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Anyone else notice...

by Curtis2011
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That in the internet marketing world, the people involved are made up of:

About 80% noobs just asking to be scammed as they buy product after product looking for a get-rich-quick scheme.

About 18% scammers who will lie their asses off to scam the 80%, knowing that they will keep buying the next piece of regurgitated crap in a box over and over even though they never make money from it.

About 2% real successes who build actual businesses without resorting to scamming people.

I just feel like this is the general layout of the internet marketing community as a whole, especially when it comes to people selling "how to make money online" courses.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    Did you know that 82% of people that use statistics to make a point just make them up on the spot? :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      It seems to me there are a group of marketers who have actual advertising needs and wants and use the internet as an advertising medium, and then there are those who for some reason think you can take an advertising medium and turn it into a ATM where money magically appears.

      Since that second group appears to want that nonsense to become a reality there is a group of people who cater to those fantasies.

      What is really perplexing, is why the people who want the fantasy complain about the people who cater to those dreams of easy money. They ask to have reasons to keep believing, and other people are more than happy to play along.

      Here's what you won't find...

      People who have a real business who use the internet to get their offers in front of eyeballs complaining about the dream merchants and calling them scammers.

      Do you know why?

      Because in their world they are focused on their customers and their businesses and not on "buying their way into internet marketing".

      So basically, if you (generic you) don't have a reason to advertise on the internet don't be buying products that are tailored to Biz Op seekers.

      And try to keep in mind that you aren't an "Internet Marketer" just because you keep buying MMO products. You become an Internet Marketer by...wait for it...marketing on the internet. Which means using the internet as an advertising medium.

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      • Profile picture of the author wtd1
        Number seem about right.

        Whenever you read a post that says 'Please review my landing page" on here it's almost always a landing page for another $x7 ebook on ebook marketing. It's kind of like being in an internet marketing hall of mirrors.

        It's almost never for an actual product.

        I guess the people that actually sell things already know what they're doing. Quite a few people here tho' who actually sell stuff and give good advice for selling, on the internet or off. I've found very good information n here for regarding ad copy, layout and especially where to focus that's hard to find elsewhere, or at least anyplace else I've ever looked.
        Easy enough to cull the hucksters and separate the flotsam from the jetsam if you pay atention.
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        • Profile picture of the author WhamSoft
          It's all about supply and demand.

          I see the point you're trying to make but I think your numbers are way off!

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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Originally Posted by wtd1 View Post

          Whenever you read a post that says 'Please review my landing page" on here it's almost always a landing page for another ebook on ebook marketing. It's kind of like being in an internet marketing hall of mirrors.

          It's almost never for an actual product.
          If you see review requests in main discussion for IM-type products, please report them. We consider those to be ads.

          If it's for something one wouldn't reasonably expect a lot of people here to be prospects for, we treat it as a legitimate review request.

          Such requests in the copywriting or web design sections are handled differently. Those folks are a bit more savvy about how they treat review requests, and there are legitimate reasons to ask there, even if it's a product that might be popular in an "IM" forum.


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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Meaney
        Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

        Which means using the internet as an advertising medium.

        ~Bill
        Couldn't agree more Bill. I think there's some confusion about "Internet marketing" being sold as a business model - when in reality it's just a small part (albeit an important one) of starting and maintaining a business.
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  • Profile picture of the author JimMichael
    Also, 98% of statistics are wrong.
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  • Profile picture of the author ramblingrye
    I see your point. But I don't have anything against people who make a business out of selling knowledge that they purportedly have. I mean, that's their business - their marketing their internet marketing "prowess". Peddling knowledge and information happens all the time. It's also the consumer's responsibility to spend their hard-earned money wisely.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    95% of the 80% are not just newbies getting scammed. They are people who are fooling themselves into believing that they will actually do something with the information they buy. :rolleyes:

    The Lesson: I can make up stats on the fly also. :p
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  • Profile picture of the author David Sneen
    Of course, the real question is, what do you have to do to become one of the miniscule number of people who have a real business, where everyone wins? That is the question people should ask...not questions about percentages or how to scam newbies.
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  • Profile picture of the author James B
    I dont know where you get your numbers, but just understand that the internet success thing, is like working out. You build daily habits, and tweaks to focus on your skills. Such as losing weight.


    A get rich quick event, happens to be 10 years in the making prior to any level of success. It doesn`t happen all in one day.

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    • Profile picture of the author Curtis2011
      Lol I like how everyone has crucified my made-up numbers.

      Yes, I know they are made up and not accurate. But I think my point remains! There are a lot of scammers out there.

      Also, I am not criticizing the people who followed something like: 1) Sell real products with good internet marketing, then 2) Sell products about how you used the internet marketing to do so. I think internet marketing products are great when the seller actually used the method they are selling to sell something other than just more internet marketing courses.

      I guess what I am criticizing is the people who learn a few things about internet marketing or SEO or whatever, and then immediately try to create their first business by selling "how to make money" courses. When in reality, they themselves have never actually sold a "real" product before, so they don't even really have prior results to back up their claims.

      But regardless, this topic was mostly created out of my boredom and interest in reading yalls thoughts.

      Originally Posted by James B View Post

      I dont know where you get your numbers, but just understand that the internet success thing, is like working out. You build daily habits, and tweaks to focus on your skills. Such as losing weight.
      Lol speaking of losing weight, I actually have found a "get-results-quick" product that helped me lose 25 lbs in about 90 days with no work involved at all. I was so impressed with it that I decided to make my next affiliate site to sell the product via Amazon even though it's not the most profitable product I could be selling.

      Originally Posted by James B View Post

      A get rich quick event, happens to be 10 years in the making prior to any level of success. It doesn`t happen all in one day.
      Very true.
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  • Profile picture of the author paul nicholls
    i know curtis`s stats may not be 100% accurate but based on everything ive seen and done in the last 4 years i actually wouldnt say he is too far off

    there are a lot of newbies that come to the internet trying to make a quick buck to pay for some bills

    there are a fair few amount of scammers that use fake screen shots, make up numbers and basically just rip people off

    and there are also some legit marketers out there which do have a real business, create great products and really actually help people

    i would say though that its slightly more than 2% but again it doesnt really matter as we arnt just talking about numbers

    i find that a lot of internet marketing is "the blind leading the blind"

    rather than learn yourself through trial and error a lot of people just teach what they have been taught themselves and not through actual experiences and failures. But lets not get into that i will be here for hours lol

    I often look at IM the same as weight loss

    just look at how many new people come to the internet each and every day looking to lose weight and buy into all this crap like **** berry etc

    they are hungry for information and solutions so people create weight loss products and garbage pills to flog for these hungry customers with credit cards in hand

    but you dont see people saying that weight loss is a scam lol

    of course i dont agree with preying on newbies and all that nonsense but i dont like it when people put down IM because there are actually many legit guys out there actually trying to help other guys to improve there business and to make more money

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