Spinning articles

Non-unique articles won't hurt your site, but they won't help it compared to unique articles either. Generally when multiple people post an article, the first to post it will receive the benefit and higher-ranking in search engines. If the article is spun, it will then be considered unique, thus providing greater benefit. Plus, some article directories require the article to be unique so if it isn't, it can't even be posted there.

With a spinner you can spin paragraphs, sentences and words so you can end up with many, many unique articles. Spinners are not perfect, and I am not a huge fan, but they can have some benefits.

I read an article somewhere that explained duplicate content rather clearly:

The same information multiple places on your site is duplicate content.
The same article spread around the internet is not duplicate content. (it is syndication)

As an example, what I read pointed to the Associated Press. One of their writers will create an article that will then get posted all over the place - that's the whole point of the AP! They do not try to create 900 versions of the same article. So why shouldn't you, an authority on your topic (we hope), use the same model?

Now it is true that you may not get the bot-juice from one good article submitted to 200 sites as you will from 200 crap articles submitted to 200 sites, but one good article will by itself drive traffic to you. If you are in it for the long haul, your reputation does matter.

You don't need a spinner, and in most cases, a spinner spits out garbage content. Even the best ones still do. It is almost impossible for a machine to understand the delicate intricacies of human speech and grammar.

There are some advantages like making more unique articles out of one, but I advise spinning manually so you control the variables rather than spinning through an automatic program.

Any recommendations on a great Article Spinner? The only one I've used is Unique Article Wizard.

Yeah most spinners suck. I used to hate them with a passion. First of all most create garbage. The ones that don't have to be worked through manually, and it is tedious and time consuming.

The Best Spinner is truly the best one out there, but like others have been saying you don't need it.

Spinners do go well with automated backlinking software like SEONukeX and SEOLinkVine and to me that is a valid reason to use them. You can get super spun articles from article builder which works well when used in conjunction with seonukex and seolinkvine.

Personally though I am not into seo or blogging so much anymore. The money is in building your list, product creation and having affiliates promote for you. If you focus on those three things I promise you will do well.

Hi Mick, if the thread's intended as a sort of "consideration of spinning", I can suggest six items to read through, which may help that ...

(i) This post explains the benefits of spinning;

(ii) This post, and its links, explain how article directories really work and why they exist;

(iii) The first half (or so) of this thread contains a good discussion of what you can gain from spinning articles;

(iv) The advice on this subject given by so many people throughout most of this thread has been helpful to many here;

(v) On the meaning and significance of "duplicate content", in this context, this little post from expert article marketer Anne Pottinger includes direct quotations from Google's WebMaster Central Blog on the subject (not easy to find a more authoritative source than that!);

(vi) This little article is also a very useful and accurate explanation of the subject.

Most spinners do suck. However, I would watch any product by Johnathan Ledger. He is the only one that seems to be spending time and money to fix that issue. I think he has the best spinners... haha.. get it?

Here's the thing. 10 unique articles, in my opinion, are better than an article with 9 spun versions.

If you spin an article, you need to rewrite the whole thing manually for it to be readable and of good quality. Otherwise, you have to use spinning software, which makes it unreadable and therefore bad quality. This can easily ruin your reputation.

The same amount of energy can be put into writing further unique articles. Once an article of yours exists, you don't need duplicates. That's what links and syndication are for.

It's just your opinion. My point is that 1000's right-spun articles are 100-times better than 10 "unique" ones.

If you're spinning you're spamming. Not to say it doesn't work, the quality-quantity argument will rage on forever. I personally go with quality, as it seems to last longer.

I have never spun an article in my life and I am doing just fine marketing-wise. Sometimes though, when I get super frustrated and bored with writing new content, I daydream about spinning a thousand articles for a year and be done with it. In that case, what are the best spinners?

I always try to re-summarize my content rather than spin it which is kinda the same thing. But at least I can control the human readability factor much better.

Article Spinning Is Crap!
We Should Just Write Our Articles Ourselves!

Ha ha, ok. It must be tough to sell your spinning plug in without giving any examples of spun articles.

Spintax is a language like Quidditch is a sport.

Did you say it about Spintax? Are you serious?

Spintax works in any language (English, Dutch, German, French, Russian, Hindi... doesn't matter). So I didn't get your point.

There is nothing to be sorry about. Really. Educate yourself and you'll be fine. Just believe me

P.S. I'm working online only since the end of 90s.

Most spun articles are crap.

BUT

Spun articles don't necessarily have to be crappy if you do them "by hand".

However, that takes an awful long time and its a lot of tedious boring work. With the way that SEO is going now, it seems your time is better spend writing killer articles that approach your topic from a unique viewpoint because these are the ones that other people are going to want to syndicate for you.

No one is going to want to put 10 versions of an article that say the same exact thing on their blog no matter how nicely it reads.

Lee

Unique content is always more valuable, even if it's lower quality and highly spun.

I think TBS would be a great tool for spinning but I think the best thing to do is to spin your article by rephrasing your sentences and not only the words. It's like a different article but on the same meaning.

With a spinner and a spun article you are basically saving time and money. To be honest, you don't need to do it. It has literally no effect on page ranking.

But you see, if your article in your site and in the article in the article directories linking back to your site contain the same article, your readers might get bored.

Pretty charts. And your earnings from that? Feedback on your content?

I ran a side by side experiment on 30 articles recently.
15 raw and 15 SEO optimized with very minor changes to the raw.

I was monitoring the result and found that google was indexing the optimized articles and market the raw articles to be too similar to be original content, so they didn't even allow the original content into their index.

My conclusion is - and I may be wrong - that Google looks for the best version of what it perceives to be original content. So if you take someone elses raw article, and optimize it , there is a good chance that you become the "leading" article....

I can not guarantee this to be the case, but I have some empirical evidence from my side-by-side test.

Me too

write your own damn articles! spun articles suck, and they don't work well at all. The only exception is if you rewrite articles yourself, software can't add the intelligent touch to writing. you can always spot a spun article because it looks like garbage.

that's the truth, don't waste your time. put the time in and produce your own content...or intelligently rewrite articles.

It seems every time a debate breaks out on spinning, the same confused logic appears as a rebuttal to anyone considering its use.

The three problems with talking about spinning on public forums are -

1 - Some people allow legal and ethical considerations to become confused with the practical applications.

2 - Some people are not understanding the practical applications to begin with, so introduce spinning to the equation and they become more confused.

3 - Some people are just confused, as a general and perpetual state of mind.

Simple flow of logic -

1 - If I have multiple versions of the same content published around the web, those considered 'duplicate' may be pushed into the supplemental index and will not pass the same back-link value.

If that statement can be considered fact, (it has been confirmed by Google) then the following conclusion can be drawn -

Making each of those multiple versions 'unique' would have prevented them from being dropped to the supplemental index and they would have passed full back-link value.

Now we need to explore their practical application, why they came to be and what the person who submitted them expected in return.

1 - The person submitting the content was fundamentally concerned with the quality of the article, and was looking for syndication and/or some direct traffic.

2 - The person submitting the content was looking for some value from the back-links.

3 - The person submitting the content wanted all of the above.

You can now make another logical assumption:

If #1 was the motivating force, spinning the content would be impractical and completely unnecessary. Each of the spun copies would be a step backward in terms of quality, from the original.

If #2 were the motivating force, spinning the original into a version which is (sufficiently) unique from the original would appear to be a worthwhile strategy.

If #3 were the motivating force, it would be fair to say that the person submitting the content was at crossed purposes with how things work. Spun content subtracts quality from the original (there are some exceptions, but largely they fall outside of the scope of this discussion), therefore the goal of point #1 could not be met. So a decision would need to be made to commit to #1 or #2 or risk accomplishing nothing of worth.

The proviso in the above is that the spinning software is capable of making something which cannot be algorithmically connected back to the source.

The software is quite capable of this but its dependance on having a human 'driver' makes it susceptible to failure.

So if it can be agreed that spinning software if correctly driven, CAN create unique content from a source article, then people embarking on strategy #1 above have a viable claim to its use.

All other discussions of quality, ethics, copyrights, filling the web with junk and wind direction are merely distracting people from the basic premise of the question being asked.

So the answer is, yes.

It's just a matter of time before GOOGLE decides to penalize sites who have backlinks coming in from spun articles and distributed throughout the web. How hard can it be - for 'GOOGLE' - to audit the entire content where backlinks are placed and then find out that 70-80% of the content is matching everywhere?

In my opinion, the spinner is not even needed. Writing a unique article isn't that hard actually. Probably it is just me though as the spinned articles never bring me the results that I want.

Wasn't trying to twist your words around on you rooze.

My biggest point is that I believe your yes to have a non-emotional, rational time component attached. It works today, but what does Google think about article spinning? What are their plans for tomorrow and what does that mean for one's strategy today? I understand your point. Do you understand mine? I am sure you do.

I was merely encouraging forward thinking about future ramifications to an income stream heavily dependent upon spun backlinks, and, yes, opining about the practice in general.

With that, I will quietly bow out of this thread as I think we both have made our respective points and understand those points.

The reason why articles need to be spun is to create multiple content out of one unique article. As far as I know about spun articles it has a low quality and there are several errors making you to go through it to make it readable.

I think my IQ dropped a few points after reading some of the responses here. In some cases my jaw simply hit the floor out of disbelief.

That little black book I keep on who not to do business with, let alone reccomend to others, just got a little bit fatter.

-Chris

Your own brain + hands + any freeware Spintax spinner.

So basically you haven't read the thread. I don't see how you could considering the thread title.

Submitting copied articles will not be of any use...
as they will not help your site/blog to rank in Google

What spinner did you use to generate this comment?

-Chris

I think you used a spinner to make that post.

Some people would even say you're link spamming this forum.

Jeez guys I didn't expect a war to erupt on my thread, I should have run a subscription for it:-)

So is it better for backlinks and serps to have 25 individual unique articles with anchor text linking to your website or 25 unique articles spun 1,000 times with anchor text linking to your website?

:-)

Articles don't need to be spun - it's just a surreptitious method that many affiliate marketers use to get maximum mileage out of any given article. Rather than spending the time creating a smaller number of ultra high-quality content pieces, many marketers prefer to create umpteen-thousand variations of the same article and submit them to get "mad backlinks" from article directories (paging Alexa Smith to come in and explain why this is a foolish notion)

You would be much better served by creating truly stellar content and submitting it to your own website/blog, and then contacting notable sites and blogs in your niche for syndication opportunities.

Usually, you take 1 mediocre article, then add a whole bunch of synonyms into the mix (without really considering context or tone) Maybe, just maybe, you might add a few sentence variations.

Then you hit spin and unleash your literary spawn upon innocent web users.

I'd liken it to the "underwear utility maximization" principle of old - you can wear your underwear normally, inside out, back to front, and back-to-front inside out for maximum mileage. However, just like article spinning, the results are never pleasant.

I'm not a big fan of spinning articles at all. When I first got into web publishing and content writing I relied on content farms like Ezinearticles for quick content. However as time past I realized those articles weren't doing my site much good in terms of traffic or seo benefit, because many of them were spun articles and duplicate content all over the place.

If you truly value your site, I say write your own quality content. It gives you more credibility. Some people manually spin articles very well, but the amount of time spent in paraphrasing another author's content could be well spent developing your own writing skills to earn you more fans and users of your site. Spinner softwares produce bad replicas of the original work so why take that route. Search engines are much smarter now and can often spot poorly spun articles from a mile away.

If you can't write that well or don't have the time, get someone to help you. I see people on this board who are willing to write for some seo benefit or a small price, network and build relationships with them.

The point is to create a great site with credibility, terrific sticky content, and most of all longevity. I say avoid spinning and write your own stuff. I certainly like to hear new perspectives on old or emerging topics.

I think the word "unique" will soon be replaced with "original" in future discussions about what Google prefers.

A spun article may be unique, but it definitely isn't original.

In my experience, spinning has lost some of it's effectiveness, and it will likely lose it even more as Google gets better at understanding what an article is about.

I can read two versions of a spun article and easily tell that they are about the same topic, and that they contain the same information. I don't doubt that it's possible for the PhDs at Google to figure out how to make a machine do the same.

In my experience spun articles don't have much ranking power, so if they do rank it's for obscure keywords that there isn't much search results for. If you submit a spun article through services like Unique Article Wizard, My Article Network, or Article Ranks, you are submitting them to websites that actually want to publish your articles.

Some people write and spin garbage, just like some people write garbage articles. When I spin I do it manually and rewrite each sentence. Quality goes farther, even when it comes to spun articles. And, as quality becomes more important for search engine rankings, quality spun articles will become more important (unless spinning becomes obsolete).

It is interesting to see all the different thoughts and opinions about the ethics and use of spinning.

Yes and no it depends how much it is spun, how different it is from the original

But you always want to just use unique 100% content..

If you are going to spun articles I suggest you spun them yourself - never use any tool. Spinning it yourself is like para-phrasing or re-phrasing it so it looks more natural.

Hi All,

The benefit of spinning content is, uniqueness. One of the guy in this thread told that it is somewhat, the first indexed syndicated content submitted gets the "boost". Technically, that's correct. Do you guys remember Google PigeonRank? Ever wonder why most (not all) of the SEO companies prioritize Ezine? Then, the ones that was submitted few days after the submitted content in Ezine got indexed have a lesser value.

In my humble opinion:

The reason why people use spintax, is to make all of their contents considered as valuable like the above "boost thingy".

I think, the very reason why you guys have this debate is that, no one told you the right thing how, what, when, and where to do those content spinning and submissions.

What to use in spinning: TBS or Spinrewriter (Much better)

What to do:
-PROVIDE YOUR OWN CONTENT! (do not steal from others!!!)

How to do:
Procedure in spinning:
-Automatically spun the content using the tools
-Make sure that you have at least 70% uniqueness level
-Do the manual spinning after the first step
-Check for grammar and readability
-Do the spot check spun using free spinner like spinnertools

[Tedious process right?] Yes, that's a big pain in the B.

When to submit:
Anytime.. But you have to make sure to limit your submission. Since, the spintax produces a random output. It might give you the "same phrase" on some of the content which is used by search engines and article sites. Approximately, for a 500 words with 70% of uniqueness and at least 4 different title(on the original content). It is safe to submit you contents up to 30-40 times JUST for article marketing.

Where to submit:
Do not submit you contents to sites that have little to no authority at all.

Do your home work and look for top 50 legit article sites.

Note:

-Provide at least 3 different titles on the Original Content
-Provide more than 400-600 words content
-Use different keywords and landing pages
-Spin by words and by phrase. Even more, you can also spin by paragraphs.


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You can use spinnertools.com to check for the result.

I am a big fan of spinning before. That's why I know all of these stuffs. So for those who have doubts in spinning, there it is. However, I am not encouraging all of you to use spinning.. Search engines are getting smarter, Web Spam Team are also using spinner(reason why they know the ins and outs of spinning), and there are lot of people think that spinning is a crap thing(Actually, its not).

As a contrary to the above procedure, personally, I don't recommend article marketing for ranking purposes.. I found article marketing to be considered as a support to other signals that is more important than articles. In general, due to constant machine learning designed by people that is once like us(Idealistic or whatever). I would prefer to stick with pure organic methods..

Methods like:

• Study on how people look for your services/products
• An extensive On-page optimization
• Valuable and the "to know how stuffs"
• Keyword Stemming
• Provide a research level content for your pages (Well, it depends on the subject matter)
• Social Media (With active engagement)
• The old school email marketing
• The old school directory submission (Remember that Search Engine Results are local based now)
• Blog guesting
• Forums
• SEO Strategies like spaghetti bowl (using SEO+LBLO+Social Media)

I hope my 30 minutes writing these stuffs was worth for you guys.