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12 years ago

I think the guy should be taken out and shot. Or at least should have to undergo some symbolic version of a public execution.
Business owners are having to foot the bill for this type of activity. It still goes on in the PPC market and others.
It's stealing, plain and simple, and it makes my blood boil.

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loi77

12 years ago

This is definitely unethical. I believe he can't get away with this for too long.

My advice to you is Don't do it.

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Dann Vicker

12 years ago

One word, Don't. You'll have discovered you've wasted both your energy and time when your cpa company decides not to pay you because you've only sent horrible leads that won't convert at all.

They know all the tricks of the thread already. And they won't hesitate a second to give you the cold shoulder.

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OmarK

12 years ago

Yeah, I thought as much. I've actually emailed him today about this matter around 7 or so hours ago and haven't received a reply yet. I really wonder what he has to say about it.

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Adrian Int

12 years ago

He probably won't have anything to say about it.. :-P

It's a shame this sort of activity goes on - people only want to pay for results.
(excluding those who play the lottery, I suppose >_>)

We're all glad you had the integrity to decide not to perform this activity even though you knew something was fishy about it.

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BCRed

12 years ago

This isn't new
It isn't creative
It won't work for any amount of time on any network with even a mediocre fraud department.

It will get you a lifetime ban and industry black list.

If you want to scam networks, you'll need to be a whole lot more clever than this. I've seen some people successfully pull of scam methods for months before getting caught, but they were infinitely more advanced than this

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Frank Donovan 12 years ago

OmarK,

If you took to heart the Einstein quote in your sig, you wouldn't have needed to ask this question.
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R Hagel

12 years ago

Put yourself in the advertiser's shoes. How would you like doling out hundreds of dollars for crappy fake leads? You'd be PISSED, right?

Some day advertisers are going to stop running these kinds of CPA offers. And then there's going to be all these wide-eyed marketers wondering why...

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OmarK

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

OmarK,

If you took to heart the Einstein quote in your sig, you wouldn't have needed to ask this question.

Actually, that's the exact reason I asked this question. If it weren't for my commitment to putting value before money, I wouldn't have asked this question and would've done it straight away. I've only thought that there may have been something I've been missing and maybe, somehow, advertisers benefited from fake leads.

This quote is actually my favourite quote of all time. The only reason I'm doing any internet marketing at all in the first place is to gather enough money to fund for my future university in the UK which my parents can't currently afford. I'm planning to study Environmental Geoscience (was planning to study physics at first) and become an environmental scientist after I graduate, something many countries really lack of. One of the few strong reasons that's driving me to become an environmental scientist is because I WANT to be a valuable person towards the community, and I WANT to contribute to provide a better place to live in. I want all of this - value - less than I want success - money. And since I find that many people fail to realize that money isn't everything in the world and it's really how much you could do for your community that matters, I've decided to use this quote as the driving force for everything, and hopefully spread it around so that as many people could realize this as possible.

Sorry for the unnecessary banter btw

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Miriam Higginbotham

12 years ago

I think it is totally unethical. It is cheating and stealing in every form. Sooner or later this will catch up to the person doing this. He will get banned from CPA networks. It is really sad that people actually do this but even worse to create a report telling others how to defraud the networks. It makes us good marketers look bad. I am glad you realized that there was something very wrong with this and did not try it.

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Frank Donovan 12 years ago

Originally Posted by OmarK

The problem I found with this report is, the method *seems* to be very unethical, and I'm uncertain whether this would get you in trouble or not.

Originally Posted by OmarK

If it weren't for my commitment to putting value before money, I wouldn't have asked this question and would've done it straight away.

It's commendable that you want to create value.

Rather than wonder if you'd get into trouble with this method, perhaps, as Becky pointed out, you could ask yourself whether you'd be giving the advertisers (who are, indirectly, paying you for their leads) value for their money.

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Zack Lim

12 years ago

Gosh. This is downright very dishonest and unethical. I agree with your point on giving values first before talking about the money.

Sooner or later the network will just ban him for life. It is disgusting that he is even teaching people how to scam the network.

Consumers and merchants are getting smarter. Hope more changes will come that will weep out those who are not interested in giving values.

Zack

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OmarK

12 years ago

I did wonder that. Just because I've also wondered whether I'd get into trouble or not doesn't necessarily mean that's the only thing I was worried about. >_>

While I don't mean to start any arguments, please don't cross-examine every little intricate thing I post. I'm really not trying to pull one off, and I'm certainly not the bad guy that we're discussing here.

But without digressing from the main topic, is there anyway we can report this guy? Should I post the link to his squeeze page and where I found it? I'm hoping I wouldn't be breaking any rules by doing this.

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cdwyland

12 years ago

What is his website? Maybe we can try to get it deindexed,

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Bruce NewMedia

12 years ago

It is exactly guys like this that cause CPA networks to shave commissions and be suspicious of many affiliates. ...and my guess is the thief running the squeeze page and advocating the cheating doesn't care what other marketers think.

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travlinguy

12 years ago

Git a rope! It's fraud any way you look at it.

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bwh1

12 years ago

And there are people who wonder why IM'ers are a red flag for Google & Co..

Call it the way you wan't, stealing, fraud, robbing or tricking the system - it's illegal.

And if you where the company who's paying the "leads"?

G.

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WF99

12 years ago

Surely this is Unethical .. He will caught soon ..

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JD Ways

12 years ago

I've seen and heard about this scam since like forever!! Once he's busted, he'll just go on to the next network or email list or lead funnel because there are new marketers everyday that will stumble upon this and think it's gold!

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RyanLima

12 years ago

I recommend not trying this. You WILL get caught! Plus, this is poor mindset to have when it comes to making money online. whoever is doing this method or methods like this is basically STEALING. It's FRAUD!!

There are hundreds of easier ways to earn $135 per day that are ethical and LEGAL.

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Randall Magwood

12 years ago

Stuff like this wont last very long. This guy's end is coming soon.

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Jit Lim

12 years ago

These sort of things have been going on for a while now, you'll find a few offering services on the blackhat sites. Similar to paying someone to click on your Adsense ads. Basically its ripping off the Advertisers and causing problems for the CPA networks.

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cdwyland

12 years ago

So who was this guy?

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Des Lau

12 years ago

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

I wouldn't stoop that low

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JasonWestwick

12 years ago

We've all senn and heard of hirin freelancers to fill in CPA offers for you, it's a big NO NO, not only is it completely unethical but it is also illegal and it is your name and information that is going to be cracked down upon.

Best case scenario is that you make a litlle bit of money, none of your leads convert on the back end for the advertisers arousing suspicion, you are caught and banned from that network (an every other network as they talk)
Therefore cutting off a massive way to earn money online.

Worst case scenario (depending on the level of fraud) you are prosecuted.

Neither of these is a win/win for you, the network or the advertiser in the long run.

Here is what maxbounty has to say about it

From Maxbounty

"Over the past several weeks, we've seen a tremendous increase in the number of affiliates making use of freelancers and/or guaranteed lead services to generate leads through their affiliate account.

While the use of freelancers and/or guaranteed lead services may seem like an easy way to generate low cost leads, the reality is that these low cost leads are fraudulent and are being created using fake data and stolen identities.

These freelancers and/or guaranteed lead services are scammers who are taking advantage of inexperienced affiliates. They are requesting payment in advance for leads, then putting your affiliate account at risk of termination (and non-payment) by delivering these fraudulent leads.

If you are using freelancers and/or guaranteed lead services, PLEASE STOP IMMEDIATELY. You could find yourself in a situation where you have paid them for leads for which you will NOT be paid. In other words, you'll lose money.

I'd also ask that you spread the word about these freelancers and/or guaranteed lead services. Feel free to send this e-mail to your colleagues and/or post to your favourite message boards. Let's stop these scammers before they further victimize our industry."

Thanks to Steve from Maxbounty.

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MaxBounty

12 years ago

Originally Posted by JasonWestwick

We've all senn and heard of hirin freelancers to fill in CPA offers for you, it's a big NO NO, not only is it completely unethical but it is also illegal and it is your name and information that is going to be cracked down upon.

Best case scenario is that you make a litlle bit of money, none of your leads convert on the back end for the advertisers arousing suspicion, you are caught and banned from that network (an every other network as they talk)
Therefore cutting off a massive way to earn money online.

Worst case scenario (depending on the level of fraud) you are prosecuted.

Neither of these is a win/win for you, the network or the advertiser in the long run.

Here is what maxbounty has to say about it

From Maxbounty

"Over the past several weeks, we've seen a tremendous increase in the number of affiliates making use of freelancers and/or guaranteed lead services to generate leads through their affiliate account.

While the use of freelancers and/or guaranteed lead services may seem like an easy way to generate low cost leads, the reality is that these low cost leads are fraudulent and are being created using fake data and stolen identities.

These freelancers and/or guaranteed lead services are scammers who are taking advantage of inexperienced affiliates. They are requesting payment in advance for leads, then putting your affiliate account at risk of termination (and non-payment) by delivering these fraudulent leads.

If you are using freelancers and/or guaranteed lead services, PLEASE STOP IMMEDIATELY. You could find yourself in a situation where you have paid them for leads for which you will NOT be paid. In other words, you'll lose money.

I'd also ask that you spread the word about these freelancers and/or guaranteed lead services. Feel free to send this e-mail to your colleagues and/or post to your favourite message boards. Let's stop these scammers before they further victimize our industry."

Thanks to Steve from Maxbounty.

Thank you Jason for sharing this. I was just about to respond to this thread but your response along with Steve's quotation was perfect.

Spreading the word about scams such as these is so important. If a method/JV/service sounds too good to be true, it is.

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Rashell

12 years ago

You should consider removing yourself from his list too. Personally, I like to stay on lists like these. It's a learning experience of what type of skeezy things I'll have to protect myself, my friends, my business, social interactions, etc. from.

It's amazing what types of things people will come up with. And worse how they'll actually proclaim it's legitimacy till they're blue in the face. All the while common sense and consideration tells normal people it's unethical.

I wouldn't be surprised if the guy doesn't do this strategy at all. All he needs is a few suckers who try it, make a couple of quick $$, begin to think he's genius, then subsequently continue to buy more of his crap suggestions. The rabbit hole will cave in eventually but it won't be on him.

Rashell

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OmarK

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Rashell

You should consider removing yourself from his list too. Personally, I like to stay on lists like these. It's a learning experience of what type of skeezy things I'll have to protect myself, my friends, my business, social interactions, etc. from.

It's amazing what types of things people will come up with. And worse how they'll actually proclaim it's legitimacy till they're blue in the face. All the while common sense and consideration tells normal people it's unethical.

I wouldn't be surprised if the guy doesn't do this strategy at all. All he needs is a few suckers who try it, make a couple of quick $$, begin to think he's genius, then subsequently continue to buy more of his crap suggestions. The rabbit hole will cave in eventually but it won't be on him.

Rashell

Which is exactly why I really want to report him as soon as possible. Yet I'm still not sure if the strict rules here would allow me to.

You'd actually be surprised to know that he's actually a warrior among us and has made a number of successful(?) wso's himself!

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soboer

12 years ago

These fake leads are very easy to detect. If the advertiser doesn't make money on the backend than you have some explaining to do.
Imho you can only loose with these unethical methods.

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WebPen

12 years ago

Yeah this is DEFINITELY not new.

And while the less-careful guys get caught, these scammers and con artists are always coming up with new ways to cheat the system.

Bottom line is- it will make you money BUT there's a very good chance you'll get caught, you're cheating a company out of its money, and it makes you a leach to society.

Don't do it.

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atvking

12 years ago

giving away a "guarantee" on something that is given away for free is amusing in itself...and his "method" is old and will land you in trouble

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Robbie B

12 years ago

Never would I consider this approach. It's damaging someone's business. Doesn't matter who. There's no way fake leads can make you a return. It's unethical because it's stealing.

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adaxah

12 years ago

This is not a genuine method of getting money

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aaaa33030

12 years ago

Microworkers is filled with persons doing that with their cpa affiliate links and I'm making a big profit filling out the forms for them

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swriviera

11 years ago

It is the old adage of one bad apple ruins the whole batch. I like to think that there are more honest marketers than dishonest ones but the dishonest ones really make it harder for the ones who want to add value!!!

As I was reading your story I was thinking that you could write to the company to denounce him .... but, is there any way it could cause trouble for YOU??? I hope not. It is a shame to see something so blatantly detrimental to the very business you are in not do anything about it. But, will it so any good?? He will just create a new personality with with a proxy and all the tra la la and start all over again.
Don't you think so?
In the mean time it is very difficult for new people to get into the CPA networks because of people like him.

Good luck - let us know what you do with this!

Have a great day,

Sandra Walsh

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JohnMcCabe

11 years ago

Would it just "seem" unethical if I told you about a way to make 100% profit on your eBay business by simply shoplifting your merchandise?

How about a way to generate easy cash by going to fairs, carnivals and festivals? (Become a pickpocket.)

The method you describe isn't just unethical - it's fraud.

If you want opinions on the ethics of stealing, look in the mirror for the one that matters.

BTW, have you unsubscribed from his list yet?

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...it's VERY unethical!! (sorry for the hyped up title by the way :p)

Just in case you haven't read the entire title...

So I stumbled upon this squeeze page just last night that offered a free report which teaches you "how to pull to pull in at least 150$ everyday". I thought to myself 'not another hype' and was a split second away from clicking away... but what did grab my attention was the big bolded green word underneath the headline that said "GUARANTEED!"
Guaranteed? How can you guarantee money? Especially 150$ a day every day? Ofcourse, I became extremely intrigued and signed up for this free report in a heart beat, while promising myself to unsubscribe from his list if the report turned out to be yet another coalesce of rubbish claptrap and hogwash (trying my best not to swear here :p).

But what really interested was how the report was NOT in fact 'hogwash'! It was only a 7-page pdf, meaning it's a very quick read, and apparently it actually CAN get you 150$ a day! But before I allowed myself to get excited...

there was a catch...

The problem I found with this report is, the method *seems* to be very unethical, and I'm uncertain whether this would get you in trouble or not.

Basically, the guy (who never actually reveals his name on his website nor in the emails he sends) shows you a method of hiring 'workers' for dirt cheap money and instructing them to fill out CPA forms (he gives a dating site as an example), with each filled form earning you 5$. Since you pay about 15$ for 30 workers to fill out a form with 5$ payout, you profit 135$ every time without fail, hence the big bolded 'guaranteed' under his sales headline. But the problem is, this way we're just giving advertisers fake leads aren't we? These fake leads won't profit them in any way whatsoever, but we still get paid for driving these leads?

After looking at this guy's earnings screenshot, I can tell he's been at it for quite a long time, and I'm surprised no one's really stopping him. Is this method really okay to pull off? Are these 'fake' leads actually worthwhile to advertisers? Or is this method just entirely illegal altogether yet no one's really bothering to do something about it?

I guess it goes without saying why I should not mention where I found this report from or who this guy (or his "company's name") is, because it is against the rules of this forum to defame anyone no matter who he is.

So what's your take on this?

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JohnMcCabe

11 years ago

Originally Posted by rooze

I think the guy should be taken out and shot. Or at least should have to undergo some symbolic version of a public execution.
Business owners are having to foot the bill for this type of activity. It still goes on in the PPC market and others.
It's stealing, plain and simple, and it makes my blood boil.

Originally Posted by travlinguy

Git a rope! It's fraud any way you look at it.

To quote His Honor, George Shinn, Mayor of River City, Iowa circa 1912:

"If there are those, as I have heard, who are melting tar and collecting feathers, I shall not say them nay!"

(From Meredith Baxter's "The Music Man")

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Reno Van Boven

11 years ago

I run a CPA referral program myself and unfortunately, every month at payout, there are always a number of affiliates that have fallen for these kinds of "guaranteed sign ups", purchased leads or fake sign ups generated via sites such as Fiverr, microworkers and/or freelancers.

In the end, we do detect them but it causes a big headache, affiliates being terminated and their commission balance set to $0.00.

The only people who make money by generating CPA leads via these methods, are the freelancers.

It is fraud and should be considered similar as faking a purchase using fake credit card details.

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