoluteallen 12 years ago
  
  Thanks James, come again. No reason why anyone should beg you to stay. C'ya!
  
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  nicolelwriting 12 years ago
  
  Hi there,
  
  I see that you're already in SEO which is a part of internet marketing within itself. You see the thing is that internet marketing is a huge category with many branches and options. I think that you should consider finding a mentor who can help you get back on the right path. You know the difference from right and wrong, and although I don't know you, you do sound like a person who has good intent with your business.
  
  Currently I have a mentor who is helping me gain a better understanding of how internet marketing works and how to use my skills related to marketing.
  
  I think if you can't find a mentor then acquaintances who are doing well within their field and maybe they can help you get back on track.
  
  I wish you the best of luck in your business.
  
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Chrisbroholm

12 years ago

Basically you need to realize that IM isn't all about being shady, tricking people or anything. Its about being yourself to recommend products or services. With the way you describe yourself I would recommend you looking into affiliating actual products (eg. televisions and stuff) people buy these off the internet all the time, why not buy them through your recommendation?

I'm personally 100% white hat as well, I can't send out an email to my list recommending something i dont TRULY believe in. So many IM'ers have no problem spamming my inbox with useless offers that only seek to prey on the noobs with information publically available just dressed up a bit, that hardly ever works.

So I made the decision to only affiliate products I believe are good, create my own high quality products and also focus a lot on physical products, which people need, buy and research all the time.

Don't quit man, just find yourself and ignore all the shady, blackhat stuff.

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jerryp

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Chrisbroholm

Basically you need to realize that IM isn't all about being shady, tricking people or anything. Its about being yourself to recommend products or services. With the way you describe yourself I would recommend you looking into affiliating actual products (eg. televisions and stuff) people buy these off the internet all the time, why not buy them through your recommendation?

I'm personally 100% white hat as well, I can't send out an email to my list recommending something i dont TRULY believe in. So many IM'ers have no problem spamming my inbox with useless offers that only seek to prey on the noobs with information publically available just dressed up a bit, that hardly ever works.

So I made the decision to only affiliate products I believe are good, create my own high quality products and also focus a lot on physical products, which people need, buy and research all the time.

Don't quit man, just find yourself and ignore all the shady, blackhat stuff.

I agree with the "white hat" statements above. However it goes beyond that. All of the SEO in the world doesn't make a site successful. A lot of traffic is great but what makes people want to buy? As affiliates our job is to pre-sell and that means not being too salesy and building trust. You have to genuinely want to help people fix their problems to make them convert to buyers.

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gojiberryman

12 years ago

Originally Posted by JamesMcCaferty

Okay.

I've just about had it with Internet Marketing. I have been an SEO freelancer for several years. I was looking to move to internet marketing, as a more passive means of income.
While I have had some MAJOR successes in the past month, it hasn't been with internet marketing. So even though I am making money online, it's NOT through internet marketing.

I've been accepted to CPA networks, but I am then left wondering how to best market them. Trying to research leads to countless "get-rich-quick" garbage (I'm trying to start a new business, not fly-by-night) or "affiliate" information (there something that isn't credible about someone making their living online from teaching others to make their living online (need results).

I've also seen loads of rule-breakers. Using iframes here or there, or doing a bait and switch with facebook fan pages, just to get their CPA offers approved. I've literally gotten advice on how to dupe CPA networks and google just to stay approved.

I really believe my issue has been lack of proper guidance. There is apparently a load of rubbish out there for those wanting to get involved in internet marketing.

I wanted to promote CPA offers or affiliate ebooks. I will opt for a coach in the future, because I just couldn't find the formula for success, and am putting internet marketing on the back burner, and focusing back on SEO, and my subscription site.

Much respect to anyone that makes an honest living through internet marketing.

I'm not sure if you have ever heard of the phrase "the money is in the list" but this quote stands true and will always be the number one way to make money online. What I think you should do is do research on how to build your very own personal squeeze page.

Once you have done that you are going to want to sign up for a PRO account with trafficswarm.com and a platinum account a listbonus.com. After you sign up you are going to want to advertise your squeeze page/newsletter to the thousands of subscribers that are at hand. The reason why building a list is so important is because you can manipulate it in any way you want.

My advice would be that once you have your subscribers signing up make sure that you offer them FREE resources and information for a good 3 months before advertising an affiliate link or business opportunity to them. The next step is to repeat the process. This very method has changed the lives of many of the most successful internet entrepreneurs of today. Trust me, it works.

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WebPen

12 years ago

Originally Posted by gojiberryman

My advice would be that once you have your subscribers signing up make sure that you offer them FREE resources and information for a good 3 months before advertising an affiliate link or business opportunity to them.

Hmmmm... not sure if I agree with this.

If you were running a McDonalds and gave customers free burgers for 3 months before you started asking for money-how would your business survive?

Plus- what if these people are not buyers? You spend 3 months giving them tons of great info, just to find out none of them will spend a dime?

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JamesMcCaferty

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Chrisbroholm

Basically you need to realize that IM isn't all about being shady, tricking people or anything. Its about being yourself to recommend products or services. With the way you describe yourself I would recommend you looking into affiliating actual products (eg. televisions and stuff) people buy these off the internet all the time, why not buy them through your recommendation?

I'm personally 100% white hat as well, I can't send out an email to my list recommending something i dont TRULY believe in. So many IM'ers have no problem spamming my inbox with useless offers that only seek to prey on the noobs with information publically available just dressed up a bit, that hardly ever works.

So I made the decision to only affiliate products I believe are good, create my own high quality products and also focus a lot on physical products, which people need, buy and research all the time.

Don't quit man, just find yourself and ignore all the shady, blackhat stuff.

Thanks for the suggestion and the response - Very much appreciated!

Originally Posted by jerryp

I agree with the "white hat" statements above. However it goes beyond that. All of the SEO in the world doesn't make a site successful. A lot of traffic is great but what makes people want to buy? As affiliates our job is to pre-sell and that means not being too salesy and building trust. You have to genuinely want to help people fix their problems to make them convert to buyers.

No doubt.

Originally Posted by gojiberryman

I'm not sure if you have ever heard of the phrase "the money is in the list" but this quote stands true and will always be the number one way to make money online. What I think you should do is do research on how to build your very own personal squeeze page.

Once you have done that you are going to want to sign up for a PRO account with trafficswarm.com and a platinum account a listbonus.com. After you sign up you are going to want to advertise your squeeze page/newsletter to the thousands of subscribers that are at hand. The reason why building a list is so important is because you can manipulate it in any way you want.

My advice would be that once you have your subscribers signing up make sure that you offer them FREE resources and information for a good 3 months before advertising an affiliate link or business opportunity to them. The next step is to repeat the process. This very method has changed the lives of many of the most successful internet entrepreneurs of today. Trust me, it works.

Thanks so much for the advice. I never thought of it that way. Very interesting indeed. I imagine this would work well with affiliate products, like ebooks and membership subs.

Originally Posted by Genycis

Glad to hear that James! When you're ready to throw in the towel, know that we're all here to squirt the water in your face and get you back into that ring! Lol

Thanks Man!

Originally Posted by Justin Stowe

Hmmmm... not sure if I agree with this.

If you were running a McDonalds and gave customers free burgers for 3 months before you started asking for money-how would your business survive?

Plus- what if these people are not buyers? You spend 3 months giving them tons of great info, just to find out none of them will spend a dime?

I agree with that. I would think of possibly split testing into two groups.

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savyeman

12 years ago

Originally Posted by JamesMcCaferty

Okay.

I've just about had it with Internet Marketing. I have been an SEO freelancer. I was looking to move to internet marketing, as a more passive means of income.
While I have had some MAJOR successes in the past month, it hasn't been with internet marketing. So even though I am making money online, it's NOT through internet marketing.

I've been accepted to CPA networks, but I am then left wondering how to best market them. Trying to research leads to countless "get-rich-quick" garbage (I'm trying to start a new business, not fly-by-night) or "affiliate" information (there something that isn't credible about someone making their living online from teaching others to make their living online (need results).

I've also seen loads of rule-breakers. Using iframes here or there, or doing a bait and switch with facebook fan pages, just to get their CPA offers approved. I've literally gotten advice on how to dupe CPA networks and google just to stay approved.

I really believe my issue has been lack of proper guidance. There is apparently a load of rubbish out there for those wanting to get involved in internet marketing.

I wanted to promote CPA offers or affiliate ebooks. I will opt for a coach in the future, because I just couldn't find the formula for success, and am putting internet marketing on the back burner, and focusing back on SEO, and my subscription site.

Much respect to anyone that makes an honest living through internet marketing.

You should just keep it simple. Create information products. This is why people come online for information.

YOu can learn from Jason Fladlien how to do this and make a killing.

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harrymcclaire

12 years ago

As a friend : Dont, hang in there.

As an IM selling IM products : Dont, just try my product and you will be RICH!

As an IM in other niche : GO, so i dont have competition!

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