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The Big Ticket School of Mentoring

by Tony Grant
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Hi Warriors,

I have been giving some thought to the area of mentoring just lately and I have been reflecting upon my own experiences. Of course, these are just my own thoughts but it would be interesting to hear of how other people view mentoring also.

In this post I am going to consider the style of mentoring associated with the Big Names and Big Ticket Prices although I don't want to name any actual names as I want this thread to survive past this evening.

When I reflect on the Big Ticket Mentoring programs that I have subscribed to over my years in IM, I have almost always been disappointed at the overall results. Now I accept that much of the success comes from within and so I don't really mean whether I succeeded or not, what I refer to more so is that these Big Ticket Mentoring Products tend to assume a common starting point (a) and take you to an idealised end point (z). There seems to be little room for manouvre along this a-z journey with the exception of getting off at some point if the journey is not what you envisaged. However, this point of no-return is usually quite early on in the journey and mostly during the time of content flooding, whilst you are still feeling 'the love'.

Almost invariably when subscribing to these Big Name, Big Ticket Programs, I never actually spoke directly to the Big Name involved. I heard him/her, sae them on video, even maybe managed to get a question answered on a webinar but is this really what you pay the Big Money for?

So my request for today is to ask what people feel about these Big Money Mentoring Programs and whether they believe this is the best (or at least a good) way of delivering mentoring to people.

Please try not to name names here as the last time this happened, I had my thread nuked. Let's keep it on focus and try to understand how people think about mentoring.

Thanks to everyone and I will try to add another part to this in a day or so.

Tony
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  • Profile picture of the author jamesrich1
    I recommend you get personal mentoring. I recently got personal mentoring just recently and it was the break through I needed.
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  • Profile picture of the author rooze
    I'm old school and always consider mentoring to be one on one. If someone pays big bucks for a mentor then they should have access to the individual and not just a series of videos or webinars or whatever.

    So if what's on offer isn't customized or personalized then you're going to be given a set path to follow with one of two options....keep walking down it or get off. Personally I don't know why anyone would pay big money for that, but I understand that people do.
    The web is flooded with 'Internet Marketers' who've been on these programs yet still seem to have little clue or little direction, which speaks volumes as to the general effectiveness of 'herd mentoring'.
    WRT the OP, were the programs you embarked on labeled as mentoring or something else? Because it sounds like you got something else.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tony Grant
    Hi, thanks for the replies so far.

    Of the courses I had attended, one was most certainly labelled as the 'success formula' but the others I tried, might have been more niche specific, yet generally made quite grand claims of the potential outcomes.

    I think, in reflections and reading the above replies too, the 'herded' coaching is maybe not the most guaranteed route to success so let's maybe take it a bit deeper in the next post...
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    • Profile picture of the author Tony Grant
      Ok, moving on from the Big Money - Big Guru' coaching, I would like to think for a moment about the absolute other end of the market, and a phenomenon that seems quite popular right now...

      Over the past monthy or so, I have seen at least 3 WSOs where people have offered intensive training in a specific area, such as list building or backlinking and at a very low price, maybe less than $10 for 5-10 rapid fire webinars.

      Again, the interaction is somewhat distant in these, having just Q&A interaction on the webinars through text or perhaps within a Skype Group in some instances.

      Of course, at less than $10 per student and with maybe 1000+ people enrolling, the interaction just couldn't get in depth or personal but how do people feel about this sort of training?

      I personally find it very difficult to commit to a series of rapid fire webinars and often lose interest also as the first 2 or 3 tend to be 'setting the scene' (or padding).

      It would be interesting to hear what people think of this sort of offering and whether anyone actually gained any value from these (which at $5-$15 would be hard not to I guess). Maybe put the low price to one side and think of the cost in terms of your own time commitment and whether attending these webinar sessions gave value for money in that context, bearing in mind that these are still a-z journeys and not tailored in any way.

      Ok, let's see where this takes us now and thanks in advance for your comments.

      Tony
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  • Profile picture of the author marketerpro
    iT may be that you're only looking at the extremes: big mentor/big price or very cheap group mentoring webinars. I think something in the middle may be better.

    I've considered paying $200+ for a few calls a month for certain niche information. But only from a proven expert and only in small groups, not 1,000 people on the call.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anton Nadilo
    Tony,

    Great post Tony...some really insightful thoughts on mentoring.

    Like yourself, I have been on a number of mentoring programme that have failed to deliver and have left many members unhappy and quite angry at the broken promises and false claims made by the vendor.

    How can anyone offer a true mentoring programme to more than say 100 people? I don't care which technology you use it is simply not possible to provide personal one-to-one mentoring for this many people. And VA's and Support Deaks....arghhh!! I didn't pay for a VA or Support Desk based in the Phillipines to answer my questions - I paid for the guy/gal promoting the offer!! At $10 bucks YES....and higher price levels...NO WAY!

    From my perspective I would be happy to pay up to say $500 for personal one-to-one mentoring BUT only if the group was limited to say 20-40 people. Is that an ideal number from other perspective or expectations??

    Cheers

    Anton
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    Rooze puts it best. A mentor is someone who works with you one on one, helps identify strengths and weaknesses, and aids you in becoming the best you can possibly be at the given task.

    One mentor trying to teach a large group? That is better termed as a "class".
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