How much $$ are you guys averaging?

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I was just wandering how much money you guys are averaging per month, per subscribers you have on your list. Whats the size of your list and how much did you make. I know a lot of factors very this figure, but I just wanted to know what others are averaging.

Example would be say i have 1000 subscribers and i make 1000 last month. That you per a dollar per month per subscriber.

Or I have a list of 4000 and I made 1000 with that list, Then I averaged .25 cents per subscriber.
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    • Profile picture of the author corygoose
      I don't need to know the size of peoples lists. Just what their averaging per subscriber..
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by corygoose View Post

        I don't need to know the size of peoples lists. Just what their averaging per subscriber..
        I'm struggling to envisage how this can possibly tell you anything helpful or meaningful or even interesting.

        If I tell you that I average $0.50 per subscriber per month, you don't know whether I've lovingly spent a fortune on building up a list of 1,000 people over 3 years, which would make me useless, or whether I regularly opt in 5,000 new people per month, every month, from free traffic sources, which would be a whole different story. And if I tell you that I average $5 per subscriber per month, you still don't know either of those things.

        My list might be people interested in cauliflower soup recipes, or it might be people potentially interested in co-ownership of Lear jets.

        You have no way of interpreting the information you're asking for.

        Especially not without knowing my expenses, if any.

        I can understand someone wanting to know how much money, in total, people are earning as profit, per month, from their IM businesses, and what they had to learn and do, to produce and maintain it, but how can what you're actually asking for help you, and why does it interest you? :confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author Dayne Dylan
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    There is no average.

    Some people may have a list of 10,000 people that makes just as much as a person that has a list of only 1000.
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  • Profile picture of the author Douggie
    Yeah quality varies massively. Some people with lists of a few thousand can make more than people will lists in the tens of thousands if their leads are quality enough.
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  • Profile picture of the author corygoose
    I know the quality of the list is the biggest factor. That's why i'm asking to see if i need better quality leads for my list.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      The questions you've asked won't give you the answer you are looking for since everyone is offering different priced products and services which is a huge differing and significant factor.

      What are you selling?
      What prices have you set?
      What size is your list?
      How much are you making?

      Answer those yourself and we can provide guidance. That way everyone is a winner and we all don't have to show what colour underpants we are wearing.


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    • Profile picture of the author RyanJohnson
      Originally Posted by corygoose View Post

      I know the quality of the list is the biggest factor. That's why i'm asking to see if i need better quality leads for my list.
      the answer is "yes".... you always strive for better quality leads. Even if I am making $10 per subscriber... If I can make that $12, I should. Radical point, but illustrates the meaning.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanmilligan
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    People say you should make $1 per subscriber.

    But that's garbage, there is never a 'should'. The only way to be sure is to test, try, test, try and then test again.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    As a list builder myself I agree with alexa.

    I do not need to tell you how much money I make, but as a full time marketer, the I can say the more time you spend on your business and nurturing you list the better you will do in the long run.

    Again, it comes down to a list of freebie seekers, and a list of buyers.

    If someone said to me hey... do you want a list of 1000 freebie seekers or do you want a list of 100 buyers. I would gladly take the 100 buyers. Because in my business I know how powerful the list of buyers are, and how much more money those 100 people can make me.

    Infact these days, my sales funnels I make others build a list of buyers for me. They do the hard work and I get the rewards. Its alot harder than it sounds, but hard work is what helps you PROFIT online. I can ensure you of that.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      As a rather prolific builder of lists myself, I agree with Daniel, Dayne, Douggie, Ryan, Alexa and celente. My lists consists of only active buyers; non-buyers are unceremoniously culled within any 90-day period of inactivity. Since non-buyers are eliminated, monthly average subscriber sales are distorted into a sharp upward curve.
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      • Profile picture of the author Cool Hand Luke
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke View Post

          I would LOVE to know more about this...I recently started a list-building strategy that targets those who haven't bought anything yet. I have been racking up people who opt in for a free product but they are, exactly as one would expect, significantly less responsive than my lists of buyers.

          Would you be so kind as to share how you remove them off your list after a certain amount of inactivity? Thanks in advance.

          I believe all of the major commercial autoresponders have similar variations of this functionality, although I use self-hosted software on a dedicated server. Buyers are always incentivized after every purchase to claim a relevant free "bonus" which requires them to enter their subscriber email address after a successful transaction for the download link.

          Monthly reports flag these buyer lists against subscriber lists, and any "unflagged" subscriber for three months in a row is marked for deletion. The process for deletion is sometimes done manually for verification that the system is working properly. You may want to look in your provider's tutorial or help desk for specific set up instructions.
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          • Profile picture of the author Cool Hand Luke
            Originally Posted by myob View Post

            I believe all of the major commercial autoresponders have similar variations of this functionality, although I use self-hosted software on a dedicated server. Buyers are always incentivized after every purchase to claim a relevant free "bonus" which requires them to enter their subscriber email address after a successful transaction for the download link.

            Monthly reports flag these buyer lists against subscriber lists, and any "unflagged" subscriber for three months in a row is marked for deletion. The process for deletion is sometimes done manually for verification that the system is working properly. You may want to look in your provider's tutorial or help desk for specific set up instructions.
            Thanks for the response. I use GetResponse as my autoresponder service and after a quick check it seems that this is just one of those capabilities my account has that I was unaware of. I will definitely be putting it into use as my lists are growing very rapidly and I need a way to sort out prospects from non-prospects. Cheers and thanks again.
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            • Profile picture of the author erikaawakening
              I agree with the people here who said it probably won't help you to know. I also agree that size of list doesn't seem to have much to do with how much you make. My list is not very big but because I have learned how to facilitate investment and commitment, my income per lead is quite high. Last year I think it was around $150 per lead (there are a few variables that could make this a bit higher or lower). By comparison I heard of someone with a list 50 times bigger who only made about $10 per lead.

              The beauty of cultivating investment and commitment is that it also helps your customers. At least in my line of work, which is transformational coaching and products. Because the more focused their attention is, the better results they are going to get. And the more concentrated their investment is, the more focused their attention usually is.

              I'm also pretty open about my life (have cleared my shame and fear about this with my coaching method) so I'll tell you that my list is quite small, less than 2000 email addresses and I've already made over $100k this year. So really the quality that you bring to your business matters more than your quantity. And frankly I think quantity can sometimes dilute and dissipate your efforts rather than help you in any way.
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          • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
            Originally Posted by myob View Post

            I believe all of the major commercial autoresponders have similar variations of this functionality, although I use self-hosted software on a dedicated server. Buyers are always incentivized after every purchase to claim a relevant free "bonus" which requires them to enter their subscriber email address after a successful transaction for the download link.

            Monthly reports flag these buyer lists against subscriber lists, and any "unflagged" subscriber for three months in a row is marked for deletion. The process for deletion is sometimes done manually for verification that the system is working properly. You may want to look in your provider's tutorial or help desk for specific set up instructions.
            I had a hunch it would be done this way. However, I have a couple of questions:

            a) How do they have access to the page where they enter their email address in exchange for the download link? Did you arrange something with the vendor (so the page appears immediately after the purchase), or do you just say: "Hey, after you've purchased it, head over to www.exampledomain.com/freebonus, and enter your email to receive the free bonus"?

            I presume you send the download link via the autoresponder service, in an email, so that they don't enter a bogus email address to get access directly to the download page.

            b) What happens if a buyer is not interested in the freebie? Do you lose him because he didn't enter his email address to receive the email containing the download link?
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            • Profile picture of the author myob
              Originally Posted by canyon View Post

              a) How do they have access to the page where they enter their email address in exchange for the download link? Did you arrange something with the vendor (so the page appears immediately after the purchase), or do you just say: "Hey, after you've purchased it, head over to www.exampledomain.com/freebonus, and enter your email to receive the free bonus"?

              I presume you send the download link via the autoresponder service, in an email, so that they don't enter a bogus email address to get access directly to the download page.
              Instructions for obtaining the bonus after purchase are given in the email promotion itself as well as on all of the product presell pages. To keep it simple, they can use any email address (or a fake one) to get the bonus because they are automatically forwarded to the download page after entering the info. It would add too much overhead to deliver the download link separately by email. Of course, if their subscriber email is not used for obtaining the bonus, the system will not recognize it as a buyer and they will take a hit (1 out of 3) for possible deletion from the subscriber database.

              Originally Posted by canyon View Post

              b) What happens if a buyer is not interested in the freebie? Do you lose him because he didn't enter his email address to receive the email containing the download link?
              If the buyer is not interested in getting the freebie one or two months in a row, this will not trigger a flag for deletion. However, three months in a row of not wanting a freebie, the subscriber will be seen as inactive and subsequently eliminated. In my viewpoint, this is most likely not a prospect anyway for future sales. It's certainly not a fool-proof system, as there may be occasions where subscribers are inadvertently deleted. But the benefits of keeping clean lists of active buyers far outweighs the downside of losing a few potential sales.
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              • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
                Originally Posted by myob View Post

                If the buyer is not interested in getting the freebie one or two months in a row, this will not trigger a flag for deletion.
                But how does the system know not to trigger a flag for deletion, since he doesn't know who's the buyer, because he didn't enter the email address anywhere, except on the payment page, and the details are sent only to the vendor?

                Let's say I bought the weight loss product you promote, but I'm not interested in the freebie that talks about how to sleep/rest (just as an example). I might still be interested in buying stuff from you later on, but maybe this freebie is not cogent to me.

                Also, don't you fear that people buying stuff through other affiliate links might come and vindicate the free bonus?
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                • Profile picture of the author myob
                  Originally Posted by canyon View Post

                  But how does the system know not to trigger a flag for deletion, since he doesn't know who's the buyer, because he didn't enter the email address anywhere, except on the payment page, and the details are sent only to the vendor?

                  Let's say I bought the weight loss product you promote, but I'm not interested in the freebie that talks about how to sleep/rest (just as an example). I might still be interested in buying stuff from you later on, but maybe this freebie is not cogent to me.
                  In this system, missing one bonus would not mark a subscriber for deletion. There is a potential downside of this system as explained earlier (in post #14), but not shown to really be a problem to warrant another layer of complexity. My customers appear to always use their subscriber emails to obtain after-purchase bonuses, which serves as an indicator of buyer activity. The list of emails for bonus redemption is matched with the subscriber database each month, and the ones who have not redeemed any bonus over a three month period are marked for deletion. Theoretically, deleted subscribers may indeed include actual buyers who either have not redeemed their bonus or used another email for three months in a row. In practice however, such occurences appear to be non-existent. Discrepencies would show up as a greater number of product sales over bonuses redeemed, which has not been the case so far.

                  Originally Posted by canyon View Post

                  Also, don't you fear that people buying stuff through other affiliate links might come and vindicate the free bonus?
                  That possibility certainly exists, but bonus redemption pages are tagged with [no index, no follow] and filenames consists of long alphanumeric characters. Even if someone could find these bonus pages, they are always more than welcome to subscribe from the highly incentivized opt-in form inside - or buy other fantastic Clickbank and Amazon products from the internal affiliate link promotions.
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    • Profile picture of the author aaronlovesshel
      Originally Posted by celente View Post

      As a list builder myself I agree with alexa.

      I do not need to tell you how much money I make, but as a full time marketer, the I can say the more time you spend on your business and nurturing you list the better you will do in the long run.

      Again, it comes down to a list of freebie seekers, and a list of buyers.

      If someone said to me hey... do you want a list of 1000 freebie seekers or do you want a list of 100 buyers. I would gladly take the 100 buyers. Because in my business I know how powerful the list of buyers are, and how much more money those 100 people can make me.

      Infact these days, my sales funnels I make others build a list of buyers for me. They do the hard work and I get the rewards. Its alot harder than it sounds, but hard work is what helps you PROFIT online. I can ensure you of that.
      Celente,

      would you mind providing more clarity in regard to your last paragraph. I am not sure if I understand correctly what you are saying.

      thanks in advance
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  • Profile picture of the author smartiewriter
    It's hard to say. I have some niches that average much better than others. I've never actually added all the niches together and did an overall average. That might be interesting to do at some point.
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  • Profile picture of the author rohitreddy
    That actually depends on quality of subscribers...I may get 1$ for subscriber if it is a buyer's list..I have a small though..and 0.25$ per subsciber from freebie list..
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  • Profile picture of the author noah.whitmore
    There is an unsurprising amount of non-information going on in this thread. The OP asked some pretty straightforward questions and everyone seems to have responded with some basic open-ended answer...

    'Everyone's list is so different there is no average...'
    'I make different amounts with different lists...'
    'A bigger list isn't necessarily better...'

    This thread sounds like a crappy PLR article.

    *EDIT*
    While I was writing this, rohitreddy and erikaawakening decided to actually answer the OP's question. Neat concept and I appreciate their input.
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  • Profile picture of the author SARahman
    I don't do lists. I am so new to this industry that don't know the power of it yet. But still when I lost my 9~5 job and came here for help four months ago, I set myself a target of $500 per month.

    I spent many nights reading and testing different things (free and paid both) and after to month received my first check of $365.

    Past week I received another check of $642 and I am expecting another soon enough, $780 so far in the account.

    So I can say my current average income per month is $500. And I am putting more effort to increase my income from IM. I have been blessed to have some good courses that has been making me money, daily.

    Wish me good luck,

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  • Profile picture of the author paul nicholls
    if you want to see if people are the real deal then get there wf name and plug it into the warrior plus, this should tell you a lot as it tells you what products they have released and if they sold well

    also if you pay attention to the stats in the warrior plus section you will notice that a lot of guys give 100% commission on the front end. Some then make some money back on the back end

    but even if they dont make much money out if it, they are getting a list of buyers sent to them for absolutely free

    this is how people are able to build there business without driving traffic themselves

    wso`s are not the only place where they may have products and using this method, you have other vendors such as clickbank, jvzoo, digi results etc

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  • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
    "Excuse me, can someone tell me how to make money online?"

    ^ This one you can get away with - most people will sympathize how difficult it is to start making money online. Or at least find an avenue that works for you.

    "Excuse me, can you tell me how much money you make?"

    ^ Why?

    Even if I tell you an average what good will it do?

    You want to know if it is REAL?

    Well look at it this way...

    Have a look at the WSO board, you see stuff selling right?

    Then have a look at ALL the people that post with a link in their sig - they must be getting traffic right?

    Hungry Niche > Traffic > Solid Offer > Sales

    And that is JUST on this forum!

    So Yes, people are making money online and lots of it.

    Some more than others.

    My point is it WORKS and you SHOULD build a list.

    Hope this helps.

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  • Profile picture of the author Exel
    The question is meaningless but is completely understandable. People ask it usually
    seeking for some sort of encouragement or verification that the system works. "If you
    can do it, I can do it" type of thinking.
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  • Profile picture of the author LBspeaks
    Enough...

    That's my answer
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  • Profile picture of the author adrwcav
    It would deff help if you provided a certain "niche"
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    • Profile picture of the author magnd
      Lists on different niches are monetized with different offers. Even those in the same niche can not exactly bring the same income. Hence I will saw the amount depends on the monetization strategy adopted. Just started with my first, but i still want to put a lot of value to providing value which I am sure will sky rocket the conversions when it starts coming.
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  • Profile picture of the author FredJones
    No point in "wandering"/wondering.

    It varies person to person. It depends on your niche and market. It depends upon the nature your subscribers that you managed to hook up (could be because of the way you got them). It depends upon the expectation you create among them.

    And since you are looking for a broad answer, I don't know what you are going to do with this. If I give you my number, it is unlikely to apply to you to be really honest. Simply do the best that you can, and enjoy your rewards. And keep trying to improve by testing and tweaking all the time.

    Originally Posted by corygoose View Post

    I was just wandering how much money you guys are averaging per month, per subscribers you have on your list. Whats the size of your list and how much did you make. I know a lot of factors very this figure, but I just wanted to know what others are averaging.

    Example would be say i have 1000 subscribers and i make 1000 last month. That you per a dollar per month per subscriber.

    Or I have a list of 4000 and I made 1000 with that list, Then I averaged .25 cents per subscriber.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    The average per subscriber does not really matter. What matters is that the income from the list is greater than the cost of the list.
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  • Profile picture of the author SeoKnightsInc
    I am new to list building and currently had not used my list even once but i am getting about 1200$ per month from adsense.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cataclysm1987
    I am usually above the average, but my lists are pretty small so it balances out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
    Hmm, I get the point. I think you are referring to people already on the "buyer list", so that's why they aren't marked for deletion. So I think the first freebie must be very relevant to all the buyers, just to get them on the other side, the buyers' side.

    Do they know that if they don't buy something from you over a period of time, they'll stop receiving your emails? Or do you just shut down after a period ?
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by canyon View Post

      Hmm, I get the point. I think you are referring to people already on the "buyer list", so that's why they aren't marked for deletion. So I think the first freebie must be very relevant to all the buyers, just to get them on the other side, the buyers' side.

      Do they know that if they don't buy something from you over a period of time, they'll stop receiving your emails? Or do you just shut down after a period ?

      Actually all of my lists begin as buyers of inexpensive, incentivized Clickbank products in dozens of niches. And in my experience, if someone doesn't buy again after three months of getting hammered daily, it's a fairly solid indicator they may not soon make another purchase, if ever. So under the circumstances, sudden deletion is perhaps a relief for all.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    Well how much I make now isn't as important as how much I was making 6 months ago when I first came to these forums.

    I was making exactly $250 a week working fulltime (cashier), slowly sinking away into an abyss of poverty, depression and anxiety.

    Warriorforum although a lot of people trash it, still proved to be a more than valuable resource for me, as now I average around $900-$1200 a week. I have changed my occupation from full time cashier with BA in psychology, to part time marketer with BA in psychology lol.

    It just makes a lot more sense the latter, I'm actually using what I learned in school now, and all I needed was a bit of direction and education from the bigger dogs on this forum. I've managed to create 1 fairly successful stream of income, that takes a lot of work to maintain, and now I have a second new stream of income just coming in, thats very low maintenance. So I will eventually be ditching the first for the latter. then scaling that up, and maybe I'll be up to $1500 a week some time soon. All I can do is keep at it and keep working as smart as I possibly can.
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  • Profile picture of the author dv8domainsDotCom
    I might be taking the wrong approach to list building. I only has 3 people on my list (but, shhhh I tell them I have about 30,000, and that they are all responsive).

    This builds authority!

    Then, I send out an offer about something that made me like a bajillion dollars yesterday, and that they must have missed it because the rest of the 30,000 is buying it like hotcakes! WILDFIRE I tell you!

    (earnings screenshot)

    Then, I send a followup email that says "Woops, I sent you wrong link" and "You better get on this FAST".

    And then these 3 people see all the success my other list members are having, and they jump on too.

    And, as soon as I see the affiliate sale, I switch gears; keep it interesting, ya know? Tell them that I found a BETTER way to do it, and this program is CHEAPER (OMG OMG $7.77!!! Can you Believe it!)! Here's the link: blehblehbleh CLICK HERE (It's a steal!)! And that the rest of my subscribers are already on board and raking in the KAYASH! Like you wouldn't believe!

    (screenshot of 'testimonials')

    Then, give it about a week; after they've bought THAT program (this is a VERY responsive list of 3...) I'm super excited because my conversion rate is like 600% by now. It's INSANE.

    And I've made like 13 bucks in affiliate sales already!

    So, I send ANOTHER Email, but see, here's the thing: The last product I mentioned provided great value for the money, but didn't paint the whole picture. It was pretty cheap, after all, so you might expect that it doesn't have everything; But I've found something BETTER! I put it in my toilet this morning and out came 30 TRILLION dollars.

    God's honest truth: Here's a screenshot.

    In fact, I settled the federal deficit, single handedly. Here's a Screenshot of a signed letter from President Wahorschnak expressing the nation's gratitude.

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    Here's the LINK: (GET IT NOW) It's a little bit more costly, but here's the thing: it's packed full of KNOWLEDGE and well worth the cost.

    Oh, and also, don't forget that you are ALREADY BEHIND because my other subscribers (ROFL) bought this yesterday.

    Stay subscribed, because I provide SO MUCH VALUE to my list. 30,000 subscribers can't be wrong, right? More to come soon!

    I love my list.

    Also, for the OP: I don't care what other people are earning; they won't share it anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author thinktwice
    People are making 10$ per month. Other are making 10$ per day.

    People working full time *must* do 100$/day... otherwise I don't see the point.

    So start fixing yourself short-term, mid-term and long-term objectives.

    There are not limits. I know ppl doing 50,000$ per month without working much.
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  • Profile picture of the author koz
    How long is a piece of string.

    Let's say you have a list of people related to stocks and another for condoms. You have 10k in each list. Now let us imagine that they both are as responsive as each other. Which would make more money?

    Again... how long is a piece of string...
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