Interesting Fact : Some People Are Full Of Crap

by tpw
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When you come to a forum like this, you must learn to filter everything through your natural BS filter...

If you don't, you will get the wool pulled over your eyes...

Some of the folks who post here are really bright and successful in their chosen professions...

Others are just faking it until they make it...

And still others are simply trying to blow smoke up your butt for fun...

One of the awesome things about a place like this is that you don't have to take people on the merits of a single post, but rather you can dive deeply into a person's history to find out the true measure of the person...

For example, some of the folks that you will meet here are only experts in a specific niche for a few weeks at a time...

The people who have been around for some time are ticking names off in their heads right now... But I won't mention any names...

For example, there is one fellow who was the greatest article writer, then in the following month, he was the greatest press releases expert. In the next month, he was the king of SEO. He was an expert of a niche for one month at a time... When the month was gone and his sales did not pick up, it was time to change his business model again... :rolleyes:

When you are starting out, if you are looking to get into a cash flow, it is essential to:

1. Get Educated;
2. Get Some Experience - so you understand the processes and amount of time required to do the job;
3. Set Up Your Offer;
4. Advertise;
5. Outsource, if necessary;
6. Deliver Results;
7. Upsell.

If you are selling as an affiliate, some of these steps will be eliminated, but the basic plan is here that anyone can use to make money online.

Don't be afraid to read what anyone in this forum says, but run their words through your BS Filter...

If you are on the edge of decision, then check a persons history by clicking on a person's profile name and choosing, "Find More Posts by ..."

Take the time to get to know the expert you are listening to, so you don't get fooled by the people with the fancy words...

Diving into a person's posts, you will quickly get a feel for whether they are a person to whom you want to listen...

Once you have found them to be trustworthy -- based on their body of work, then listen to them when they are trying to help you do something...
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    But Bill, that requires effort, I want people to lie to me!

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  • Profile picture of the author Mary Wilhite
    Originally Posted by tpw View Post

    Once you have found them to be trustworthy -- based on their body of work, then listen to them when they are trying to help you do something...
    Very true.

    If you looked at the majority of posts you may realize that people do a
    one-sentence post. Which will either mean that the person has nothing to share or is unwilling to do it.

    It looks like most people find it difficult separating the wheat from the chaff.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by Mary Wilhite View Post

      If you looked at the majority of posts you may realize that people do a one-sentence post. Which will either mean that the person has nothing to share or is unwilling to do it.

      Or, as my dad was fond of saying, "There are ten thousand comedians out of work, and YOU are trying to be funny!!" :p













      p.s. You did notice that was another one-sentence post? LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author Anna Kowalski
    You are so right Bill

    Sometimes it's easy to hear what we want to hear. So even if the person giving the "advice" is full of B.S., it may be what we want to hear at that moment. And that kind of makes it seem more believable than it normally would sound.

    Your advice is as accurate today as it has always been, run it through your own personal B.S. filter! I'm new here, and I've already seen exactly what you described.

    Thanks for the great post!
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan Alexander
    Originally Posted by tpw View Post


    And still others are simply trying to blow smoke up your butt for fun...
    And besides...there are other *ahem* venues and sites for those, er...um, preferences.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andy Hart
    Very true words Bill, I haven't been a member here as long as you but still a fair few years and I think in my opinion its getting worse really fast.

    The number of "fake it till you make it" type people/posts seem to be everywhere, just re-posting crap they've heard and passing it off as gospel and when you challenge them they make you out to be the one talking nonsense??

    What do you think, got a lot worse??

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  • Profile picture of the author Woodward82
    Its interesting that you made this post. Some things I have noticed on forums that really boggle my mind is that a person will ask a question (something very broad-not real specific) such as how do i make money online or how can i get traffic. Then you look in their sig an it says something like "Let Me Show You How To Make 1k A Day" . Thats not a specific example but you get the point. Im sure i could even browse through here and find some examples if I looked hard enough..

    I think if your going to be serious about IM or really anything in life and you want to learn or teach for that matter. Just be genuine.

    Im still new to all of this online business but I can say that i have some experience in detecting BS .

    Nice post and good insight
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    Why don't you tell us how you really feel Bill.

    Learning who to listen to is not always a newbie thing either. If you remember ... you tried every way you could think of to keep me away from the worst decision I ever made in my online career and .. I didn't listen .. sure wish I had.

    Just because someone has thousands of post and thousands of thank you doesn't always mean anything. I almost lost a 12 year plus online business by answering one PM .. do your due diligence and listen to those who have been around a while and have no motive to steer you wrong.

    I do appreciate the fact you tried to help me Bill

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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

      I do appreciate the fact you tried to help me Bill

      Glad to hear that you finally abandoned the land of kool-aid and funny hats. :p



      Originally Posted by Andy Hart View Post

      What do you think, got a lot worse??

      No. Same as it has always been, if you break it down into percentages.
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    • Profile picture of the author Anton Nadilo
      Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

      Why don't you tell us how you really feel Bill.

      Learning who to listen to is not always a newbie thing either. If you remember ... you tried every way you could think of to keep me away from the worst decision I ever made in my online career and .. I didn't listen .. sure wish I had.

      Just because someone has thousands of post and thousands of thank you doesn't always mean anything. I almost lost a 12 year plus online business by answering one PM .. do your due diligence and listen to those who have been around a while and have no motive to steer you wrong.

      I do appreciate the fact you tried to help me Bill

      Troy
      Troy,

      Your post was very intriguing and I wonder if you would be willing to share your experience with other warriors so we don't fall into the same trap or get taken advantage of by the same individual.

      Cheers

      Anton
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by Anton Nadilo View Post

        Troy,

        Your post was very intriguing and I wonder if you would be willing to share your experience with other warriors so we don't fall into the same trap or get taken advantage of by the same individual.

        Cheers

        Anton

        No problem. That person is banned from this forum for a lifetime.

        Besides, the forum rules prohibit us from naming names.
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      • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
        Originally Posted by Anton Nadilo View Post

        Troy,

        Your post was very intriguing and I wonder if you would be willing to share your experience with other warriors so we don't fall into the same trap or get taken advantage of by the same individual.

        Cheers

        Anton
        I would love to but if I did .. Allen might decide I can't play in his sandbox any more .. I like his amazing toys .... Rule one lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author robledo1
    hahaha....

    Well said.

    I'm new here, so I'll put a little more research on the posts.
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  • Profile picture of the author PPC-Coach
    But if they show a screenshot and make a ridiculous income claim in a short period of time, it MUST be true.

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  • Profile picture of the author WriterWahm
    I have been lucky. I haven't had to answer any PMs like Troy and the hand-full of warriors that I've really connected with have been solid gold. Oh, well, maybe that wasn't luck after all. Just a BS filter?

    Don't go around whining and whinging about how terrible the WF is and how you've been scammed and bla bla bla... Like Bill has said, do your due diligence. The WF is a just microcosm of the big bad world.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan Alexander
    It be an interesting study to see the average different phases we all (or most) go through as we discover this forum.

    When I first came on here, I knew everything. I wanted to tell that to everyone too, because, you know...who couldn't benefit from my knowledge. The poor saps around here were obviously just waiting for wisdom.

    After a few weeks or months, I discovered I knew nothing (which of course made it harder to prove my infinite knowledge).

    Now?

    I know too much. Head's too full, always spinning, never shutting down. Always brainstorming and taking endless notes from the guys I love to read and threads that make any Housewives show look boring (um, copywriting sub-forum anyone? "Oh no, he didn't". That place could fuel Orville Redenbacher sales by itself).

    It's been an interesting cycle over the years.

    But only with time have I figured out how to sniff out the good guys. Even then I'm not always right.

    Man, I sometimes go to bed seeing off-white with black and red bars in front of me, with lots of text in between. This place is my Hopiate...
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnDBrewer
    I have been following the WF now since Dec and I have to say that I am grateful to those that have helped me. I have to say that I was very trigger happy on the pay now button but I have sinced slowed WAY down on my pay now button addiction and am trying to work on building quality and consistency.

    Thanks for the thread and I will follow the guidelines laid out here.

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  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    BILL!!! Say it ain't so!!!

    As we say out here on the frontier... if it smells like BS there's probably a bull nearby.
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  • Profile picture of the author drmani
    Golden post, Bill. Thanks

    Originally Posted by tpw View Post

    When you come to a forum like this, you must learn to filter everything through your natural BS filter...
    And if your BS filter isn't very refined in the beginning, don't
    worry.

    It gets better over time, as it LEARNS.

    "Fool me once, you're the fool. Fool me twice, I'm the fool!"

    All success
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Originally Posted by tpw View Post

    If you are on the edge of decision, then check a persons history by clicking on a person's profile name and choosing, "Find More Posts by ..."
    Bill if we did that with you, it would be all gags and nonsensicle shennanigans.
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      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      Bill if we did that with you, it would be all gags and nonsensicle shennanigans.


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      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      nonsensicle shennanigans.
      Is that frozen nonsense with pureed shenanas?
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  • Profile picture of the author azmanar
    Hi Bill,

    Does this apply?

    " It takes a BSter to catch a BSter. "
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  • Profile picture of the author paul nicholls
    Originally Posted by tpw View Post

    filter everything through your natural BS filter...
    ha ha i like that bill lol

    its right though some people do get taught to fake it untill you make it, kinda lame

    but the more experience you have its easy to spot those type of people by the way they word stuff and talk

    anyone that has been around for a few years will know what i mean

    good post bill :-)

    paul
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  • Profile picture of the author manicmethods
    Some incredibly valid points about the whole Faking it thing that seems to be going on.

    The one I am particularly aware of is when people make a post about them becoming depressed because they're not making money and they're struggling and so on...

    Yet their signature reads: Make $20,432 EVERY Month like I do...

    Bit of a contradiction here.


    I'm also sure it doesn't just apply to the services area where people are experts of different things daily.
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  • Profile picture of the author thinktwice
    Interesting post... most people want it the easy way. I always told my brother to learn & read for 2-3 months before starting projects or working on a new thing.

    People are just lazy.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Wow. I've never been so glad that Allen updated the forum a few years back and the 80+ pages of the Nonsense Thread is gone. Whew.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cataclysm1987
    The worst is the ones that come and go overnight.

    We can all expose them for their BS if they're here long enough, but if they make their cash and leave then come back on a different name, that's when it gets tough.
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  • Profile picture of the author rooze
    There must also be quite a few of us who think we have something valid to offer, want nothing in return yet still fall under the OP's definition of 'talking crap'. Maybe even the OP himself on some occasions?

    Perhaps only the exalted few with a high post count should be allowed to post (crap) and the rest should just read and learn.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      Originally Posted by rooze View Post

      There must also be quite a few of us who think we have something valid to offer, want nothing in return yet still fall under the OP's definition of 'talking crap'. Maybe even the OP himself on some occasions?
      Naw, Bill's a straight up guy.

      His ebook "The Origin of Feces" did have me wondering how he knew so much about it, though..

      ~Bill
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      • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
        Bill F, you made me choke on my water!

        ack!



        Anyone can be whatever they want to be when they hide behind the computer screen. Notice how many nasty things are written on this very board that probably would never be uttered in person.

        I've personally come to the realization that almost nothing is as it seems and most stuff that you read online should be taken with a very large grain of salt.
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        • Profile picture of the author rooze
          Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

          ".......almost nothing is as it seems and most stuff that you read online should be taken with a very large grain of salt.
          This is all the protection one really needs.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by rooze View Post

      There must also be quite a few of us who think we have something valid to offer, want nothing in return yet still fall under the OP's definition of 'talking crap'. Maybe even the OP himself on some occasions?

      Perhaps only the exalted few with a high post count should be allowed to post (crap) and the rest should just read and learn.

      Like everyone else, I should be judged on my body of work here in the forum and elsewhere.

      If the fact that I am a prankster is something that undermines my credibility with you, then you should follow your gut where I am concerned.

      And if my being a prankster is seen as just another aspect of my personality, then that is okay too.

      Please use the information in my OP to judge me the same as you judge others.
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      • Profile picture of the author rooze
        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        If the fact that I am a prankster is something that undermines my credibility with you, then you should follow your gut where I am concerned.

        And if my being a prankster is seen as just another aspect of my personality, then that is okay too.

        Please use the information in my OP to judge me the same as you judge others.
        Hi Bill,

        I had no idea you were a 'prankster', I haven't read enough of your posts to detect that in you.

        I don't really want to judge you or anyone else either, I have no right or place to do that.

        I just thought this post was another 'us and them' post, promoting the WF class system. If a person registers a username today and makes one sensible post or comment, I might hold him/her in just as high a regard as I do a person like you with many posts to your name - based solely on the content of their comment.

        But what caught my eye was this - studying a person's body of work is hardly a good recommendation I think. There are many people skilled at creating illusions and maintaining them consistently over long periods of time. If anything they're the dangerous ones, the ones with an agenda, not the one-post wonders who blurt something out naively.

        A comment or recommendation from a newbie is every bit as credible as one from an old-timer, if it stands on its own two feet and makes sense.

        Just a thought,

        Cheers

        Rooze
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        • Profile picture of the author tpw
          Originally Posted by rooze View Post

          Hi Bill,

          I had no idea you were a 'prankster', I haven't read enough of your posts to detect that in you.

          I don't really want to judge you or anyone else either, I have no right or place to do that.

          I just thought this post was another 'us and them' post, promoting the WF class system. If a person registers a username today and makes one sensible post or comment, I might hold him/her in just as high a regard as I do a person like you with many posts to your name - based solely on the content of their comment.

          But what caught my eye was this - studying a person's body of work is hardly a good recommendation I think. There are many people skilled at creating illusions and maintaining them consistently over long periods of time. If anything they're the dangerous ones, the ones with an agenda, not the one-post wonders who blurt something out naively.

          A comment or recommendation from a newbie is every bit as credible as one from an old-timer, if it stands on its own two feet and makes sense.

          Just a thought,

          Cheers

          Rooze

          Rooze: Like it or not, we do judge people as being credible or without credibility.

          It is just human nature, and it is something we must do, so that we can make good decisions about with whom we work with and buy from.

          This really wasn't an "us versus them" post. But I was poking at an idea someone posted on the forum in the last week.

          We can only judge people according to what we know of them.

          If the information is available, we should use the information available to us to make a decision about someone.

          0 posts is never a reason to judge someone as lacking credibility.

          Some of the sharpest people on the planet have never heard of the Warrior Forum, and therefore have 0 posts in the forum.

          We should never judge people harshly, just because they have no body of evidence beyond a single post on the forum. We should judge them based on what they give us to work with.

          Some people just ooze brilliance every time they hit a key on their keyboards. And you can often sense that in a single post.

          Other people trigger the BS sensor every time they hit a key on their keyboards. LOL

          As consumers of information and products, we should all do our due diligence to make sure -- to the best of our abilities -- that we are not being fooled.

          Yet, I am certain that if you asked everyone on this thread whether they have been duped before, we would all have horror stories about how we were once fooled by someone with a very practiced spiel designed to separate us permanently from our time and/or hard-earned money.

          Yep, I am not perfect either. I have been duped by many folks in my life, and the experience has taught me to pay closer attention to those red flags when they rear their ugly heads.
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          • Profile picture of the author rooze
            Originally Posted by tpw View Post

            Rooze: Like it or not, we do judge people as being credible or without credibility.

            It is just human nature, and it is something we must do, so that we can make good decisions about with whom we work with and buy from.

            This really wasn't an "us versus them" post. But I was poking at an idea someone posted on the forum in the last week.

            We can only judge people according to what we know of them.

            If the information is available, we should use the information available to us to make a decision about someone.

            0 posts is never a reason to judge someone as lacking credibility.

            Some of the sharpest people on the planet have never heard of the Warrior Forum, and therefore have 0 posts in the forum.

            We should never judge people harshly, just because they have no body of evidence beyond a single post on the forum. We should judge them based on what they give us to work with.

            Some people just ooze brilliance every time they hit a key on their keyboards. And you can often sense that in a single post.

            Other people trigger the BS sensor every time they hit a key on their keyboards. LOL

            As consumers of information and products, we should all do our due diligence to make sure -- to the best of our abilities -- that we are not being fooled.

            Yet, I am certain that if you asked everyone on this thread whether they have been duped before, we would all have horror stories about how we were once fooled by someone with a very practiced spiel designed to separate us permanently from our time and/or hard-earned money.

            Yep, I am not perfect either. I have been duped by many folks in my life, and the experience has taught me to pay closer attention to those red flags when they rear their ugly heads.
            Well I think we're saying a similar thing using different words, judge vs 'forming an opinion' perhaps. Though I stand by the warning that people shouldn't be drawn to those with a high post count as if it's some kind of 'seal of approval'. And that digging into their posts history isn't going to unveil someone who's skilled in skullduggery.
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              You never know when someone is truly an expert at something or not. I myself do not answer questions unless I know the actual answer. You should be careful on the information that you read and make sure the person that wrote it knows what they are talking about.
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        • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
          Originally Posted by rooze View Post

          I just thought this post was another 'us and them' post, promoting the WF class system.
          Human beings naturally respond to "us and them." It is the foundation of all racism, bigotry, prejudice, and injustice: the idea that I am good because I am me, and we are good because we are like me, and they are bad because they are not like us.

          It's worth examining that about yourself. Americans will give other Americans shocking amounts of credit for living or being born in the same state. This is particularly true of Ohio, Texas, and New York.

          But you could say you were born anywhere. It isn't rocket surgery to say "Texas has a lot of IMers, so it is to my advantage as an IMer to say I was born in Texas." And even if you are an honest person, all you have to do is move to Texas. You can even leave after a while; you'll get credit just for having lived there before.

          So it's also not rocket surgery to say "I shouldn't give anyone appreciable credit for being born in any particular state, or for having lived there, because that does not really tell me anything about who this person is."

          Which is really what you're looking for in someone's body of work: a pattern of behaviour which they are not actively promoting. There's a gentleman here who rants incessantly about the overwhelming quantity of hype on the WSO forum... but writes hideously hype-infested sales letters in the test forum. He closes his WSOs quickly, and doesn't post much on the forum while they're running, which means you're unlikely to connect the dots - but some of his posts in the test forum are still there years later.

          So if he happened to raise your flags, and you did a little research, you'd find him doing exactly what he complains that other people are doing. So when he says they do it because they think this thing, or are trying to do that thing, he's probably talking about himself.

          That's the problem with "us and them." You probably don't really understand "them" in the first place, and your idea that you understand "us" is almost certainly inaccurate - all you really understand is you.

          Everything else is hearsay and perception. You don't really know why other people do what they do; you only know what they did, and why they say they did it. And in a lot of cases, you don't even know what they did - only what they say they did.

          When I say I mailed my list and this happened, you don't even know whether I mailed my list unless you're on that list and saw me mail. Even then, you don't know whether I got the results I claim.

          Which is precisely where you should fire up the BS detectors. Or, if you want to be really clinical about it, just ignore the whole thing. Consider this sales pitch:

          "I have the greatest method of getting mind-blowing CTR. I mailed my list with this simple trick, and got over 80% CTR. And I'll teach you this incredible method for only $50."

          Everything in italics is hype. You can ignore it. The sentence in bold is something you can't effectively verify. You should ignore that, too. So this sales pitch factors down to:

          "I have a method of getting CTR. I'll teach you this method for $50."

          Now that you aren't going "greatest mind-blowing 80% CTR only $50!" you can probably make a smarter purchase decision on this: namely, that there is no substance to the offer.

          It doesn't matter whose offer it is, or what state he's from, or whether you both rooted for the Patriots in the Super Bowl. Do you want to spend $50 for a mystery CTR trick?

          There are threads every week from people complaining about the crap in the WSO forum, and threads every week from people talking about how to cut through the crap in the WSO forum. And the same people post in both threads: the first one, to say they buy a lot of crap and the WSO forum sucks... and the second one, to say they decide whether to buy primarily based on who is running the WSO.

          In other words, is it one of "us" or one of "them" running this WSO?

          Somehow, nobody ever seems to connect the dots of "I buy based on who is running the WSO, and I end up buying a lot of crap I can't use."

          This behaviour is natural. Your brain is wired to think this way. But you are a human being, and able to improve yourself. The "us and them" mentality is counterproductive and often exploited. Transcend it.

          If a person registers a username today and makes one sensible post or comment, I might hold him/her in just as high a regard as I do a person like you with many posts to your name - based solely on the content of their comment.
          Bill is a huge proponent of this idea himself. Just because someone is new to the Warrior Forum does not mean he has just fallen off the turnip truck, and just because someone has several thousand posts does not mean he knows what he is talking about.

          I'm with Bill on this one, and I like to point out that through all my thousands of posts and hundreds of thanks, most of them are dirty jokes and insults and "that's what she said." If you really dug through all my posts and pulled out the ones with real value, it's less than 10% of them.

          Which means a sober and serious person could be every bit as valuable to the forum as I am with less than a thousand posts. A lot less. In fact, I know some people I consider far more valuable to the forum than myself... who are walking around with less than 150 posts.

          Meanwhile, there are more than a few complete and utter morons on this forum who have just about as many posts as I do. Sometimes more. Because all your post count really means is that you talk a lot, and all your thanks count means is that people like you.

          Remember when you were in school, and there were popular kids who talked a lot?

          How were their grades?

          But what caught my eye was this - studying a person's body of work is hardly a good recommendation I think. There are many people skilled at creating illusions and maintaining them consistently over long periods of time.
          However, the overwhelming majority of people are completely incapable of this. Most of the "fake it till you make it" crowd come in here asking "how do I get targeted traffic?" with a link in their signature that says "click here to get massive buttloads of targeted traffic."

          Most of the rest will come in here and parrot some worthless crap they read in a PLR book, which alerts those who take the "YOU are a moderator" policy seriously, and some of us will stalk into that thread like Antonio Banderas and his brothers in Desperado and open fire.

          Which leads to another observation: there are people who have been in business (maybe not the IM business, but business is business) for many years and seen BS of all sizes, shapes, and varieties. They're often pretty good at spotting BS that other people can't spot.

          So while it might look like someone is being unfair and just attacking the newbie, it's frequently the case that the newbie isn't new at all... but is pretending to be, so you'll drop your guards and turn off the filters.

          It's just like when you're walking through Queens, and the pretty young girl in the alley says "please, could you help me?" as you walk by - maybe the girl really needs help. Maybe something really is wrong. But it's more likely that her friends are waiting in that alley to beat the crap out of you and take your wallet. Which is why the savvy New Yorker stays right where he is, takes out his phone, and calls 911.

          Voice of experience.
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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

            But you could say you were born anywhere. It isn't rocket surgery to say "Texas has a lot of IMers, so it is to my advantage as an IMer to say I was born in Texas." And even if you are an honest person, all you have to do is move to Texas. You can even leave after a while; you'll get credit just for having lived there before.

            I lived in Texas between 1986 and 1992. Texans love me.
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          • Profile picture of the author absoluteallen
            Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

            It's worth examining that about yourself. Americans will give other Americans shocking amounts of credit for living or being born in the same state. This is particularly true of Ohio, Texas, and New York.
            Good info! I've lived in all three for several years.

            But when I lived in Texas, it was to my belief that Texas is actually a country and the USA only has 49 states.

            My aunt that lives in Beaumont still claims that.

            Regardless, I have 3 states riding on my back now... WSO time!
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          • Profile picture of the author rooze
            Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

            Human beings naturally respond to "us and them." It is the foundation of all racism, bigotry, prejudice, and injustice: the idea that I am good because I am me, and we are good because we are like me, and they are bad because they are not like us.

            It's worth examining that about yourself. Americans will give other Americans shocking amounts of credit for living or being born in the same state. This is particularly true of Ohio, Texas, and New York.

            But you could say you were born anywhere. It isn't rocket surgery to say "Texas has a lot of IMers, so it is to my advantage as an IMer to say I was born in Texas." And even if you are an honest person, all you have to do is move to Texas. You can even leave after a while; you'll get credit just for having lived there before.

            So it's also not rocket surgery to say "I shouldn't give anyone appreciable credit for being born in any particular state, or for having lived there, because that does not really tell me anything about who this person is."

            Which is really what you're looking for in someone's body of work: a pattern of behaviour which they are not actively promoting. There's a gentleman here who rants incessantly about the overwhelming quantity of hype on the WSO forum... but writes hideously hype-infested sales letters in the test forum. He closes his WSOs quickly, and doesn't post much on the forum while they're running, which means you're unlikely to connect the dots - but some of his posts in the test forum are still there years later.

            So if he happened to raise your flags, and you did a little research, you'd find him doing exactly what he complains that other people are doing. So when he says they do it because they think this thing, or are trying to do that thing, he's probably talking about himself.

            That's the problem with "us and them." You probably don't really understand "them" in the first place, and your idea that you understand "us" is almost certainly inaccurate - all you really understand is you.

            Everything else is hearsay and perception. You don't really know why other people do what they do; you only know what they did, and why they say they did it. And in a lot of cases, you don't even know what they did - only what they say they did.

            When I say I mailed my list and this happened, you don't even know whether I mailed my list unless you're on that list and saw me mail. Even then, you don't know whether I got the results I claim.

            Which is precisely where you should fire up the BS detectors. Or, if you want to be really clinical about it, just ignore the whole thing. Consider this sales pitch:

            "I have the greatest method of getting mind-blowing CTR. I mailed my list with this simple trick, and got over 80% CTR. And I'll teach you this incredible method for only $50."

            Everything in italics is hype. You can ignore it. The sentence in bold is something you can't effectively verify. You should ignore that, too. So this sales pitch factors down to:

            "I have a method of getting CTR. I'll teach you this method for $50."

            Now that you aren't going "greatest mind-blowing 80% CTR only $50!" you can probably make a smarter purchase decision on this: namely, that there is no substance to the offer.

            It doesn't matter whose offer it is, or what state he's from, or whether you both rooted for the Patriots in the Super Bowl. Do you want to spend $50 for a mystery CTR trick?

            There are threads every week from people complaining about the crap in the WSO forum, and threads every week from people talking about how to cut through the crap in the WSO forum. And the same people post in both threads: the first one, to say they buy a lot of crap and the WSO forum sucks... and the second one, to say they decide whether to buy primarily based on who is running the WSO.

            In other words, is it one of "us" or one of "them" running this WSO?

            Somehow, nobody ever seems to connect the dots of "I buy based on who is running the WSO, and I end up buying a lot of crap I can't use."

            This behaviour is natural. Your brain is wired to think this way. But you are a human being, and able to improve yourself. The "us and them" mentality is counterproductive and often exploited. Transcend it.

            Bill is a huge proponent of this idea himself. Just because someone is new to the Warrior Forum does not mean he has just fallen off the turnip truck, and just because someone has several thousand posts does not mean he knows what he is talking about.

            I'm with Bill on this one, and I like to point out that through all my thousands of posts and hundreds of thanks, most of them are dirty jokes and insults and "that's what she said." If you really dug through all my posts and pulled out the ones with real value, it's less than 10% of them.

            Which means a sober and serious person could be every bit as valuable to the forum as I am with less than a thousand posts. A lot less. In fact, I know some people I consider far more valuable to the forum than myself... who are walking around with less than 150 posts.

            Meanwhile, there are more than a few complete and utter morons on this forum who have just about as many posts as I do. Sometimes more. Because all your post count really means is that you talk a lot, and all your thanks count means is that people like you.

            Remember when you were in school, and there were popular kids who talked a lot?

            How were their grades?
            However, the overwhelming majority of people are completely incapable of this. Most of the "fake it till you make it" crowd come in here asking "how do I get targeted traffic?" with a link in their signature that says "click here to get massive buttloads of targeted traffic."

            Most of the rest will come in here and parrot some worthless crap they read in a PLR book, which alerts those who take the "YOU are a moderator" policy seriously, and some of us will stalk into that thread like Antonio Banderas and his brothers in Desperado and open fire.

            Which leads to another observation: there are people who have been in business (maybe not the IM business, but business is business) for many years and seen BS of all sizes, shapes, and varieties. They're often pretty good at spotting BS that other people can't spot.

            So while it might look like someone is being unfair and just attacking the newbie, it's frequently the case that the newbie isn't new at all... but is pretending to be, so you'll drop your guards and turn off the filters.

            It's just like when you're walking through Queens, and the pretty young girl in the alley says "please, could you help me?" as you walk by - maybe the girl really needs help. Maybe something really is wrong. But it's more likely that her friends are waiting in that alley to beat the crap out of you and take your wallet. Which is why the savvy New Yorker stays right where he is, takes out his phone, and calls 911.

            Voice of experience.

            I love it when people take the time to think more deeply about things, thanks.
            I've been around the block a couple times and I hate shallow throw-away comments particularly those which pigeon-hole people we know nothing about. All is good.
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  • Profile picture of the author buckeyes09
    Next you're going to tell us the German bombed Pearl Harbor.
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  • Profile picture of the author vivi62
    unfortunately I.M has a reputation for people being stingy with the truth but there are a number of people that are genuine,finding them is an art in its self,but very worth it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jorge Vidaurre
    I find the situation of looking for contacts that can help me making money online necessary if you want to make money online. I am still looking for someone on this forum that can be my guide and help me make money online. Any good souls out there can pm me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brian Tayler
    I enjoy perusing old threads and WSOs to see how many fly by night people come here, stay a couple months then leave. Hell, even most of the threads in the Main forum are people saying how they made all this money but joined the forum in Jan-March 2012 with ~10 posts, and you wont ever hear from them again come 2 months from now.
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  • Profile picture of the author robie
    If you are on the edge of decision, then check a persons history by clicking on a person's profile name and choosing, "Find More Posts by ..."
    Nice post.
    Thank you for the advice.
    I'll keep that in mind
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  • Profile picture of the author Stoney
    You know what I love? That this post has one of the highest response rates of the most recent posts. Why do you think that is? What makes people want to read and respond to a post that says "Some people are full of crap"? Could it be the same thing that drives us to watch reality TV or crane our necks at an accident? Just wondering...
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    • Profile picture of the author salegurus
      Originally Posted by Stoney View Post

      You know what I love? That this post has one of the highest response rates of the most recent posts. Why do you think that is? What makes people want to read and respond to a post that says "Some people are full of crap"? Could it be the same thing that drives us to watch reality TV or crane our necks at an accident? Just wondering...
      Maybe because the quality of the average thread in the main forum has become so poor that people are just thankful for the odd exception.
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by Stoney View Post

      What makes people want to read and respond to a post that says "Some people are full of crap"?
      Speaking for myself: Bill Platt wrote it.

      Bill's a smart guy. A funny guy. And a thinker. I don't care what he titles his posts, I'm going to read them.

      As far as why other people read it, Bill understands how to write a good subject line that leaves you not knowing what he means: what people are full of crap, and how are they full of crap?

      Bill might be about to say that whatever you've chosen as your business model doesn't work and you're an idiot for choosing it, because your coach is full of crap!

      Holy crap! I'd better read this post just to be sure!

      Now go back and read the OP again to see what else you can learn from how Bill posted rather than just what he posted.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashtree
    I find it funny threads like this get so many thanks. Is like someone telling you "to prevent the trash from sticking up the kitchen, take it out early"... and everyone responds in awe and amazement. Haha, this forum is great.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gail_Curran
      Originally Posted by cashtree View Post

      I find it funny threads like this get so many thanks.
      I think some people are just so relieved to read sensible threads started by intelligent people that they have to say thank you.

      And I say that with no sarcasm whatsoever.
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  • Profile picture of the author MBDirect
    Hey tpw,

    Just sayin' thanks for your wise and witty advice - hope every newbie reads it - and I love your title. LOL!

    Beyond the phoneys that your filtering system will reveal are the legions of highly talented creatives and innovators that have come out of the woodwork of the world since the amazing Internet and the amazing Warrior Forum were made accessible to us all.

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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by teepee View Post

      Is that a new niche?
      No, it's been around forever. It's called "MLM"
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  • Profile picture of the author Terry M
    As someone who has dabbled in Internet Marketing foe many years ( and has never made any real money), I would love to sit down with some of these "gurus" and really find out what they are about. I bet I would find that, like you said, they are full of crap.

    What I think would be great is to find someone who is truly a successful IM'er, and find out what it is that drives them and how I too can be successful. Unfortunately, it seems like most truly successful people either have no time to do that or have others that do it for them.

    I will continue to hope and wish for a true "mentor" to come along without their top priority being to separate me and my money.
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