Internet Marketing now being taught in universities :)

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Full Sail University

for me, it might be much better for people to join warrior forum for 3 months instead of joining a school for 12 months and not learn a bit.

What are your thoughts?
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  • Profile picture of the author Social App Zone
    Originally Posted by bobby_shahzad View Post

    Just wanted to share this interesting page

    Full Sail University

    for me, it might be much better for people to join warrior forum for 3 months instead of joining a school for 12 months and not learn a bit.

    What are your thoughts?
    A degree in Internet Marketing will be followed by a PHD in the Arts and unleashing endless books about Tarot Card reading on Amazon.com
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  • Profile picture of the author bransun
    I'm in Internet Marketing now and the teacher is horrible. I know more than him and he doesn't even teach about the REAL internet marketing such as adsense, SEO, keywords, etc. It's just a real bad class which is teaching kids the wrong directions of internet marketing. I swear half my class always raise their hands and say something along the lines of Facebook Fan Page as the solution to all their problems. I understand that it's one of the areas that does indeed help in internet marketing but let's be real there are definitely more criteria to be covered.... /endrant
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    • Profile picture of the author J Bold
      Originally Posted by bransun View Post

      I'm in Internet Marketing now and the teacher is horrible. I know more than him and he doesn't even teach about the REAL internet marketing such as adsense, SEO, keywords, etc. It's just a real bad class which is teaching kids the wrong directions of internet marketing. I swear half my class always raise their hands and say something along the lines of Facebook Fan Page as the solution to all their problems. I understand that it's one of the areas that does indeed help in internet marketing but let's be real there are definitely more criteria to be covered.... /endrant

      Wow, seriously? And how much are you paying for your degree?
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  • Profile picture of the author johntan17
    Originally Posted by bransun View Post

    I'm in Internet Marketing now and the teacher is horrible. I know more than him and he doesn't even teach about the REAL internet marketing such as adsense, SEO, keywords, etc. It's just a real bad class which is teaching kids the wrong directions of internet marketing. I swear half my class always raise their hands and say something along the lines of Facebook Fan Page as the solution to all their problems. I understand that it's one of the areas that does indeed help in internet marketing but let's be real there are definitely more criteria to be covered.... /endrant
    A university lecturer with a PHD in Internet Marketing will never be a good Internet Marketer. He can only teach the theories and concepts from the textbooks but if you ask him to apply the theories and concepts to set up his own business, he would not make it. Why would he want to teach if he can generate autopilot income from Internet Marketing?
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    • Profile picture of the author bbjumpman
      Originally Posted by johntan17 View Post

      A university lecturer with a PHD in Internet Marketing will never be a good Internet Marketer. He can only teach the theories and concepts from the textbooks but if you ask him to apply the theories and concepts to set up his own business, he would not make it. Why would he want to teach if he can generate autopilot income from Internet Marketing?
      I have my masters in electrical engineering and the same could be said about university PHD's in other fields too
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      • Profile picture of the author cjreynolds
        My first exposure to IM was through a course at one of the local community colleges in 2001 (I procrastinated for several years after that before actually starting with IM).

        The instructor knew what he was talking about, but teaching wasn't his livelyhood - he owned a multi-million dollar software company and also did IM. He just taught several programming courses as kind of a favor to the school district (sharing knowledge, giving back to the community, etc.), and IM was one of his pet subjects, so he devoted a semester to it. It was all about building an authority site and a list. I think we would've made money, but there were motivation problems (sound familiar?).

        But for the most part, I agree with most of y'all - it would be hard for a person working strictly in academia to keep a handle on the latest developments in IM - kinda like business courses - they teach you what you need to know - kinda... You never know how little you know till you take it out to the real world.
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  • Profile picture of the author SpiderZq
    haha how a teacher can teach this in 6/12months? even a persons that are in IM field from 6/7years says they know nothing and still learning.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mohsin Rasool
    Good that they are doing it. At least this will formalize our trade and industry...at least that will tell masses that IM is not always about some illegal stuff selling online.. LOL...
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  • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
    Hahaaha!

    Here is the thing: IM at it's core is direct marketing.

    Direct Marketing at it's core is not politically correct (Heck, even AWAI can't teach you the complete truth about copywriting.)

    Therefore, since education must be politically correct, with an occasional giggle ("oh, I can't believe he just said that!") they are just going to put a bunch of B.S. into people's heads.

    At best, they can teach some of the mechanics - but that's not enough. It's all good though... let's see what happens!
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  • Profile picture of the author ExpertSEOServices
    I can't believe they are teaching it in universities now. I am sure you would learn something but not sure what job opportunities it would open up to as Internet Marketing is pretty much building your own business model to become successful. I am pretty sure you can learn everything you need online for free but may be good for some people
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      • Profile picture of the author Weblover50
        Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke View Post

        Full Sail is NOT an actual university. Legitimate (read: accredited) universities do not offer a "Masters in Internet Marketing". :rolleyes:
        I too had the same impression when I took a look @ the site. But the rest of the site look legit. Online masters in IM in 12 months? Something is not right.
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      • Profile picture of the author Cataclysm1987
        Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke View Post

        Full Sail is NOT an actual university. Legitimate (read: accredited) universities do not offer a "Masters in Internet Marketing". :rolleyes:
        Full Sail is a high end private school with an online program they offer to some students. They are not one of those online only schools where you learn about stuff from the same level of accreditation as a barber shop school.

        They actually have world renowned game design, programming and audio production programs and have a pretty high tuition.

        This program is probably one of the exceptions to that. Since IM is so new, there is no way you can get someone to teach it to you for so cheap. You'd be better off paying Frank Kern 5 grand to coach you.


        Originally Posted by bransun View Post

        I'm in Internet Marketing now and the teacher is horrible. I know more than him and he doesn't even teach about the REAL internet marketing such as adsense, SEO, keywords, etc. It's just a real bad class which is teaching kids the wrong directions of internet marketing. I swear half my class always raise their hands and say something along the lines of Facebook Fan Page as the solution to all their problems. I understand that it's one of the areas that does indeed help in internet marketing but let's be real there are definitely more criteria to be covered.... /endrant
        This is exactly the problem with universities.

        You pay top dollar to learn from second rate individuals, people who never succeeded in the real world so they ended up switching to education for a steady, secure job instead of real opportunity.

        I tend to think IM is not the only program like this, but definitely one of the most hilarious.
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        • Profile picture of the author SuperKing
          Its hard to believe that these universities will produce good IMarketers. Practical knowledge is more effective than theory and of course EXPERIENCE is a very good teacher.
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  • Profile picture of the author ghostrecon
    It's ridiculous, you can take 'eBusiness' and 'eCommerce' at some universities in Australia.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oliver Williams
    IM is the way of the future, the Internet us the greatest advertising medium of all time so it is only a matter of time before the rest of the world catches on.
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  • Profile picture of the author Exel
    Someone said not to let formal education interfere with your real education.

    You can have whatever degree you want, study it as long as you like, and I guarantee you,
    when you start really working, you will have no idea what to do.

    People study for five, six or more years to be doctors, lawyers and so on, and when
    they finish they have no idea how to do the job. It takes years of experience of actually
    doing it, to learn it and get good at it.

    The only real way to learn something is to do it yourself, and do it over and over again.
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    Soon we'll start seeing courses on Facebook, Twitter and Google Marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Lawless
    Hi bobby,

    I agree with you. Though teaching Internet Marketing in Universities does sound good I believe the best way to learn Internet Marketing is through the tons of trials and errors that you have to undergo. I mean, there is no BEST way to do Internet Marketing. Yes there are many methods out there but at the end of the day it will mainly be about YOU, how you improve yourself and how your market your brand.

    Ive known top internet marketing coaches like Bob Yeager who taught himself on how to become an effective internet marketer from being flat broke. It all happened when his wife bought him a laptop that he didn't even know how to use. My point is, he didn't enroll into a fancy internet marketing course, the way he learned internet marketing is by connecting with people who are good at it. Just like what we are doing in Warrior forum right now.

    Simply put, you can't easily put internet marketing into a textbook or a curriculum that easily because the world of Internet Marketing is rapidly changing every now and then.

    Just my thoughts,

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    • Profile picture of the author bobby_shahzad
      I totally agree with you here. I think internet marketing can not be taught in schools. This knowledge passes from man to man and you get better at it as you take action and do things. It is all about learning methods. On wso every one is selling one method that worked for him/her and that becomes a business model for him and he sells it to others. Also novelty is a prime characteristic of IM. Things keep changing every now and then in IM and you have to keep up or you are out

      Originally Posted by Nick Lawless View Post

      Hi bobby,

      I agree with you. Though teaching Internet Marketing in Universities does sound good I believe the best way to learn Internet Marketing is through the tons of trials and errors that you have to undergo. I mean, there is no BEST way to do Internet Marketing. Yes there are many methods out there but at the end of the day it will mainly be about YOU, how you improve yourself and how your market your brand.

      Ive known top internet marketing coaches like Bob Yeager who taught himself on how to become an effective internet marketer from being flat broke. It all happened when his wife bought him a laptop that he didn't even know how to use. My point is, he didn't enroll into a fancy internet marketing course, the way he learned internet marketing is by connecting with people who are good at it. Just like what we are doing in Warrior forum right now.

      Simply put, you can't easily put internet marketing into a textbook or a curriculum that easily because the world of Internet Marketing is rapidly changing every now and then.

      Just my thoughts,

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  • Profile picture of the author Noel Cunningham
    There's an advert on the radio over here about a similar course in a college in Dublin. Some of the stuff in the syllabus was very basic....I'd prefer to save the fee and just spend my time in here or invest in the war room and run wild with all the information.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tadresources
    IM seems to me to be something that is ever evolving. I can't see how someone sitting behind a professors desk could accurately teach someone everything they need to know.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ashish Poonia
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    Originally Posted by bobby_shahzad View Post

    Just wanted to share this interesting page

    Full Sail University

    for me, it might be much better for people to join warrior forum for 3 months instead of joining a school for 12 months and not learn a bit.

    What are your thoughts?
    Warrior forum is better and i would say its the best.
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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    Yeah... I think it should be like 1-2 classes as part of a marketing degree curriculum, but not an entire degree.

    IM is changing WAY too fast for university classes to keep up. Maybe they can teach the fundamentals, but that's why it'd just be a class instead of a 4 year degree.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mbullard
    I am affiliated with the Internet Marketing Training Center. I've provided content for the curriculum as well as set up student accounts, quizzes, lessons, etc. This school is unique in the fact that it is the only school dedicated to Internet Marketing. Currently, the school is licensed in the state of Virginia as a vocational school. That means, we can't offer degrees yet, but we can offer certification. Accreditation coming soon. The school must be established for more than 2 years. Full Sail Can easily add an Internet Marketing Program to it's massive catalog and offer degrees right out the gate.

    We researched Full Sail's program while developing IMTC's. Other than the large price, we noticed you still have to complete general education classes - such as english, history, etc. - in order to complete the program. IMTC does not require general education classes.

    As to the comment about getting the same amount of information on Warrior Forum compared to enrollment, I can agree and disagree. It really depends on what you want out of enrolling in any Internet Marketing program. If you want to learn how to market your or other's products and sell them online, either Warrior Forum or an Internet Marketing certification will provide you with that knowledge. However, if you want to get hired as an Internet Marketer, social media manager, etc. for a large corporation who do you think they are going to hire? The kid that learned it online or the kid that learned it online but has the certification/degree to go with it? Internet Marketing is already entering the corporate world. More and more businesses are trying to market online but they don't know how to do it and don't want to learn it so they hire somebody to do it.

    And yes, it is hard to keep up with changes online. But we try to keep the curriculum updated.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Lockwood
    This has been going on for a few years now. These programs are not aimed at people who want to run their own businesses but people who want regular jobs doing marketing, just like 30 years ago if you wanted to run a mail order business from home, you wouldn't have gone to college to get a marketing degree.
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    • Profile picture of the author Onora Oz
      Originally Posted by Chris Lockwood View Post

      This has been going on for a few years now. These programs are not aimed at people who want to run their own businesses but people who want regular jobs doing marketing, just like 30 years ago if you wanted to run a mail order business from home, you wouldn't have gone to college to get a marketing degree.
      I agree. They don't teach how to start an online business. They're just educating people to be "better" employees. You can hire them, outsource to them or better, you can sell to them
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Uni's in Portugal have been doing it for at least 3 years. Both private and public.... Anywayz... One of the classes was "How to create a Youtube video" and another one was "How to create a Flash website". LOL

    What a degree... poor fellas.
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    I've seen people complain about a $7 WSO being "too much."

    And some of these people may be in college paying $20,000 a year.

    What's the better deal?
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  • Profile picture of the author Barron
    Sounds like a waste of money to me. You learn Internet Marketing my trying, failing, trying again, failing again until it clicks and you're able to develop your own business. No amount of schooling can truly keep you updated with the fast evolving industry of Internet Marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author mizambar
    Originally Posted by bobby_shahzad View Post

    Just wanted to share this interesting page

    Full Sail University

    for me, it might be much better for people to join warrior forum for 3 months instead of joining a school for 12 months and not learn a bit.

    What are your thoughts?
    WOW...that looks like a crappy degree.

    Complete waste of money and time.

    They don't include things like list building, writing content that get's people attention, monetization. You know, the things that ACTUALLY can be used to build a business.

    I agree with what most people say here. Spend a few months learning from the people here. That's the best education you can get.
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  • Profile picture of the author Curtis2011
    Originally Posted by bobby_shahzad View Post

    Just wanted to share this interesting page

    Full Sail University

    for me, it might be much better for people to join warrior forum for 3 months instead of joining a school for 12 months and not learn a bit.

    What are your thoughts?
    Just as I was graduating about a year ago, I learned from a fellow student that she had participated in an Internet Marketing class.

    I sighed disappointingly because I didn't even know my school had that available! I would have jumped on it immediately if I had known about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author stephenwaldo
    Before dropping out of school I went around and talked to all the professors offering Internet-related classes to see if anything that sounded valuable (I would've stuck around a bit longer if there was)...Even then, I could tell they were all a joke. Even with stuff like Web Design, which was another class offered, people in the class told me about how it was just a bunch of worksheets with little-to-no actual application.

    That's when I knew college wasn't offering me anything, hence why I dropped out =)

    I think that with Internet marketing you'll almost always do better and learn more by teaching yourself outside of school. And to everybody that says the "big boys" will never hire you over someone with "certification" or whatever, I have personal experience saying this is not the case - I've had more than one client choose me over a professional marketing company because I was (A) cheaper and (B) knew what I was talking about. When it comes down to brass tacks, most people can tell when you're an expert in something, degree or otherwise.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ray Wilson
    Haha, this is a complete laugh, but I admire the cleverness of those lecturers, who know a bit about making money.

    They know they cannot make money in real life in a niche, now they take the opportunity and teach their little-worth knowledge to other aspiring marketers. What a shame.

    Ah, but I honestly very much dislike the school system of today, because it could be drastically improved in a matter of months.

    -Ray
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  • Profile picture of the author Mohsin Rasool
    Here is fee per semester, yeah more than 10K per semester. And you have to buy some laptop also from the uni?!!!

    *The cost of Project LaunchBox – an Apple computer and software package – is not included in these tuition prices. This is an institutional fee that may vary from program to program. Computers for Game Development students may vary in make and model. Contact Full Sail’s Admissions Department for the most current pricing.
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    Hurrah for 10K i can have good holidays for whole year and do my testing in IM!

    Enjoy Warriors!
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    • Profile picture of the author bobby_shahzad
      Originally Posted by Mohsin Rasool View Post


      Hurrah for 10K i can have good holidays for whole year and do my testing in IM!

      Enjoy Warriors!
      Mohsin
      Mohsin,

      Since I am from pakistan too, i can understand how you can do whole 1 year holiday in 10k, otherwise it is impossible in countries like US and UK

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      • Profile picture of the author cashp0wer
        I personally think this is a waste of money and time. You can learn IM completely free on the Internet and in my opinion learn it much better.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Originally Posted by bobby_shahzad View Post

    Just wanted to share this interesting page

    Full Sail University

    for me, it might be much better for people to join warrior forum for 3 months instead of joining a school for 12 months and not learn a bit.

    What are your thoughts?
    I agree. But i bet many people are still signing up for this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cataclysm1987
    I wonder how one goes about being a teacher in such schools?

    I would have so much fun with those students. I'd basically throw out the textbook and simply say, hey, go create a website and set up an auto responder and we'll grade all your work live in class!

    They would actually learn something.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brandon19811
    I am glad they have a degree in it. There is a lot to know. There is also demand for people who know what they are doing. Any legitimate business needs people to develop their online presence. A lot of the books and tools you buy online are trash. The degree should create some checks and balances.
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  • Profile picture of the author HorseStall
    I think it would be difficult to learn IM at a University because it changes so quickly Universities are unable to adapt the curriculum to compensate for current trends etc... they have too much red tape to go through for changes.
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    I actually do teach certain aspects of IM at the college level. It is part of an overall entrepreneurial/ small business degree. My part is basically only 15 credit hours.

    Don't get so consumed with the affiliate marketing scenario that you limit internet marketing. We do not teach how to become an internet marketer. We teach "soon to be" marketers how to use the internet as a marketing tool.

    While the WF is a great tool, it is also a place of very conflicting opinions. Very easy for a new marketer to become confused as there is very seldom a standard set here.
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  • Profile picture of the author StevenJones
    That would just give us loads of competition.. or new prospects
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  • Profile picture of the author Fraser SellHealth
    This course will probably give you the basics if you are just starting out. BUT this game changes day by day , so it cant be that valuable.
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  • Profile picture of the author RySpencer
    I agree with you. I am not the conventional educational type. Every thing I have learned is self taught.

    You need to remember though, many people have probably wasted more than a years tuition on all the next "get rich quick" internet marketing courses out there and aren't anywhere because they fail to take action.

    Some people need structure and direction without distractions, and that is why school learning works for some, and not others (like myself!)
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  • Profile picture of the author stuff2
    I saw a mac for ever student on the site. I could not even fine how much it cost. I got tired looking. I would love to have those student that pay that kinda money I have tons of theory on my hd hack I would do it for a half the cost.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
      You almost wonder what's taking them so long, considering the Internet is the biggest thing going. Stands to reason how to market on the Internet would be the logical next step.

      It's still a mystery to most people on the planet, even to most who call themselves Internet Marketer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ryan Parker
    "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach."

    I would question the credibility of the professor. Has he been a successful Internet marketer himself? Does he have a track record for being successful in online ventures?

    Otherwise you're just wasting your time and there's nothing you can't learn on WF that you'll be able to learn from IM in University.
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    • Profile picture of the author Doctor Derp
      Originally Posted by Ryan Parker View Post

      "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach."

      I would question the credibility of the professor. Has he been a successful Internet marketer himself? Does he have a track record for being successful in online ventures?

      Otherwise you're just wasting your time and there's nothing you can't learn on WF that you'll be able to learn from IM in University.
      Yeah bro, same thing goes for most of the dip-****s that teach MBA programs today. Have they ever built a company from scratch? Than what the hell are they doing teaching a business course for?
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  • Profile picture of the author IMHunter
    This university "Full Sail University" have really bad reviews on the Internet. Just Google it and you will find tons of bad reviews. Maybe we could offer them Reputation Management.
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