Should I trust this guy and pay him $57?

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Keep Trying

I'm sorry to write this, but something seems a little off and I need your opinion...

I've been pretty much going "door-to-door" on the internet to try and get reviews for my e-book that helps people focus better in exchange for a testimonial.

About three days ago, I came across a man who said he would be willing to review my e-book.

His name was (Blank, Blank).

He had a common American name. He seemed very nice and wrote me a glowing testimonial. His grammar was a bit off, but I figured that he just had trouble writing.

I enthusiastically thanked him for helping me with the testimonial, and he enthusiastically thanked me back. He was always eagerly waiting for my next response.

Before going on with my way, he made an offer to me. He offered to do a banner advertisement on his health blog for 7 months for only USD $47.

Since he helped me out, I decided to go for it. After all, I had made a few sales in the past days, and wanted to help another person out. Plus $47 for 7 months of advertisement wasn't so bad.

I asked him two questions next.

How much traffic was he getting to his website and if he could make a banner advertisement for me.

Within a few hours, he responded, saying that he was receiving 30+ visitors per day with a chance of getting 150 to 300 daily visitors. He also said that he could do the banner advertisement for me, but that it would cost an extra $10, coming out to $57 total.

I sort of cringed at all of this, but I was pretty much "pot committed" at this point. So I thought what the heck, just go with it. I asked him to send me a PayPal invoice because I wanted to pay by credit card.

After taking a shower, and coming back to the computer (which is now), I opened up my email.

I get a message from "him".

He says he doesn't know what a PayPal invoice is because he usually just gives his PayPal address to his clients for them to make a payment.

He kindly asks me to help him with this and thanks me again. He adds a smiley face at the end of his last sentence.

A few minutes later there is another email address.

I open it up. It's a PayPal invoice.

It says:

You've received an invoice.

Hello How To Focus Better,

(Blank, Blank, Blank) has sent you an invoice for $57.00 USD.

Note from (Blank, Blank, Blank)

It is me, Blank Blank from website.com. Thank you (my name).

The only thing is Blank, Blank and Blank, Blank, Blank are two completely different names. What's even more weird, is that Blank, Blank, Blank does not sound like an American name -- at all.

Should I trust this guy and pay him the $57? What would you do next?

Personally I would not take up the offer. I would do a bit more due diligence around the quality of his traffic sources, statistics etc as its easy to fake them. You can talk to him over Skype as well?

Good luck!

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xxxJamesxxx

11 years ago

He's obviously not who he says he is. If you want to do business with somebody like that then go for it but I know what I'd do...

James Scholes

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182 11 years ago

You do need to be really careful with things like this as its easy to get scammed. You should email him back and ask him why his name differs.

He might be genuine and offer out free testimonials to then get sales from advertising but you should be certain of his claims first.

If your not confident just politely decline.
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Adrian Int 11 years ago

Originally Posted by xxxJamesxxx

He's obviously not who he says he is. If you want to do business with somebody like that then go for it but I know what I'd do...

James Scholes

James is a wise man.

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Yoyok179

11 years ago

yeah, if we have friend on the internet, doesn't mean every person is bad or good guys
I think you already run with another project so I am sure you can value him

I also have great friend, in somewhere, doing big transaction,
we just trust each ohers
But I need you to be carefull

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ErikNilsson

11 years ago

Just check his blog and it stats if you are comfortable with it just pay him....

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Ian McConnell

11 years ago

I would just ask him and make a decision on the reply. Don't put too much emphasis on testimonials though, as people are very savvy today and know that they can be easily manipulated. I sold over 1,000 copies of an ebook without any testimonials on the sales page.

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Exel

11 years ago

If it's just the name you shouldn't be worried. Many people are using different names on
the internet for various reason. Doesn't mean they are dishonest, it's just a convenience
thing. If his blog looks legit and if you want to advertise there then go for it.

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DigitalDanny 11 years ago

Start with a whois check on the domain name.
Then bring up the question to him about the different names.
About the different names on the paypal invoice and the name given to you. There is many that use different names over the net so i wouldnt be to worried about that.

At the end it's your feelings about if its right or wrong if you should go for this offer.
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Michael Meaney

11 years ago

As Exel has mentioned, people use pen names all the time, it could be as simple as that. Everyone is entitled to their privacy.

You have some level of protection with Paypal, but do make sure he is verified.

If I was in your situation I would be wondering what kind of return the $57 investment will give you. It's not a small loss, maybe worth a punt, but don't buy something you don't need for your business, just to be nice to someone or because you feel like you owe them one.

You don't owe him anything for the testimonial... if the product is as good as he says it is, then you're all square because you've already given him a valuable ebook.

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MaryPabalates

Banned 11 years ago

You can check in search engine also, "put his website name" in google, + complain, scam and other related name associated with that guy.... I'm sure you would be able to identify the truth...

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wizzard74

11 years ago

Even so, you're still entitled to ask why his name is different.

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Simon Ashari

11 years ago

Have you had a look at the site in question?

Does it look trustworthy? If he is talking about 300 potential visitors that doesn't mean much at all.

Usually if you have to ask whether something is trustworthy... it is best to avoid it.

-Simon

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traderfx 11 years ago

It all depends...

I recently had to setup a business too an old paypal account and could not take
an old name off takes 5-7 business days, after you give them new contact details.

But go with your gut feeling.
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Shaolinsteve

11 years ago

I had an Internet Marketing coach, who turned out to be ver genuine. But he did mention to me that when running Affiliate sites, he would often put himself under a different name. I see this with a lot of sites, so it can cause some mislead, however with his bigger projects he promotes as his REAL name.

If your already making sales from the Traffic, build up the relationship more and just ask for a genuine voice chat via Skype or something. Take it from there...

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braincandy7

11 years ago

Why 7 months? It's an odd number. I would have expected him to say 1,2,3,6,12 months.

It's also a lot to commit to upfront without testing. $10 for a header is not a bad price if its reasonable quality. Why not go back to him and suggest a much more reasonable 1 month tester. Working out the price accordingly. How do the headers and graphics on his site look as well?

At worst you possibly get a header which you can use in future advertising and waste a little on the ad.

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Kevin Thomas

11 years ago

1st thing first get a contract set up
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Im not to worried about the name...It could be a pen name. Also using a contract will fix that issue if you put the terms in
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traffic
Im also not worried...

the numbers are okay for the price imo. but you need to put something in the contract to make sure he keeps doing whatever he does on the site for 7 months so he cant just bail and leave you paying for an ad spot on a throw away site.

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Richard Van

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Keep Trying

Within a few hours, he responded, saying that he was receiving 30+ visitors per day with a chance of getting 150 to 300 daily visitors. He also said that he could do the banner advertisement for me, but that it would cost an extra $10, coming out to $57 total.

He gets 30+ visitors a day with the chance to get 150-300 a day?

What does that mean?

Isn't that same as a site with 5 visitors but it has the chance to get a 1000?

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daniel27lt

11 years ago

Do not in no way pay him, its a scam. Even if he has a site it's most likely no good as no one changes that price for that much traffic coming from there site to yours. Plus if someone online states that there English and seem's to be a smart person (as runing and creating websites, software etc), and cannot write basic english correct, they are lying.

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Richard Van

11 years ago

Originally Posted by daniel27lt

Plus if someone online states that there English and seem's to be a smart person (as runing and creating websites, software etc), and cannot write basic english correct, they are lying.

So anyone who has learning difficulties, dyslexia, English as a second language etc but considers themselves to be English or from an English speaking country, is a liar?

Can I assume from your post you don't live in an English speaking country?

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daniel27lt

11 years ago

Also $57 worth of ad via a advertising network such as Google or Facebook, you would see more valuable traffic that you what.

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erichammer

11 years ago

Never mind the question of whether the guy is shady or not. The numbers seem pretty low to justify paying that much for an ad. Yes, it's a long period of time, but 25-30 visitors a day means in reality there are probably around 5-10 a day. You have to account for search spiders and spam bots visiting to post automated links along with his own visits. It's simply not a whole heck of a lot of traffic...

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Auver Raza

11 years ago

$57 is not a lot of money but you're still making a media buy. When it comes to the information marketing business (and any other business), it's always about positive ROI.

Do your due diligence and try to find out more about the statistics and demographics of his site. Then make a calculation, do you think you'll make more than $57 from the traffic coming from that banner?

If yes, move ahead. If no, keep looking for other traffic sources for your offer.

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WebPen

11 years ago

Since it's through PayPal, I actually think it's fairly safe.

PayPal takes the side of the customer 95% of the time, and if the guy doesn't deliver the service you purchased, get your money back!

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erichammer

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Justin Stowe

Since it's through PayPal, I actually think it's fairly safe.

PayPal takes the side of the customer 95% of the time, and if the guy doesn't deliver the service you purchased, get your money back!

Not for a purchase of virtual goods. In those cases, there is no buyer protection available at all.

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Black Hat Cat

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Justin Stowe

Since it's through PayPal, I actually think it's fairly safe.

PayPal takes the side of the customer 95% of the time, and if the guy doesn't deliver the service you purchased, get your money back!

You couldn't be more wrong, lol.

Should I trust this guy and pay him the $57? What would you do next?

Do you have an affiliate program? If so, have him join and use that banner space to promote it. If his traffic is worth a crap, he'll make more that way than he would selling you that space for $8 a month.

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Chips Fletcher

11 years ago

Basically, if you are that unsure about him and his proposal then trust your instincts and look elsewhere

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puneetas3

11 years ago

Its simple. Ask for his phone number via email and say that you want to discuss a point or two about the design of banner. things will be clear then.

Another point is, maybe he isn't a US citizen and has a US paypal account. What the heck anybody outside US can get paypal accounts based in USA and verify them for free (both bank account and credit card. I myself have a couple of them for my personal use with fake USA identity).

But the point is he may be outside US (since he is asking to low for advertising), but can still help you out with a banner on his site. Make a payment for Goods to him. If he don't work within 15 days, chargeback and tell Paypal you ordered a blah blah(physical good) which was not delivered.

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gamzu

11 years ago

This looks a little like scam, but what you could do is actually ask him to produce the material - the banner and all that, place it on the site and then tell him that you will pay

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CharismaticMannequin

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Keep Trying

I'm sorry to write this, but something seems a little off and I need your opinion...

I've been pretty much going "door-to-door" on the internet to try and get reviews for my e-book that helps people focus better in exchange for a testimonial.

About three days ago, I came across a man who said he would be willing to review my e-book.

His name was (Blank, Blank).

He had a common American name. He seemed very nice and wrote me a glowing testimonial. His grammar was a bit off, but I figured that he just had trouble writing.

I enthusiastically thanked him for helping me with the testimonial, and he enthusiastically thanked me back. He was always eagerly waiting for my next response.

Before going on with my way, he made an offer to me. He offered to do a banner advertisement on his health blog for 7 months for only USD $47.

Since he helped me out, I decided to go for it. After all, I had made a few sales in the past days, and wanted to help another person out. Plus $47 for 7 months of advertisement wasn't so bad.

I asked him two questions next.

How much traffic was he getting to his website and if he could make a banner advertisement for me.

Within a few hours, he responded, saying that he was receiving 30+ visitors per day with a chance of getting 150 to 300 daily visitors. He also said that he could do the banner advertisement for me, but that it would cost an extra $10, coming out to $57 total.

I sort of cringed at all of this, but I was pretty much "pot committed" at this point. So I thought what the heck, just go with it. I asked him to send me a PayPal invoice because I wanted to pay by credit card.

After taking a shower, and coming back to the computer (which is now), I opened up my email.

I get a message from "him".

He says he doesn't know what a PayPal invoice is because he usually just gives his PayPal address to his clients for them to make a payment.

He kindly asks me to help him with this and thanks me again. He adds a smiley face at the end of his last sentence.

A few minutes later there is another email address.

I open it up. It's a PayPal invoice.

It says:

You've received an invoice.

Hello How To Focus Better,

(Blank, Blank, Blank) has sent you an invoice for $57.00 USD.

Note from (Blank, Blank, Blank)

It is me, Blank Blank from website.com. Thank you (my name).

The only thing is Blank, Blank and Blank, Blank, Blank are two completely different names. What's even more weird, is that Blank, Blank, Blank does not sound like an American name -- at all.

Should I trust this guy and pay him the $57? What would you do next?

Trust your gut. It's one of the most reliable indicators in my experience. If your instincts are telling you not to trust someone, they're probably right, unless this person's given you absolutely no cause for concern.

Good luck with the product!

Ben.

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Keep Trying

11 years ago

Hey thanks for everyone's responses, but my gut feeling says that I don't trust this guy...

He's probably waiting for me to email him back because I haven't paid the invoice yet, which is still sitting in my inbox. Now I'm in a sticky situation.

Should I just avoid the email or should I write back saying that I'm not interested anymore? If so, how can I politely decline his offer even when I was the one who told him that I was interested in his offer?

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Fernando Veloso

11 years ago

What you have to decide is: Business wise, it's a good option or not?

if yes, go for it, if not, ba bye. But please, stop wasting time over it and decide what to do with your business.

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11 years ago

Never deal with frauds. Don't deviate from this rule

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Stephen and Jennifer

11 years ago

Hi Keep Trying,

My recommendation is don't trust him and I will tell you why. Firstly 30 visitors a day to a website isn't nearly enough for anyone to have an online business and secondly you say his grammar is bad making me suspect he might be a Nigerian spammer or one from Ghana or somewhere else, and not the USA?

Also $57 is not what I would charge if I had the time to do this which I don't. I would charge more but as I am far too busy running my own business, it is not something I am able to do. And finally, he does not have a PayPal account which is suspicious to say the least?

I create almost everything myself only because I like to be able to make changes without paying more to have them done and also because I have full control and can make changes faster.

Regards,

Stephen & Jennifer.

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tpw

11 years ago

Generally, you should not give money to anyone you do not trust.

And since you posted this thread, you obviously don't trust this person.

Follow your gut, and opt out of this deal.

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seobro

11 years ago

I don't usually give one word answers, but here it comes.
NO!

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NACAdam

11 years ago

I dunno I say go with your gut on this one. I mean the whole scenario seems sketchy and if 57 bucks is taking food off the table then no that not a good idea...Bro for $57 in FB fanpage ad budget you could easily get 10,000 targeted fans ready to by your **** seriously ...Let me know if you are interested in finding out how

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mosthost

11 years ago

Originally Posted by NACAdam

I dunno I say go with your gut on this one. I mean the whole scenario seems sketchy and if 57 bucks is taking food off the table then no that not a good idea...Bro for $57 in FB fanpage ad budget you could easily get 10,000 targeted fans ready to by your **** seriously ...Let me know if you are interested in finding out how

If you waste $57 it takes 'food you could have bought' off the table, no matter how rich you are.

The dude changed names mid-stream. It won't get better than that!

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sbucciarel

Banned 11 years ago

Based on the info you gave us, I wouldn't trust him. I wouldn't pay the invoice or do business with him. I also wouldn't pay for a banner ad on a site that gets 30 visits per day.

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Mike Ogbin

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Keep Trying

I'm sorry to write this, but something seems a little off and I need your opinion...

I've been pretty much going "door-to-door" on the internet to try and get reviews for my e-book that helps people focus better in exchange for a testimonial.

About three days ago, I came across a man who said he would be willing to review my e-book.

His name was (Blank, Blank).

He had a common American name. He seemed very nice and wrote me a glowing testimonial. His grammar was a bit off, but I figured that he just had trouble writing.

I enthusiastically thanked him for helping me with the testimonial, and he enthusiastically thanked me back. He was always eagerly waiting for my next response.

Before going on with my way, he made an offer to me. He offered to do a banner advertisement on his health blog for 7 months for only USD $47.

Since he helped me out, I decided to go for it. After all, I had made a few sales in the past days, and wanted to help another person out. Plus $47 for 7 months of advertisement wasn't so bad.

I asked him two questions next.

How much traffic was he getting to his website and if he could make a banner advertisement for me.

Within a few hours, he responded, saying that he was receiving 30+ visitors per day with a chance of getting 150 to 300 daily visitors. He also said that he could do the banner advertisement for me, but that it would cost an extra $10, coming out to $57 total.

I sort of cringed at all of this, but I was pretty much "pot committed" at this point. So I thought what the heck, just go with it. I asked him to send me a PayPal invoice because I wanted to pay by credit card.

After taking a shower, and coming back to the computer (which is now), I opened up my email.

I get a message from "him".

He says he doesn't know what a PayPal invoice is because he usually just gives his PayPal address to his clients for them to make a payment.

He kindly asks me to help him with this and thanks me again. He adds a smiley face at the end of his last sentence.

A few minutes later there is another email address.

I open it up. It's a PayPal invoice.

It says:

You've received an invoice.

Hello How To Focus Better,

(Blank, Blank, Blank) has sent you an invoice for $57.00 USD.

Note from (Blank, Blank, Blank)

It is me, Blank Blank from website.com. Thank you (my name).

The only thing is Blank, Blank and Blank, Blank, Blank are two completely different names. What's even more weird, is that Blank, Blank, Blank does not sound like an American name -- at all.

Should I trust this guy and pay him the $57? What would you do next?

If you don't trust him 100%, just talk to them in skype or email him/her ask for this instead of asking us; because noone don't know what he has in his mind except him.

In you case you are still skeptical, don't deal with; means NOOOOO

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paul_1

11 years ago

I bet his real name is the one in the paypal invoice and his other name is just his web pen name something...

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Entrecon

11 years ago

I would suggest you go ahead and pay it. It will be a great lesson and reminder for you. I doubt it is a scam. I am sure he hasa health blog and will create and post your banner. The lesson will be that you shouldn't pay for ANY traffic until you figure out exactly what you are buying. You sound like you are worried about his name and location instead if the quality of the traffic he gets, how many banners will be in rotation or even what quality the banner would be!

I swear I would deposit funds into Charles Manson's prison account if I had a product that would appeal to his blog! Not that he blogs.

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SamFrankly84

11 years ago

I absolutely would not take this deal.

Even if it is just $57, it's not worth it. This guy sounds like the type that will eventually lead to hassle followed by headache, followed by problem and every other type of bad thing you don't want to associate you or your website with.

My skepticism lies in the fact that his English isn't so great and that his name is different. That, coupled with the fact that he needed help with Paypal, leads me to believe either he isn't who he says he is or he's a good deal younger than he has made himself out to be.

The only thing that would make me go through with this deal is the question of whether or not he plans to sell his website and whether or not he is working to increase the traffic to his blog. If yes to both of these, I might go through with paying him.

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Rod Cortez

11 years ago

Two words come to mind:

Hell no!

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jasono

11 years ago

His moves are weird. I'd say no. And don't get scammed by that kind of scheme. Also, do not just ask and believe, ask some proof.

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James B

11 years ago

Sounds a bit fishy, and red flags.

I would start running the opposite way.

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PaulyC

11 years ago

You could give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe he didn't know how to make an invoice and he figured it out when you asked - it seems as though your interactions with him went well for the most part. He says he's getting 30+ visits per day and that you could receive over 100 - sounds weird to me and strictly on that oddity I'd pull out.

I always say that if something/someone gives you that "gut feeling" that something isn't right, then usually you're right. It's a small transaction, so he shouldn't care too much if you decide that it's not right for you.

Take care of YOU and YOUR business first and foremost.

Good luck!

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John Baron

11 years ago

sounds fishy and there are so many scammers out there.. i vote NO

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celente

11 years ago

If these guys are hard to contact I would careful.

The price is ok, but the traffic is prob not all that great for what you are paying. Just saying.

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oleo

11 years ago

It seems a little shady, but it may be legit. Make sure you do some research on the guy.

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Keep Trying

11 years ago

Thanks everyone for your suggestions. This issue is resolved now.

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Centurian

11 years ago

Run, don't walk to the nearest exit.

Not worth it anyway.

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the_icon

11 years ago

If you want to waste your money then fire ahead.

It sounds like the guy was basically striking up a friendship to hit you with an offer. People that do that more often than not turn out to have no conversion rate, that is why he is trying to monetize you.

That is just one of the ways that unethical people try and scam people out of money. The guy is obviously a newbie judging by him saying that he only has 30 visitors a day. If he was a pro scammer then he would have claimed much more.

I recently took a WF member up on an offer for an ad on his front page which has 350k visitors per month. I think people will know who I am on about because they likely got the same offer. And guess what, not one signup. I am not saying he is a scammer because he has too much presence for that but the quality sucked. But it was cheap enough so why not.

Avoid him like the plague and try a solo ad or something.

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Richard Van

11 years ago

I think now would be a nice time to read post #53 where the OP says the issue has now been resolved.

That way you don't have to reply making it obvious you've read the OP then skimmed the entire thread.

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DianaHeuser

11 years ago

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Originally Posted by Richard Van

I think now would be a nice time to read post #53 where the OP says the issue has now been resolved.

That way you don't have to reply making it obvious you've read the OP then skimmed the entire thread.

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Should I trust this guy and pay him $57?

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